(04-15-2021 07:13 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-14-2021 03:11 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-14-2021 10:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-14-2021 09:29 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Why argue with a buffoon?

Tell me, do you also believe this is what happened?

(01-26-2021 03:11 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Easy. The forensic audit turned up that 68% of the ballots scanned by that machine were rejected and went to adjudication. Adjudication is a manual process where the original ballots are sent to a single unmonitored workstation where an employee attempts to determine voter intent. That one unmonitored person then corrects the ballot, reprints the ballot corrected, and sends the original ballot to be destroyed.

Hint: It's all lies. I called him out on and he's yet to provide any source for this nonsense, yet alone man up for the lies he just pulled out of his ass.

One more time, reeeeeeeeeeBoy. The 68% number is what the forensic audit turned up, and the court agreed to release. (although some worked hard on it not getting released)

This is not what happened. The judge himself imposed a restriction on the release of the report as he wanted it reviewed before release. There was a court hearing in which he agreed to release the report with redactions of any personal information of those who actually conducted the audit and prepared the report. The only objections from the state were to those who were talking about the report before it was officially released in violation of the gag order and for the state to have a chance to review it before the lies and misinformation started. And the state withdrew their objections and agreed to the release.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/politic...537004002/

And again, the 68% "error" rate was not rejected ballots sent to adjudication as an expert who knows the difference between Minnesota and Michigan explains here:

Quote:Halderman's new analysis said Ramsland arrived at the 68% figure by examining the scanner log of a Nov. 6 re-scan of ballots in Central Lake Township, a township in Antrim County. The log included 15,676 lines with Ramsland classifying 10,667 as errors, equaling a 68% "error rate."

But the 68% finding is "meaningless," said Halderman, who is also co-chair of Michigan’s Election Security Advisory Commission. Scanning a single ballot produces multiple lines in the log, "often including many benign warnings or errors," he said.

"This means that the fraction of lines that are errors does not represent a fraction of ballots or votes, the entities for which an error rate would be relevant," Halderman said.

The professor included the image of log error notices and ballot "reversed" notices.

"The warning messages relate to benign instances where ballots did not feed into the scanner correctly and were ejected (“reversed”) for the voter to try again," Halderman wrote. "This is analogous to a vending machine returning a dollar bill that was inserted incorrectly."

Michigan expert debunks infamous report on Antrim County election as 'meaningless'

(04-14-2021 03:11 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  The next part is where I explained the dominion systems adjudication process. This was covered by affadavits which said in some of the locations that the adjudicators werent in the same room and were unmonitored by party officials.

And to your claim about adjudication...more on that later...again this partisan "audit" firm is ignorant of what actually happened in Antrim County as explained here by an expert who knows the difference between Minnesota and Michigan:

Quote:He also examined Ramsland's claim that a "staggering number of votes required adjudication," a suggestion that ballot selections could have been changed once they were in adjudication.

"There are several problems with this theory," Halderman said. "First, adjudication occurs after ballots are scanned and poll tapes are printed. In Antrim County, the final reported results match the poll tapes in essentially all cases. Therefore, the final results could not have been altered using adjudication."

In addition, the adjudication functionality was not enabled at all in Antrim County during the November 2020 election, and Antrim did not purchase the application, Halderman said.

"Far from a 'staggering number' of ballots being adjudicated, the actual number was zero," Halderman said. "Therefore, Mr. Ramsland’s theories are completely inapplicable to the incident in Antrim County."

Michigan expert debunks infamous report on Antrim County election as 'meaningless'

But go ahead...show me one affidavit for Antrim County......

(04-14-2021 03:11 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  One more time for you; the way dominion systems works is that you vote electronically, THEN your ballot is not counted. Instead it is printed out and scanned, which then counts the vote. If the scan doesnt work, it goes to adjuducation. In adjudication, someone determines voter intent, they then reselect the votes, and a new ballot is printed out and the old one is sent to be destroyed. This means the adjuducated vote will match in any recounts, because the original ballot no longer exists, but was replaced by the new ballot.

For absentee ballots, it works the same way, except that the electronic vote doesnt occur.

Okay, here's where this gets REALLY embarrassing for you. As the expert explained above, Antrim County...and most counties in Michigan...don't even use adjudication. So you really don't know how voting worked in Michigan, do you? Of course you don't...and you're talking out of your ass again.

I live in Michigan skippy...and here's a map of Michigan explaining what each county uses...and my county uses the exact same equipment as Antrim County as does most counties in Michigan.
https://michigan.maps.arcgis.com/apps/we...661b599c2f

And no, there is no printed ballot. Again, you're just making **** up. When you vote in Michigan in person in a Dominion County, you show your ID, fill out a card, and you're given a preprinted paper ballot that you fill out with a pen in bubbles, you know like the tests you took in school? Then YOU scan that ballot into the dominion tabulator machine. As the expert explained, the errors that this fake "audit" firm found are equivalent to a vending machine spitting out a dollar bill...LOL

Lastly, this "audit" firm was just reviewing computer logs well after the election. They were not there when any vote was scanned or counted. So how exactly can they say what votes might have been sent for adjudication or how that process would have even taken place? And again, the counties using Dominion in Michigan don't even use adjudication as the actual expert explained above.

But, feel free to provide the affidavits from Antrim County where this was supposedly witnessed.

So to summarize, no, there was not one unsupervised guy in Antrim County adjudicating ballots...determining on his own voter intent, filling out new ballots on his own, nor feeding ballots back through a tabulator, much less destroying the original ballot as you originally lied about.

And again, this is all complete lunacy anyway as the recount and receipts for Antrim County all support the final certified tally in which trump won the county by about the exact same margin as he did in 2016.

You should really stop embarrassing yourself. If a moron like my can so easily make you look like a fool...well....

Perhaps you need a vacation?

Still waiting.....

Curious…this was your initial post:

(04-13-2021 02:17 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  1. Did Michigan break the law by opening absentee ballots ahead of time?
2. Did Michigan break the law by allowing democrats to cure their ballots?
3. Did Michigan violate the equal protections clause of the constitution by allowing democrats to cure ballots when republicans werent allowed?
3. Did Michigan break the law by counting the illegally cured ballots?
4. Did WI violate their own constitution when they sent out absentee ballots to people who had not requested them.
5. Do you think you are an expert on voting laws when you were previously an expert on healthcare, despite not knowing what a deductible was?
6. If you are an expert on voting laws, does it concern you that many counties can not provide the chain of custody for ballots?

And then you edited it to this:

(04-13-2021 02:17 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  1. Did PA break the law by opening absentee ballots ahead of time?
2. Did PA break the law by allowing democrats to cure their ballots?
3. Did PA violate the equal protections clause of the constitution by allowing democrats to cure ballots when republicans werent allowed?
3. Did PA break the law by counting the illegally cured ballots?
4. Did WI violate their own constitution when they sent out absentee ballots to people who had not requested them.
5. Do you think you are an expert on voting laws when you were previously an expert on healthcare, despite not knowing what a deductible was?
6. If you are an expert on voting laws, does it concern you that many counties can not provide the chain of custody for ballots?

Not surprising that you don’t seem to know the difference between Michigan and Pennsylvania since you buy the fake partisan “audit” of Antrim County as gospel. The "audit" that didn’t even know that Antrim County did not even use adjudication!

But since I’m having SO much fun owning your ignorant lying ass, here’s your answers:

1. I have no idea. Has anyone been indicted for breaking the law…in either state?

2. I have no idea. Has anyone been indicted for breaking the law. And FWIW – Michigan passed a law last fall to allow curing. Regardless, many clerks had been allowing voters to cure them or years with no issue from anyone. And most counties are GOP leaning as well. For Pennsylvania, they allow curing, but it was applied inconsistently and this needs to be improved. The counties were notified in advance on procedures recommended by the SOS which were cumbersome…some followed through, others didn’t. The problem with PA is that the GOP legislature did not allow any absentee ballot processing before the morning of election day, so they didn’t really have much time to even try to cure any ballots.

3a. No clue. I doubt there was much difference here between D’s and R’s. Goes again to these bogus claims on affidavits filed that were never introduced into any court of law to be effectively challenged, and most when read, clearly indicate that the person just didn’t have a clue what they were actually watching or witnessing.

3b. No clue. Again, PA and MI does allow ballot curing. The problem again is timing and inconsistent rules and procedures provided from the state, which yes this needs to be corrected. Bottom line, how many ballots were actually cured in PA? Doubt it even came close to the margin of defeat of trump.

4. No clue…much less why you’re asking about WI now, in addition to Michigansylvania.

5. Nope, never claimed to be an expert on elections, but I read and source my claims…unlike you who makes **** up about adjudication in a county and state where it was not even used in 2020. And again, I explained five years ago that I mistakenly commented on co-insurance and confused it with deductibles…a simple mistake which I immediately corrected and apologized. Yet your petty troll ass has brought it up probably about 50 times now in 5 years. Man, get a life!

6. Since I’ve never claimed to be any sort of expert on voting laws, this is moot. Regardless, I don’t recall seeing you post one story about any county who mishandled their chain of custody on ballots.

This is fun!

(04-15-2021 10:25 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-13-2021 02:17 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  1. Did PA break the law by opening absentee ballots ahead of time?
2. Did PA break the law by allowing democrats to cure their ballots?
3. Did PA violate the equal protections clause of the constitution by allowing democrats to cure ballots when republicans werent allowed?
3. Did PA break the law by counting the illegally cured ballots?
4. Did WI violate their own constitution when they sent out absentee ballots to people who had not requested them.
5. Do you think you are an expert on voting laws when you were previously an expert on healthcare, despite not knowing what a deductible was?
6. If you are an expert on voting laws, does it concern you that many counties can not provide the chain of custody for ballots?

I'm cutting out your excess drivel, because its one of your M.O.'s to try to use verbal diarrhea and a word salad to cover your deflection.

Quote:1. I have no idea. Has anyone been indicted for breaking the law…in either state?

Sure you do. YOU are the election expert who has said there was no fraud. Therefore YOU should already know this.

So stop deflecting. Yes or no. Links are everywhere including emails from the democratic operative who ordered the early ballots cured.

Man up. Yes or no.

Quote:2. I have no idea.

What, the expert who says no fraud occurred has no idea if PA broke their own election laws?

Quote:And FWIW – Michigan passed a law last fall to allow curing.

well, thats worth nothing, because we're talking about PA.

Quote:For Pennsylvania, they allow curing, but it was applied inconsistently and this needs to be improved.

And since PA does not allow absentee ballots to be opened early, they broke their own law. Again, you used a word salad when a simple "yes" was all that was needed. And it was also pointed out in the numerous links on this that the DEMOCRATIC areas broke the law and opened absentee ballots earl, and then allowed them to be cured, whereas republican areas did not. One side breaking the law is not an inconsistent application, its illegal. And because this was known PRIOR to the certification, the certified results are a fraud.

Quote: The counties were notified in advance on procedures recommended by the SOS which were cumbersome…some followed through, others didn’t.

The SOS has no authority to change the law.

Quote:The problem with PA is that the GOP legislature did not allow any absentee ballot processing before the morning of election day, so they didn’t really have much time to even try to cure any ballots.

So, even though you responded "I dont know", inside your word salad you admit that the republican legislature didnt change the law to process absentee ballots prior to election day. Therefore, by your own admission, the curing of the ballots by democrats in democratic areas was ILLEGAL. Therefore the certification of PA votes was fraudulent, as it was known illegal activity had allowed improper votes to be counted.

Quote:3a. No clue.

Says "the expert" who said there was no fraud.

Quote:I doubt there was much difference here between D’s and R’s. Goes again to these bogus claims on affidavits filed that were never introduced into any court of law to be effectively challenged, and most when read, clearly indicate that the person just didn’t have a clue what they were actually watching or witnessing.

I have no idea what you are saying here, which isnt surprising, as you dont have any idea either.

Quote:3b. No clue. Again, PA and MI does allow ballot curing. The problem again is timing and inconsistent rules and procedures provided from the state, which yes this needs to be corrected. Bottom line, how many ballots were actually cured in PA? Doubt it even came close to the margin of defeat of trump.

SInce you are posting verbatim from FactCheck.org, maybe you should have read this section that they actually included.

"Republicans have lodged several challenges about the so-called “cured” ballots in court, arguing that counties that refused to “cure” ballots were simply following state law and a state Supreme Court ruling that prohibited it. Democrats say the guidance was clear, and perfectly legal."

Guidance does not overrule the law, and it never overrules a supreme court ruling. By this very admission, democrats not only broke the law, the broke the ruling of the supreme court.

Again, even your own overlord site published the actual problem with the "guidance". It broke the law. And also there's this nugget.

All counties got the same guidance the night before the election instructing them to notify political parties and update the ballot-tracking online system about ballot errors, thus allowing voters to cast a provisional ballot on Election Day.

Guidance given the night before the election? Yea, that doesnt smell. And why was that guidance given at all? It is ILLEGAL in PA to open absentee ballots prior to election day, but we know from affadavits from voters and the emails from the democratic operatives that democrats DID illegally open absentee ballots early, and began to cure them, even prior to this illegal guidance being published. Republicans would not have had a chance to cure anything because that had not opened ballots to see what needed to be cured.

Quote:

4. No clue…much less why you’re asking about WI now, in addition to Michigansylvania.

Let me fill you in on why I asked it. Its because I knew you would post 5000 words of nothingness and deny knowledge of anything in PA. Which you did. However, the WI supreme court has already ruled that mailing absentee ballots without a request for a ballot was ILLEGAL and UNCONSTITUTIONAL, as the states constitution says this is not allowed. This has already been ruled on since the election, so your answer should have been yes if you were honest and not suffering from tiny dick disease. If you cant answer yes to this question, you know as much about elections as insurance deductibles.

Not seeing anything in there about you lying about Antrim County...still.

To the other posters here, this is why this clown is a dishonest troll. I owned him completely on Antrim County Michigan with facts and sources and all he does is spew lies, and then when called out, deflects to all these other irrelevant questions and then makes up more lies that I've claimed to be an expert on elections when I said I wasn't. And FWIW - He's not any expert either...along with the rest of us.

Finally, WTF does it matter what happened in PA, MI or WI here in a thread about AZ? There's clearly election issues in those states that need cleaned up and I've never said otherwise. I've also said that anyone who breaks any laws needs prosecuted and punished. I don't give a **** which party they're in.

And oh...again...I've never once said that election fraud does not occur. It occurs every year, and it occurs from all political parties. What I've always said and what's born out by facts is that this fraud has never been shown to occur in enough volume to effect a presidential election...much less state and local ones.

How sad is this guy anyway? LOL.

(04-15-2021 11:49 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Not seeing anything in there about you lying about Antrim County...still.

To the other posters here, this is why this clown is a dishonest troll. I owned him completely on Antrim County Michigan with facts and sources and all he does is spew lies, and then when called out, deflects to all these other irrelevant questions and then makes up more lies that I've claimed to be an expert on elections when I said I wasn't. And FWIW - He's not any expert either...along with the rest of us.

Finally, WTF does it matter what happened in PA, MI or WI here in a thread about AZ? There's clearly election issues in those states that need cleaned up and I've never said otherwise. I've also said that anyone who breaks any laws needs prosecuted and punished. I don't give a **** which party they're in.

And oh...again...I've never once said that election fraud does not occur. It occurs every year, and it occurs from all political parties. What I've always said and what's born out by facts is that this fraud has never been shown to occur in enough volume to effect a presidential election...much less state and local ones.

How sad is this guy anyway? LOL.

Noones listening to you anymore. Most have you on ignore. If you cant admit that WI broke their own elections laws after their own supreme court said they did, nobody believes you. Nor should they.

Now, go type another 5000 word diarrhea about something else nobody cares about.

(04-15-2021 11:37 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  However, the WI supreme court has already ruled that mailing absentee ballots without a request for a ballot was ILLEGAL and UNCONSTITUTIONAL, as the states constitution says this is not allowed.

Can you cite the court decision please?

(04-15-2021 12:05 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 11:49 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Not seeing anything in there about you lying about Antrim County...still.

To the other posters here, this is why this clown is a dishonest troll. I owned him completely on Antrim County Michigan with facts and sources and all he does is spew lies, and then when called out, deflects to all these other irrelevant questions and then makes up more lies that I've claimed to be an expert on elections when I said I wasn't. And FWIW - He's not any expert either...along with the rest of us.

Finally, WTF does it matter what happened in PA, MI or WI here in a thread about AZ? There's clearly election issues in those states that need cleaned up and I've never said otherwise. I've also said that anyone who breaks any laws needs prosecuted and punished. I don't give a **** which party they're in.

And oh...again...I've never once said that election fraud does not occur. It occurs every year, and it occurs from all political parties. What I've always said and what's born out by facts is that this fraud has never been shown to occur in enough volume to effect a presidential election...much less state and local ones.

How sad is this guy anyway? LOL.

Noones listening to you anymore. Most have you on ignore. If you cant admit that WI broke their own elections laws after their own supreme court said they did, nobody believes you. Nor should they.

Now, go type another 5000 word diarrhea about something else nobody cares about.

Hey troll, why have you suddenly abandoned your claim about adjudication in Antrim County Michigan?

(04-15-2021 12:18 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 12:05 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 11:49 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Not seeing anything in there about you lying about Antrim County...still.

To the other posters here, this is why this clown is a dishonest troll. I owned him completely on Antrim County Michigan with facts and sources and all he does is spew lies, and then when called out, deflects to all these other irrelevant questions and then makes up more lies that I've claimed to be an expert on elections when I said I wasn't. And FWIW - He's not any expert either...along with the rest of us.

Finally, WTF does it matter what happened in PA, MI or WI here in a thread about AZ? There's clearly election issues in those states that need cleaned up and I've never said otherwise. I've also said that anyone who breaks any laws needs prosecuted and punished. I don't give a **** which party they're in.

And oh...again...I've never once said that election fraud does not occur. It occurs every year, and it occurs from all political parties. What I've always said and what's born out by facts is that this fraud has never been shown to occur in enough volume to effect a presidential election...much less state and local ones.

How sad is this guy anyway? LOL.

Noones listening to you anymore. Most have you on ignore. If you cant admit that WI broke their own elections laws after their own supreme court said they did, nobody believes you. Nor should they.

Now, go type another 5000 word diarrhea about something else nobody cares about.

Hey troll, why have you suddenly abandoned your claim about adjudication in Antrim County Michigan?

Not my claim. I posted the results of the audit, which you didnt realized had been ordered. I then posted what happens in adjudication.

We need a full audit of the complete system to see what happened. Something that certain MI counties are fighting to this day.

What we know happened in Antrim county is that procedures were violated, because you dont just have a tabulation error. We need to know how, who, and why the "tabulation error" was allowed to happen. There is no reason to allow that full audit to happen. If you want people to believe the senile fucknut who hid out in a basement outperformed Barack Obama with the electorate, just allow people to examine what happened.

(04-15-2021 12:17 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 11:37 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  However, the WI supreme court has already ruled that mailing absentee ballots without a request for a ballot was ILLEGAL and UNCONSTITUTIONAL, as the states constitution says this is not allowed.

Can you cite the court decision please?

Waiting.........

(04-15-2021 12:33 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 12:18 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 12:05 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 11:49 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Not seeing anything in there about you lying about Antrim County...still.

To the other posters here, this is why this clown is a dishonest troll. I owned him completely on Antrim County Michigan with facts and sources and all he does is spew lies, and then when called out, deflects to all these other irrelevant questions and then makes up more lies that I've claimed to be an expert on elections when I said I wasn't. And FWIW - He's not any expert either...along with the rest of us.

Finally, WTF does it matter what happened in PA, MI or WI here in a thread about AZ? There's clearly election issues in those states that need cleaned up and I've never said otherwise. I've also said that anyone who breaks any laws needs prosecuted and punished. I don't give a **** which party they're in.

And oh...again...I've never once said that election fraud does not occur. It occurs every year, and it occurs from all political parties. What I've always said and what's born out by facts is that this fraud has never been shown to occur in enough volume to effect a presidential election...much less state and local ones.

How sad is this guy anyway? LOL.

Noones listening to you anymore. Most have you on ignore. If you cant admit that WI broke their own elections laws after their own supreme court said they did, nobody believes you. Nor should they.

Now, go type another 5000 word diarrhea about something else nobody cares about.

Hey troll, why have you suddenly abandoned your claim about adjudication in Antrim County Michigan?

Not my claim. I posted the results of the audit, which you didnt realized had been ordered. I then posted what happens in adjudication.

Liar.

(01-26-2021 03:11 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Easy. The forensic audit turned up that 68% of the ballots scanned by that machine were rejected and went to adjudication. Adjudication is a manual process where the original ballots are sent to a single unmonitored workstation where an employee attempts to determine voter intent. That one unmonitored person then corrects the ballot, reprints the ballot corrected, and sends the original ballot to be destroyed.

So now you're claiming months later that you weren't speaking specifically about what you claim happened in Antrim County?

Additionally, this is not what happens in adjudication regardless. Not to mention that adjudication did not even occur in Antrim County and most of Michigan because you simply do not know how the majority of people vote in Michigan.

We DO NOT vote electronically and then print out a ballot with our results. We get a preprinted paper ballot, fill in the bubbles, then WE feed it into the dominion tabulator machine. Antrim County already did a recount of those paper ballots and they matched the machine tabulation.

This is so embarrassing for you...I can see why you're running away from the stuff you clearly just made up. Dude, just admit what we all know...it's not that hard.

(04-15-2021 12:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 12:17 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 11:37 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  However, the WI supreme court has already ruled that mailing absentee ballots without a request for a ballot was ILLEGAL and UNCONSTITUTIONAL, as the states constitution says this is not allowed.

Can you cite the court decision please?

Waiting.........

pull your head out of your ass and find it yourself. here's one.

https://thegreggjarrett.com/wi-supreme-c...-to-covid/

(04-15-2021 12:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 12:33 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 12:18 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 12:05 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 11:49 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Not seeing anything in there about you lying about Antrim County...still.

To the other posters here, this is why this clown is a dishonest troll. I owned him completely on Antrim County Michigan with facts and sources and all he does is spew lies, and then when called out, deflects to all these other irrelevant questions and then makes up more lies that I've claimed to be an expert on elections when I said I wasn't. And FWIW - He's not any expert either...along with the rest of us.

Finally, WTF does it matter what happened in PA, MI or WI here in a thread about AZ? There's clearly election issues in those states that need cleaned up and I've never said otherwise. I've also said that anyone who breaks any laws needs prosecuted and punished. I don't give a **** which party they're in.

And oh...again...I've never once said that election fraud does not occur. It occurs every year, and it occurs from all political parties. What I've always said and what's born out by facts is that this fraud has never been shown to occur in enough volume to effect a presidential election...much less state and local ones.

How sad is this guy anyway? LOL.

Noones listening to you anymore. Most have you on ignore. If you cant admit that WI broke their own elections laws after their own supreme court said they did, nobody believes you. Nor should they.

Now, go type another 5000 word diarrhea about something else nobody cares about.

Hey troll, why have you suddenly abandoned your claim about adjudication in Antrim County Michigan?

Not my claim. I posted the results of the audit, which you didnt realized had been ordered. I then posted what happens in adjudication.

Liar.

DO I really need to rub your nose into the link that you submitted that said an audit had been ordered, and you didnt realize it because your spell check didnt find it for you?

Quote:

(01-26-2021 03:11 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Easy. The forensic audit turned up that 68% of the ballots scanned by that machine were rejected and went to adjudication. Adjudication is a manual process where the original ballots are sent to a single unmonitored workstation where an employee attempts to determine voter intent. That one unmonitored person then corrects the ballot, reprints the ballot corrected, and sends the original ballot to be destroyed.

So now you're claiming months later that you weren't speaking specifically about what you claim happened in Antrim County?

The audit said 68% went to adjudication.

I simply laid out what the adjudication process was, as reported by others. It shows a gaping hole in security of how ballots are adjudicated in the dominion systems.

We wont know anything until a full audit is performed. You can keep crapping your pants, but as proved eariler by your own testimony, you dont know.

(04-15-2021 01:05 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 12:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 12:17 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 11:37 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  However, the WI supreme court has already ruled that mailing absentee ballots without a request for a ballot was ILLEGAL and UNCONSTITUTIONAL, as the states constitution says this is not allowed.

Can you cite the court decision please?

Waiting.........

pull your head out of your ass and find it yourself. here's one.

https://thegreggjarrett.com/wi-supreme-c...-to-covid/

I already found that ruling numbnutz, but as per usual, you're lying about what it says. Therefore, I had no idea if you were talking about something completely different or not.

To summarize:

Quote:Petitioners, Mark Jefferson and the Republican Part of Wisconsin, filed a petition for original action seeking a declaration that Respondents lacked the authority to issue an interpretation of Wisconsin's election law allowing all electors in Dane County to obtain an absentee ballot without photo identification and that the Emergency Order did not authorize all Wisconsin voters to obtain an absentee ballot without a photo identification. The Supreme Court answered (1) Wis. Stat. 6.86(2)(a) requires that each individual elector make his or her own determination as to whether the elector is indefinitely confined, and an elector is indefinitely confined for purposes of section 6.86(2)(a) for only the enumerated reasons therein; and (2) Respondents' interpretation of Wisconsin election laws was erroneous.

https://law.justia.com/cases/wisconsin/s...57-oa.html

All the ruling states is that the voters were not allowed to get an absentee ballot without a photo ID. It said nothing about being against the constitution to mail them one with or without their request.

And here's your claim. None of what you claimed is backed up by this ruling.

(04-15-2021 11:37 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  However, the WI supreme court has already ruled that mailing absentee ballots without a request for a ballot was ILLEGAL and UNCONSTITUTIONAL, as the states constitution says this is not allowed.

Additionally, the court also ruled on the same day that those votes cast would be counted. Oops!

Quote:Petitioners brought this action seeking to invalidated a sufficient number of Wisconsin ballots to change Wisconsin's certified election results, focusing its objections on four different categories of ballots applying only to voters in Dane and Milwaukee County. Among those challenged ballots were ballots cast by voters who claimed indefinitely confined status since March 25, 2020. The Supreme Court concluded that the Petitioners were not entitled to the requested relief, holding (1) the challenge to the indefinitely confined voter ballots was meritless on its face; and (2) the other three categories of challenged ballots failed under the doctrine of laches.

https://law.justia.com/cases/wisconsin/s...02038.html

Can it get any more embarrassing for you? Maybe you can bring up deductibles again or comment on ***** size...that's always a winning play.

(04-15-2021 01:09 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 12:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 12:33 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 12:18 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 12:05 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Noones listening to you anymore. Most have you on ignore. If you cant admit that WI broke their own elections laws after their own supreme court said they did, nobody believes you. Nor should they.

Now, go type another 5000 word diarrhea about something else nobody cares about.

Hey troll, why have you suddenly abandoned your claim about adjudication in Antrim County Michigan?

Not my claim. I posted the results of the audit, which you didnt realized had been ordered. I then posted what happens in adjudication.

Liar.

DO I really need to rub your nose into the link that you submitted that said an audit had been ordered, and you didnt realize it because your spell check didnt find it for you?

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(01-26-2021 03:11 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Easy. The forensic audit turned up that 68% of the ballots scanned by that machine were rejected and went to adjudication. Adjudication is a manual process where the original ballots are sent to a single unmonitored workstation where an employee attempts to determine voter intent. That one unmonitored person then corrects the ballot, reprints the ballot corrected, and sends the original ballot to be destroyed.

So now you're claiming months later that you weren't speaking specifically about what you claim happened in Antrim County?

The audit said 68% went to adjudication.

I simply laid out what the adjudication process was, as reported by others. It shows a gaping hole in security of how ballots are adjudicated in the dominion systems.

We wont know anything until a full audit is performed. You can keep crapping your pants, but as proved eariler by your own testimony, you dont know.

Yeah...we get it. And as I showed above, the "audit" if just factually wrong as the actual expert I quoted above said. I see you ignored that part because it proves you're a pathetic liar. How sad.

The 68% were not rejected ballots.
In Antrim County and most of Michigan, you scan your own ballot by feeding it yourself into the tabulation machine.
If the tabulation machine accepts your ballot, it's counted.
The tabulation machine keeps a paper trail.
Antrim County did a full recount of those ballots and the machines counted them correctly.

But most importantly, there is simply no adjudication in Antrim County or in most all of Michigan because there is not printing of a ballot! It's preprinted before you even arrive at the poll. Then you fill in the appropriate bubbles and feed it yourself into the machine.

You simply don't know how voting occurs in Michigan. So why does that not stop you from making a total clown of yourself here.

Go ahead and PM Marine or Rath. They both live in Michigan and can tell you how we vote here if you don't believe me or the expert I cited above? Additionally, Rath even voted in Antrim County! Instead you believe the partisan clowns hired by the plaintiffs who don't know the difference between Michigan and Minnesota!

Finally, I see you yet again lied about what I said. I did a word search, not a spell check. God, you're a moron. SMH.

(04-15-2021 01:36 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 01:09 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 12:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 12:33 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 12:18 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Hey troll, why have you suddenly abandoned your claim about adjudication in Antrim County Michigan?

Not my claim. I posted the results of the audit, which you didnt realized had been ordered. I then posted what happens in adjudication.

Liar.

DO I really need to rub your nose into the link that you submitted that said an audit had been ordered, and you didnt realize it because your spell check didnt find it for you?

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(01-26-2021 03:11 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Easy. The forensic audit turned up that 68% of the ballots scanned by that machine were rejected and went to adjudication. Adjudication is a manual process where the original ballots are sent to a single unmonitored workstation where an employee attempts to determine voter intent. That one unmonitored person then corrects the ballot, reprints the ballot corrected, and sends the original ballot to be destroyed.

So now you're claiming months later that you weren't speaking specifically about what you claim happened in Antrim County?

The audit said 68% went to adjudication.

I simply laid out what the adjudication process was, as reported by others. It shows a gaping hole in security of how ballots are adjudicated in the dominion systems.

We wont know anything until a full audit is performed. You can keep crapping your pants, but as proved eariler by your own testimony, you dont know.

Yeah...we get it. And as I showed above, the "audit" if just factually wrong as the actual expert I quoted above said. I see you ignored that part because it proves you're a pathetic liar. How sad.

nope. You cant even say if PA or WI violated elections laws, so you'l excuse us if we dont believe some "expert" you pulled out of your ass to refute the expert the court allowed to perform the forensic audit.

Quote:The 68% were not rejected ballots.

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The machine says otherwise.

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In Antrim County and most of Michigan, you scan your own ballot by feeding it yourself into the tabulation machine.
If the tabulation machine accepts your ballot, it's counted.
The tabulation machine keeps a paper trail.
Antrim County did a full recount of those ballots and the machines counted them correctly.

Once again, you miss the point.

It doesnt matter WHO feeds the paper ballot into the machine. It is ALWAYS scanned, no matter if the scan can determine voter intent or not.

After its in electronic form in the machine, if the machine can not determine the vote, its is sent ELECTRONICALLY to a queue for adjudication. Not a physical piece of paper. Some site even did a demostration of the process. Its probably not on factcheck.org. Even if it was, you still would claim not to know.

Quote:But most importantly, there is simply no adjudication in Antrim County or in most all of Michigan because there is not printing of a ballot! It's preprinted before you even arrive at the poll. Then you fill in the appropriate bubbles and feed it yourself into the machine.

Adjudication happens any time there is a physical ballot involved. You really have no idea what you are talking about. The only time there is no adjudication is when the machine electronically records and counts your vote. ANY TIME A PHYSICAL BALLOT EXISTS, THERE IS SOME FORM OF ADJUDICATION TO HANDLE THE UNKNOWN INTENT.

Read that last statement and get it through your skull. You ASSUME there is no adjudication in MI because MI uses preprinted ballots. Thats a really stupid take. The truth is that by using preprinted ballots, MI is completely dependent on adjudication.

Quote:You simply don't know how voting occurs in Michigan. So why does that not stop you from making a total clown of yourself here.

Says the guy who doesnt think there is adjuducation in MI because they use preprinted ballots. lulz. good one.

Quote:Go ahead and PM Marine or Rath. They both live in Michigan and can tell you how we vote here if you don't believe me or the expert I cited above?

I didnt say anything about HOW you voted. You said MI doesnt use adjudication, which isnt true. I'll take your word they use preprinted ballots. That simply confirms adjudication is used.

Quote:Additionally, Rath even voted in Antrim County! Instead you believe the partisan clowns hired by the plaintiffs who don't know the difference between Michigan and Minnesota!

The votes were completely screwed up in Antrim county. No, I wont accept an explanation. I want an audit to see who didnt follow procedures which allowed such a stupid mistake to occur. Its funny what else you might find out when you do that.

Quote:Finally, I see you yet again lied about what I said. I did a word search, not a spell check.

I dont care what you did, you simply f*cked up as usual. I'm not going to continusouly go back through threads to see what your particular excuse for f*cking up was each time.

Still waiting on those affidavits you claimed proved some unsupervised guy handled this all on his own.

Still waiting on any proof whatsoever that any ballot was adjudicated in Antrim County.

Again, the fake audit report claimed 68% of ballots needed to be adjudicated, yet you can't show me one source anywhere to back this up. Further, that audit cannot say at all that any ballot went to adjudication because they were not there when the voter fed the ballot into the machine! And as I cited above, the actual expert said the the 68% was only an error line in the machine code. Nowhere has anyone claimed, even in your fake audit, that this meant that any ballot went to adjudication.

Antrim County as a while only had around 16k votes. There's not one person anywhere in that county on record showing or reporting that anywhere close to 10,000 of them could not be scanned by the machine. Again, it's ******* republican county. You honestly thing that many votes could not be scanned and nobody anywhere said a peep or reported on it...including the Republican official who runs the county election?

Perhaps that's in an affidavit filed by some blind guy!

(04-15-2021 07:13 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-14-2021 03:11 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-14-2021 10:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-14-2021 09:29 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Why argue with a buffoon?

Tell me, do you also believe this is what happened?

(01-26-2021 03:11 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Easy. The forensic audit turned up that 68% of the ballots scanned by that machine were rejected and went to adjudication. Adjudication is a manual process where the original ballots are sent to a single unmonitored workstation where an employee attempts to determine voter intent. That one unmonitored person then corrects the ballot, reprints the ballot corrected, and sends the original ballot to be destroyed.

Hint: It's all lies. I called him out on and he's yet to provide any source for this nonsense, yet alone man up for the lies he just pulled out of his ass.

One more time, reeeeeeeeeeBoy. The 68% number is what the forensic audit turned up, and the court agreed to release. (although some worked hard on it not getting released)

This is not what happened. The judge himself imposed a restriction on the release of the report as he wanted it reviewed before release. There was a court hearing in which he agreed to release the report with redactions of any personal information of those who actually conducted the audit and prepared the report. The only objections from the state were to those who were talking about the report before it was officially released in violation of the gag order and for the state to have a chance to review it before the lies and misinformation started. And the state withdrew their objections and agreed to the release.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/politic...537004002/

And again, the 68% "error" rate was not rejected ballots sent to adjudication as an expert who knows the difference between Minnesota and Michigan explains here:

Quote:Halderman's new analysis said Ramsland arrived at the 68% figure by examining the scanner log of a Nov. 6 re-scan of ballots in Central Lake Township, a township in Antrim County. The log included 15,676 lines with Ramsland classifying 10,667 as errors, equaling a 68% "error rate."

But the 68% finding is "meaningless," said Halderman, who is also co-chair of Michigan’s Election Security Advisory Commission. Scanning a single ballot produces multiple lines in the log, "often including many benign warnings or errors," he said.

"This means that the fraction of lines that are errors does not represent a fraction of ballots or votes, the entities for which an error rate would be relevant," Halderman said.

The professor included the image of log error notices and ballot "reversed" notices.

"The warning messages relate to benign instances where ballots did not feed into the scanner correctly and were ejected (“reversed”) for the voter to try again," Halderman wrote. "This is analogous to a vending machine returning a dollar bill that was inserted incorrectly."

Michigan expert debunks infamous report on Antrim County election as 'meaningless'

(04-14-2021 03:11 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  The next part is where I explained the dominion systems adjudication process. This was covered by affadavits which said in some of the locations that the adjudicators werent in the same room and were unmonitored by party officials.

And to your claim about adjudication...more on that later...again this partisan "audit" firm is ignorant of what actually happened in Antrim County as explained here by an expert who knows the difference between Minnesota and Michigan:

Quote:He also examined Ramsland's claim that a "staggering number of votes required adjudication," a suggestion that ballot selections could have been changed once they were in adjudication.

"There are several problems with this theory," Halderman said. "First, adjudication occurs after ballots are scanned and poll tapes are printed. In Antrim County, the final reported results match the poll tapes in essentially all cases. Therefore, the final results could not have been altered using adjudication."

In addition, the adjudication functionality was not enabled at all in Antrim County during the November 2020 election, and Antrim did not purchase the application, Halderman said.

"Far from a 'staggering number' of ballots being adjudicated, the actual number was zero," Halderman said. "Therefore, Mr. Ramsland’s theories are completely inapplicable to the incident in Antrim County."

Michigan expert debunks infamous report on Antrim County election as 'meaningless'

But go ahead...show me one affidavit for Antrim County......

(04-14-2021 03:11 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  One more time for you; the way dominion systems works is that you vote electronically, THEN your ballot is not counted. Instead it is printed out and scanned, which then counts the vote. If the scan doesnt work, it goes to adjuducation. In adjudication, someone determines voter intent, they then reselect the votes, and a new ballot is printed out and the old one is sent to be destroyed. This means the adjuducated vote will match in any recounts, because the original ballot no longer exists, but was replaced by the new ballot.

For absentee ballots, it works the same way, except that the electronic vote doesnt occur.

Okay, here's where this gets REALLY embarrassing for you. As the expert explained above, Antrim County...and most counties in Michigan...don't even use adjudication. So you really don't know how voting worked in Michigan, do you? Of course you don't...and you're talking out of your ass again.

I live in Michigan skippy...and here's a map of Michigan explaining what each county uses...and my county uses the exact same equipment as Antrim County as does most counties in Michigan.
https://michigan.maps.arcgis.com/apps/we...661b599c2f

And no, there is no printed ballot. Again, you're just making **** up. When you vote in Michigan in person in a Dominion County, you show your ID, fill out a card, and you're given a preprinted paper ballot that you fill out with a pen in bubbles, you know like the tests you took in school? Then YOU scan that ballot into the dominion tabulator machine. As the expert explained, the errors that this fake "audit" firm found are equivalent to a vending machine spitting out a dollar bill...LOL

Lastly, this "audit" firm was just reviewing computer logs well after the election. They were not there when any vote was scanned or counted. So how exactly can they say what votes might have been sent for adjudication or how that process would have even taken place? And again, the counties using Dominion in Michigan don't even use adjudication as the actual expert explained above.

But, feel free to provide the affidavits from Antrim County where this was supposedly witnessed.

So to summarize, no, there was not one unsupervised guy in Antrim County adjudicating ballots...determining on his own voter intent, filling out new ballots on his own, nor feeding ballots back through a tabulator, much less destroying the original ballot as you originally lied about.

And again, this is all complete lunacy anyway as the recount and receipts for Antrim County all support the final certified tally in which trump won the county by about the exact same margin as he did in 2016.

You should really stop embarrassing yourself. If a moron like my can so easily make you look like a fool...well....

Perhaps you need a vacation?

You still have not addressed the expert in here as of yet. But a valiant attempt to deflect this into a bunch of questions on PA and WI that nodoby gives a **** about.

I do.

(04-15-2021 02:36 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  I do.

Then go address them in the other threads on PA and WI.

The clown is only trying to deflect away from his ignorance on Michigan.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!