(10-19-2020 03:11 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(10-19-2020 02:08 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(10-19-2020 12:34 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Is it the better overall program?

Historically speaking, WVU has a .597 winning percentage in football. Navy .554, TCU .541, Louisville .538, Cincinnati .499.

This was a football-driven expansion, and yes, Jurich threw everything he had to leapfrog the Mountaineers into the Big XII.

Had WVU not made their decision before Maryland left for the Big Ten, I cannot see how the ACC would have passed this up:

BC----Syracuse
Pitt---WVU
UVA--Virginia Tech
UNC--NC State
Duke-Wake
GT----Clemson
Miami-FSU

IDK what source you used but according to my UC Media Guide the Bearcats are 631-593-50 all-time, above the .499 mark you cited.

I was looking at their record in the highest division. It should be close.

(10-19-2020 02:29 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(10-19-2020 02:08 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(10-19-2020 12:34 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Is it the better overall program?

Historically speaking, WVU has a .597 winning percentage in football. Navy .554, TCU .541, Louisville .538, Cincinnati .499.

This was a football-driven expansion, and yes, Jurich threw everything he had to leapfrog the Mountaineers into the Big XII.

Had WVU not made their decision before Maryland left for the Big Ten, I cannot see how the ACC would have passed this up:

BC----Syracuse
Pitt---WVU
UVA--Virginia Tech
UNC--NC State
Duke-Wake
GT----Clemson
Miami-FSU

1. All-time winning % is without context
2. We don't know what Jurich threw up in comparison to WVU. There was a timing issue.
3. WVU may have made more sense to the B12 because they were looking to get into the eastern markets.

I agree WVU's brand has been stronger in football. I'm not sure their football program is actually stronger (or weaker). Looks more like a push to me.

If UL and WVU were available to the ACC, I still don't know who gets in. Louisville generates more athletic revenue and have more money to throw at it ($140m vs $103m in 2018-19) and opens a new market. WVU makes for better geographic homogeneity and brings better rivalry games. Pitt an SU probably lobby for WVU.

We have to look at what was going on 2012, not 2018-19.

The win percentage reflects their time in the top division.

The exercise has been interesting, but in reality the eventual #16 wasn't even on the list.
If Notre Dame is the presumed #15, number 16 with out a doubt will be Texas. The question then is: does Oklahoma State accompany Oklahoma to the SEC or will that honor go to the oft mentioned West Virginia?

(10-19-2020 05:32 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(10-19-2020 02:29 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(10-19-2020 02:08 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(10-19-2020 12:34 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Is it the better overall program?

Historically speaking, WVU has a .597 winning percentage in football. Navy .554, TCU .541, Louisville .538, Cincinnati .499.

This was a football-driven expansion, and yes, Jurich threw everything he had to leapfrog the Mountaineers into the Big XII.

Had WVU not made their decision before Maryland left for the Big Ten, I cannot see how the ACC would have passed this up:

BC----Syracuse
Pitt---WVU
UVA--Virginia Tech
UNC--NC State
Duke-Wake
GT----Clemson
Miami-FSU

1. All-time winning % is without context
2. We don't know what Jurich threw up in comparison to WVU. There was a timing issue.
3. WVU may have made more sense to the B12 because they were looking to get into the eastern markets.

I agree WVU's brand has been stronger in football. I'm not sure their football program is actually stronger (or weaker). Looks more like a push to me.

If UL and WVU were available to the ACC, I still don't know who gets in. Louisville generates more athletic revenue and have more money to throw at it ($140m vs $103m in 2018-19) and opens a new market. WVU makes for better geographic homogeneity and brings better rivalry games. Pitt an SU probably lobby for WVU.

We have to look at what was going on 2012, not 2018-19.

The win percentage reflects their time in the top division.

In 2011 Louisville was co-champs with WVU and had beat them at their place. In 2012, Louisville went 11-2 and beat Florida in the Sugar Bowl. It still had much higher athletic revenue. The programs weren't that different.

The win %s are still without context. Doesn't take into widely variable schedules.

(10-20-2020 06:27 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(10-19-2020 05:32 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(10-19-2020 02:29 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(10-19-2020 02:08 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(10-19-2020 12:34 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Is it the better overall program?

Historically speaking, WVU has a .597 winning percentage in football. Navy .554, TCU .541, Louisville .538, Cincinnati .499.

This was a football-driven expansion, and yes, Jurich threw everything he had to leapfrog the Mountaineers into the Big XII.

Had WVU not made their decision before Maryland left for the Big Ten, I cannot see how the ACC would have passed this up:

BC----Syracuse
Pitt---WVU
UVA--Virginia Tech
UNC--NC State
Duke-Wake
GT----Clemson
Miami-FSU

1. All-time winning % is without context
2. We don't know what Jurich threw up in comparison to WVU. There was a timing issue.
3. WVU may have made more sense to the B12 because they were looking to get into the eastern markets.

I agree WVU's brand has been stronger in football. I'm not sure their football program is actually stronger (or weaker). Looks more like a push to me.

If UL and WVU were available to the ACC, I still don't know who gets in. Louisville generates more athletic revenue and have more money to throw at it ($140m vs $103m in 2018-19) and opens a new market. WVU makes for better geographic homogeneity and brings better rivalry games. Pitt an SU probably lobby for WVU.

We have to look at what was going on 2012, not 2018-19.

The win percentage reflects their time in the top division.

In 2011 Louisville was co-champs with WVU and had beat them at their place. In 2012, Louisville went 11-2 and beat Florida in the Sugar Bowl. It still had much higher athletic revenue. The programs weren't that different.

The win %s are still without context. Doesn't take into widely variable schedules.

Fair enough. I’d venture to guess WVU played a much tougher schedule over the course of their history. Louisville was a mid-major program until the 80’s. WVU was a more established football brand and had recently missed a national title appearance due to a loss vs. Pitt.

(10-20-2020 05:06 AM)XLance Wrote:  The exercise has been interesting, but in reality the eventual #16 wasn't even on the list.
If Notre Dame is the presumed #15, number 16 with out a doubt will be Texas. The question then is: does Oklahoma State accompany Oklahoma to the SEC or will that honor go to the oft mentioned West Virginia?

You may be without a doubt, but Texas to the ACC is extremely dubious.

(10-20-2020 05:06 AM)XLance Wrote:  The exercise has been interesting, but in reality the eventual #16 wasn't even on the list.
If Notre Dame is the presumed #15, number 16 with out a doubt will be Texas. The question then is: does Oklahoma State accompany Oklahoma to the SEC or will that honor go to the oft mentioned West Virginia?

Without a doubt Texas is the prime target for the ACC. But Texas has other choices and if they don’t come, Navy makes the most sense. My personal favorite is football only Navy plus Georgetown for everything else.

(10-20-2020 11:28 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(10-20-2020 05:06 AM)XLance Wrote:  The exercise has been interesting, but in reality the eventual #16 wasn't even on the list.
If Notre Dame is the presumed #15, number 16 with out a doubt will be Texas. The question then is: does Oklahoma State accompany Oklahoma to the SEC or will that honor go to the oft mentioned West Virginia?

Without a doubt Texas is the prime target for the ACC. But Texas has other choices and if they don’t come, Navy makes the most sense. My personal favorite is football only Navy plus Georgetown for everything else.

I’d just take Villanova in a soccer stadium.

(10-20-2020 09:38 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(10-20-2020 11:28 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(10-20-2020 05:06 AM)XLance Wrote:  The exercise has been interesting, but in reality the eventual #16 wasn't even on the list.
If Notre Dame is the presumed #15, number 16 with out a doubt will be Texas. The question then is: does Oklahoma State accompany Oklahoma to the SEC or will that honor go to the oft mentioned West Virginia?

Without a doubt Texas is the prime target for the ACC. But Texas has other choices and if they don’t come, Navy makes the most sense. My personal favorite is football only Navy plus Georgetown for everything else.

I’d just take Villanova in a soccer stadium.

This is the correct answer. Body blow to Big East basketball and worth the risk in football - I suspect an ACC, FBS Nova playing in a nice MLS facility or an ACC Network-subsidized new, nice but smaller stadium somewhere in Greater Philly could surpass Temple in program quality in a surprisingly short amount of time. Clemson and FSU would probably be on board if ND was all-in as part of the deal. If I’m the ACC I want nothing to do with Texas, it’s superiority complex, or the travel headaches, or the Navy/Georgetown proposal, as I neither want to play a cut blocking triple option team in conference, nor do I want hasten the revitalization of the moribund Georgetown program or make my school’s basketball recruiting efforts in the talent-laden DMV area more difficult.

(10-20-2020 09:38 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(10-20-2020 11:28 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(10-20-2020 05:06 AM)XLance Wrote:  The exercise has been interesting, but in reality the eventual #16 wasn't even on the list.
If Notre Dame is the presumed #15, number 16 with out a doubt will be Texas. The question then is: does Oklahoma State accompany Oklahoma to the SEC or will that honor go to the oft mentioned West Virginia?

Without a doubt Texas is the prime target for the ACC. But Texas has other choices and if they don’t come, Navy makes the most sense. My personal favorite is football only Navy plus Georgetown for everything else.

I’d just take Villanova in a soccer stadium.

I'm serious, you'd be much better off taking Temple. Villanova is not committed to anything, and wouldn't likely move up to fbs even for the ACC. That was a one time thing for the Big East, was primarily basketball motivated, and neither their heart nor wallet was in it. Even if they would, 'Nova and their soccer stadium plan would be way worse than Cincy, UConn or Navy. The ACC with ND recruiting for it can do waaay better than 'Nova.

WVU would definitely jump if contractual obligations allowed it and it had an opportunity. Don't know if the ACC would want them though. The ACC with ND might be able to do better than that too. ND has a LOT of pull.

(10-20-2020 10:26 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(10-20-2020 09:38 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(10-20-2020 11:28 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(10-20-2020 05:06 AM)XLance Wrote:  The exercise has been interesting, but in reality the eventual #16 wasn't even on the list.
If Notre Dame is the presumed #15, number 16 with out a doubt will be Texas. The question then is: does Oklahoma State accompany Oklahoma to the SEC or will that honor go to the oft mentioned West Virginia?

Without a doubt Texas is the prime target for the ACC. But Texas has other choices and if they don’t come, Navy makes the most sense. My personal favorite is football only Navy plus Georgetown for everything else.

I’d just take Villanova in a soccer stadium.

I'm serious, you'd be much better off taking Temple. Villanova is not committed to anything, and wouldn't likely move up to fbs even for the ACC. That was a one time thing for the Big East, was primarily basketball motivated, and neither their heart nor wallet was in it. Even if they would, 'Nova and their soccer stadium plan would be way worse than Cincy, UConn or Navy. The ACC with ND recruiting for it can do waaay better than 'Nova.

WVU would definitely jump if contractual obligations allowed it and it had an opportunity. Don't know if the ACC would want them though. The ACC with ND might be able to do better than that too. ND has a LOT of pull.

Wasn't adding Villanova the last gasp of the Big East?
When the idea of adding 'Nova was floated and everyone involved looked around and thought "is that the best you can do", the folks involved knew it was over.
The ACC is not that desperate.

(10-21-2020 04:46 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-20-2020 10:26 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(10-20-2020 09:38 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(10-20-2020 11:28 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(10-20-2020 05:06 AM)XLance Wrote:  The exercise has been interesting, but in reality the eventual #16 wasn't even on the list.
If Notre Dame is the presumed #15, number 16 with out a doubt will be Texas. The question then is: does Oklahoma State accompany Oklahoma to the SEC or will that honor go to the oft mentioned West Virginia?

Without a doubt Texas is the prime target for the ACC. But Texas has other choices and if they don’t come, Navy makes the most sense. My personal favorite is football only Navy plus Georgetown for everything else.

I’d just take Villanova in a soccer stadium.

I'm serious, you'd be much better off taking Temple. Villanova is not committed to anything, and wouldn't likely move up to fbs even for the ACC. That was a one time thing for the Big East, was primarily basketball motivated, and neither their heart nor wallet was in it. Even if they would, 'Nova and their soccer stadium plan would be way worse than Cincy, UConn or Navy. The ACC with ND recruiting for it can do waaay better than 'Nova.

WVU would definitely jump if contractual obligations allowed it and it had an opportunity. Don't know if the ACC would want them though. The ACC with ND might be able to do better than that too. ND has a LOT of pull.

Wasn't adding Villanova the last gasp of the Big East?
When the idea of adding 'Nova was floated and everyone involved looked around and thought "is that the best you can do", the folks involved knew it was over.
The ACC is not that desperate.

That wasn't the Villanova of today that won two national championships since 2016. They're a way more valuable brand than they were back then.

Adding Villanova would only by the tiniest margin be better than adding UConn, but it would still be very bad for the ACC even if they were added with Notre Dame.

Outside the box and Georgetown/BYU football only

(10-21-2020 09:50 AM)bluesox Wrote:  Outside the box and Georgetown/BYU football only

We don't need an additional school outside of football. The only sport besides football that uses divisions is baseball and with Syracuse not fielding a team the divisions are already balanced. No need to add another team in anything but football.

(10-21-2020 04:46 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-20-2020 10:26 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(10-20-2020 09:38 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(10-20-2020 11:28 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(10-20-2020 05:06 AM)XLance Wrote:  The exercise has been interesting, but in reality the eventual #16 wasn't even on the list.
If Notre Dame is the presumed #15, number 16 with out a doubt will be Texas. The question then is: does Oklahoma State accompany Oklahoma to the SEC or will that honor go to the oft mentioned West Virginia?

Without a doubt Texas is the prime target for the ACC. But Texas has other choices and if they don’t come, Navy makes the most sense. My personal favorite is football only Navy plus Georgetown for everything else.

I’d just take Villanova in a soccer stadium.

I'm serious, you'd be much better off taking Temple. Villanova is not committed to anything, and wouldn't likely move up to fbs even for the ACC. That was a one time thing for the Big East, was primarily basketball motivated, and neither their heart nor wallet was in it. Even if they would, 'Nova and their soccer stadium plan would be way worse than Cincy, UConn or Navy. The ACC with ND recruiting for it can do waaay better than 'Nova.

WVU would definitely jump if contractual obligations allowed it and it had an opportunity. Don't know if the ACC would want them though. The ACC with ND might be able to do better than that too. ND has a LOT of pull.

Wasn't adding Villanova the last gasp of the Big East?
When the idea of adding 'Nova was floated and everyone involved looked around and thought "is that the best you can do", the folks involved knew it was over.
The ACC is not that desperate.

No. It was the result of an internal power struggle to pair a school with incoming TCU. It was only the basketball schools, and some others who were self-motivated for other reasons, pushing Villanova to move up as an addition, and they were moving up under its own internally referred to "Duke Plan" (and that was modeled after Duke of the 2000s, not 2010s). That means they were doing it as cheaply as possible with absolutely no intent to even try to be competitive in football. The schools that cared about football and trying to stay in the same hemisphere financially of the other power conferences (specifically Pitt, WVU, and Rutgers), were pushing UCF to go with TCU, which had already joined. Pitt, in fact, was the primary lead in bringing in TCU in the first place. Most hoops schools were opposed to UCF as they wanted to maintain the balance of power split between football and basketball-onlies. USF was opposed for obvious reasons. Louisville was opposed because it recruited heavily in Florida. So with those two aligning with the basketball schools, the votes didn't exist to bring in UCF and that was the breaking point that irrevocably fractured the conference. It was not much different, although magnified to some degree, than what may have happened if UNC and Duke would have forced UConn down the throats of Clemson, FSU, and Georgia Tech instead of going with Louisville.

So no, it was an abomination of an idea then, and it would be now. Temple would be light years better. UConn would actually be better. Navy would be better. If Wake wasn't already it the ACC, Wake would be a log-folds better idea even with three other schools in Carolina. But don't worry, there is zero chance of Villanova moving up. The only reason they were doing it was as a service to hoops side to keep the Big East intact. As that isn't an issue any more, there is zero chance they'd be willing to consider it again even if the opportunity presented itself.

BTW, I don't think you get any current Big East school to come in as a partial/hybrid model any more. Maybe when the Big East was first breaking apart and the future was unknown. But they want to be where they are now, and they don't want to get into a situation where they aren't in control with other like-minded basketball-centered schools, or where they are again locked into a decades long tug-of-war with a football block. The mindset in the Big East is way different than what is talked about in the ACC with UNC-Duke. Be thankful. I really think there is no way you'd get Georgetown, Villanova, or St. John's out of the Big East at this point, and those are the three that matter.

(10-21-2020 11:00 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(10-21-2020 04:46 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-20-2020 10:26 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(10-20-2020 09:38 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(10-20-2020 11:28 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  Without a doubt Texas is the prime target for the ACC. But Texas has other choices and if they don’t come, Navy makes the most sense. My personal favorite is football only Navy plus Georgetown for everything else.

I’d just take Villanova in a soccer stadium.

I'm serious, you'd be much better off taking Temple. Villanova is not committed to anything, and wouldn't likely move up to fbs even for the ACC. That was a one time thing for the Big East, was primarily basketball motivated, and neither their heart nor wallet was in it. Even if they would, 'Nova and their soccer stadium plan would be way worse than Cincy, UConn or Navy. The ACC with ND recruiting for it can do waaay better than 'Nova.

WVU would definitely jump if contractual obligations allowed it and it had an opportunity. Don't know if the ACC would want them though. The ACC with ND might be able to do better than that too. ND has a LOT of pull.

Wasn't adding Villanova the last gasp of the Big East?
When the idea of adding 'Nova was floated and everyone involved looked around and thought "is that the best you can do", the folks involved knew it was over.
The ACC is not that desperate.

It was only the basketball schools, and some others who were self-motivated for other reasons, pushing Villanova as an addition, which was moving up under its internally referred to "Duke Plan" (and that was modeled after Duke of the 2000s, not 2010s), so they were doing it as cheaply as possible with absolutely no intent to even try to be competitive in football. The schools that cared about football and trying to stay in the same hemisphere financially of the other power conferences (specifically Pitt, WVU, and Rutgers), were pushing UCF to go with TCU, which had already joined. Pitt, in fact, was the primary lead in bringing in TCU in the first place. The hoops schools were opposed to UCF as they wanted to maintain the balance of power split between football and basketball-onlies. USF was opposed for obvious reasons. Louisville was opposed because it recruited heavily in Florida. So the votes didn't exist to bring in UCF and it was the breaking point that irrevocably fractured the conference. It was not much different than what may have happened if UNC and Duke would have forced UConn down the throats of Clemson, FSU, and Georgia Tech instead of going with Louisville.

So no, it was an abomination of an idea then, and it would be now. Temple would be light years better. UConn would actually be better. Navy would be better. If Wake wasn't already it the ACC, Wake would be a log-folds better idea even with three other schools in Carolina. But don't worry, there is zero chance of Villanova moving up. The only reason they were doing it was as a service to hoops side to keep the Big East intact. As that isn't an issue any more, there is zero chance they'd be willing to consider it again even if the opportunity presented itself.

BTW, I don't think you get any current Big East school to come in as a partial/hybrid model any more. Maybe when the Big East was first breaking apart and the future was unknown. But they want to be where they are now, and they don't want to get into a situation where they aren't in control with other like-minded basketball-centered schools, or where they are again locked into a decades long tug-of-war with a football block. The mindset in the Big East is way different than what is talked about in the ACC with UNC-Duke. Be thankful. I really think there is no way you'd get Georgetown, Villanova, or St. John's out of the Big East at this point, and those are the three that matter.

Now I know why you are called Crazy!

(10-21-2020 11:52 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-21-2020 11:00 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(10-21-2020 04:46 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-20-2020 10:26 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(10-20-2020 09:38 PM)esayem Wrote:  I’d just take Villanova in a soccer stadium.

I'm serious, you'd be much better off taking Temple. Villanova is not committed to anything, and wouldn't likely move up to fbs even for the ACC. That was a one time thing for the Big East, was primarily basketball motivated, and neither their heart nor wallet was in it. Even if they would, 'Nova and their soccer stadium plan would be way worse than Cincy, UConn or Navy. The ACC with ND recruiting for it can do waaay better than 'Nova.

WVU would definitely jump if contractual obligations allowed it and it had an opportunity. Don't know if the ACC would want them though. The ACC with ND might be able to do better than that too. ND has a LOT of pull.

Wasn't adding Villanova the last gasp of the Big East?
When the idea of adding 'Nova was floated and everyone involved looked around and thought "is that the best you can do", the folks involved knew it was over.
The ACC is not that desperate.

No. It was the result of an internal power struggle to pair a school with incoming TCU. It was only the basketball schools, and some others who were self-motivated for other reasons, pushing Villanova to move up as an addition, and they were moving up under its own internally referred to "Duke Plan" (and that was modeled after Duke of the 2000s, not 2010s). That means they were doing it as cheaply as possible with absolutely no intent to even try to be competitive in football. The schools that cared about football and trying to stay in the same hemisphere financially of the other power conferences (specifically Pitt, WVU, and Rutgers), were pushing UCF to go with TCU, which had already joined. Pitt, in fact, was the primary lead in bringing in TCU in the first place. Most hoops schools were opposed to UCF as they wanted to maintain the balance of power split between football and basketball-onlies. USF was opposed for obvious reasons. Louisville was opposed because it recruited heavily in Florida. So with those two aligning with the basketball schools, the votes didn't exist to bring in UCF and that was the breaking point that irrevocably fractured the conference. It was not much different, although magnified to some degree, than what may have happened if UNC and Duke would have forced UConn down the throats of Clemson, FSU, and Georgia Tech instead of going with Louisville.

So no, it was an abomination of an idea then, and it would be now. Temple would be light years better. UConn would actually be better. Navy would be better. If Wake wasn't already it the ACC, Wake would be a log-folds better idea even with three other schools in Carolina. But don't worry, there is zero chance of Villanova moving up. The only reason they were doing it was as a service to hoops side to keep the Big East intact. As that isn't an issue any more, there is zero chance they'd be willing to consider it again even if the opportunity presented itself.

BTW, I don't think you get any current Big East school to come in as a partial/hybrid model any more. Maybe when the Big East was first breaking apart and the future was unknown. But they want to be where they are now, and they don't want to get into a situation where they aren't in control with other like-minded basketball-centered schools, or where they are again locked into a decades long tug-of-war with a football block. The mindset in the Big East is way different than what is talked about in the ACC with UNC-Duke. Be thankful. I really think there is no way you'd get Georgetown, Villanova, or St. John's out of the Big East at this point, and those are the three that matter.

Now I know why you are called Crazy!

Crazy or not, that is actually what happened. Villanova moving up wasn't the result of a desperate bid to keep the conference together; that push was the final straw the broke the relationship between the football and basketball schools and caused them to run for any viable exit.

It's a split that had nearly played out multiple different times (with different schools involved) over the prior 30 years.

I’d like to know what the ACC intends to do to help narrow the giant revenue gap between what ESPN pays them and what ESPN pays the favorite child, the SEC?

I think the ACC hopes that ND as a full member is going to be the lightning in a bottle that keeps them relevant and In the same universe financially as the leading revenue generators. ND has to be willing to do that and while us non-ND folks see wisdom in the Irish fully consummating their relationship with the ACC, the Fighting Irish hardliners will go on resisting.

If this isn’t attainable, I don’t know how the league gets their tv payouts upped the next time they are up for negotiation. And if ND is going to get preferential treatment what’s to stop Florida St, Clemson, or Miami demanding concessions?

Some folks like to tout Texas as an ACC enhancer but the geography and culture just doesn’t match. Texas vs [insert ACC school] doesn’t have the same sort of appeal as putting them on the same field with TAMU, LSU, and Arkansas.

Any ideas out there about how to up the ACC’s value?

(10-21-2020 08:45 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’d like to know what the ACC intends to do to help narrow the giant revenue gap between what ESPN pays them and what ESPN pays the favorite child, the SEC?

I think the ACC hopes that ND as a full member is going to be the lightning in a bottle that keeps them relevant and In the same universe financially as the leading revenue generators. ND has to be willing to do that and while us non-ND folks see wisdom in the Irish fully consummating their relationship with the ACC, the Fighting Irish hardliners will go on resisting.

If this isn’t attainable, I don’t know how the league gets their tv payouts upped the next time they are up for negotiation. And if ND is going to get preferential treatment what’s to stop Florida St, Clemson, or Miami demanding concessions?

Some folks like to tout Texas as an ACC enhancer but the geography and culture just doesn’t match. Texas vs [insert ACC school] doesn’t have the same sort of appeal as putting them on the same field with TAMU, LSU, and Arkansas.

Any ideas out there about how to up the ACC’s value?

A few pet-peeves, that would help with media payout gaps:
1) stop giving away media-rights at below market-rates (e.g., Raycom)
2) stop subsidizing BIG and SEC bowl payouts (e.g., better Orange Bowl deal)