(10-21-2020 08:45 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’d like to know what the ACC intends to do to help narrow the giant revenue gap between what ESPN pays them and what ESPN pays the favorite child, the SEC?

I think the ACC hopes that ND as a full member is going to be the lightning in a bottle that keeps them relevant and In the same universe financially as the leading revenue generators. ND has to be willing to do that and while us non-ND folks see wisdom in the Irish fully consummating their relationship with the ACC, the Fighting Irish hardliners will go on resisting.

If this isn’t attainable, I don’t know how the league gets their tv payouts upped the next time they are up for negotiation. And if ND is going to get preferential treatment what’s to stop Florida St, Clemson, or Miami demanding concessions?

Some folks like to tout Texas as an ACC enhancer but the geography and culture just doesn’t match. Texas vs [insert ACC school] doesn’t have the same sort of appeal as putting them on the same field with TAMU, LSU, and Arkansas.

Any ideas out there about how to up the ACC’s value?

#15- Notre Dame
#16- Texas

There is no other play that could increase revenue faster or higher than to add that pair. The revenue increases would come primarily through ACCN subscriptions (whether that is the ACCN as a linear cable option or a streaming option in the future).
Even if Texas joins with a Notre Dame type membership, the impact on the network would be the single fastest way to boost revenue for the ACCN as well as for ESPN in general.

(10-22-2020 04:41 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-21-2020 08:45 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’d like to know what the ACC intends to do to help narrow the giant revenue gap between what ESPN pays them and what ESPN pays the favorite child, the SEC?

I think the ACC hopes that ND as a full member is going to be the lightning in a bottle that keeps them relevant and In the same universe financially as the leading revenue generators. ND has to be willing to do that and while us non-ND folks see wisdom in the Irish fully consummating their relationship with the ACC, the Fighting Irish hardliners will go on resisting.

If this isn’t attainable, I don’t know how the league gets their tv payouts upped the next time they are up for negotiation. And if ND is going to get preferential treatment what’s to stop Florida St, Clemson, or Miami demanding concessions?

Some folks like to tout Texas as an ACC enhancer but the geography and culture just doesn’t match. Texas vs [insert ACC school] doesn’t have the same sort of appeal as putting them on the same field with TAMU, LSU, and Arkansas.

Any ideas out there about how to up the ACC’s value?

#15- Notre Dame
#16- Texas

There is no other play that could increase revenue faster or higher than to add that pair. The revenue increases would come primarily through ACCN subscriptions (whether that is the ACCN as a linear cable option or a streaming option in the future).
Even if Texas joins with a Notre Dame type membership, the impact on the network would be the single fastest way to boost revenue for the ACCN as well as for ESPN in general.

Texas doesn’t have much incentive to join the ACC as a full member. But a partial membership with five football games would be the win win scenario. Scheduling might be challenging.

(10-22-2020 02:57 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(10-22-2020 04:41 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-21-2020 08:45 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’d like to know what the ACC intends to do to help narrow the giant revenue gap between what ESPN pays them and what ESPN pays the favorite child, the SEC?

I think the ACC hopes that ND as a full member is going to be the lightning in a bottle that keeps them relevant and In the same universe financially as the leading revenue generators. ND has to be willing to do that and while us non-ND folks see wisdom in the Irish fully consummating their relationship with the ACC, the Fighting Irish hardliners will go on resisting.

If this isn’t attainable, I don’t know how the league gets their tv payouts upped the next time they are up for negotiation. And if ND is going to get preferential treatment what’s to stop Florida St, Clemson, or Miami demanding concessions?

Some folks like to tout Texas as an ACC enhancer but the geography and culture just doesn’t match. Texas vs [insert ACC school] doesn’t have the same sort of appeal as putting them on the same field with TAMU, LSU, and Arkansas.

Any ideas out there about how to up the ACC’s value?

#15- Notre Dame
#16- Texas

There is no other play that could increase revenue faster or higher than to add that pair. The revenue increases would come primarily through ACCN subscriptions (whether that is the ACCN as a linear cable option or a streaming option in the future).
Even if Texas joins with a Notre Dame type membership, the impact on the network would be the single fastest way to boost revenue for the ACCN as well as for ESPN in general.

Texas doesn’t have much incentive to join the ACC as a full member. But a partial membership with five football games would be the win win scenario. Scheduling might be challenging.

Why would scheduling be a challenge?

The obsession with more revenue, when it is offset by greater costs is mindboggling to me.

(10-22-2020 03:47 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(10-22-2020 02:57 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(10-22-2020 04:41 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-21-2020 08:45 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’d like to know what the ACC intends to do to help narrow the giant revenue gap between what ESPN pays them and what ESPN pays the favorite child, the SEC?

I think the ACC hopes that ND as a full member is going to be the lightning in a bottle that keeps them relevant and In the same universe financially as the leading revenue generators. ND has to be willing to do that and while us non-ND folks see wisdom in the Irish fully consummating their relationship with the ACC, the Fighting Irish hardliners will go on resisting.

If this isn’t attainable, I don’t know how the league gets their tv payouts upped the next time they are up for negotiation. And if ND is going to get preferential treatment what’s to stop Florida St, Clemson, or Miami demanding concessions?

Some folks like to tout Texas as an ACC enhancer but the geography and culture just doesn’t match. Texas vs [insert ACC school] doesn’t have the same sort of appeal as putting them on the same field with TAMU, LSU, and Arkansas.

Any ideas out there about how to up the ACC’s value?

#15- Notre Dame
#16- Texas

There is no other play that could increase revenue faster or higher than to add that pair. The revenue increases would come primarily through ACCN subscriptions (whether that is the ACCN as a linear cable option or a streaming option in the future).
Even if Texas joins with a Notre Dame type membership, the impact on the network would be the single fastest way to boost revenue for the ACCN as well as for ESPN in general.

Texas doesn’t have much incentive to join the ACC as a full member. But a partial membership with five football games would be the win win scenario. Scheduling might be challenging.

Why would scheduling be a challenge?

Maybe not. I was thinking about a scenario where Texas and ND games counted as conference games. Probably not gonna happen.

(10-22-2020 03:52 PM)Statefan Wrote:  The obsession with more revenue, when it is offset by greater costs is mindboggling to me.

That’s because you are a NC State fan. It doesn’t cost anywhere near as much to be mediocre for 30+ years in revenue sports as it does to build a championship winning program.

Texas in the ACC? Why would Texas give up ruling the Big XII to be an “equal” in the ACC? I would pay to see their arrogant fans suffer when they see ACC teams on their schedule but let’s be realistic, it’s not happening. Texas knows they have four better choices and the ACC is not one of them.

(10-22-2020 08:34 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Texas in the ACC? Why would Texas give up ruling the Big XII to be an “equal” in the ACC? I would pay to see their arrogant fans suffer when they see ACC teams on their schedule but let’s be realistic, it’s not happening. Texas knows they have four better choices and the ACC is not one of them.

To borrow the answer from another thread:

PRESTIGE

Moll's original list of Public Ivy League schools consisted of the following 15 schools (listed below in alphabetical order):

College of William and Mary (Williamsburg, VA)
Miami University (Oxford, OH)
University of California system:
UC Berkeley
UC Davis
UC Irvine
UCLA
UC Riverside
UC San Diego
UC Santa Barbara
UC Santa Cruz
University of Michigan (Ann Arbor)
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
University of Texas at Austin
University of Vermont (Burlington)
University of Virginia (Charlottesville)



PAC=2
B1G=1
SEC=0
Big 12=1 (Texas themselves)
ACC=2


Moll also identified nine "worthy runners-up," or public colleges and universities that were very high quality but fell just short of Public Ivy status. These were as follows:

Binghamton University (New York; also known as SUNY Binghamton)
Georgia Institute of Technology (Atlanta)
New College of Florida (Sarasota; originally New College of the University of South Florida)
Pennsylvania State University (University Park)
University of Colorado Boulder
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
University of Pittsburgh (Pennsylvania)
University of Washington (Seattle)
University of Wisconsin–Madison



Totals:
Big 12=1 Texas themselves
PAC=4 plus two elite privates (Stanford, USC)
B1G=4 plus one elite private (Northwestern)
SEC=0 plus one elite private (Vanderbilt)
ACC=4 plus five elite privates (Boston College, Wake Forest, Duke, Miami, Notre Dame)

(10-23-2020 04:58 AM)XLance Wrote:  New College of Florida (Sarasota; originally New College of the University of South Florida)

FWIW, New College was originally, in the 1960s, a private school loosely affiliated with the United Church of Christ.

However, in the early 1970s, it fell deep in to debt, and so USF essentially bought it out, absorbing it in to the USF system though the agreement called for a large measure of autonomy. New College then thrived, its reputation soared, but also chafed, because it was formally a part of what was then-regarded as basically an overgrown community college (USF) with no national prestige.

So around 2000, as part of a big Florida system reorganization, New College was granted its independence from USF (USF got screwed in other ways then too, we had little clout at the State Capitol) and is now the entity that you list above.

Funny thing is, New College's status doesn't have quite the same shine as it did before it broke off from us. It had its peak years of prestige while a branch of USF. The last 20 years of "freedom" has seen it sink a bit. It ain't what it used to be. In contrast, USF's standing has markedly improved during that time. We've never been held in higher regard.

Go figure.

(10-23-2020 04:58 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-22-2020 08:34 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Texas in the ACC? Why would Texas give up ruling the Big XII to be an “equal” in the ACC? I would pay to see their arrogant fans suffer when they see ACC teams on their schedule but let’s be realistic, it’s not happening. Texas knows they have four better choices and the ACC is not one of them.

To borrow the answer from another thread:

PRESTIGE

Moll's original list of Public Ivy League schools consisted of the following 15 schools (listed below in alphabetical order):

College of William and Mary (Williamsburg, VA)
Miami University (Oxford, OH)
University of California system:
UC Berkeley
UC Davis
UC Irvine
UCLA
UC Riverside
UC San Diego
UC Santa Barbara
UC Santa Cruz
University of Michigan (Ann Arbor)
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
University of Texas at Austin
University of Vermont (Burlington)
University of Virginia (Charlottesville)



PAC=2
B1G=1
SEC=0
Big 12=1 (Texas themselves)
ACC=2


Moll also identified nine "worthy runners-up," or public colleges and universities that were very high quality but fell just short of Public Ivy status. These were as follows:

Binghamton University (New York; also known as SUNY Binghamton)
Georgia Institute of Technology (Atlanta)
New College of Florida (Sarasota; originally New College of the University of South Florida)
Pennsylvania State University (University Park)
University of Colorado Boulder
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
University of Pittsburgh (Pennsylvania)
University of Washington (Seattle)
University of Wisconsin–Madison



Totals:
Big 12=1 Texas themselves
PAC=4 plus two elite privates (Stanford, USC)
B1G=4 plus one elite private (Northwestern)
SEC=0 plus one elite private (Vanderbilt)
ACC=4 plus five elite privates (Boston College, Wake Forest, Duke, Miami, Notre Dame)

Academic prestige could be a motivator. I always wondered whether the University of Florida’s continued rise in academic standing would make it a candidate for realignment. But then the SEC brings in more AAU schools and keeps the East Division as the UF-UGA playground.

Although prestige is a consideration, it’s not a linear variable. In other words, different schools attain different levels of benefit from the academic standing of their conference peers. For example, UVA is a blue-blood, relatively well-off institution that prioritizes (is more snobbish?) prestige. UT- Austin is more new money with more recent academic accolades...they seem very comfortable in their B12 dominion.

(10-23-2020 08:44 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(10-23-2020 04:58 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-22-2020 08:34 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Texas in the ACC? Why would Texas give up ruling the Big XII to be an “equal” in the ACC? I would pay to see their arrogant fans suffer when they see ACC teams on their schedule but let’s be realistic, it’s not happening. Texas knows they have four better choices and the ACC is not one of them.

To borrow the answer from another thread:

PRESTIGE

Moll's original list of Public Ivy League schools consisted of the following 15 schools (listed below in alphabetical order):

College of William and Mary (Williamsburg, VA)
Miami University (Oxford, OH)
University of California system:
UC Berkeley
UC Davis
UC Irvine
UCLA
UC Riverside
UC San Diego
UC Santa Barbara
UC Santa Cruz
University of Michigan (Ann Arbor)
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
University of Texas at Austin
University of Vermont (Burlington)
University of Virginia (Charlottesville)



PAC=2
B1G=1
SEC=0
Big 12=1 (Texas themselves)
ACC=2


Moll also identified nine "worthy runners-up," or public colleges and universities that were very high quality but fell just short of Public Ivy status. These were as follows:

Binghamton University (New York; also known as SUNY Binghamton)
Georgia Institute of Technology (Atlanta)
New College of Florida (Sarasota; originally New College of the University of South Florida)
Pennsylvania State University (University Park)
University of Colorado Boulder
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
University of Pittsburgh (Pennsylvania)
University of Washington (Seattle)
University of Wisconsin–Madison



Totals:
Big 12=1 Texas themselves
PAC=4 plus two elite privates (Stanford, USC)
B1G=4 plus one elite private (Northwestern)
SEC=0 plus one elite private (Vanderbilt)
ACC=4 plus five elite privates (Boston College, Wake Forest, Duke, Miami, Notre Dame)

Academic prestige could be a motivator. I always wondered whether the University of Florida’s continued rise in academic standing would make it a candidate for realignment. But then the SEC brings in more AAU schools and keeps the East Division as the UF-UGA playground.

Although prestige is a consideration, it’s not a linear variable. In other words, different schools attain different levels of benefit from the academic standing of their conference peers. For example, UVA is a blue-blood, relatively well-off institution that prioritizes (is more snobbish?) prestige. UT- Austin is more new money with more recent academic accolades...they seem very comfortable in their B12 dominion.

Texas is the perfect candidate, an opportunity to trade up peers, and still maintain an air of superiority (and autonomy) within their own region.

(10-20-2020 05:06 AM)XLance Wrote:  The exercise has been interesting, but in reality the eventual #16 wasn't even on the list.
If Notre Dame is the presumed #15, number 16 with out a doubt will be Texas. The question then is: does Oklahoma State accompany Oklahoma to the SEC or will that honor go to the oft mentioned West Virginia?

There is no way that Texas would ever go to the ACC. In my opinion the logical choice after Notre Dame is West Virginia.

(10-23-2020 12:43 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(10-20-2020 05:06 AM)XLance Wrote:  The exercise has been interesting, but in reality the eventual #16 wasn't even on the list.
If Notre Dame is the presumed #15, number 16 with out a doubt will be Texas. The question then is: does Oklahoma State accompany Oklahoma to the SEC or will that honor go to the oft mentioned West Virginia?

There is no way that Texas would ever go to the ACC. In my opinion the logical choice after Notre Dame is West Virginia.

I don't pretend to know the "mind of Texas".
What I do know is that Texas is bound to ESPN for another 10-11 years. The ACC is bound to ESPN for another 15-16 years.
ESPN will need to reduce overhead and try to maximize profits as they transition their business model because of the reduction of cable subscribers.

If you start to merge the thought processes of University Presidents who we are told are looking to enhance their schools prestige, and hard core business folks that are attempting to generate profits, the result may be to move in a direction that no one ever thought possible.

(10-24-2020 05:40 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-23-2020 12:43 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(10-20-2020 05:06 AM)XLance Wrote:  The exercise has been interesting, but in reality the eventual #16 wasn't even on the list.
If Notre Dame is the presumed #15, number 16 with out a doubt will be Texas. The question then is: does Oklahoma State accompany Oklahoma to the SEC or will that honor go to the oft mentioned West Virginia?

There is no way that Texas would ever go to the ACC. In my opinion the logical choice after Notre Dame is West Virginia.

I don't pretend to know the "mind of Texas".
What I do know is that Texas is bound to ESPN for another 10-11 years. The ACC is bound to ESPN for another 15-16 years.
ESPN will need to reduce overhead and try to maximize profits as they transition their business model because of the reduction of cable subscribers.

If you start to merge the thought processes of University Presidents who we are told are looking to enhance their schools prestige, and hard core business folks that are attempting to generate profits, the result may be to move in a direction that no one ever thought possible.

IF Oklahoma leaves the Big XII first, and IF Texas doesn't feel comfortable following TAMU to the SEC, THEN a 5-game deal with the ACC (like ND) is a viable option for the Longhorns, IMO.

It’s clear, by the voting, that Cincinnati and West Virginia are the 15th and 16th members of the ACC. How would Divisions be divided... 2 sets of 8, 4 sets of four, where would teams go?

NORTH
Boston College
Syracuse
West Virginia
Pitt
——————————-
Cincinnati
Louisville
Virginia
Va. Tech
SOUTH
North Carolina
N.C. State
Duke
Wake Forest
——————————-
Ga. Tech
Clemson
Florida St.
Miami

(10-24-2020 07:53 AM)army56mike Wrote:  It’s clear, by the voting, that Cincinnati and West Virginia are the 15th and 16th members of the ACC. How would Divisions be divided... 2 sets of 8, 4 sets of four, where would teams go?

NORTH
Boston College
Syracuse
West Virginia
Pitt
——————————-
Cincinnati
Louisville
Virginia
Va. Tech
SOUTH
North Carolina
N.C. State
Duke
Wake Forest
——————————-
Ga. Tech
Clemson
Florida St.
Miami

This sounds logical and gets the Big XII down to 9 and the American down to 10 nicely. Where both will likely stay.

(10-24-2020 06:57 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-24-2020 05:40 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-23-2020 12:43 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(10-20-2020 05:06 AM)XLance Wrote:  The exercise has been interesting, but in reality the eventual #16 wasn't even on the list.
If Notre Dame is the presumed #15, number 16 with out a doubt will be Texas. The question then is: does Oklahoma State accompany Oklahoma to the SEC or will that honor go to the oft mentioned West Virginia?

There is no way that Texas would ever go to the ACC. In my opinion the logical choice after Notre Dame is West Virginia.

I don't pretend to know the "mind of Texas".
What I do know is that Texas is bound to ESPN for another 10-11 years. The ACC is bound to ESPN for another 15-16 years.
ESPN will need to reduce overhead and try to maximize profits as they transition their business model because of the reduction of cable subscribers.

If you start to merge the thought processes of University Presidents who we are told are looking to enhance their schools prestige, and hard core business folks that are attempting to generate profits, the result may be to move in a direction that no one ever thought possible.

IF Oklahoma leaves the Big XII first, and IF Texas doesn't feel comfortable following TAMU to the SEC, THEN a 5-game deal with the ACC (like ND) is a viable option for the Longhorns, IMO.

If Oklahoma leaves and Texas doesn’t it makes more sense for Texas to go Indy and do a 5 game deal with the Big 12.

(10-24-2020 06:10 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If Oklahoma leaves and Texas doesn’t it makes more sense for Texas to go Indy and do a 5 game deal with the Big 12.

If Texas takes its FB out of the Big 12 to go indy, it doesn't have to make a deal with the rest of the conference. Are they going to vote Texas out?

That said, it's in UT's own interest to play schools in Texas, so you'd get at least 3 games probably.

(10-24-2020 06:56 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(10-24-2020 06:10 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If Oklahoma leaves and Texas doesn’t it makes more sense for Texas to go Indy and do a 5 game deal with the Big 12.

If Texas takes its FB out of the Big 12 to go indy, it doesn't have to make a deal with the rest of the conference. Are they going to vote Texas out?

That said, it's in UT's own interest to play schools in Texas, so you'd get at least 3 games probably.

I think Muskie meant Texas would remain in the XII as a non-football member and go independent in football.