Oh the double standards. I'm hesitant to even bring this up because it wouldn't surprise me if our admin ever did it- but how would this board feel about a 2 for 1 with a DII school like Virginia State?

Like it (some do) or not (some don't) we're a tier below FBS yet would expect an FBS school to condescend to play at our school when we'd never consider (I hope) playing at a DII school?

(09-14-2019 01:10 PM)2Buck Wrote:  Oh the double standards. I'm hesitant to even bring this up because it wouldn't surprise me if our admin ever did it- but how would this board feel about a 2 for 1 with a DII school like Virginia State?

Like it (some do) or not (some don't) we're a tier below FBS yet would expect an FBS school to condescend to play at our school when we'd never consider (I hope) playing at a DII school?

You know, and yes I know we're just kickin' schit around right now til kickoff, but I'd have more interest in our playing a game with a Mount Union, or that other perennial contender than I do with a Morgan St or Lock Haven.

Be interesting to see how the D-III bullies stack up against a good 1-AA team. Just spitballing

No, no reason to waste an OOC game at a lower division at their place, even in a 2 for 1.

Not suggesting it would ever happen, ever. But it would be interesting to see how they'd stack up.

Maybe W&M or RU can play them and we get an idea?!?

(09-14-2019 10:56 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(09-14-2019 08:50 AM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  Why can't JMU play Marshall like ODU does?

Most, if not all, FBS conferences have rules against playing road games at FCS schools

I doubt there are any written rules, just the unwritten rules that dictate it is taboo.

(09-14-2019 07:42 AM)Ashby Hall Wrote:  

(09-14-2019 12:29 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  QUICK AND EASY FACT: No IA school is going to set foot in Harrisburg VA while JMU is still in the CAA. Not Liberty, not UConn, not UMass and not ODU.

Enjoy bringing more teams like Morgan State in.

And no Marshall thank goodness. A team from a "college" that was created so the steelworkers in Huntington could have a football team to root for. They have been irrelevant ever since they moved up.

Marshall had/has done more than JMU ever thought of doing. Won 2 National Titles when you had only made the playoffs 4 times then. Also Marshall was JMUs 1st playoff loss in 1987, 41-7.

Marshall:
8 playoffs from 1987-1996
29 total playoff games 23-6
2 National Titles
2 Walter Payton Awards
In the polls from 1991-1996 with no weeks out, 61 of those weeks either 1 or 2
#1 from week 1 to the National Title Game in 1996

IA
8 Conference Titles
3 Heisman Finalists
1 Sammy Baugh Award winner
1 Biletnikoff Award winner
1 Nagurski Award winner
Finished Ranked in the polls 10 out of 19 years, RV in 2 others
Finished Ranked 10th in 1999
4 1 loss seasons
Highest winning % at home in all of IA
27 Draft picks, 2 1st round and 6 2nd round picks
Best winning % in bowls with a min of 10 games
14 Bowl Games in 19 years
12-2 in Bowls

If Marshall never moved up we would have done what NDSU is doing right now but the school and admin had higher asperations than that. Everyone knew in 1988 when Joan C Edwards stadium was approved that we would be IA someday, that happened to be after the 1996 season.

Like I said enjoy bringing in more Morgan State's and sharing a conference with the likes of Rhode Island, Maine and Richmond. None of which has a football tradition. My guess is Stony Brook or Albany try and move to IA before JMU does.

And just incase you wanna try and take a jab at academics:

Marshall: R2 National University: Classification
James Madison: Masters College and Universies, Reginal University: Classification

Calling BDK!

(09-16-2019 02:15 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(09-14-2019 07:42 AM)Ashby Hall Wrote:  

(09-14-2019 12:29 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  QUICK AND EASY FACT: No IA school is going to set foot in Harrisburg VA while JMU is still in the CAA. Not Liberty, not UConn, not UMass and not ODU.

Enjoy bringing more teams like Morgan State in.

And no Marshall thank goodness. A team from a "college" that was created so the steelworkers in Huntington could have a football team to root for. They have been irrelevant ever since they moved up.

Marshall had/has done more than JMU ever thought of doing. Won 2 National Titles when you had only made the playoffs 4 times then. Also Marshall was JMUs 1st playoff loss in 1987, 41-7.

Marshall:
8 playoffs from 1987-1996
29 total playoff games 23-6
2 National Titles
2 Walter Payton Awards
In the polls from 1991-1996 with no weeks out, 61 of those weeks either 1 or 2
#1 from week 1 to the National Title Game in 1996

IA
8 Conference Titles
3 Heisman Finalists
1 Sammy Baugh Award winner
1 Biletnikoff Award winner
1 Nagurski Award winner
Finished Ranked in the polls 10 out of 19 years, RV in 2 others
Finished Ranked 10th in 1999
4 1 loss seasons
Highest winning % at home in all of IA
27 Draft picks, 2 1st round and 6 2nd round picks
Best winning % in bowls with a min of 10 games
14 Bowl Games in 19 years
12-2 in Bowls

If Marshall never moved up we would have done what NDSU is doing right now but the school and admin had higher asperations than that. Everyone knew in 1988 when Joan C Edwards stadium was approved that we would be IA someday, that happened to be after the 1996 season.

Like I said enjoy bringing in more Morgan State's and sharing a conference with the likes of Rhode Island, Maine and Richmond. None of which has a football tradition. My guess is Stony Brook or Albany try and move to IA before JMU does.

And just incase you wanna try and take a jab at academics:

Marshall: R2 National University: Classification
James Madison: Masters College and Universies, Reginal University: Classification

Since you brought up Academics -

Marshall Average SAT = 1020
JMU Average SAT = 1180

Night and day.

Marshall SATs

JMU SATs

love the reginal universities

(09-16-2019 02:15 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  And just incase you wanna try and take a jab at academics:

Marshall: R2 National University: Classification
James Madison: Masters College and Universies, Reginal University: Classification

What a tool.

That classification just means you're spending money towards research and doctoral programs. It has nothing to do with the quality of those programs. Or your students.

Hence your not even being ranked in the national classification- you're dumped in a bucket with all the other bottom feeders. Even ODU is ranked higher than you, so I'd shut up about your new designation (even though I'm jealous you're at least classified as national).

(09-14-2019 08:50 AM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  Why can't JMU play Marshall like ODU does?

You do know the reason ODU plays Marshall is because we're in the same conference as well as in the same division of CUSA right?

(09-14-2019 01:38 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(09-14-2019 10:56 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(09-14-2019 08:50 AM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  Why can't JMU play Marshall like ODU does?

Most, if not all, FBS conferences have rules against playing road games at FCS schools

I doubt there are any written rules, just the unwritten rules that dictate it is taboo.

I don't think it's uncommon for mid-major basketball coach's to have clauses in their contracts that if he leaves before his contract is up, the school he goes to needs to play a H &H. As an example Shaka Smart left VCU for Texas, VCU gets to play Texas, same with Will Wade, we get to play LSU twice. Sure the school can always buy out of the deal but it's usually not worth it when it's like $1.5M.

It would be great to get to play TSU and ECU.

I wonder what the reasons are for football contracts not to have a similar type clause.

A fine history indeed. Booted from the MAC in the late 60s. And how many times has Marshall been put on probation?
#MopsForProps, #MarshallReynolds.

(09-16-2019 03:16 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  

(09-14-2019 01:38 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(09-14-2019 10:56 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(09-14-2019 08:50 AM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  Why can't JMU play Marshall like ODU does?

Most, if not all, FBS conferences have rules against playing road games at FCS schools

I doubt there are any written rules, just the unwritten rules that dictate it is taboo.

I don't think it's uncommon for mid-major basketball coach's to have clauses in their contracts that if he leaves before his contract is up, the school he goes to needs to play a H &H. As an example Shaka Smart left VCU for Texas, VCU gets to play Texas, same with Will Wade, we get to play LSU twice. Sure the school can always buy out of the deal but it's usually not worth it when it's like $1.5M.

It would be great to get to play TSU and ECU.

I wonder what the reasons are for football contracts not to have a similar type clause.

Like all negotiations, partly depends on who wants the deal more, and what each side sees as reasonable. Would think its possible if the coach and their agent agree.

It may be its generally not seen as reasonable due to the smaller number of games, and schedules often being set 4 years or more in advance, or due to the cost involved, etc.

Or it might simply be that schools have not been pushing for it during contract negotiations.

And put on the map because of a transfer they never would’ve have if they weren’t D1AA at the time and Randy Moss didn’t need a place to play and instant eligibility.

(09-16-2019 03:16 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  

(09-14-2019 01:38 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(09-14-2019 10:56 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(09-14-2019 08:50 AM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  Why can't JMU play Marshall like ODU does?

Most, if not all, FBS conferences have rules against playing road games at FCS schools

I doubt there are any written rules, just the unwritten rules that dictate it is taboo.

I don't think it's uncommon for mid-major basketball coach's to have clauses in their contracts that if he leaves before his contract is up, the school he goes to needs to play a H &H. As an example Shaka Smart left VCU for Texas, VCU gets to play Texas, same with Will Wade, we get to play LSU twice. Sure the school can always buy out of the deal but it's usually not worth it when it's like $1.5M.

It would be great to get to play TSU and ECU.

I wonder what the reasons are for football contracts not to have a similar type clause.

I'm not here to debate why Marshall football program is head and shoulders above JMU, any logical football fan would already understand this.

As for the bold part about why this isn't done in football. WKU actually does this with their football from what I understand. I know they've landed a few home-home games with P5 schools because of it.

It would never work for an FCS program though. FBS schools are not going to go play at FCS schools. If we were to play at an FCS school JMU and North Dakota State are the only ones I would be ok with playing at though.

Best of luck this year. I'll be tuning in after first round or so of the playoffs.

(09-16-2019 04:03 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  I'm not here to debate why Marshall football program is head and shoulders above JMU, any logical football fan would already understand this.

How can Marshall be head & shoulders above JMU if JMU would beat Marshall head to head EASILY?

(09-16-2019 04:03 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(09-16-2019 03:16 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  

(09-14-2019 01:38 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(09-14-2019 10:56 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(09-14-2019 08:50 AM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  Why can't JMU play Marshall like ODU does?

Most, if not all, FBS conferences have rules against playing road games at FCS schools

I doubt there are any written rules, just the unwritten rules that dictate it is taboo.

I don't think it's uncommon for mid-major basketball coach's to have clauses in their contracts that if he leaves before his contract is up, the school he goes to needs to play a H &H. As an example Shaka Smart left VCU for Texas, VCU gets to play Texas, same with Will Wade, we get to play LSU twice. Sure the school can always buy out of the deal but it's usually not worth it when it's like $1.5M.

It would be great to get to play TSU and ECU.

I wonder what the reasons are for football contracts not to have a similar type clause.

I'm not here to debate why Marshall football program is head and shoulders above JMU, any logical football fan would already understand this.

As for the bold part about why this isn't done in football. WKU actually does this with their football from what I understand. I know they've landed a few home-home games with P5 schools because of it.

It would never work for an FCS program though. FBS schools are not going to go play at FCS schools. If we were to play at an FCS school JMU and North Dakota State are the only ones I would be ok with playing at though.

Best of luck this year. I'll be tuning in after first round or so of the playoffs.

This would have been something to discuss between Bourne and the Texas State AD when EW was leaving. As it is, someone reported on here that TX State/EW simply asked to have the contracted amount due to JMU reduced and we kindly caved.

(09-16-2019 06:18 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(09-16-2019 04:03 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  I'm not here to debate why Marshall football program is head and shoulders above JMU, any logical football fan would already understand this.

How can Marshall be head & shoulders above JMU if JMU would beat Marshall head to head EASILY?

Sure thing Colgate.