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I know how the attendance in that conference is. I know Eastern Michigan has Pepsi buying 1000s of tickets to get the numbers up to the requirements, I know Miami did the same and others do too; I also know from watching so many of those TV games that were played in front of sparse crowds that I don’t care to look up fake numbers. The NCAA requires a minimum of 15000/game on average, but they only had to meet that every second year and teams still couldn’t get close to it with true ticket sales. The NCAA pretty much gave up that fight and doesn’t use the hollow scare tactics anymore that I know of. BTW, I came up with those Miami links in 2 minutes of a google search.

http://www.annarbor.com/news/eastern-mic...ttendance/
09-13-2019 11:47 AM
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(09-13-2019 11:47 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  I know how the attendance in that conference is. I know Eastern Michigan has Pepsi buying 1000s of tickets to get the numbers up to the requirements, I know Miami did the same and others do too; I also know from watching so many of those TV games that were played in front of sparse crowds that I don’t care to look up fake numbers. The NCAA requires a minimum of 15000/game on average, but they only had to meet that every second year and teams still couldn’t get close to it with true ticket sales. The NCAA pretty much gave up that fight and doesn’t use the hollow scare tactics anymore that I know of. BTW, I came up with those Miami links in 2 minutes of a google search.

http://www.annarbor.com/news/eastern-mic...ttendance/

Understand that MAC attendance is bad for FBS, maybe even abysmal.

The question I have is whether this is really caused by the mid-week games, or just maybe the MAC sucks in general in attendance. Published numbers suggest they don't necessarily do much better on Saturday afternoons. 5k on a Saturday is atrocious, even if there was rain.
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A 2-4 team hosting a 1-5 team will not draw flies. Plus the MAC is second fiddle to Ohio State (lesser note Michigan and Notre Dame), if they’re playing at the same time nobody shows up. Poor attendance already is only made worse with the midweek games. The low attendance wouldn’t be so bad if people felt they could get behind their team and show up all season, but the current system hampers all of that so many just don’t show up at all.

More MAC attendance:

“Teddy Cahill, Ball State Daily News reporter, recently reported that Eastern Michigan has a provision in their “distribution contract with Pepsi requiring the company to buy $150,000 worth of tickets every year,” which the school counts as 45,000 sold tickets.”

“In 2015, we wrote about the NCAA's football attendance mandate, which requires FBS schools to average at least 15,000 fans per game once every two years. The rule, which was described to us by a longtime former athletic director as "out of date," results in plenty of schools that go to extreme measures to meet the minimum.

Some, as Akron did in 2013, purchase the tickets themselves, and others sell heavily discounted seats to corporate partners. In 2015, the Zips went the extra mile by sending free season tickets — 9,000 in all — to recent graduates. (Those tactics are all well within the rules, which is one of the reasons the mandate seems silly.)”


And this one was a beauty, Kent State hired a promotional firm to run their 90Ksu drive to get to 90000 tickets for their 6 home games, 15000/game. When they fell woefully short they cut a check to the same promotional firm for $113000 to cover them buying 21000. That firm then gave the tickets away for free. Questions are there of which came first the free ticket or the check, because they couldn’t possibly know how many unsold tickets they’d need bought until after the season yet they claim they bought them up front and handed them out. Funny, I still have my 90Ksu T-shirt and stickers as I bought tickets in that drive thinking it actually meant something, but since then we haven’t heard boo about reaching the 15000 barrier that the NCAA doesn’t enforce. Oh, no the icing on the cake was $10000 in bonuses paid out to the AD for increasing ticket sales that year. The same AD now in the news over the field hockey game being called over fireworks for the football game.

“The NCAA Division I membership requirement (20.9.7.3) mandates that “once every two years on a rolling basis, the institution shall average at least 15,000 in actual attendance or paid attendance for all football home games. In meeting the football attendance requirements of the football bowl subdivision, an institution must undertake an annual certified audit verifying its football attendance.”

In order to meet the NCAA-mandated minimum requirement of averaging 15,000 attendance for home football games, the Kent State football team has sought outside financial help.

A few years ago, Kent State used more than $113,000 of its own money to reach a paid attendance of just over 90,000. Now in recent years, Kent State’s athletic department has used department money, provided by corporate partners and sponsors, to buy its own tickets to meet this NCAA attendance requirement.”

http://www.kentwired.com/latest_updates/...mode=story
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My curiosity is more about how mid-week games impact attendance (or not), than how poor the MAC is overall.

ECU has a Thursday night game in Oct this year against Temple, will be interesting to see what they draw. They had 34k this week in their home opener (which doesn't sound inflated).
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Thursday nights not too bad as students start the weekend early, but Tuesday and Wednesday nights are horrible. Plus it really screws up the players routine. And those MAC attendance figures are directly and indirectly related to the midweek games IMO.
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(09-12-2019 11:51 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  I was there...great view...that FG was absolutely good

Didn‘t they have lower goalposts back then? Thats what I seem to remember feom the 80s/early 90s..
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College Football Playoff Money Distributions 2018-2019

Conference USA $ 15,604,838
Mid-American Conference $ 14,129,881
Sun Belt Conference $ 17,079,796
Big South Conference $ 263,218
Colonial Conference $ 263,218
Patriot League $ 263,218
Liberty University $ 310,396

Total CFP Distribution $ 462,433,107
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(09-13-2019 02:12 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(09-12-2019 11:51 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  I was there...great view...that FG was absolutely good

Didn‘t they have lower goalposts back then? Thats what I seem to remember feom the 80s/early 90s..

Wow, that's a new one. I'll be interested in the answer.
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(09-13-2019 03:30 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  
(09-13-2019 02:12 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(09-12-2019 11:51 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  I was there...great view...that FG was absolutely good

Didn‘t they have lower goalposts back then? Thats what I seem to remember feom the 80s/early 90s..

Wow, that's a new one. I'll be interested in the answer.

Let me rephrase- what I wanted to ask was didn’t the height of the vertical posts not extend up as high back then? Not talking about the crossbar height..
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Correct. The uprights were shorter.
And I concur that the kick was good from my view on the sideline.
I could not believe the ref called it no good real time and then I watched it many times on video. The kick was good.

Check out the 6:30 mark of this game against Ga Southern and you can see an extra point from behind the endzone. The short uprights are good for a belly laugh.

And for the uniform junkies, check out the gold, purple, gold outfit. Even with grainy video the gold pants are much better than the puke yellow that JMU has adopted now.



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QUICK AND EASY FACT: No IA school is going to set foot in Harrisburg VA while JMU is still in the CAA. Not Liberty, not UConn, not UMass and not ODU.

Enjoy bringing more teams like Morgan State in.
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(09-14-2019 12:29 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  QUICK AND EASY FACT: No IA school is going to set foot in Harrisburg VA while JMU is still in the CAA. Not Liberty, not UConn, not UMass and not ODU.

Enjoy bringing more teams like Morgan State in.



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(09-14-2019 12:29 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  QUICK AND EASY FACT: No IA school is going to set foot in Harrisburg VA while JMU is still in the CAA. Not Liberty, not UConn, not UMass and not ODU.

Enjoy bringing more teams like Morgan State in.

And no Marshall thank goodness. A team from a "college" that was created so the steelworkers in Huntington could have a football team to root for. They have been irrelevant ever since they moved up.
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(09-14-2019 07:42 AM)Ashby Hall Wrote:  
(09-14-2019 12:29 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  QUICK AND EASY FACT: No IA school is going to set foot in Harrisburg VA while JMU is still in the CAA. Not Liberty, not UConn, not UMass and not ODU.

Enjoy bringing more teams like Morgan State in.

And no Marshall thank goodness. A team from a "college" that was created so the steelworkers in Huntington could have a football team to root for. They have been irrelevant ever since they moved up.

At least they moved up. Marshall was once a big fish in this ridiculously small pond. They made the right decision to move up. Where they go from here is their business.
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Why can't JMU play Marshall like ODU does?
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(09-14-2019 08:50 AM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  Why can't JMU play Marshall like ODU does?

They don't want to lose to an FCS team.
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(09-13-2019 04:21 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(09-13-2019 03:30 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  
(09-13-2019 02:12 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(09-12-2019 11:51 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  I was there...great view...that FG was absolutely good

Didn‘t they have lower goalposts back then? Thats what I seem to remember feom the 80s/early 90s..

Wow, that's a new one. I'll be interested in the answer.

Let me rephrase- what I wanted to ask was didn’t the height of the vertical posts not extend up as high back then? Not talking about the crossbar height..

As much my mistake as yours. Thanks the clarification.
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(09-14-2019 08:50 AM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  Why can't JMU play Marshall like ODU does?

Most, if not all, FBS conferences have rules against playing road games at FCS schools
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(09-14-2019 07:42 AM)Ashby Hall Wrote:  
(09-14-2019 12:29 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  QUICK AND EASY FACT: No IA school is going to set foot in Harrisburg VA while JMU is still in the CAA. Not Liberty, not UConn, not UMass and not ODU.

Enjoy bringing more teams like Morgan State in.

And no Marshall thank goodness. A team from a "college" that was created so the steelworkers in Huntington could have a football team to root for. They have been irrelevant ever since they moved up.

Ok... that last sentence is absolutely not true... Marshall dominated the MAC from 1997 to 2002, immediately upon moving up. And was legitimately ranked as recently as 2014 with a 13-1 record. They also have beaten some highly regarded football programs in bowl games over the past 5 years. The fact that any fan would think that a JMU v Marshall matchup every year is anything short of ideal has lost their mind. Both programs would benefit but MU gains nothing until we move up. My two cents. Also, Herdzoned is likely the Herd Bot (like our beloved Dukeman) and is not indicative of your typical Marshall fan. Don’t waste your time.
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(09-14-2019 10:56 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(09-14-2019 08:50 AM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  Why can't JMU play Marshall like ODU does?

Most, if not all, FBS conferences have rules against playing road games at FCS schools

Oh bless your heart you don't know that he's a robot.
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