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RE: UMKC going to Summit
(07-15-2019 07:19 PM)Hilldog Wrote: (07-14-2019 01:08 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote: (07-12-2019 07:28 PM)Hilldog Wrote: (06-27-2019 06:02 PM)Pounder Wrote: (06-27-2019 04:23 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote: I don't really see Portland State dropping football. Their 2017-2018 budget was a total of $12.2 million. They spent $3.6 million on football and $1.3 million on basketball. That is not much being spent on athletics. Eastern Washington had a budget of $16.3 million for athletics, $5 million on football and $1.6 million on basketball. That is probably where Portland State needs to be.
If PSU were to drop football (hypothetically), you almost wonder why they would remain a D1 program. With no football, men's soccer and baseball, what would be the point? The Big Sky Conference is a football league that also plays basketball. The BSC does not have men's soccer or baseball. The whole point of being in the league is to play football.
If PSU were to drop football, saving $3.6 million, the better move might be to stay D1 and add men's soccer and baseball. Then join the WAC. Baseball and men's soccer will cost at least $1 million to add. When UNM dropped men's soccer, they said it would save $540,000 annually. When North Dakota dropped baseball, they saved $600,000 annually. The combination of the two sports would probably cost in the neighborhood of $1.2 million to $1.4 million. That would make more sense than dropping to D2.
PSU averaged 3,799 in football attendance in 2018. They look like a school that either needs to drop football or go all in and build a multi-purpose stadium on or near the campus. They need some Nike money.
The real chance to drop football was 5 years ago, and the momentum existed to do it then. It's not like I'm going to fully disagree with you here.
The main thing: Portland State spent/is spending $50 million on an arena and Phys Ed building (I'd say arena upgrade, but that flatters the old Stott Center). In theory, attendance has gone up and helps part of the equation. It's not had a sellout yet, and that's frustrating, but now they can draw a few more donor inducements.
Meanwhile, football is living completely on two body bag games a year, is now committed to playing on a "home field" 14 miles away in a suburban sort-of-high-school football stadium/sport complex with a couple more amenities (although many say Hillsboro is better than, say, Northern Colorado or Southern Utah), and most people in the area are really asking "what's the point of keeping football" about now. Even with a few wins at the end of last year, the program is very much out-of-sight and out-of-mind in Portland.
The funky part: if PSU were to add baseball, they'd play in the same complex in Hillsboro. That's where the Hillsboro Hops ("single A short season, so the Hops don't start until mid-June) play, that's the only reason some of the amenities are a bit better than a high school stadium, and it's still 14 miles away. Soccer could happen in town... and maybe on the community field on campus, unless they accidentally caught fire and merited a few games in Providence Park.
What about Sac St.? Do they really fit into the Big Sky? Their basketball gym is worse than some high schools. They haven't done much in the Big Sky.
The Big Sky has 11 full time members, with 2 Big West schools football only members.
What if Sac St. decides traveling to Big Sky locations aren't worth it for their other sports. Why not play in the same conference as rival UCDavis? Their travel budget would be maybe a third of what it is in the Big Sky.
If Sac St leaves, that makes 10 full time Big Sky schools. With 3 Big West schools as football only members.
It’s doubtful the Big Sky would allow Sac State to play football in the conference if it moved its other sports to the Big West. Otherwise that move would have happened already. Certainly the Big West would have added Sac State instead of CSUB if that had been an option.
UCD and Cal Poly were only able to swing football-only membership in the Big Sky because of special circumstances. Historically the Big Sky wasn’t willing to take them or anyone else as football-only members. That changed in 2011 when the WAC, in a desperate effort to preserve its FBS conference status, went hunting for western FCS schools to move up to FBS. The Big Sky realized it had a chance to permanently remove that threat by aggressively expanding. Consequently it added North Dakota and SUU as full members and UCD and Cal Poly as football-only members in 2012.
As we all know the strategy worked. WAC football was killed, there is no longer a move-up option for western FCS schools, and now the Big Sky is one of the most stable athletic conferences in the country. For that very reason Sac State has no leverage. As long as the Big Sky continues to value having an all-sports member in the recruit-rich California market, it can and will continue to use the threat of kicking Sac State football out of the conference to prevent Sac State from moving non-football sports to the Big West. And it can also use the threat of kicking UCD and Cal Poly football out of the conference to prevent them from supporting a Big West offer to add Sac State non-football sports.
At this point there is only one scenario that could take the Big Sky out of the driver’s seat, and that would be the establishment of a second western FCS conference that would give Sac State, UCD, Cal Poly and other western FCS schools an alternative home for their football programs.
Sac. St and Bakersfield into the Big West, isn't a case of picking one or the other. The Big West, if Sac St came in, would become a 12 team conference.
While there are many cases of conferences with uneven number of schools, I think ideally most conferences would like an even number of schools.
I think you're overstating the WAC/Big Sky. None of the Big West schools ever talk about moving up to FBS football, at least seriously. The WAC, even on their football death bed, may have called Davis and Cal Poly, but they told them they had no desire to move up.
But, the offering of football only Big Sky, does prove they are open to it, and could offer that to Sac St. in the future.
A western conference isn't going to offer its lone full member from California football-only status. If Sac State leaves they are all the way out.
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