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(05-09-2019 04:22 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 04:19 PM)mlb Wrote:  Cumberland didnt get invited to the combine. He'll be back.

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G league combine. Can play his way to big one.

Ok, when is the other one? Aren't we only 6 weeks out from the draft?

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I think the best way to judge how Brannen is doing is by looking at a similar situation. Take Mike Young at Virginia Tech. Tech has never been good at basketball, but they have ACC/Football money and he has a bit of a head start. They come from similar mid-major programs.

So far Mike has pulled in Samari Curtis, 4 star/Top-100 PG Jalen Cone, Wofford's starting center as a transfer, and a 3 star PG. Looks like they are close to signing a Wing as well.

(05-09-2019 04:23 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 04:22 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 04:19 PM)mlb Wrote:  Cumberland didnt get invited to the combine. He'll be back.

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G league combine. Can play his way to big one.

Ok, when is the other one? Aren't we only 6 weeks out from the draft?

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Next week?

(05-09-2019 04:32 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 04:23 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 04:22 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 04:19 PM)mlb Wrote:  Cumberland didnt get invited to the combine. He'll be back.

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G league combine. Can play his way to big one.

Ok, when is the other one? Aren't we only 6 weeks out from the draft?

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Next week?

June 20th. 6 weeks from today for the draft. I'd have thought he'd have been invited to the other combine already if it was going to happen.

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Brannen could be going for the whole 'culture change' program rebuild thing

(05-09-2019 04:32 PM)digibrink Wrote:  I think the best way to judge how Brannen is doing is by looking at a similar situation. Take Mike Young at Virginia Tech. Tech has never been good at basketball, but they have ACC/Football money and he has a bit of a head start. They come from similar mid-major programs.

So far Mike has pulled in Samari Curtis, 4 star/Top-100 PG Jalen Cone, Wofford's starting center as a transfer, and a 3 star PG. Looks like they are close to signing a Wing as well.

Maybe it's easier to recruit to the ACC?

(05-09-2019 04:40 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  Brannen could be going for the whole 'culture change' program rebuild thing

Why? Mick's culture was clean, tough, hard working players who were committed to each other and to the program. Very much like what Brannen talked about in his press conference.

and if you think last year's team needed some huge culture change, I have a streetcar to sell you

(05-09-2019 04:32 PM)digibrink Wrote:  I think the best way to judge how Brannen is doing is by looking at a similar situation. Take Mike Young at Virginia Tech. Tech has never been good at basketball, but they have ACC/Football money and he has a bit of a head start. They come from similar mid-major programs.

So far Mike has pulled in Samari Curtis, 4 star/Top-100 PG Jalen Cone, Wofford's starting center as a transfer, and a 3 star PG. Looks like they are close to signing a Wing as well.

Where' did you see VT signed Curtis? They signed Cone. That might cut Curtis out. You don't hire a coach to get a transfer, come on. It's a much longer term decision than that. Wait till the end of May to make judgement. A lot of what happens with these moves is a kid like a Curtis may go where an asst. goes. I'd prefer not to take an asst. for a player. Way to short term a decision.

(05-09-2019 05:17 PM)dsquare Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 04:32 PM)digibrink Wrote:  I think the best way to judge how Brannen is doing is by looking at a similar situation. Take Mike Young at Virginia Tech. Tech has never been good at basketball, but they have ACC/Football money and he has a bit of a head start. They come from similar mid-major programs.

So far Mike has pulled in Samari Curtis, 4 star/Top-100 PG Jalen Cone, Wofford's starting center as a transfer, and a 3 star PG. Looks like they are close to signing a Wing as well.

Where' did you see VT signed Curtis? They signed Cone. That might cut Curtis out. You don't hire a coach to get a transfer, come on. It's a much longer term decision than that. Wait till the end of May to make judgement. A lot of what happens with these moves is a kid like a Curtis may go where an asst. goes. I'd prefer not to take an asst. for a player. Way to short term a decision.

Nevertheless, his point stands. Mike Young was hired a week before Brannen and has gotten a 4-star, 3-star and a transfer. Plus he has hired a quality outside assistant coach and has the inside track on Samari Curtis.

If VT and UC are comparable (or UC is the better program), then where are our recruits and assistant coaches?

(05-09-2019 05:36 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 05:17 PM)dsquare Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 04:32 PM)digibrink Wrote:  I think the best way to judge how Brannen is doing is by looking at a similar situation. Take Mike Young at Virginia Tech. Tech has never been good at basketball, but they have ACC/Football money and he has a bit of a head start. They come from similar mid-major programs.

So far Mike has pulled in Samari Curtis, 4 star/Top-100 PG Jalen Cone, Wofford's starting center as a transfer, and a 3 star PG. Looks like they are close to signing a Wing as well.

Where' did you see VT signed Curtis? They signed Cone. That might cut Curtis out. You don't hire a coach to get a transfer, come on. It's a much longer term decision than that. Wait till the end of May to make judgement. A lot of what happens with these moves is a kid like a Curtis may go where an asst. goes. I'd prefer not to take an asst. for a player. Way to short term a decision.

Nevertheless, his point stands. Mike Young was hired a week before Brannen and has gotten a 4-star, 3-star and a transfer. Plus he has hired a quality outside assistant coach and has the inside track on Samari Curtis.

If VT and UC are comparable (or UC is the better program), then where are our recruits and assistant coaches?

Firstly, VT plays in the ACC and had a Top 25 team last year.

Secondly, since Young was hired, VT has had a Top 100 player decommit and their senior C Blackshear who averaged 14 pts last year is considering transferring. Another player declared for the draft.

So arguably a net loss in what is currently in the short term a better position.

(05-09-2019 05:36 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 05:17 PM)dsquare Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 04:32 PM)digibrink Wrote:  I think the best way to judge how Brannen is doing is by looking at a similar situation. Take Mike Young at Virginia Tech. Tech has never been good at basketball, but they have ACC/Football money and he has a bit of a head start. They come from similar mid-major programs.

So far Mike has pulled in Samari Curtis, 4 star/Top-100 PG Jalen Cone, Wofford's starting center as a transfer, and a 3 star PG. Looks like they are close to signing a Wing as well.

Where' did you see VT signed Curtis? They signed Cone. That might cut Curtis out. You don't hire a coach to get a transfer, come on. It's a much longer term decision than that. Wait till the end of May to make judgement. A lot of what happens with these moves is a kid like a Curtis may go where an asst. goes. I'd prefer not to take an asst. for a player. Way to short term a decision.

Nevertheless, his point stands. Mike Young was hired a week before Brannen and has gotten a 4-star, 3-star and a transfer. Plus he has hired a quality outside assistant coach and has the inside track on Samari Curtis.

If VT and UC are comparable (or UC is the better program), then where are our recruits and assistant coaches?

This is fair criticism . I'm concerned that the roster for UC '19-20 will not be as strong as his NKU roster. There are so many players in the transfer portal that he should be able to put something together. Lack of assistants might be holding him back; players want to meet the staff before they sign.

Seruously... he's got assistants. Just because they aren't announced yet doesn't mean they aren't at UC and working.

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(05-09-2019 06:38 PM)crex043 Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 05:36 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 05:17 PM)dsquare Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 04:32 PM)digibrink Wrote:  I think the best way to judge how Brannen is doing is by looking at a similar situation. Take Mike Young at Virginia Tech. Tech has never been good at basketball, but they have ACC/Football money and he has a bit of a head start. They come from similar mid-major programs.

So far Mike has pulled in Samari Curtis, 4 star/Top-100 PG Jalen Cone, Wofford's starting center as a transfer, and a 3 star PG. Looks like they are close to signing a Wing as well.

Where' did you see VT signed Curtis? They signed Cone. That might cut Curtis out. You don't hire a coach to get a transfer, come on. It's a much longer term decision than that. Wait till the end of May to make judgement. A lot of what happens with these moves is a kid like a Curtis may go where an asst. goes. I'd prefer not to take an asst. for a player. Way to short term a decision.

Nevertheless, his point stands. Mike Young was hired a week before Brannen and has gotten a 4-star, 3-star and a transfer. Plus he has hired a quality outside assistant coach and has the inside track on Samari Curtis.

If VT and UC are comparable (or UC is the better program), then where are our recruits and assistant coaches?

Firstly, VT plays in the ACC and had a Top 25 team last year.

Secondly, since Young was hired, VT has had a Top 100 player decommit and their senior C Blackshear who averaged 14 pts last year is considering transferring. Another player declared for the draft.

So arguably a net loss in what is currently in the short term a better position.

Brannen had a top 150 player decommit and our senior center did transfer. Cumberland declared for the draft. So the losses have been more or less equal, but the gains have been nowhere close.

The fans on here said over and over again that UC should be able to recruit despite being in the AAC. That Cronin is a terrible recruiter. That UC should recruit like a top 25 program. VT is at best a middle of the pack ACC team (4 NCAA appearances in the last 20 years, one sweet sixteen). They are exactly the type of team UC should be beating out in recruiting according to the fans who thought Cronin couldn't recruit. Both teams got a new coach within a week of each other. One of those teams has gotten a 4-star, a 3-star and a quality transfer. The other has gotten no one, but is pursuing 2-stars and transfers being recruited by low-majors.

(05-09-2019 06:56 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 06:38 PM)crex043 Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 05:36 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 05:17 PM)dsquare Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 04:32 PM)digibrink Wrote:  I think the best way to judge how Brannen is doing is by looking at a similar situation. Take Mike Young at Virginia Tech. Tech has never been good at basketball, but they have ACC/Football money and he has a bit of a head start. They come from similar mid-major programs.

So far Mike has pulled in Samari Curtis, 4 star/Top-100 PG Jalen Cone, Wofford's starting center as a transfer, and a 3 star PG. Looks like they are close to signing a Wing as well.

Where' did you see VT signed Curtis? They signed Cone. That might cut Curtis out. You don't hire a coach to get a transfer, come on. It's a much longer term decision than that. Wait till the end of May to make judgement. A lot of what happens with these moves is a kid like a Curtis may go where an asst. goes. I'd prefer not to take an asst. for a player. Way to short term a decision.

Nevertheless, his point stands. Mike Young was hired a week before Brannen and has gotten a 4-star, 3-star and a transfer. Plus he has hired a quality outside assistant coach and has the inside track on Samari Curtis.

If VT and UC are comparable (or UC is the better program), then where are our recruits and assistant coaches?

Firstly, VT plays in the ACC and had a Top 25 team last year.

Secondly, since Young was hired, VT has had a Top 100 player decommit and their senior C Blackshear who averaged 14 pts last year is considering transferring. Another player declared for the draft.

So arguably a net loss in what is currently in the short term a better position.

Brannen had a top 150 player decommit and our senior center did transfer. Cumberland declared for the draft. So the losses have been more or less equal, but the gains have been nowhere close.

The fans on here said over and over again that UC should be able to recruit despite being in the AAC. That Cronin is a terrible recruiter. That UC should recruit like a top 25 program. VT is at best a middle of the pack ACC team (4 NCAA appearances in the last 20 years, one sweet sixteen). They are exactly the type of team UC should be beating out in recruiting according to the fans who thought Cronin couldn't recruit. Both teams got a new coach within a week of each other. One of those teams has gotten a 4-star, a 3-star and a quality transfer. The other has gotten no one, but is pursuing 2-stars and transfers being recruited by low-majors.

My fn lord... give it some time. Or are you a Cronin too? Seriously... he just got the job, he had to figure out who was staying and who was leaving. Give it a break and let the guy do his job.

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Hey we might be losing LoJo and Nsoseme too!

(05-09-2019 07:03 PM)digibrink Wrote:  Hey we might be losing LoJo and Nsoseme too!

Where have you heard that? And if UC does, CJB starts from scratch and rebuilds. He did well at NKU, I have no doubt he'll find talent to bring in at UC.

Honestly, I think most of these guys will be back and will succeed next year.

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(05-09-2019 06:56 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 06:38 PM)crex043 Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 05:36 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 05:17 PM)dsquare Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 04:32 PM)digibrink Wrote:  I think the best way to judge how Brannen is doing is by looking at a similar situation. Take Mike Young at Virginia Tech. Tech has never been good at basketball, but they have ACC/Football money and he has a bit of a head start. They come from similar mid-major programs.

So far Mike has pulled in Samari Curtis, 4 star/Top-100 PG Jalen Cone, Wofford's starting center as a transfer, and a 3 star PG. Looks like they are close to signing a Wing as well.

Where' did you see VT signed Curtis? They signed Cone. That might cut Curtis out. You don't hire a coach to get a transfer, come on. It's a much longer term decision than that. Wait till the end of May to make judgement. A lot of what happens with these moves is a kid like a Curtis may go where an asst. goes. I'd prefer not to take an asst. for a player. Way to short term a decision.

Nevertheless, his point stands. Mike Young was hired a week before Brannen and has gotten a 4-star, 3-star and a transfer. Plus he has hired a quality outside assistant coach and has the inside track on Samari Curtis.

If VT and UC are comparable (or UC is the better program), then where are our recruits and assistant coaches?

Firstly, VT plays in the ACC and had a Top 25 team last year.

Secondly, since Young was hired, VT has had a Top 100 player decommit and their senior C Blackshear who averaged 14 pts last year is considering transferring. Another player declared for the draft.

So arguably a net loss in what is currently in the short term a better position.

Brannen had a top 150 player decommit and our senior center did transfer. Cumberland declared for the draft. So the losses have been more or less equal, but the gains have been nowhere close.

The fans on here said over and over again that UC should be able to recruit despite being in the AAC. That Cronin is a terrible recruiter. That UC should recruit like a top 25 program. VT is at best a middle of the pack ACC team (4 NCAA appearances in the last 20 years, one sweet sixteen). They are exactly the type of team UC should be beating out in recruiting according to the fans who thought Cronin couldn't recruit. Both teams got a new coach within a week of each other. One of those teams has gotten a 4-star, a 3-star and a quality transfer. The other has gotten no one, but is pursuing 2-stars and transfers being recruited by low-majors.

Who had the job elevating the brand the last 13 years? 20 years ago UC was putting together a team that had the national player of the year and spent most of the season ranked number 1. We are so far away from the pinnacle of the sport because we had an administration and coach that refused to embrace the past and take chances to build the UC brand.

Mick was a good coach but was really bad at growing UC’s brand. Basically all our regional rivals grew and gained market share in national landscape. Things like NCAA tournament success, sending players to the NBA and the G league, beating your rival, playing in marquee pre-season tournament and events, and winning conference championships are all important. Doing some of those things some of the time isn’t going to cut it when Xavier, Ohio State, Louisville, and Kentucky are doing those things more frequently.

(05-09-2019 06:51 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 05:36 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 05:17 PM)dsquare Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 04:32 PM)digibrink Wrote:  I think the best way to judge how Brannen is doing is by looking at a similar situation. Take Mike Young at Virginia Tech. Tech has never been good at basketball, but they have ACC/Football money and he has a bit of a head start. They come from similar mid-major programs.

So far Mike has pulled in Samari Curtis, 4 star/Top-100 PG Jalen Cone, Wofford's starting center as a transfer, and a 3 star PG. Looks like they are close to signing a Wing as well.

Where' did you see VT signed Curtis? They signed Cone. That might cut Curtis out. You don't hire a coach to get a transfer, come on. It's a much longer term decision than that. Wait till the end of May to make judgement. A lot of what happens with these moves is a kid like a Curtis may go where an asst. goes. I'd prefer not to take an asst. for a player. Way to short term a decision.

Nevertheless, his point stands. Mike Young was hired a week before Brannen and has gotten a 4-star, 3-star and a transfer. Plus he has hired a quality outside assistant coach and has the inside track on Samari Curtis.

If VT and UC are comparable (or UC is the better program), then where are our recruits and assistant coaches?

This is fair criticism . I'm concerned that the roster for UC '19-20 will not be as strong as his NKU roster. There are so many players in the transfer portal that he should be able to put something together. Lack of assistants might be holding him back; players want to meet the staff before they sign.

Get the hell out of here and go cheer for ucla

(05-09-2019 07:02 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 06:56 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 06:38 PM)crex043 Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 05:36 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 05:17 PM)dsquare Wrote:  Where' did you see VT signed Curtis? They signed Cone. That might cut Curtis out. You don't hire a coach to get a transfer, come on. It's a much longer term decision than that. Wait till the end of May to make judgement. A lot of what happens with these moves is a kid like a Curtis may go where an asst. goes. I'd prefer not to take an asst. for a player. Way to short term a decision.

Nevertheless, his point stands. Mike Young was hired a week before Brannen and has gotten a 4-star, 3-star and a transfer. Plus he has hired a quality outside assistant coach and has the inside track on Samari Curtis.

If VT and UC are comparable (or UC is the better program), then where are our recruits and assistant coaches?

Firstly, VT plays in the ACC and had a Top 25 team last year.

Secondly, since Young was hired, VT has had a Top 100 player decommit and their senior C Blackshear who averaged 14 pts last year is considering transferring. Another player declared for the draft.

So arguably a net loss in what is currently in the short term a better position.

Brannen had a top 150 player decommit and our senior center did transfer. Cumberland declared for the draft. So the losses have been more or less equal, but the gains have been nowhere close.

The fans on here said over and over again that UC should be able to recruit despite being in the AAC. That Cronin is a terrible recruiter. That UC should recruit like a top 25 program. VT is at best a middle of the pack ACC team (4 NCAA appearances in the last 20 years, one sweet sixteen). They are exactly the type of team UC should be beating out in recruiting according to the fans who thought Cronin couldn't recruit. Both teams got a new coach within a week of each other. One of those teams has gotten a 4-star, a 3-star and a quality transfer. The other has gotten no one, but is pursuing 2-stars and transfers being recruited by low-majors.

My fn lord... give it some time. Or are you a Cronin too? Seriously... he just got the job, he had to figure out who was staying and who was leaving. Give it a break and let the guy do his job.

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