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(05-09-2019 07:32 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 07:02 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 06:56 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 06:38 PM)crex043 Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 05:36 PM)skyblade Wrote:  Nevertheless, his point stands. Mike Young was hired a week before Brannen and has gotten a 4-star, 3-star and a transfer. Plus he has hired a quality outside assistant coach and has the inside track on Samari Curtis.

If VT and UC are comparable (or UC is the better program), then where are our recruits and assistant coaches?

Firstly, VT plays in the ACC and had a Top 25 team last year.

Secondly, since Young was hired, VT has had a Top 100 player decommit and their senior C Blackshear who averaged 14 pts last year is considering transferring. Another player declared for the draft.

So arguably a net loss in what is currently in the short term a better position.

Brannen had a top 150 player decommit and our senior center did transfer. Cumberland declared for the draft. So the losses have been more or less equal, but the gains have been nowhere close.

The fans on here said over and over again that UC should be able to recruit despite being in the AAC. That Cronin is a terrible recruiter. That UC should recruit like a top 25 program. VT is at best a middle of the pack ACC team (4 NCAA appearances in the last 20 years, one sweet sixteen). They are exactly the type of team UC should be beating out in recruiting according to the fans who thought Cronin couldn't recruit. Both teams got a new coach within a week of each other. One of those teams has gotten a 4-star, a 3-star and a quality transfer. The other has gotten no one, but is pursuing 2-stars and transfers being recruited by low-majors.

My fn lord... give it some time. Or are you a Cronin too? Seriously... he just got the job, he had to figure out who was staying and who was leaving. Give it a break and let the guy do his job.

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Yep. Hepblade.

Or MiickBlade.

(05-09-2019 07:11 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 06:56 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 06:38 PM)crex043 Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 05:36 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 05:17 PM)dsquare Wrote:  Where' did you see VT signed Curtis? They signed Cone. That might cut Curtis out. You don't hire a coach to get a transfer, come on. It's a much longer term decision than that. Wait till the end of May to make judgement. A lot of what happens with these moves is a kid like a Curtis may go where an asst. goes. I'd prefer not to take an asst. for a player. Way to short term a decision.

Nevertheless, his point stands. Mike Young was hired a week before Brannen and has gotten a 4-star, 3-star and a transfer. Plus he has hired a quality outside assistant coach and has the inside track on Samari Curtis.

If VT and UC are comparable (or UC is the better program), then where are our recruits and assistant coaches?

Firstly, VT plays in the ACC and had a Top 25 team last year.

Secondly, since Young was hired, VT has had a Top 100 player decommit and their senior C Blackshear who averaged 14 pts last year is considering transferring. Another player declared for the draft.

So arguably a net loss in what is currently in the short term a better position.

Brannen had a top 150 player decommit and our senior center did transfer. Cumberland declared for the draft. So the losses have been more or less equal, but the gains have been nowhere close.

The fans on here said over and over again that UC should be able to recruit despite being in the AAC. That Cronin is a terrible recruiter. That UC should recruit like a top 25 program. VT is at best a middle of the pack ACC team (4 NCAA appearances in the last 20 years, one sweet sixteen). They are exactly the type of team UC should be beating out in recruiting according to the fans who thought Cronin couldn't recruit. Both teams got a new coach within a week of each other. One of those teams has gotten a 4-star, a 3-star and a quality transfer. The other has gotten no one, but is pursuing 2-stars and transfers being recruited by low-majors.

Who had the job elevating the brand the last 13 years? 20 years ago UC was putting together a team that had the national player of the year and spent most of the season ranked number 1. We are so far away from the pinnacle of the sport because we had an administration and coach that refused to embrace the past and take chances to build the UC brand.

Mick was a good coach but was really bad at growing UC’s brand. Basically all our regional rivals grew and gained market share in national landscape. Things like NCAA tournament success, sending players to the NBA and the G league, beating your rival, playing in marquee pre-season tournament and events, and winning conference championships are all important. Doing some of those things some of the time isn’t going to cut it when Xavier, Ohio State, Louisville, and Kentucky are doing those things more frequently.

Nope. Fans kept saying over and over that Mick should be recruiting top 50 classes every year. That UC is a top 25 program and should be recruiting like it. That the only reason we couldn't recruit is because Mick is a terrible recruiter.

Now we are seeing the reality that I've been ridiculed for saying. UC isn't a national power anymore. No coach is going to come in here and make our recruiting top 25. The top of the AAC is going to have trouble competing with even middle of the pack P5 teams.

Brannen and Mike Young were hired within a week of each other. VT has gone to 4 NCAA tournaments in 20 years and one sweet 16. They are a team that the Mick hating fans would have said UC should easily out-recruit. But they've gotten a 4-star, a 3-star and a quality transfer and we are offering 2-stars and haven't gotten any yet. Let me know when Brannen starts getting all those 4 and 5-stars you guys thought Mick should get. So far this year it seems we'll be lucky if he can pull in a 3-star or two.

Don't get me wrong, I think Brannen can be a great coach. But he's going to have to do it by developing and teaching players better then Cronin did, not by recruiting better then he did. If anything I expect a step back in recruiting over the next couple years as Brannen builds his name and brand, not a step forward.

Thanks genius. Most of us are not dumb, we knew this year was going to be rough. But most of us aren't saying he's been bad in a month of being the coach. And I'm certainly not comparing him to Cronin at this point. Give him time.

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(05-09-2019 06:56 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 06:38 PM)crex043 Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 05:36 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 05:17 PM)dsquare Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 04:32 PM)digibrink Wrote:  I think the best way to judge how Brannen is doing is by looking at a similar situation. Take Mike Young at Virginia Tech. Tech has never been good at basketball, but they have ACC/Football money and he has a bit of a head start. They come from similar mid-major programs.

So far Mike has pulled in Samari Curtis, 4 star/Top-100 PG Jalen Cone, Wofford's starting center as a transfer, and a 3 star PG. Looks like they are close to signing a Wing as well.

Where' did you see VT signed Curtis? They signed Cone. That might cut Curtis out. You don't hire a coach to get a transfer, come on. It's a much longer term decision than that. Wait till the end of May to make judgement. A lot of what happens with these moves is a kid like a Curtis may go where an asst. goes. I'd prefer not to take an asst. for a player. Way to short term a decision.

Nevertheless, his point stands. Mike Young was hired a week before Brannen and has gotten a 4-star, 3-star and a transfer. Plus he has hired a quality outside assistant coach and has the inside track on Samari Curtis.

If VT and UC are comparable (or UC is the better program), then where are our recruits and assistant coaches?

Firstly, VT plays in the ACC and had a Top 25 team last year.

Secondly, since Young was hired, VT has had a Top 100 player decommit and their senior C Blackshear who averaged 14 pts last year is considering transferring. Another player declared for the draft.

So arguably a net loss in what is currently in the short term a better position.

Brannen had a top 150 player decommit and our senior center did transfer. Cumberland declared for the draft. So the losses have been more or less equal, but the gains have been nowhere close.

The fans on here said over and over again that UC should be able to recruit despite being in the AAC. That Cronin is a terrible recruiter. That UC should recruit like a top 25 program. VT is at best a middle of the pack ACC team (4 NCAA appearances in the last 20 years, one sweet sixteen). They are exactly the type of team UC should be beating out in recruiting according to the fans who thought Cronin couldn't recruit. Both teams got a new coach within a week of each other. One of those teams has gotten a 4-star, a 3-star and a quality transfer. The other has gotten no one, but is pursuing 2-stars and transfers being recruited by low-majors.

Listen Mick boy,

Mick was a mediocre coach and yes this program should be able to bring in top 150 players. We are an elite non P5 program, and programs of that caliber generally are able to recruit top 30 type classes.

If Brannen ends up not being able to meet our expectations then we find a new coach. This still doesn't make Mick special. Just means Brannen was the wrong hire. But like with all coaches, I like to give them a year to figure it out. I said the same after CLF first year, as I figured he would have some learning curve and take some lumps.

(05-09-2019 08:28 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 07:11 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 06:56 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 06:38 PM)crex043 Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 05:36 PM)skyblade Wrote:  Nevertheless, his point stands. Mike Young was hired a week before Brannen and has gotten a 4-star, 3-star and a transfer. Plus he has hired a quality outside assistant coach and has the inside track on Samari Curtis.

If VT and UC are comparable (or UC is the better program), then where are our recruits and assistant coaches?

Firstly, VT plays in the ACC and had a Top 25 team last year.

Secondly, since Young was hired, VT has had a Top 100 player decommit and their senior C Blackshear who averaged 14 pts last year is considering transferring. Another player declared for the draft.

So arguably a net loss in what is currently in the short term a better position.

Brannen had a top 150 player decommit and our senior center did transfer. Cumberland declared for the draft. So the losses have been more or less equal, but the gains have been nowhere close.

The fans on here said over and over again that UC should be able to recruit despite being in the AAC. That Cronin is a terrible recruiter. That UC should recruit like a top 25 program. VT is at best a middle of the pack ACC team (4 NCAA appearances in the last 20 years, one sweet sixteen). They are exactly the type of team UC should be beating out in recruiting according to the fans who thought Cronin couldn't recruit. Both teams got a new coach within a week of each other. One of those teams has gotten a 4-star, a 3-star and a quality transfer. The other has gotten no one, but is pursuing 2-stars and transfers being recruited by low-majors.

Who had the job elevating the brand the last 13 years? 20 years ago UC was putting together a team that had the national player of the year and spent most of the season ranked number 1. We are so far away from the pinnacle of the sport because we had an administration and coach that refused to embrace the past and take chances to build the UC brand.

Mick was a good coach but was really bad at growing UC’s brand. Basically all our regional rivals grew and gained market share in national landscape. Things like NCAA tournament success, sending players to the NBA and the G league, beating your rival, playing in marquee pre-season tournament and events, and winning conference championships are all important. Doing some of those things some of the time isn’t going to cut it when Xavier, Ohio State, Louisville, and Kentucky are doing those things more frequently.

Nope. Fans kept saying over and over that Mick should be recruiting top 50 classes every year. That UC is a top 25 program and should be recruiting like it. That the only reason we couldn't recruit is because Mick is a terrible recruiter.

Now we are seeing the reality that I've been ridiculed for saying. UC isn't a national power anymore. No coach is going to come in here and make our recruiting top 25. The top of the AAC is going to have trouble competing with even middle of the pack P5 teams.

Brannen and Mike Young were hired within a week of each other. VT has gone to 4 NCAA tournaments in 20 years and one sweet 16. They are a team that the Mick hating fans would have said UC should easily out-recruit. But they've gotten a 4-star, a 3-star and a quality transfer and we are offering 2-stars and haven't gotten any yet. Let me know when Brannen starts getting all those 4 and 5-stars you guys thought Mick should get. So far this year it seems we'll be lucky if he can pull in a 3-star or two.

Don't get me wrong, I think Brannen can be a great coach. But he's going to have to do it by developing and teaching players better then Cronin did, not by recruiting better then he did. If anything I expect a step back in recruiting over the next couple years as Brannen builds his name and brand, not a step forward.

This guy has to be a troll. However you are wromg when you say no coach could come in here and immediately recruit top talent, I believe Pitino could have. But any of the other coaches we considered will.not, because they are just fresh from the mid major ranks. JB is going to have to build his talent pipeline, he obviously doesn't have access to major recruits right now. He is going to have to earn his chops. No other choice for us other than to see what he can do.

(05-09-2019 08:28 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 07:11 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 06:56 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 06:38 PM)crex043 Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 05:36 PM)skyblade Wrote:  Nevertheless, his point stands. Mike Young was hired a week before Brannen and has gotten a 4-star, 3-star and a transfer. Plus he has hired a quality outside assistant coach and has the inside track on Samari Curtis.

If VT and UC are comparable (or UC is the better program), then where are our recruits and assistant coaches?

Firstly, VT plays in the ACC and had a Top 25 team last year.

Secondly, since Young was hired, VT has had a Top 100 player decommit and their senior C Blackshear who averaged 14 pts last year is considering transferring. Another player declared for the draft.

So arguably a net loss in what is currently in the short term a better position.

Brannen had a top 150 player decommit and our senior center did transfer. Cumberland declared for the draft. So the losses have been more or less equal, but the gains have been nowhere close.

The fans on here said over and over again that UC should be able to recruit despite being in the AAC. That Cronin is a terrible recruiter. That UC should recruit like a top 25 program. VT is at best a middle of the pack ACC team (4 NCAA appearances in the last 20 years, one sweet sixteen). They are exactly the type of team UC should be beating out in recruiting according to the fans who thought Cronin couldn't recruit. Both teams got a new coach within a week of each other. One of those teams has gotten a 4-star, a 3-star and a quality transfer. The other has gotten no one, but is pursuing 2-stars and transfers being recruited by low-majors.

Who had the job elevating the brand the last 13 years? 20 years ago UC was putting together a team that had the national player of the year and spent most of the season ranked number 1. We are so far away from the pinnacle of the sport because we had an administration and coach that refused to embrace the past and take chances to build the UC brand.

Mick was a good coach but was really bad at growing UC’s brand. Basically all our regional rivals grew and gained market share in national landscape. Things like NCAA tournament success, sending players to the NBA and the G league, beating your rival, playing in marquee pre-season tournament and events, and winning conference championships are all important. Doing some of those things some of the time isn’t going to cut it when Xavier, Ohio State, Louisville, and Kentucky are doing those things more frequently.

Nope. Fans kept saying over and over that Mick should be recruiting top 50 classes every year. That UC is a top 25 program and should be recruiting like it. That the only reason we couldn't recruit is because Mick is a terrible recruiter.

Now we are seeing the reality that I've been ridiculed for saying. UC isn't a national power anymore. No coach is going to come in here and make our recruiting top 25. The top of the AAC is going to have trouble competing with even middle of the pack P5 teams.

Brannen and Mike Young were hired within a week of each other. VT has gone to 4 NCAA tournaments in 20 years and one sweet 16. They are a team that the Mick hating fans would have said UC should easily out-recruit. But they've gotten a 4-star, a 3-star and a quality transfer and we are offering 2-stars and haven't gotten any yet. Let me know when Brannen starts getting all those 4 and 5-stars you guys thought Mick should get. So far this year it seems we'll be lucky if he can pull in a 3-star or two.

Don't get me wrong, I think Brannen can be a great coach. But he's going to have to do it by developing and teaching players better then Cronin did, not by recruiting better then he did. If anything I expect a step back in recruiting over the next couple years as Brannen builds his name and brand, not a step forward.

Now if UC isn’t a national power anymore doesn’t that fall on our previous coach and the administration. UC was a national power during the Huggins years. Was a national power for parts 50’s, 60’s, and 70’s. Brannen’s job is to get back there and not settle for being good.

Cronin couldn’t take that next step. He took over an awful situation and made the most of it early on. The arena, conference affiliation change, and apparel deal didn’t help but a great coach would have pushed through and taken that next step. He almost did but the Nevada game happened. Mick’s problem wasn’t just post season failure it was going into the post season and realistically having no chance to advance deep in the tournament.

I have no idea if Brannen can get UC to the level of Cronin, Huggins, or beyond but I am willing to give him a few years to do it his way.

(05-09-2019 08:28 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 07:11 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 06:56 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 06:38 PM)crex043 Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 05:36 PM)skyblade Wrote:  Nevertheless, his point stands. Mike Young was hired a week before Brannen and has gotten a 4-star, 3-star and a transfer. Plus he has hired a quality outside assistant coach and has the inside track on Samari Curtis.

If VT and UC are comparable (or UC is the better program), then where are our recruits and assistant coaches?

Firstly, VT plays in the ACC and had a Top 25 team last year.

Secondly, since Young was hired, VT has had a Top 100 player decommit and their senior C Blackshear who averaged 14 pts last year is considering transferring. Another player declared for the draft.

So arguably a net loss in what is currently in the short term a better position.

Brannen had a top 150 player decommit and our senior center did transfer. Cumberland declared for the draft. So the losses have been more or less equal, but the gains have been nowhere close.

The fans on here said over and over again that UC should be able to recruit despite being in the AAC. That Cronin is a terrible recruiter. That UC should recruit like a top 25 program. VT is at best a middle of the pack ACC team (4 NCAA appearances in the last 20 years, one sweet sixteen). They are exactly the type of team UC should be beating out in recruiting according to the fans who thought Cronin couldn't recruit. Both teams got a new coach within a week of each other. One of those teams has gotten a 4-star, a 3-star and a quality transfer. The other has gotten no one, but is pursuing 2-stars and transfers being recruited by low-majors.

Who had the job elevating the brand the last 13 years? 20 years ago UC was putting together a team that had the national player of the year and spent most of the season ranked number 1. We are so far away from the pinnacle of the sport because we had an administration and coach that refused to embrace the past and take chances to build the UC brand.

Mick was a good coach but was really bad at growing UC’s brand. Basically all our regional rivals grew and gained market share in national landscape. Things like NCAA tournament success, sending players to the NBA and the G league, beating your rival, playing in marquee pre-season tournament and events, and winning conference championships are all important. Doing some of those things some of the time isn’t going to cut it when Xavier, Ohio State, Louisville, and Kentucky are doing those things more frequently.

Nope. Fans kept saying over and over that Mick should be recruiting top 50 classes every year. That UC is a top 25 program and should be recruiting like it. That the only reason we couldn't recruit is because Mick is a terrible recruiter.

Now we are seeing the reality that I've been ridiculed for saying. UC isn't a national power anymore. No coach is going to come in here and make our recruiting top 25. The top of the AAC is going to have trouble competing with even middle of the pack P5 teams.

Brannen and Mike Young were hired within a week of each other. VT has gone to 4 NCAA tournaments in 20 years and one sweet 16. They are a team that the Mick hating fans would have said UC should easily out-recruit. But they've gotten a 4-star, a 3-star and a quality transfer and we are offering 2-stars and haven't gotten any yet. Let me know when Brannen starts getting all those 4 and 5-stars you guys thought Mick should get. So far this year it seems we'll be lucky if he can pull in a 3-star or two.

Don't get me wrong, I think Brannen can be a great coach. But he's going to have to do it by developing and teaching players better then Cronin did, not by recruiting better then he did. If anything I expect a step back in recruiting over the next couple years as Brannen builds his name and brand, not a step forward.

Holy crap dude. The guy has been here a month. He hasn't proven anything one way or the other. Have you lost your mind?

I expect UC to pull in Top 25-35 recruiting classes nationally and Top 2-3 in conference long term.

I don't expect this from CJB this off-season or next, but this should be the expectation for this program moving forward. I think it's possible with the right coach and support from the AD.

(05-09-2019 08:28 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 07:11 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 06:56 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 06:38 PM)crex043 Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 05:36 PM)skyblade Wrote:  Nevertheless, his point stands. Mike Young was hired a week before Brannen and has gotten a 4-star, 3-star and a transfer. Plus he has hired a quality outside assistant coach and has the inside track on Samari Curtis.

If VT and UC are comparable (or UC is the better program), then where are our recruits and assistant coaches?

Firstly, VT plays in the ACC and had a Top 25 team last year.

Secondly, since Young was hired, VT has had a Top 100 player decommit and their senior C Blackshear who averaged 14 pts last year is considering transferring. Another player declared for the draft.

So arguably a net loss in what is currently in the short term a better position.

Brannen had a top 150 player decommit and our senior center did transfer. Cumberland declared for the draft. So the losses have been more or less equal, but the gains have been nowhere close.

The fans on here said over and over again that UC should be able to recruit despite being in the AAC. That Cronin is a terrible recruiter. That UC should recruit like a top 25 program. VT is at best a middle of the pack ACC team (4 NCAA appearances in the last 20 years, one sweet sixteen). They are exactly the type of team UC should be beating out in recruiting according to the fans who thought Cronin couldn't recruit. Both teams got a new coach within a week of each other. One of those teams has gotten a 4-star, a 3-star and a quality transfer. The other has gotten no one, but is pursuing 2-stars and transfers being recruited by low-majors.

Who had the job elevating the brand the last 13 years? 20 years ago UC was putting together a team that had the national player of the year and spent most of the season ranked number 1. We are so far away from the pinnacle of the sport because we had an administration and coach that refused to embrace the past and take chances to build the UC brand.

Mick was a good coach but was really bad at growing UC’s brand. Basically all our regional rivals grew and gained market share in national landscape. Things like NCAA tournament success, sending players to the NBA and the G league, beating your rival, playing in marquee pre-season tournament and events, and winning conference championships are all important. Doing some of those things some of the time isn’t going to cut it when Xavier, Ohio State, Louisville, and Kentucky are doing those things more frequently.

Nope. Fans kept saying over and over that Mick should be recruiting top 50 classes every year. That UC is a top 25 program and should be recruiting like it. That the only reason we couldn't recruit is because Mick is a terrible recruiter.

Now we are seeing the reality that I've been ridiculed for saying. UC isn't a national power anymore. No coach is going to come in here and make our recruiting top 25. The top of the AAC is going to have trouble competing with even middle of the pack P5 teams.

Brannen and Mike Young were hired within a week of each other. VT has gone to 4 NCAA tournaments in 20 years and one sweet 16. They are a team that the Mick hating fans would have said UC should easily out-recruit. But they've gotten a 4-star, a 3-star and a quality transfer and we are offering 2-stars and haven't gotten any yet. Let me know when Brannen starts getting all those 4 and 5-stars you guys thought Mick should get. So far this year it seems we'll be lucky if he can pull in a 3-star or two.

Don't get me wrong, I think Brannen can be a great coach. But he's going to have to do it by developing and teaching players better then Cronin did, not by recruiting better then he did. If anything I expect a step back in recruiting over the next couple years as Brannen builds his name and brand, not a step forward.

Why are you still posting here? Cronin is GONE. If you want to follow Cronin go to the UCLA board and get involved in PAC-12 recruiting boards.

You aren't a UC fan, you are a Cronin fan.

Go follow Cronin and get the H out of here.

Everyone would be happier.

You included.

(05-09-2019 09:36 PM)crex043 Wrote:  I expect UC to pull in Top 25-35 recruiting classes nationally and Top 2-3 in conference long term.

I don't expect this from CJB this off-season or next, but this should be the expectation for this program moving forward. I think it's possible with the right coach and support from the AD.

Given the amount of open scholarships it probably needs to happen next year to give Brannen a good foundation.

(05-09-2019 10:11 PM)converrl Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 08:28 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 07:11 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 06:56 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 06:38 PM)crex043 Wrote:  Firstly, VT plays in the ACC and had a Top 25 team last year.

Secondly, since Young was hired, VT has had a Top 100 player decommit and their senior C Blackshear who averaged 14 pts last year is considering transferring. Another player declared for the draft.

So arguably a net loss in what is currently in the short term a better position.

Brannen had a top 150 player decommit and our senior center did transfer. Cumberland declared for the draft. So the losses have been more or less equal, but the gains have been nowhere close.

The fans on here said over and over again that UC should be able to recruit despite being in the AAC. That Cronin is a terrible recruiter. That UC should recruit like a top 25 program. VT is at best a middle of the pack ACC team (4 NCAA appearances in the last 20 years, one sweet sixteen). They are exactly the type of team UC should be beating out in recruiting according to the fans who thought Cronin couldn't recruit. Both teams got a new coach within a week of each other. One of those teams has gotten a 4-star, a 3-star and a quality transfer. The other has gotten no one, but is pursuing 2-stars and transfers being recruited by low-majors.

Who had the job elevating the brand the last 13 years? 20 years ago UC was putting together a team that had the national player of the year and spent most of the season ranked number 1. We are so far away from the pinnacle of the sport because we had an administration and coach that refused to embrace the past and take chances to build the UC brand.

Mick was a good coach but was really bad at growing UC’s brand. Basically all our regional rivals grew and gained market share in national landscape. Things like NCAA tournament success, sending players to the NBA and the G league, beating your rival, playing in marquee pre-season tournament and events, and winning conference championships are all important. Doing some of those things some of the time isn’t going to cut it when Xavier, Ohio State, Louisville, and Kentucky are doing those things more frequently.

Nope. Fans kept saying over and over that Mick should be recruiting top 50 classes every year. That UC is a top 25 program and should be recruiting like it. That the only reason we couldn't recruit is because Mick is a terrible recruiter.

Now we are seeing the reality that I've been ridiculed for saying. UC isn't a national power anymore. No coach is going to come in here and make our recruiting top 25. The top of the AAC is going to have trouble competing with even middle of the pack P5 teams.

Brannen and Mike Young were hired within a week of each other. VT has gone to 4 NCAA tournaments in 20 years and one sweet 16. They are a team that the Mick hating fans would have said UC should easily out-recruit. But they've gotten a 4-star, a 3-star and a quality transfer and we are offering 2-stars and haven't gotten any yet. Let me know when Brannen starts getting all those 4 and 5-stars you guys thought Mick should get. So far this year it seems we'll be lucky if he can pull in a 3-star or two.

Don't get me wrong, I think Brannen can be a great coach. But he's going to have to do it by developing and teaching players better then Cronin did, not by recruiting better then he did. If anything I expect a step back in recruiting over the next couple years as Brannen builds his name and brand, not a step forward.

Why are you still posting here? Cronin is GONE. If you want to follow Cronin go to the UCLA board and get involved in PAC-12 recruiting boards.

You aren't a UC fan, you are a Cronin fan.

Go follow Cronin and get the H out of here.

Everyone would be happier.

You included.

Says the guy who was telling fans to stop attending games when Cronin was the coach. Projection much?

I will support UC and Brannen no matter what. Just pointing out the obvious that fans who claimed Cronin was a terrible recruiter and a different coach should do much better may have been wrong.

(05-09-2019 09:36 PM)crex043 Wrote:  I expect UC to pull in Top 25-35 recruiting classes nationally and Top 2-3 in conference long term.

I don't expect this from CJB this off-season or next, but this should be the expectation for this program moving forward. I think it's possible with the right coach and support from the AD.

Recruiting class ranking is a bad way to judge basketball recruiting. Because quantity matters as much or more in class rankings then quality. Under Mick we brought in about 1 guy per year rated in the 150-100 range and rarely anyone higher then 100. So if you want to judge improvement you should look at those numbers, rather then recruiting class ranking.

Next off-season should be Brannen's big year. He will have a bunch of open roster spots and a bunch of playing time to offer. He gets somewhat of a pass for this year (though he still needs to add some quality players), but next year is on him.

(05-10-2019 07:31 AM)skyblade Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 09:36 PM)crex043 Wrote:  I expect UC to pull in Top 25-35 recruiting classes nationally and Top 2-3 in conference long term.

I don't expect this from CJB this off-season or next, but this should be the expectation for this program moving forward. I think it's possible with the right coach and support from the AD.

Recruiting class ranking is a bad way to judge basketball recruiting. Because quantity matters as much or more in class rankings then quality. Under Mick we brought in about 1 guy per year rated in the 150-100 range and rarely anyone higher then 100. So if you want to judge improvement you should look at those numbers, rather then recruiting class ranking.

Next off-season should be Brannen's big year. He will have a bunch of open roster spots and a bunch of playing time to offer. He gets somewhat of a pass for this year (though he still needs to add some quality players), but next year is on him.

Getting an occasional Top 100 and guys in the 100-200 range would put us in that range, I believe. We should be able to avoid some of the four year unranked projects that pulled some of Mick's classes down.

Gawd people are losing their minds one month into the season. Game threads have always been bat shyte crazy, but I fear people will take it to a whole new level this year.

(05-10-2019 07:50 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Gawd people are losing their minds one month into the season. Game threads have always been bat shyte crazy, but I fear people will take it to a whole new level this year.

Yes the WE Will Never Have it as Good as With Mick Contingent will be out in full force every time we fall behind in a game. And before that we can enjoy them pooh-poohing every coaching hire and player commitment Brannen announces.

(05-10-2019 08:03 AM)cincybb51 Wrote:  

(05-10-2019 07:50 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Gawd people are losing their minds one month into the season. Game threads have always been bat shyte crazy, but I fear people will take it to a whole new level this year.

Yes the WE Will Never Have it as Good as With Mick Contingent will be out in full force every time we fall behind in a game. And before that we can enjoy them pooh-poohing every coaching hire and player commitment Brannen announces.

Which is no different than the anti-Mick crowd has done for years. At this point I just want people to let CJB do his job a d we'll see where things land. This Chicken Little crap has been old from both sides for years.

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(05-10-2019 08:07 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-10-2019 08:03 AM)cincybb51 Wrote:  

(05-10-2019 07:50 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Gawd people are losing their minds one month into the season. Game threads have always been bat shyte crazy, but I fear people will take it to a whole new level this year.

Yes the WE Will Never Have it as Good as With Mick Contingent will be out in full force every time we fall behind in a game. And before that we can enjoy them pooh-poohing every coaching hire and player commitment Brannen announces.

Which is no different than the anti-Mick crowd has done for years. At this point I just want people to let CJB do his job a d we'll see where things land. This Chicken Little crap has been old from both sides for years.

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Agree with both of you.

(05-10-2019 07:50 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Gawd people are losing their minds one month into the season. Game threads have always been bat shyte crazy, but I fear people will take it to a whole new level this year.

I agree that it's way premature to hit the panic button, but you can't expect this time period to pass without comment when other schools are signing players and UC isn't. I'm surprised that Brannen didn't have at least have one in his pocket who was planning to sign for NKU, but good enough to play for UC.

(05-10-2019 08:25 AM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(05-10-2019 07:50 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Gawd people are losing their minds one month into the season. Game threads have always been bat shyte crazy, but I fear people will take it to a whole new level this year.

I agree that it's way premature to hit the panic button, but you can't expect this time period to pass without comment when other schools are signing players and UC isn't. I'm surprised that Brannen didn't have at least have one in his pocket who was planning to sign for NKU, but good enough to play for UC.

Its one thing to comment, its quite the other to start gloating over how "I told you only Mick could succeed here" and "Mike Bohn needs fired for not writing a blank check to Mick" (seen on various boards and social media outlets).

(05-10-2019 08:25 AM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(05-10-2019 07:50 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Gawd people are losing their minds one month into the season. Game threads have always been bat shyte crazy, but I fear people will take it to a whole new level this year.

I agree that it's way premature to hit the panic button, but you can't expect this time period to pass without comment when other schools are signing players and UC isn't. I'm surprised that Brannen didn't have at least have one in his pocket who was planning to sign for NKU, but good enough to play for UC.

If Brannen brought over an NKU prospect and signed him, people would lose their minds.