(02-12-2019 01:26 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Forget about some huge swap of schools that isn't going to happen.

If what these schools really want is to save money, they would have one conference office administer both conferences and each conference could cut its overhead almost in half. Each school would get a few hundred thousand more each year due to less money being skimmed off the top for conference overhead.

I've argued the same point. Can even negotiate the TV and bowl deals jointly if so desired.

If you REALLY are worried about travel, reduce the number of inter-divisional games and replace them with games from the other conference's division in your region.

What could decide this is the Alston's case against the NCAA. If he wins, the small budget FBS teams might be gone. New Mexico State and La.-Monroe for example. Or, the schools need to clustered up in several conferences. There would be some FCS schools that might look at this as well since they would be impacted as well. This would give schools like Missouri State looking to be with schools like Tulsa, Arkansas State and Northern Iowa.

(02-12-2019 02:12 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  The more options for conferences to get a package tv and online streaming contracts? More money could come in for CFP shares. More FBS conferences and schools could expand by getting more money into the system, and more bowl games.
Big Sky, CAA, MVFC, OVC, Southern and Southland conferences all have been very competitive towards and upsetting P5 schools more often than the other FCS conferences. You could open up new markets as well. The future you could see more schools added to FBS. SBC could expand to 12 football playing members by grabbing new markets.

Missouri State-Springfield
Lamar-Beaumont
Chattanooga-Chattanooga
North Florida-Jacksonville
Delaware-Philadelphia
James Madison-
Jackson State-Jackson
UCA-Conway/Little Rock

No David the way to go with an SBC-CUSA reorg is to form 2 conferences with 10 teams each and leave out 4 underperforming members that are not enough to form an additional FBS conference.

UTEP (distance/performance)
ULM (academics/performance)
Troy (academics)
Coastal (academics/performance)

SWC 10: UTSA, Rice, TxSt, UNT, Louisiana, LaTech, ASU, USM, UAB, USA

Metro 10: WKU, MTSU, Marshall, GaSo, GaSt, App St Charlotte, ODU, FAU, FIU

Cool retro names for each division. Then you have an underclass of independents that can play each other.

NMSU, UTEP, ULM, Troy, Coastal, Liberty, UMass

Divide and conquer...…..

No no no. Merge into one conference. Divide into palatable/geographic/political divisions of 6. Consolidate. Control FBS membership from the bottom. Raise the bar for newbies. Stay at 130 for a while. Let our brand names spread a little more.

You can't easily toss schools aside/out. Bad politics. Takes too long anyway. Adding schools, however, is fairly easy. Consuming the entire Sunbelt, warts and all, would let us sort it out correctly. That would also be 'good' politics.
Think about:
West: Rice, UTEP, UTSA, UNT, Ark State, TSU
SE: La Tech, ULaLa, USM, UAB, FAU, FIU
NE: App State, MTSU, WKU, Charlotte, ODU, Marshall
Sun: GSU,GStU, USA, Troy, CCU, ULaMo
You might switch CCU with App State depending on politics. TSU might get pushed to the Sun as well.

You would need 4-team playoff to crown a champion, but I still think that's doable legislation and it might prompt the SEC or B1G to start the dominos again. A 24-member C-USA would be insulated from those dominos. There would be strength in those numbers. I also like our chances for getting at-large bids to replace the automatic one we'd lose by merging.

(02-13-2019 08:24 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 02:12 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  The more options for conferences to get a package tv and online streaming contracts? More money could come in for CFP shares. More FBS conferences and schools could expand by getting more money into the system, and more bowl games.
Big Sky, CAA, MVFC, OVC, Southern and Southland conferences all have been very competitive towards and upsetting P5 schools more often than the other FCS conferences. You could open up new markets as well. The future you could see more schools added to FBS. SBC could expand to 12 football playing members by grabbing new markets.

Missouri State-Springfield
Lamar-Beaumont
Chattanooga-Chattanooga
North Florida-Jacksonville
Delaware-Philadelphia
James Madison-
Jackson State-Jackson
UCA-Conway/Little Rock

No David the way to go with an SBC-CUSA reorg is to form 2 conferences with 10 teams each and leave out 4 underperforming members that are not enough to form an additional FBS conference.

UTEP (distance/performance)
ULM (academics/performance)
Troy (academics)
Coastal (academics/performance)

SWC 10: UTSA, Rice, TxSt, UNT, Louisiana, LaTech, ASU, USM, UAB, USA

Metro 10: WKU, MTSU, Marshall, GaSo, GaSt, App St Charlotte, ODU, FAU, FIU

Cool retro names for each division. Then you have an underclass of independents that can play each other.

NMSU, UTEP, ULM, Troy, Coastal, Liberty, UMass

Divide and conquer...…..

Since this is all pure fantasy anyway, I went a step beyond my earlier post that created a "best of" conference out of C-USA and SBC. I took the "best of" the Mountain West Conference, which tossed four of their members into the Indy pool.

I further assumed that UConn wants in the Big East, and would go indy in football to do it. Now I had 10 indies - 6 in the west and 4 in the east. I waved my magic wand again, and tossed Old Dominion into the eastern pool (based strictly on geography) and pulled Hawaii out of the pool, leaving me with 5 eastern and 5 western schools - enough for a football only conference as follows:

West: San Jose St, UNLV, New Mexico, New Mexico State and UTEP

East: Army, UConn, UMass, Old Dominion and Liberty.

In this scenario, BYU becomes the ninth member of the MWC (giving them a 4 home/ 4 away league schedule), and Gonzaga joins the league in all sports except football.

This is where the magic really happens. The new conference plays only a six game league schedule. Round robin within each division, plus one home and one away against the other division to balance and minimize cross country travel.

The FBS Football Conference (FFC) plays six games at Hawaii every year (giving each of those teams a 13th game). In Week Zero, one team from the FFC East plays on a rotating basis. In the Weeks 10-14, the five FFC West teams travel to the South Pacific. As part of the compensation for shedding their four brethren, the MWC agrees to play three games at Hawaii (on a rotating basis, every third year) and to play five home/away games against the FFC West teams.

Hawaii goes along with this because it gives them (at least) 9 home games every year, with four additional games they can sell for a payday. Everybody in the FBS now has a decent October and November schedule. The FFC West virtually owns Week Zero, which they can leverage to get national exposure with minimal competition from other conferences.

All this leaves C-USA with 12 teams:

West: Louisiana, ULM, UTSA, Rice, North Texas, and Texas State

East: Florida Atlantic, Florida International, South Alabama, Georgia State, Charlotte and Coastal Carolina.

Everybody has dance partners.

(02-11-2019 04:36 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(02-10-2019 11:56 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  

(02-10-2019 02:23 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 06:36 PM)debragga Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 03:23 PM)WesternSkillet Wrote:  This SBC/CUSA topic seems to appear a few times a year. The basic advantage is lower traveling costs and creating regional rivalries for both conferences. The Sports Business Journal published an article about the subject a few years ago. It is called "A common-sense solution for conference realignment." The article includes NMSU and Idaho right before they left the SBC.





Even split map.

Take out JMU, move StAte to the eastern conference, and put ULM in the west and it looks good. We’re not going anywhere no matter how much certain people seem to want us to.

La. Tech will block La.-Monroe from joining. Missouri State have better men's basketball.

LA Tech doesn't want to be in the same division as the other LA universities...LA Tech can be is the west with the TX universities and stAte can be in the east division with LA-Monroe & LA-Lafayette...

You guys do not understand the politics in why some of the schools are not wanted in the first place. Some of the rejects like Texas State, La.-Monroe, Coastal Carolina are not wanted.

Texas State overlaps UTSA in the San Antonio market.
La.-Monroe crowds into La. Tech's turf.
Coastal Carolina came out of one of the bottom feeder conferences of the Big South.
New Mexico State is not wanted because they are on UTEP's turf.
Liberty is not wanted because of their hard core Religious beliefs that are much more worst than BYU.

There are better FCS schools that are wanted more than them.
Missouri State
Northern Iowa
James Madison
Stony Brook
Illinois State
NDSU
SDSU
South Dakota
Albany
Towson
Montana
Montana State

You get my drift?

So the schools actually invited to FBS conference are not wanted....

*Pours Coffee*

Go on....

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(02-13-2019 09:52 PM)USM@FTL Wrote:  No no no. Merge into one conference. Divide into palatable/geographic/political divisions of 6. Consolidate. Control FBS membership from the bottom. Raise the bar for newbies. Stay at 130 for a while. Let our brand names spread a little more.

You can't easily toss schools aside/out. Bad politics. Takes too long anyway. Adding schools, however, is fairly easy. Consuming the entire Sunbelt, warts and all, would let us sort it out correctly. That would also be 'good' politics.
Think about:
West: Rice, UTEP, UTSA, UNT, Ark State, TSU
SE: La Tech, ULaLa, USM, UAB, FAU, FIU
NE: App State, MTSU, WKU, Charlotte, ODU, Marshall
Sun: GSU,GStU, USA, Troy, CCU, ULaMo
You might switch CCU with App State depending on politics. TSU might get pushed to the Sun as well.

You would need 4-team playoff to crown a champion, but I still think that's doable legislation and it might prompt the SEC or B1G to start the dominos again. A 24-member C-USA would be insulated from those dominos. There would be strength in those numbers. I also like our chances for getting at-large bids to replace the automatic one we'd lose by merging.

Nope

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(02-14-2019 12:37 PM)panama Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 04:36 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(02-10-2019 11:56 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  

(02-10-2019 02:23 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 06:36 PM)debragga Wrote:  Take out JMU, move StAte to the eastern conference, and put ULM in the west and it looks good. We’re not going anywhere no matter how much certain people seem to want us to.

La. Tech will block La.-Monroe from joining. Missouri State have better men's basketball.

LA Tech doesn't want to be in the same division as the other LA universities...LA Tech can be is the west with the TX universities and stAte can be in the east division with LA-Monroe & LA-Lafayette...

You guys do not understand the politics in why some of the schools are not wanted in the first place. Some of the rejects like Texas State, La.-Monroe, Coastal Carolina are not wanted.

Texas State overlaps UTSA in the San Antonio market.
La.-Monroe crowds into La. Tech's turf.
Coastal Carolina came out of one of the bottom feeder conferences of the Big South.
New Mexico State is not wanted because they are on UTEP's turf.
Liberty is not wanted because of their hard core Religious beliefs that are much more worst than BYU.

There are better FCS schools that are wanted more than them.
Missouri State
Northern Iowa
James Madison
Stony Brook
Illinois State
NDSU
SDSU
South Dakota
Albany
Towson
Montana
Montana State

You get my drift?

So the schools actually invited to FBS conference are not wanted....

*Pours Coffee*

Go on....

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Texas State was a last minute add to the SBC. Were they a top choice to add? They just came up to D1 in the WAC. There were better options.
Coastal Carolina was not a top choice. SBC conference wanted James Madison, Chattanooga or Missouri State as number 10 in football.
Look at Idaho? They are a reject that nobody wanted. Same with Liberty and New Mexico State. At least there are some interests in Army, UMass. and BYU.

If the SBC gets picked apart? Texas State, La.-Monroe, Coastal Carolina, UTA and Little Rock would be rejected. They need to get Eastern Kentucky, Jacksonville State and Lamar who wanted FBS. Maybe a Youngstown State who could bide their time for a MAC offer. UTA and Little Rock needs to add football or find a new home. Get Jackson State, Grambling and Southern U. come up together since those 3 usually have a much better attendance record for football.
SBC ignores the teams like Lamar, Missouri State, Chattanooga, North Florida (adding football in Jacksonville) and others could lose them to other conferences.

Someone mentioned that the SBC should re-look at adding Chattanooga. They could have the money now to upgrading, and they could be the next Appalachian State and Georgia Southern program in the SBC. They could add another old rival on the east.

(02-13-2019 09:52 PM)USM@FTL Wrote:  No no no. Merge into one conference. Divide into palatable/geographic/political divisions of 6. Consolidate. Control FBS membership from the bottom. Raise the bar for newbies. Stay at 130 for a while. Let our brand names spread a little more.

You can't easily toss schools aside/out. Bad politics. Takes too long anyway. Adding schools, however, is fairly easy. Consuming the entire Sunbelt, warts and all, would let us sort it out correctly. That would also be 'good' politics.
Think about:
West: Rice, UTEP, UTSA, UNT, Ark State, TSU
SE: La Tech, ULaLa, USM, UAB, FAU, FIU
NE: App State, MTSU, WKU, Charlotte, ODU, Marshall
Sun: GSU,GStU, USA, Troy, CCU, ULaMo
You might switch CCU with App State depending on politics. TSU might get pushed to the Sun as well.

You would need 4-team playoff to crown a champion, but I still think that's doable legislation and it might prompt the SEC or B1G to start the dominos again. A 24-member C-USA would be insulated from those dominos. There would be strength in those numbers. I also like our chances for getting at-large bids to replace the automatic one we'd lose by merging.

Switch ULM and ArkSt. ArkSt recruits eastward, ULM HEAVILY recruits Texas (as in half of the starters being from Texas last year). Also ArkSt is nowhere near Texas and ULM is only a 2 hour drive from the state line. Or you could send LaTech to Texas, UAB to the Sun division and let ArkSt keep their closest conference rival (ULM) in the same division. Also Texas State isn’t called TSU, Texas Southern had the name first.

(02-14-2019 02:02 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(02-14-2019 12:37 PM)panama Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 04:36 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(02-10-2019 11:56 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  

(02-10-2019 02:23 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  La. Tech will block La.-Monroe from joining. Missouri State have better men's basketball.

LA Tech doesn't want to be in the same division as the other LA universities...LA Tech can be is the west with the TX universities and stAte can be in the east division with LA-Monroe & LA-Lafayette...

You guys do not understand the politics in why some of the schools are not wanted in the first place. Some of the rejects like Texas State, La.-Monroe, Coastal Carolina are not wanted.

Texas State overlaps UTSA in the San Antonio market.
La.-Monroe crowds into La. Tech's turf.
Coastal Carolina came out of one of the bottom feeder conferences of the Big South.
New Mexico State is not wanted because they are on UTEP's turf.
Liberty is not wanted because of their hard core Religious beliefs that are much more worst than BYU.

There are better FCS schools that are wanted more than them.
Missouri State
Northern Iowa
James Madison
Stony Brook
Illinois State
NDSU
SDSU
South Dakota
Albany
Towson
Montana
Montana State

You get my drift?

So the schools actually invited to FBS conference are not wanted....

*Pours Coffee*

Go on....

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Texas State was a last minute add to the SBC. Were they a top choice to add? They just came up to D1 in the WAC. There were better options.
Coastal Carolina was not a top choice. SBC conference wanted James Madison, Chattanooga or Missouri State as number 10 in football.
Look at Idaho? They are a reject that nobody wanted. Same with Liberty and New Mexico State. At least there are some interests in Army, UMass. and BYU.

If the SBC gets picked apart? Texas State, La.-Monroe, Coastal Carolina, UTA and Little Rock would be rejected. They need to get Eastern Kentucky, Jacksonville State and Lamar who wanted FBS. Maybe a Youngstown State who could bide their time for a MAC offer. UTA and Little Rock needs to add football or find a new home. Get Jackson State, Grambling and Southern U. come up together since those 3 usually have a much better attendance record for football.
SBC ignores the teams like Lamar, Missouri State, Chattanooga, North Florida (adding football in Jacksonville) and others could lose them to other conferences.

Someone mentioned that the SBC should re-look at adding Chattanooga. They could have the money now to upgrading, and they could be the next Appalachian State and Georgia Southern program in the SBC. They could add another old rival on the east.

We get it; you don't like Texas State, LA-Monroe, and Coastal Carolina. James Madison had their chance (twice) and they turned it down and the SBC moved on. The SBC is balanced and not likely to add a third school in a state with the possible exception of Texas. Eastern Kentucky is not financially stable and in the shadow of the Wildcats. Chattanooga is not joining the SBC without baseball. Missouri State is wanted but it's just not working out. Lamar was in the conference and they chose to leave. I would like to hear a compelling reason to add North Florida that does not include the fact that it is located in Florida or that they lost in their one single men's NCAAT appearance.

(02-14-2019 02:02 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(02-14-2019 12:37 PM)panama Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 04:36 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(02-10-2019 11:56 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  

(02-10-2019 02:23 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  La. Tech will block La.-Monroe from joining. Missouri State have better men's basketball.

LA Tech doesn't want to be in the same division as the other LA universities...LA Tech can be is the west with the TX universities and stAte can be in the east division with LA-Monroe & LA-Lafayette...

You guys do not understand the politics in why some of the schools are not wanted in the first place. Some of the rejects like Texas State, La.-Monroe, Coastal Carolina are not wanted.

Texas State overlaps UTSA in the San Antonio market.
La.-Monroe crowds into La. Tech's turf.
Coastal Carolina came out of one of the bottom feeder conferences of the Big South.
New Mexico State is not wanted because they are on UTEP's turf.
Liberty is not wanted because of their hard core Religious beliefs that are much more worst than BYU.

There are better FCS schools that are wanted more than them.
Missouri State
Northern Iowa
James Madison
Stony Brook
Illinois State
NDSU
SDSU
South Dakota
Albany
Towson
Montana
Montana State

You get my drift?

So the schools actually invited to FBS conference are not wanted....

*Pours Coffee*

Go on....

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Texas State was a last minute add to the SBC. Were they a top choice to add? They just came up to D1 in the WAC. There were better options.
Coastal Carolina was not a top choice. SBC conference wanted James Madison, Chattanooga or Missouri State as number 10 in football.
Look at Idaho? They are a reject that nobody wanted. Same with Liberty and New Mexico State. At least there are some interests in Army, UMass. and BYU.

If the SBC gets picked apart? Texas State, La.-Monroe, Coastal Carolina, UTA and Little Rock would be rejected. They need to get Eastern Kentucky, Jacksonville State and Lamar who wanted FBS. Maybe a Youngstown State who could bide their time for a MAC offer. UTA and Little Rock needs to add football or find a new home. Get Jackson State, Grambling and Southern U. come up together since those 3 usually have a much better attendance record for football.
SBC ignores the teams like Lamar, Missouri State, Chattanooga, North Florida (adding football in Jacksonville) and others could lose them to other conferences.

Someone mentioned that the SBC should re-look at adding Chattanooga. They could have the money now to upgrading, and they could be the next Appalachian State and Georgia Southern program in the SBC. They could add another old rival on the east.

Lol

You are drinking some good stuff.

So look at Texas State and Coastal's stadiums and tell me how Lamar, MissourI State and Eastern Kentucky would dig deep and spend 10's of millions investment wise to do something similar.

Coastal and Texas State and everyone else who came up the last round are in FBS because they stepped up and showed conferences they were ready monetarily to take the next step. Jacksonville State unfortunately is in the wrong state for the SBC and CUSA and JMU wanted a different conference. There is nobody else worth talking about. This is all a drunken fantasy of ifs and buts. The whole notion that you would take schools out of FBS that have invested millions and replace them with cash poor schools who are in FCS going "we good here" is beyond laughable. This is not a board game LOL.

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(02-13-2019 09:52 PM)USM@FTL Wrote:  No no no. Merge into one conference. Divide into palatable/geographic/political divisions of 6. Consolidate. Control FBS membership from the bottom. Raise the bar for newbies. Stay at 130 for a while. Let our brand names spread a little more.

You can't easily toss schools aside/out. Bad politics. Takes too long anyway. Adding schools, however, is fairly easy. Consuming the entire Sunbelt, warts and all, would let us sort it out correctly. That would also be 'good' politics.
Think about:
West: Rice, UTEP, UTSA, UNT, Ark State, TSU
SE: La Tech, ULaLa, USM, UAB, FAU, FIU
NE: App State, MTSU, WKU, Charlotte, ODU, Marshall
Sun: GSU,GStU, USA, Troy, CCU, ULaMo
You might switch CCU with App State depending on politics. TSU might get pushed to the Sun as well.

You would need 4-team playoff to crown a champion, but I still think that's doable legislation and it might prompt the SEC or B1G to start the dominos again. A 24-member C-USA would be insulated from those dominos. There would be strength in those numbers. I also like our chances for getting at-large bids to replace the automatic one we'd lose by merging.

I like this. Combine what another poster said earlier, abolish one of the league offices and control it under one roof.

I'd also say, the league office should be in charge of ALL scheduling, conference, bowls AND OOC. I think with more teams, you'd be able to have more leverage in negotiations as a bloc and be able to get your conference members quality home and homes rather than just buy games. Also, the buy games (if you elect to do them) could be leveraged for higher payouts / better terms.

A problem occurs when you consider the CFP payout. It's capped at 12 shares per conference. How do you manage having 24 teams under one roof? Then, who's tv deal takes center stage?

(02-15-2019 08:14 AM)panama Wrote:  

(02-14-2019 02:02 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(02-14-2019 12:37 PM)panama Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 04:36 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(02-10-2019 11:56 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  LA Tech doesn't want to be in the same division as the other LA universities...LA Tech can be is the west with the TX universities and stAte can be in the east division with LA-Monroe & LA-Lafayette...

You guys do not understand the politics in why some of the schools are not wanted in the first place. Some of the rejects like Texas State, La.-Monroe, Coastal Carolina are not wanted.

Texas State overlaps UTSA in the San Antonio market.
La.-Monroe crowds into La. Tech's turf.
Coastal Carolina came out of one of the bottom feeder conferences of the Big South.
New Mexico State is not wanted because they are on UTEP's turf.
Liberty is not wanted because of their hard core Religious beliefs that are much more worst than BYU.

There are better FCS schools that are wanted more than them.
Missouri State
Northern Iowa
James Madison
Stony Brook
Illinois State
NDSU
SDSU
South Dakota
Albany
Towson
Montana
Montana State

You get my drift?

So the schools actually invited to FBS conference are not wanted....

*Pours Coffee*

Go on....

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Texas State was a last minute add to the SBC. Were they a top choice to add? They just came up to D1 in the WAC. There were better options.
Coastal Carolina was not a top choice. SBC conference wanted James Madison, Chattanooga or Missouri State as number 10 in football.
Look at Idaho? They are a reject that nobody wanted. Same with Liberty and New Mexico State. At least there are some interests in Army, UMass. and BYU.

If the SBC gets picked apart? Texas State, La.-Monroe, Coastal Carolina, UTA and Little Rock would be rejected. They need to get Eastern Kentucky, Jacksonville State and Lamar who wanted FBS. Maybe a Youngstown State who could bide their time for a MAC offer. UTA and Little Rock needs to add football or find a new home. Get Jackson State, Grambling and Southern U. come up together since those 3 usually have a much better attendance record for football.
SBC ignores the teams like Lamar, Missouri State, Chattanooga, North Florida (adding football in Jacksonville) and others could lose them to other conferences.

Someone mentioned that the SBC should re-look at adding Chattanooga. They could have the money now to upgrading, and they could be the next Appalachian State and Georgia Southern program in the SBC. They could add another old rival on the east.

Lol

You are drinking some good stuff.

So look at Texas State and Coastal's stadiums and tell me how Lamar, MissourI State and Eastern Kentucky would dig deep and spend 10's of millions investment wise to do something similar.

Coastal and Texas State and everyone else who came up the last round are in FBS because they stepped up and showed conferences they were ready monetarily to take the next step. Jacksonville State unfortunately is in the wrong state for the SBC and CUSA and JMU wanted a different conference. There is nobody else worth talking about. This is all a drunken fantasy of ifs and buts. The whole notion that you would take schools out of FBS that have invested millions and replace them with cash poor schools who are in FCS going "we good here" is beyond laughable. This is not a board game LOL.

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If it was I'd totally buy it for hubby's mancave.

(02-15-2019 11:04 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(02-13-2019 09:52 PM)USM@FTL Wrote:  No no no. Merge into one conference. Divide into palatable/geographic/political divisions of 6. Consolidate. Control FBS membership from the bottom. Raise the bar for newbies. Stay at 130 for a while. Let our brand names spread a little more.

You can't easily toss schools aside/out. Bad politics. Takes too long anyway. Adding schools, however, is fairly easy. Consuming the entire Sunbelt, warts and all, would let us sort it out correctly. That would also be 'good' politics.
Think about:
West: Rice, UTEP, UTSA, UNT, Ark State, TSU
SE: La Tech, ULaLa, USM, UAB, FAU, FIU
NE: App State, MTSU, WKU, Charlotte, ODU, Marshall
Sun: GSU,GStU, USA, Troy, CCU, ULaMo
You might switch CCU with App State depending on politics. TSU might get pushed to the Sun as well.

You would need 4-team playoff to crown a champion, but I still think that's doable legislation and it might prompt the SEC or B1G to start the dominos again. A 24-member C-USA would be insulated from those dominos. There would be strength in those numbers. I also like our chances for getting at-large bids to replace the automatic one we'd lose by merging.

I like this. Combine what another poster said earlier, abolish one of the league offices and control it under one roof.

I'd also say, the league office should be in charge of ALL scheduling, conference, bowls AND OOC. I think with more teams, you'd be able to have more leverage in negotiations as a bloc and be able to get your conference members quality home and homes rather than just buy games. Also, the buy games (if you elect to do them) could be leveraged for higher payouts / better terms.

A problem occurs when you consider the CFP payout. It's capped at 12 shares per conference. How do you manage having 24 teams under one roof? Then, who's tv deal takes center stage?

Very simple. You remain two different conferences. Just because you consolidate under one commissioner, one league office, one TV deal, one supervisor of officials doesn't mean you have to become one conference as long as each conference meets the schedule requirements to have a championship game and auto bids.

You can't play a 12 game schedule and have a four-team playoff for football as suggested by USM@FTL

But let's say someone does the vaunted SBC/CUSA mashup. You still have a Sun Belt and you still have a CUSA.

For the moment let's say there are no line up changes but the administrative consolidation takes place

In football you do this.
Each school plays a full round robin in their division. CUSA teams would play six divisional games and Sun Belt four.
CUSA teams would then play two more vs teams in Sun Belt in lieu of conference games. Sun Belt teams would play a mix of CUSA and other division Sun Belt teams to get 8 games scheduled by the league office. None of these crossovers count toward the conference standings.

The two Sun Belt division champs meet for the Sun Belt title, the two CUSA meet for the CUSA title.

In basketball to be eligible for an autobid you have to play EITHER a full double round robing OR 14 games. So let's have the league schedule 6 more games.

A Sun Belt team would play some mix of 14 Sun Belt teams and then six more games against CUSA that don't count toward the standings and CUSA would play 14 CUSA games (enough for a single round robin and one rival twice) and 6 Sun Belt. If you want, front load the 14 games and then use the floating pod system each is adopting to assign the last six games insuring the top RPI teams only face each other down the stretch regardless of conference.

(02-15-2019 12:38 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(02-15-2019 08:14 AM)panama Wrote:  

(02-14-2019 02:02 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(02-14-2019 12:37 PM)panama Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 04:36 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  You guys do not understand the politics in why some of the schools are not wanted in the first place. Some of the rejects like Texas State, La.-Monroe, Coastal Carolina are not wanted.

Texas State overlaps UTSA in the San Antonio market.
La.-Monroe crowds into La. Tech's turf.
Coastal Carolina came out of one of the bottom feeder conferences of the Big South.
New Mexico State is not wanted because they are on UTEP's turf.
Liberty is not wanted because of their hard core Religious beliefs that are much more worst than BYU.

There are better FCS schools that are wanted more than them.
Missouri State
Northern Iowa
James Madison
Stony Brook
Illinois State
NDSU
SDSU
South Dakota
Albany
Towson
Montana
Montana State

You get my drift?

So the schools actually invited to FBS conference are not wanted....

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Go on....

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Texas State was a last minute add to the SBC. Were they a top choice to add? They just came up to D1 in the WAC. There were better options.
Coastal Carolina was not a top choice. SBC conference wanted James Madison, Chattanooga or Missouri State as number 10 in football.
Look at Idaho? They are a reject that nobody wanted. Same with Liberty and New Mexico State. At least there are some interests in Army, UMass. and BYU.

If the SBC gets picked apart? Texas State, La.-Monroe, Coastal Carolina, UTA and Little Rock would be rejected. They need to get Eastern Kentucky, Jacksonville State and Lamar who wanted FBS. Maybe a Youngstown State who could bide their time for a MAC offer. UTA and Little Rock needs to add football or find a new home. Get Jackson State, Grambling and Southern U. come up together since those 3 usually have a much better attendance record for football.
SBC ignores the teams like Lamar, Missouri State, Chattanooga, North Florida (adding football in Jacksonville) and others could lose them to other conferences.

Someone mentioned that the SBC should re-look at adding Chattanooga. They could have the money now to upgrading, and they could be the next Appalachian State and Georgia Southern program in the SBC. They could add another old rival on the east.

Lol

You are drinking some good stuff.

So look at Texas State and Coastal's stadiums and tell me how Lamar, MissourI State and Eastern Kentucky would dig deep and spend 10's of millions investment wise to do something similar.

Coastal and Texas State and everyone else who came up the last round are in FBS because they stepped up and showed conferences they were ready monetarily to take the next step. Jacksonville State unfortunately is in the wrong state for the SBC and CUSA and JMU wanted a different conference. There is nobody else worth talking about. This is all a drunken fantasy of ifs and buts. The whole notion that you would take schools out of FBS that have invested millions and replace them with cash poor schools who are in FCS going "we good here" is beyond laughable. This is not a board game LOL.

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(02-15-2019 04:19 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(02-15-2019 11:04 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(02-13-2019 09:52 PM)USM@FTL Wrote:  No no no. Merge into one conference. Divide into palatable/geographic/political divisions of 6. Consolidate. Control FBS membership from the bottom. Raise the bar for newbies. Stay at 130 for a while. Let our brand names spread a little more.

You can't easily toss schools aside/out. Bad politics. Takes too long anyway. Adding schools, however, is fairly easy. Consuming the entire Sunbelt, warts and all, would let us sort it out correctly. That would also be 'good' politics.
Think about:
West: Rice, UTEP, UTSA, UNT, Ark State, TSU
SE: La Tech, ULaLa, USM, UAB, FAU, FIU
NE: App State, MTSU, WKU, Charlotte, ODU, Marshall
Sun: GSU,GStU, USA, Troy, CCU, ULaMo
You might switch CCU with App State depending on politics. TSU might get pushed to the Sun as well.

You would need 4-team playoff to crown a champion, but I still think that's doable legislation and it might prompt the SEC or B1G to start the dominos again. A 24-member C-USA would be insulated from those dominos. There would be strength in those numbers. I also like our chances for getting at-large bids to replace the automatic one we'd lose by merging.

I like this. Combine what another poster said earlier, abolish one of the league offices and control it under one roof.

I'd also say, the league office should be in charge of ALL scheduling, conference, bowls AND OOC. I think with more teams, you'd be able to have more leverage in negotiations as a bloc and be able to get your conference members quality home and homes rather than just buy games. Also, the buy games (if you elect to do them) could be leveraged for higher payouts / better terms.

A problem occurs when you consider the CFP payout. It's capped at 12 shares per conference. How do you manage having 24 teams under one roof? Then, who's tv deal takes center stage?

Very simple. You remain two different conferences. Just because you consolidate under one commissioner, one league office, one TV deal, one supervisor of officials doesn't mean you have to become one conference as long as each conference meets the schedule requirements to have a championship game and auto bids.

You can't play a 12 game schedule and have a four-team playoff for football as suggested by USM@FTL

But let's say someone does the vaunted SBC/CUSA mashup. You still have a Sun Belt and you still have a CUSA.

For the moment let's say there are no line up changes but the administrative consolidation takes place

In football you do this.
Each school plays a full round robin in their division. CUSA teams would play six divisional games and Sun Belt four.
CUSA teams would then play two more vs teams in Sun Belt in lieu of conference games. Sun Belt teams would play a mix of CUSA and other division Sun Belt teams to get 8 games scheduled by the league office. None of these crossovers count toward the conference standings.

The two Sun Belt division champs meet for the Sun Belt title, the two CUSA meet for the CUSA title.

In basketball to be eligible for an autobid you have to play EITHER a full double round robing OR 14 games. So let's have the league schedule 6 more games.

A Sun Belt team would play some mix of 14 Sun Belt teams and then six more games against CUSA that don't count toward the standings and CUSA would play 14 CUSA games (enough for a single round robin and one rival twice) and 6 Sun Belt. If you want, front load the 14 games and then use the floating pod system each is adopting to assign the last six games insuring the top RPI teams only face each other down the stretch regardless of conference.

Ummm

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(02-15-2019 04:55 PM)panama Wrote:  

(02-15-2019 04:19 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(02-15-2019 11:04 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(02-13-2019 09:52 PM)USM@FTL Wrote:  No no no. Merge into one conference. Divide into palatable/geographic/political divisions of 6. Consolidate. Control FBS membership from the bottom. Raise the bar for newbies. Stay at 130 for a while. Let our brand names spread a little more.

You can't easily toss schools aside/out. Bad politics. Takes too long anyway. Adding schools, however, is fairly easy. Consuming the entire Sunbelt, warts and all, would let us sort it out correctly. That would also be 'good' politics.
Think about:
West: Rice, UTEP, UTSA, UNT, Ark State, TSU
SE: La Tech, ULaLa, USM, UAB, FAU, FIU
NE: App State, MTSU, WKU, Charlotte, ODU, Marshall
Sun: GSU,GStU, USA, Troy, CCU, ULaMo
You might switch CCU with App State depending on politics. TSU might get pushed to the Sun as well.

You would need 4-team playoff to crown a champion, but I still think that's doable legislation and it might prompt the SEC or B1G to start the dominos again. A 24-member C-USA would be insulated from those dominos. There would be strength in those numbers. I also like our chances for getting at-large bids to replace the automatic one we'd lose by merging.

I like this. Combine what another poster said earlier, abolish one of the league offices and control it under one roof.

I'd also say, the league office should be in charge of ALL scheduling, conference, bowls AND OOC. I think with more teams, you'd be able to have more leverage in negotiations as a bloc and be able to get your conference members quality home and homes rather than just buy games. Also, the buy games (if you elect to do them) could be leveraged for higher payouts / better terms.

A problem occurs when you consider the CFP payout. It's capped at 12 shares per conference. How do you manage having 24 teams under one roof? Then, who's tv deal takes center stage?

Very simple. You remain two different conferences. Just because you consolidate under one commissioner, one league office, one TV deal, one supervisor of officials doesn't mean you have to become one conference as long as each conference meets the schedule requirements to have a championship game and auto bids.

You can't play a 12 game schedule and have a four-team playoff for football as suggested by USM@FTL

But let's say someone does the vaunted SBC/CUSA mashup. You still have a Sun Belt and you still have a CUSA.

For the moment let's say there are no line up changes but the administrative consolidation takes place

In football you do this.
Each school plays a full round robin in their division. CUSA teams would play six divisional games and Sun Belt four.
CUSA teams would then play two more vs teams in Sun Belt in lieu of conference games. Sun Belt teams would play a mix of CUSA and other division Sun Belt teams to get 8 games scheduled by the league office. None of these crossovers count toward the conference standings.

The two Sun Belt division champs meet for the Sun Belt title, the two CUSA meet for the CUSA title.

In basketball to be eligible for an autobid you have to play EITHER a full double round robing OR 14 games. So let's have the league schedule 6 more games.

A Sun Belt team would play some mix of 14 Sun Belt teams and then six more games against CUSA that don't count toward the standings and CUSA would play 14 CUSA games (enough for a single round robin and one rival twice) and 6 Sun Belt. If you want, front load the 14 games and then use the floating pod system each is adopting to assign the last six games insuring the top RPI teams only face each other down the stretch regardless of conference.

Ummm

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Yeah I'm out too. Let's just keep it how it is and see what happens.

(02-15-2019 04:52 PM)panama Wrote:  

(02-15-2019 12:38 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(02-15-2019 08:14 AM)panama Wrote:  

(02-14-2019 02:02 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(02-14-2019 12:37 PM)panama Wrote:  So the schools actually invited to FBS conference are not wanted....

*Pours Coffee*

Go on....

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Texas State was a last minute add to the SBC. Were they a top choice to add? They just came up to D1 in the WAC. There were better options.
Coastal Carolina was not a top choice. SBC conference wanted James Madison, Chattanooga or Missouri State as number 10 in football.
Look at Idaho? They are a reject that nobody wanted. Same with Liberty and New Mexico State. At least there are some interests in Army, UMass. and BYU.

If the SBC gets picked apart? Texas State, La.-Monroe, Coastal Carolina, UTA and Little Rock would be rejected. They need to get Eastern Kentucky, Jacksonville State and Lamar who wanted FBS. Maybe a Youngstown State who could bide their time for a MAC offer. UTA and Little Rock needs to add football or find a new home. Get Jackson State, Grambling and Southern U. come up together since those 3 usually have a much better attendance record for football.
SBC ignores the teams like Lamar, Missouri State, Chattanooga, North Florida (adding football in Jacksonville) and others could lose them to other conferences.

Someone mentioned that the SBC should re-look at adding Chattanooga. They could have the money now to upgrading, and they could be the next Appalachian State and Georgia Southern program in the SBC. They could add another old rival on the east.

Lol

You are drinking some good stuff.

So look at Texas State and Coastal's stadiums and tell me how Lamar, MissourI State and Eastern Kentucky would dig deep and spend 10's of millions investment wise to do something similar.

Coastal and Texas State and everyone else who came up the last round are in FBS because they stepped up and showed conferences they were ready monetarily to take the next step. Jacksonville State unfortunately is in the wrong state for the SBC and CUSA and JMU wanted a different conference. There is nobody else worth talking about. This is all a drunken fantasy of ifs and buts. The whole notion that you would take schools out of FBS that have invested millions and replace them with cash poor schools who are in FCS going "we good here" is beyond laughable. This is not a board game LOL.

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Let’s see:
Geography cards,
Media Markets cards,
Academics cards,
Rivaly spinner, ratings dice...

(02-13-2019 08:24 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 02:12 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  The more options for conferences to get a package tv and online streaming contracts? More money could come in for CFP shares. More FBS conferences and schools could expand by getting more money into the system, and more bowl games.
Big Sky, CAA, MVFC, OVC, Southern and Southland conferences all have been very competitive towards and upsetting P5 schools more often than the other FCS conferences. You could open up new markets as well. The future you could see more schools added to FBS. SBC could expand to 12 football playing members by grabbing new markets.

Missouri State-Springfield
Lamar-Beaumont
Chattanooga-Chattanooga
North Florida-Jacksonville
Delaware-Philadelphia
James Madison-
Jackson State-Jackson
UCA-Conway/Little Rock

No David the way to go with an SBC-CUSA reorg is to form 2 conferences with 10 teams each and leave out 4 underperforming members that are not enough to form an additional FBS conference.

UTEP (distance/performance)
ULM (academics/performance)
Troy (academics)
Coastal (academics/performance)

SWC 10: UTSA, Rice, TxSt, UNT, Louisiana, LaTech, ASU, USM, UAB, USA

Metro 10: WKU, MTSU, Marshall, GaSo, GaSt, App St Charlotte, ODU, FAU, FIU

Cool retro names for each division. Then you have an underclass of independents that can play each other.

NMSU, UTEP, ULM, Troy, Coastal, Liberty, UMass

Divide and conquer...…..

So you actually agree with this above post Panama???

(02-15-2019 08:14 AM)panama Wrote:  

(02-14-2019 02:02 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(02-14-2019 12:37 PM)panama Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 04:36 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(02-10-2019 11:56 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  LA Tech doesn't want to be in the same division as the other LA universities...LA Tech can be is the west with the TX universities and stAte can be in the east division with LA-Monroe & LA-Lafayette...

You guys do not understand the politics in why some of the schools are not wanted in the first place. Some of the rejects like Texas State, La.-Monroe, Coastal Carolina are not wanted.

Texas State overlaps UTSA in the San Antonio market.
La.-Monroe crowds into La. Tech's turf.
Coastal Carolina came out of one of the bottom feeder conferences of the Big South.
New Mexico State is not wanted because they are on UTEP's turf.
Liberty is not wanted because of their hard core Religious beliefs that are much more worst than BYU.

There are better FCS schools that are wanted more than them.
Missouri State
Northern Iowa
James Madison
Stony Brook
Illinois State
NDSU
SDSU
South Dakota
Albany
Towson
Montana
Montana State

You get my drift?

So the schools actually invited to FBS conference are not wanted....

*Pours Coffee*

Go on....

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Texas State was a last minute add to the SBC. Were they a top choice to add? They just came up to D1 in the WAC. There were better options.
Coastal Carolina was not a top choice. SBC conference wanted James Madison, Chattanooga or Missouri State as number 10 in football.
Look at Idaho? They are a reject that nobody wanted. Same with Liberty and New Mexico State. At least there are some interests in Army, UMass. and BYU.

If the SBC gets picked apart? Texas State, La.-Monroe, Coastal Carolina, UTA and Little Rock would be rejected. They need to get Eastern Kentucky, Jacksonville State and Lamar who wanted FBS. Maybe a Youngstown State who could bide their time for a MAC offer. UTA and Little Rock needs to add football or find a new home. Get Jackson State, Grambling and Southern U. come up together since those 3 usually have a much better attendance record for football.
SBC ignores the teams like Lamar, Missouri State, Chattanooga, North Florida (adding football in Jacksonville) and others could lose them to other conferences.

Someone mentioned that the SBC should re-look at adding Chattanooga. They could have the money now to upgrading, and they could be the next Appalachian State and Georgia Southern program in the SBC. They could add another old rival on the east.

Lol

You are drinking some good stuff.

So look at Texas State and Coastal's stadiums and tell me how Lamar, MissourI State and Eastern Kentucky would dig deep and spend 10's of millions investment wise to do something similar.

Coastal and Texas State and everyone else who came up the last round are in FBS because they stepped up and showed conferences they were ready monetarily to take the next step. Jacksonville State unfortunately is in the wrong state for the SBC and CUSA and JMU wanted a different conference. There is nobody else worth talking about. This is all a drunken fantasy of ifs and buts. The whole notion that you would take schools out of FBS that have invested millions and replace them with cash poor schools who are in FCS going "we good here" is beyond laughable. This is not a board game LOL.

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Lamar, Jacksonville State and Missouri State along with Northern Iowa started spending for replacement and upgrading their stadiums before or at 2012 time period. Lamar was upgrading their facilities at the same time as Texas State and are FBS ready. They were visited by WAC officials at the same time as Texas State, UTSA and UTA. WAC made a mistake not inviting them the year UTSA got their invite. Missouri State already have an FBS size stadium, and in 2012, they announced replacement of scoreboard and other things for their stadium. This was the time the rumor of WAC and MVFC would merge for football only FBS conference. The hang up were Idaho. They would have done the merger if Idaho left the conference. NoDak's idea for the Dakota schools to join with Montanas and Idaho for FBS when the Dakota schools did not want Idaho in the conference back in 2012. There were still the Texas schools, Hawaii, Utah State and San Jose State still in the conference. Those schools were easier access by airport which Idaho was not. WAC could have invited the 3 Dakota schools as full members in 2012, and Denver may have stayed in the WAC.