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RE: Should the Sun Belt & C-USA form an alliance or partnership to help both leagues?
These threads are always stupid. The fans, and more importantly, institutions that complain about travel costs and float these ideas about realigning C-USA and the Sun Belt, simply do not have the votes to do it. And, as things stand now, they will never have the votes unless some programs in C-USA move on to greener pastures. The only other option is for those unhappy programs to pay their exit fees and leave.

What would be a better use of this thread, would be to get fans on record as to where they stand, so we can identify the programs pushing this C-USA/Sun Belt realignment agenda, and everyone can see how far from reality an actual reshuffling is from happening. I'll go first.

Side Show Joe (North Texas)- Against a merger or reshuffling of programs between the two conferences.
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RE: Should the Sun Belt & C-USA form an alliance or partnership to help both leagues?
Against any CUSA/SBC Merger or realignment.

Wouldn’t mind eliminating all FCS games & replacing with one permanent interconference game. An annual MT-GaSo matchup could be entertaining as a first or last game every year.
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RE: Should the Sun Belt & C-USA form an alliance or partnership to help both leagues?
Against any CUSA/SBC Merrell or realignment.

Wouldn’t mind eliminating all FCS games & replacing with one permanent interconference game. An annual MT-GaSo matchup could be entertaining as a first or last game every year.
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RE: Should the Sun Belt & C-USA form an alliance or partnership to help both leagues?
(02-15-2019 04:19 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Remain two different conferences. Just because you consolidate under one commissioner, one league office, one TV deal, one supervisor of officials doesn't mean you have to become one conference as long as each conference meets the schedule requirements to have a championship game.

In football you do this.
Each school plays a full round robin in their division. CUSA teams would play six divisional games and Sun Belt four.
CUSA teams would then play two more vs teams in Sun Belt in lieu of conference games. Sun Belt teams would play a mix of CUSA and other division Sun Belt teams to get 8 games scheduled by the league office. None of these crossovers count toward the conference standings.

The two Sun Belt division champs meet for the Sun Belt title, the two CUSA meet for the CUSA title.
In football you could administer a 3rd conference and teams could schedule whoever they want and a computer could easily group teams by schedule into 4-team divisions to ensure all 3 conferences have round-robin divisions.
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RE: Should the Sun Belt & C-USA form an alliance or partnership to help both leagues?
(02-15-2019 09:01 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  
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(02-14-2019 02:02 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Texas State was a last minute add to the SBC. Were they a top choice to add? They just came up to D1 in the WAC. There were better options.
Coastal Carolina was not a top choice. SBC conference wanted James Madison, Chattanooga or Missouri State as number 10 in football.
Look at Idaho? They are a reject that nobody wanted. Same with Liberty and New Mexico State. At least there are some interests in Army, UMass. and BYU.

If the SBC gets picked apart? Texas State, La.-Monroe, Coastal Carolina, UTA and Little Rock would be rejected. They need to get Eastern Kentucky, Jacksonville State and Lamar who wanted FBS. Maybe a Youngstown State who could bide their time for a MAC offer. UTA and Little Rock needs to add football or find a new home. Get Jackson State, Grambling and Southern U. come up together since those 3 usually have a much better attendance record for football.
SBC ignores the teams like Lamar, Missouri State, Chattanooga, North Florida (adding football in Jacksonville) and others could lose them to other conferences.

Someone mentioned that the SBC should re-look at adding Chattanooga. They could have the money now to upgrading, and they could be the next Appalachian State and Georgia Southern program in the SBC. They could add another old rival on the east.
Lol

You are drinking some good stuff.

So look at Texas State and Coastal's stadiums and tell me how Lamar, MissourI State and Eastern Kentucky would dig deep and spend 10's of millions investment wise to do something similar.

Coastal and Texas State and everyone else who came up the last round are in FBS because they stepped up and showed conferences they were ready monetarily to take the next step. Jacksonville State unfortunately is in the wrong state for the SBC and CUSA and JMU wanted a different conference. There is nobody else worth talking about. This is all a drunken fantasy of ifs and buts. The whole notion that you would take schools out of FBS that have invested millions and replace them with cash poor schools who are in FCS going "we good here" is beyond laughable. This is not a board game LOL.

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Agree, & I want one too.

Let’s see:
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without a doubt, a great idea. who will develop this game.
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(02-16-2019 10:48 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  These threads are always stupid. The fans, and more importantly, institutions that complain about travel costs and float these ideas about realigning C-USA and the Sun Belt, simply do not have the votes to do it. And, as things stand now, they will never have the votes unless some programs in C-USA move on to greener pastures. The only other option is for those unhappy programs to pay their exit fees and leave.

What would be a better use of this thread, would be to get fans on record as to where they stand, so we can identify the programs pushing this C-USA/Sun Belt realignment agenda, and everyone can see how far from reality an actual reshuffling is from happening. I'll go first.

Side Show Joe (North Texas)- Against a merger or reshuffling of programs between the two conferences.

your idea is not bad, considering how much this topic is brought up. however the stance of the fans from the 5 former Sun Belt teams can easily be guessed, the remainder of C-USA fans is more telling to me.

i also believe the reshuffle will never happen. i am more receptive of a "best of" type of structure IF any movement happens at all.
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The problems with CUSA/SBC fans are that they do know not what the schools want for which schools to join. If there are realignment be agreed to? UTEP would be gone because they do not want New Mexico State. Missouri State is the hot topic that most of the schools want. Not just an airport? Missouri State's basketball is valuable to get. Rice would love the competition. Some schools would be left behind. That is why I bring up some better FCS schools as replacement for the rejects.
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Missouri St or JMU had the chance to be #10 in the Belt but neither budged. With the CFP payout capped at $1 million per team up to 10 teams the Sun Belt is closed.
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(02-16-2019 04:18 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Missouri St or JMU had the chance to be #10 in the Belt but neither budged. With the CFP payout capped at $1 million per team up to 10 teams the Sun Belt is closed.


Would the SBC be happy to replace La.-Monroe with Missouri State?
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ULM has made the commitment and no school would vote to expell them
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(02-16-2019 02:48 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  
(02-15-2019 09:01 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  
(02-15-2019 04:52 PM)panama Wrote:  
(02-15-2019 12:38 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  
(02-15-2019 08:14 AM)panama Wrote:  Lol

You are drinking some good stuff.

So look at Texas State and Coastal's stadiums and tell me how Lamar, MissourI State and Eastern Kentucky would dig deep and spend 10's of millions investment wise to do something similar.

Coastal and Texas State and everyone else who came up the last round are in FBS because they stepped up and showed conferences they were ready monetarily to take the next step. Jacksonville State unfortunately is in the wrong state for the SBC and CUSA and JMU wanted a different conference. There is nobody else worth talking about. This is all a drunken fantasy of ifs and buts. The whole notion that you would take schools out of FBS that have invested millions and replace them with cash poor schools who are in FCS going "we good here" is beyond laughable. This is not a board game LOL.

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Agree, & I want one too.

Let’s see:
Geography cards,
Media Markets cards,
Academics cards,
Rivaly spinner, ratings dice...

without a doubt, a great idea. who will develop this game.

I’d have to also buy the David Street expansion pack with schools like Randolph-Macon, Voorhees and Lewis and Clark.
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RE: Should the Sun Belt & C-USA form an alliance or partnership to help both leagues?
(02-16-2019 02:52 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  
(02-16-2019 10:48 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  These threads are always stupid. The fans, and more importantly, institutions that complain about travel costs and float these ideas about realigning C-USA and the Sun Belt, simply do not have the votes to do it. And, as things stand now, they will never have the votes unless some programs in C-USA move on to greener pastures. The only other option is for those unhappy programs to pay their exit fees and leave.

What would be a better use of this thread, would be to get fans on record as to where they stand, so we can identify the programs pushing this C-USA/Sun Belt realignment agenda, and everyone can see how far from reality an actual reshuffling is from happening. I'll go first.

Side Show Joe (North Texas)- Against a merger or reshuffling of programs between the two conferences.

your idea is not bad, considering how much this topic is brought up. however the stance of the fans from the 5 former Sun Belt teams can easily be guessed, the remainder of C-USA fans is more telling to me.

i also believe the reshuffle will never happen. i am more receptive of a "best of" type of structure IF any movement happens at all.

Just the former Sun Belt programs are enough to stop any fundamental change to C-USA. Also, the four Texas programs, which would vote together, are enough to block a lineup change. LA Tech would almost certainly vote with the Texas programs too, which only strengthens the oposition's side.

As for a best of conference.... I believe that will occur in time, but when it does, it will probably be a best of the G5 conference. The top 10 to 12 G5 programs, that are truly committed to playing football at the highest possible level, will form it. If you want to get an idea of which programs are positioning their teams for inclusion, follow the success and the money. Look and see which programs are forking over the most money for the best coaches and staffs. Which are investing in their facilities at a higher level then the rest. Look at which programs are successfully developing donations and new revenue streams to adequately fund their growth. And, look at which programs are stringing together bowl seasons. I think this new "Best of the G5" conference will consist of members that are currently in the AAC, MWC, C-USA, and possibly the MAC & Sun Belt. This new conference will be a true coast to coast conference, because the programs included will care more about conferencing with the best possible programs, rather than take the isolationist approach of saving a few bucks on travel in a regional conference.
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RE: Should the Sun Belt & C-USA form an alliance or partnership to help both leagues?
(02-16-2019 02:48 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  
(02-15-2019 09:01 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  
(02-15-2019 04:52 PM)panama Wrote:  
(02-15-2019 12:38 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  
(02-15-2019 08:14 AM)panama Wrote:  Lol

You are drinking some good stuff.

So look at Texas State and Coastal's stadiums and tell me how Lamar, MissourI State and Eastern Kentucky would dig deep and spend 10's of millions investment wise to do something similar.

Coastal and Texas State and everyone else who came up the last round are in FBS because they stepped up and showed conferences they were ready monetarily to take the next step. Jacksonville State unfortunately is in the wrong state for the SBC and CUSA and JMU wanted a different conference. There is nobody else worth talking about. This is all a drunken fantasy of ifs and buts. The whole notion that you would take schools out of FBS that have invested millions and replace them with cash poor schools who are in FCS going "we good here" is beyond laughable. This is not a board game LOL.

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Agree, & I want one too.

Let’s see:
Geography cards,
Media Markets cards,
Academics cards,
Rivaly spinner, ratings dice...

without a doubt, a great idea. who will develop this game.

I would buy it also!!
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(02-16-2019 04:42 PM)AppinVA Wrote:  
(02-16-2019 02:48 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  
(02-15-2019 09:01 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  
(02-15-2019 04:52 PM)panama Wrote:  
(02-15-2019 12:38 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  If it was I'd totally buy it for hubby's mancave.
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Agree, & I want one too.

Let’s see:
Geography cards,
Media Markets cards,
Academics cards,
Rivaly spinner, ratings dice...
t

without a doubt, a great idea. who will develop this game.

I’d have to also buy the David Street expansion pack with schools like Randolph-Macon, Voorhees and Lewis and Clark.
Yes!!! Don’t forget the NoDak expansion also!!
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(02-16-2019 07:07 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(02-15-2019 08:14 AM)panama Wrote:  
(02-14-2019 02:02 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(02-14-2019 12:37 PM)panama Wrote:  
(02-11-2019 04:36 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  You guys do not understand the politics in why some of the schools are not wanted in the first place. Some of the rejects like Texas State, La.-Monroe, Coastal Carolina are not wanted.

Texas State overlaps UTSA in the San Antonio market.
La.-Monroe crowds into La. Tech's turf.
Coastal Carolina came out of one of the bottom feeder conferences of the Big South.
New Mexico State is not wanted because they are on UTEP's turf.
Liberty is not wanted because of their hard core Religious beliefs that are much more worst than BYU.

There are better FCS schools that are wanted more than them.
Missouri State
Northern Iowa
James Madison
Stony Brook
Illinois State
NDSU
SDSU
South Dakota
Albany
Towson
Montana
Montana State

You get my drift?
So the schools actually invited to FBS conference are not wanted....

*Pours Coffee*

Go on....

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Texas State was a last minute add to the SBC. Were they a top choice to add? They just came up to D1 in the WAC. There were better options.
Coastal Carolina was not a top choice. SBC conference wanted James Madison, Chattanooga or Missouri State as number 10 in football.
Look at Idaho? They are a reject that nobody wanted. Same with Liberty and New Mexico State. At least there are some interests in Army, UMass. and BYU.

If the SBC gets picked apart? Texas State, La.-Monroe, Coastal Carolina, UTA and Little Rock would be rejected. They need to get Eastern Kentucky, Jacksonville State and Lamar who wanted FBS. Maybe a Youngstown State who could bide their time for a MAC offer. UTA and Little Rock needs to add football or find a new home. Get Jackson State, Grambling and Southern U. come up together since those 3 usually have a much better attendance record for football.
SBC ignores the teams like Lamar, Missouri State, Chattanooga, North Florida (adding football in Jacksonville) and others could lose them to other conferences.

Someone mentioned that the SBC should re-look at adding Chattanooga. They could have the money now to upgrading, and they could be the next Appalachian State and Georgia Southern program in the SBC. They could add another old rival on the east.
Lol

You are drinking some good stuff.

So look at Texas State and Coastal's stadiums and tell me how Lamar, MissourI State and Eastern Kentucky would dig deep and spend 10's of millions investment wise to do something similar.

Coastal and Texas State and everyone else who came up the last round are in FBS because they stepped up and showed conferences they were ready monetarily to take the next step. Jacksonville State unfortunately is in the wrong state for the SBC and CUSA and JMU wanted a different conference. There is nobody else worth talking about. This is all a drunken fantasy of ifs and buts. The whole notion that you would take schools out of FBS that have invested millions and replace them with cash poor schools who are in FCS going "we good here" is beyond laughable. This is not a board game LOL.

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Lamar, Jacksonville State and Missouri State along with Northern Iowa started spending for replacement and upgrading their stadiums before or at 2012 time period. Lamar was upgrading their facilities at the same time as Texas State and are FBS ready. They were visited by WAC officials at the same time as Texas State, UTSA and UTA. WAC made a mistake not inviting them the year UTSA got their invite. Missouri State already have an FBS size stadium, and in 2012, they announced replacement of scoreboard and other things for their stadium. This was the time the rumor of WAC and MVFC would merge for football only FBS conference. The hang up were Idaho. They would have done the merger if Idaho left the conference. NoDak's idea for the Dakota schools to join with Montanas and Idaho for FBS when the Dakota schools did not want Idaho in the conference back in 2012. There were still the Texas schools, Hawaii, Utah State and San Jose State still in the conference. Those schools were easier access by airport which Idaho was not. WAC could have invited the 3 Dakota schools as full members in 2012, and Denver may have stayed in the WAC.
Make.it.stop.

If they were ready, wanted to and were better candidates they would BE here. Period.

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(02-16-2019 04:25 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(02-16-2019 04:18 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Missouri St or JMU had the chance to be #10 in the Belt but neither budged. With the CFP payout capped at $1 million per team up to 10 teams the Sun Belt is closed.


Would the SBC be happy to replace La.-Monroe with Missouri State?
NO

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(02-16-2019 08:56 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(02-16-2019 02:48 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  
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(02-15-2019 12:38 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  If it was I'd totally buy it for hubby's mancave.
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Agree, & I want one too.

Let’s see:
Geography cards,
Media Markets cards,
Academics cards,
Rivaly spinner, ratings dice...

without a doubt, a great idea. who will develop this game.

I would buy it also!!
Should have a penalty where on one round you have to correctly name a DavidSt list or lose a turn.

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Agree, & I want one too.

Let’s see:
Geography cards,
Media Markets cards,
Academics cards,
Rivaly spinner, ratings dice...
t

without a doubt, a great idea. who will develop this game.

I’d have to also buy the David Street expansion pack with schools like Randolph-Macon, Voorhees and Lewis and Clark.
Yes!!! Don’t forget the NoDak expansion also!!

Ooh, a WAC Pack.
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unless at-large bids are on the table for the new league, I just don't see the point.
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