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RE: Should the Sun Belt & C-USA form an alliance or partnership to help both leagues?
Basically, the NCAA is promoting a Skakespearian view of realignment.

The first thing you do, is kill another conference.

I think that's from Henry VI.


In order to get an autobid and some CFP money, you better make sure you are replacing, not creating, more mouths to feed.

Do that, and it's a good bet you'll get all applicable waivers.
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(02-09-2019 10:47 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(02-09-2019 10:42 AM)panama Wrote:  
(02-09-2019 10:40 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Look at it this way, we're at the perfect size for FB and UTA/LR offer perfect travel companions of TxSt/ArkSt for the other conference schools on in Oly sports

Liberty has a toxic name in education just based on their image as a degree mill with a football team. That's not even taking to account for the religious and political stigmas as well.

JMU had the chance and turned it down. That's fine and CCU has been a great add instead and is actually more beneficial since it's close to App (like JMU) but also close to GaSt and GaSo. Get's the belt in the new state of SC and adds wonderful baseball (which is big in the Belt).
And CUSA really has this insurmountable problem, which I am.not convinced they do, it will work itself out either by internal adjustment or by airport meeting.

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The trouble with the airport meeting route is that there's no guarantee the breakaway group would get the blessing (and autobid and playoff cash) from the NCAA/CFP.

The safest way to do an airport meeting is to invite all 24 football schools to the meeting. The SBC schools who are defending UTA and UALR agree to vote them out of the SBC in exchange for getting closer schools from C-USA once the reshuffle occurs.

When somebody suggests that the starting point for a reorganization is that one of the negotiating parties has to kick someone out, that's pretty much a guarantee that the conversation won't go any further. The reality here is that the SBC likes what they have, and they don't need to do anything. They believe (and I'm inclined to agree with them) that their status relative to C-USA is only going to improve over time. They have nothing to gain. Until that changes, we internet reorganizers can keep posting this idea until the cows come home and nothing will happen.
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(02-11-2019 11:13 AM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  
(02-10-2019 12:18 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  ...No. Arkansas State would not prefer CUSA West.
AState recruits Alabama and Georgia more heavily than Texas....

I understand your points. Recruiting is everything.

CUSA West may not be the best place for stAte, but being in the EASTERN Division of a SW league that includes USM and at least 1 Alabama school just might be where you and I end up.

This guy gets it! It's not about the whole group of 12--it's about the division--the 4-6 schools they get to play annually.

UTEP, UTSA, and Rice aren't the sell for Ark St to associate with the western members of C-USA. It's USM, LA Tech, UAB, and MTSU.
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(02-11-2019 11:13 AM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  
(02-10-2019 12:18 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  ...No. Arkansas State would not prefer CUSA West.
AState recruits Alabama and Georgia more heavily than Texas....

I understand your points. Recruiting is everything.

CUSA West may not be the best place for stAte, but being in the EASTERN Division of a SW league that includes USM and at least 1 Alabama school just might be where you and I end up.

OK, so Arkansas State recruits Alabama and Georgia more heavily than Texas. There are 4 SBC football opponents in Alabama and Georgia and just 1 in Texas. If Arkansas State were to play more Texas teams, then they would recruit Texas more heavily. Isn't recruiting mainly a function of where you play? Wouldn't Texas be as good a grounds for recruiting as (or better than) Alabama and Georgia?
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(02-11-2019 02:49 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(02-11-2019 02:39 PM)Crayton Wrote:  With the new CCG rules, what would stop them from doing 3 (football-only) conferences of 8, each split into 2 divisions. Teams could essentially prioritize playing whoever they want (rivalries by region, culture, football prowess, etc.) and only "have to" play the 3 teams in their division.

Seems like there is no downside, though of course I'm probably missing something.

If I'm understanding correctly, there's no guarantee that the third newly created conference would be welcomed into the CFP and therefore not receive a seasonal payout or receive autobids to the NCAA tournaments.
I imagine this as a football-only alliance, assuming that is where more money (if there is any) can be squeezed from the existing teams. I also agree the 2 wouldn't get a 3rd share of CFP money; the only question there would be which teams are eligible for that G5 spot.

In the end it as most have pointed out. What would the Sun Belt have to gain? Texas State could get a schedule upgrade? The impetus of such an alliance would be TV money; if they could get more money together than separate it may happen, though the Sun Belt may have the leverage to demand an equal 50:50 split (and maybe a guaranteed 3 of the 6 CCG spots if they did the 6 divisions of 4 idea).
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(02-11-2019 08:42 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
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(02-10-2019 12:18 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  ...No. Arkansas State would not prefer CUSA West.
AState recruits Alabama and Georgia more heavily than Texas....

I understand your points. Recruiting is everything.

CUSA West may not be the best place for stAte, but being in the EASTERN Division of a SW league that includes USM and at least 1 Alabama school just might be where you and I end up.

OK, so Arkansas State recruits Alabama and Georgia more heavily than Texas. There are 4 SBC football opponents in Alabama and Georgia and just 1 in Texas. If Arkansas State were to play more Texas teams, then they would recruit Texas more heavily. Isn't recruiting mainly a function of where you play? Wouldn't Texas be as good a grounds for recruiting as (or better than) Alabama and Georgia?

Location is the main reason for recruiting and playing in Alabama rather than in Texas. Arkansas State is closer to Mobile, Troy, Chattanooga, and Columbus, GA than Dallas. Atlanta is only 15 miles farther from Jonesboro than Dallas.
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The more options for conferences to get a package tv and online streaming contracts? More money could come in for CFP shares. More FBS conferences and schools could expand by getting more money into the system, and more bowl games.
Big Sky, CAA, MVFC, OVC, Southern and Southland conferences all have been very competitive towards and upsetting P5 schools more often than the other FCS conferences. You could open up new markets as well. The future you could see more schools added to FBS. SBC could expand to 12 football playing members by grabbing new markets.

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(02-11-2019 08:42 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
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(02-10-2019 12:18 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  ...No. Arkansas State would not prefer CUSA West.
AState recruits Alabama and Georgia more heavily than Texas....

I understand your points. Recruiting is everything.

CUSA West may not be the best place for stAte, but being in the EASTERN Division of a SW league that includes USM and at least 1 Alabama school just might be where you and I end up.

OK, so Arkansas State recruits Alabama and Georgia more heavily than Texas. There are 4 SBC football opponents in Alabama and Georgia and just 1 in Texas. If Arkansas State were to play more Texas teams, then they would recruit Texas more heavily. Isn't recruiting mainly a function of where you play? Wouldn't Texas be as good a grounds for recruiting as (or better than) Alabama and Georgia?

Did Southern Miss miss recruiting the city of Memphis when Memphis left to go to the AAC? How about recruiting New Orleans before Tulane departed?? Arkansas State is very different from U of Arkansas. U of Arkansas used to play in the SWC and had a big rivalry with Texas and another with Texas A&M. The pigs recruited Texas on a regular basis and loved it when TAMU joined the SEC. Yes, U of Arkansas got to recruit Alabama after the rivalry with Texas was over and before A&M joined, but it wasn’t the same. Fayetteville also is in the western part of the state of Arkansas and it isn’t too far from the Texas state border. Jonesboro, Arkansas, home of Arkansas State, is located in the eastern part of the state, bordering the state of Tennessee and the city of Memphis. Memphis is a looong way from the state of Texas, but it is close to the states of Alabama & Georgia.
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Right now, we have two leagues. Both are essentially one-bid leagues for the NCAAT most of the time. Neither, because each has a pretty weak bottom half for football pulling down their SOS, are going to be consistent contenders for a G5 berth in the CFP. Neither can command a significant media contract without going the MAC route and moving a bunch of games to week nights.

Reshuffling the deck based on geography isn't going to help anybody in a meaningful way. IMO, only one move makes much sense. Even if it means giving up tournament credits or some CFP money in the short run, I could see a group of schools from each of these conferences breaking away to form a new conference based on their historic football strength. The following conference, if it formed, would be pretty close to being on a par with the AAC and MWC very soon.

Louisiana Tech
Arkansas State
Appalachian State
Western Kentucky
Marshall
Troy
Georgia Southern
Southern Miss
Middle Tennessee
UAB

This is a football conference of peers - any one of these schools could win the conference and every game would likely be competitive. While not in major markets, these schools represent nine different states without being overly dispersed geographically.

These schools, if they joined together, would be betting on their ability to grow their stature for the long run, not a quick buck.
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(02-12-2019 02:00 AM)AZcats Wrote:  
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(02-10-2019 12:18 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  ...No. Arkansas State would not prefer CUSA West.
AState recruits Alabama and Georgia more heavily than Texas....

I understand your points. Recruiting is everything.

CUSA West may not be the best place for stAte, but being in the EASTERN Division of a SW league that includes USM and at least 1 Alabama school just might be where you and I end up.

OK, so Arkansas State recruits Alabama and Georgia more heavily than Texas. There are 4 SBC football opponents in Alabama and Georgia and just 1 in Texas. If Arkansas State were to play more Texas teams, then they would recruit Texas more heavily. Isn't recruiting mainly a function of where you play? Wouldn't Texas be as good a grounds for recruiting as (or better than) Alabama and Georgia?

Location is the main reason for recruiting and playing in Alabama rather than in Texas. Arkansas State is closer to Mobile, Troy, Chattanooga, and Columbus, GA than Dallas. Atlanta is only 15 miles farther from Jonesboro than Dallas.

Exactly. We recruited Georgia when there were no teams in Georgia and recruited Alabama when the Sun Belt had no teams in Alabama.

Our Texas recruiting has always been DFW metro and Houston metro because we can send an assistant and let him hit several schools in one day and come back, the easy to find guys.

I've not checked in some time but years ago, Boise State, you could map their recruits and they primarily came from clusters around airports that had direct flights to Boise.
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(02-12-2019 02:00 AM)AZcats Wrote:  
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(02-10-2019 12:18 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  ...No. Arkansas State would not prefer CUSA West.
AState recruits Alabama and Georgia more heavily than Texas....

I understand your points. Recruiting is everything.

CUSA West may not be the best place for stAte, but being in the EASTERN Division of a SW league that includes USM and at least 1 Alabama school just might be where you and I end up.

OK, so Arkansas State recruits Alabama and Georgia more heavily than Texas. There are 4 SBC football opponents in Alabama and Georgia and just 1 in Texas. If Arkansas State were to play more Texas teams, then they would recruit Texas more heavily. Isn't recruiting mainly a function of where you play? Wouldn't Texas be as good a grounds for recruiting as (or better than) Alabama and Georgia?

Location is the main reason for recruiting and playing in Alabama rather than in Texas. Arkansas State is closer to Mobile, Troy, Chattanooga, and Columbus, GA than Dallas. Atlanta is only 15 miles farther from Jonesboro than Dallas.

Historically Arkansas St. has been with Louisiana and Texas schools. In the Southland. In the Sun Belt as well. North Texas was replaced with Texas St.
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(02-11-2019 11:30 PM)Crayton Wrote:  
(02-11-2019 02:49 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(02-11-2019 02:39 PM)Crayton Wrote:  With the new CCG rules, what would stop them from doing 3 (football-only) conferences of 8, each split into 2 divisions. Teams could essentially prioritize playing whoever they want (rivalries by region, culture, football prowess, etc.) and only "have to" play the 3 teams in their division.

Seems like there is no downside, though of course I'm probably missing something.

If I'm understanding correctly, there's no guarantee that the third newly created conference would be welcomed into the CFP and therefore not receive a seasonal payout or receive autobids to the NCAA tournaments.
I imagine this as a football-only alliance, assuming that is where more money (if there is any) can be squeezed from the existing teams. I also agree the 2 wouldn't get a 3rd share of CFP money; the only question there would be which teams are eligible for that G5 spot.

In the end it as most have pointed out. What would the Sun Belt have to gain? Texas State could get a schedule upgrade? The impetus of such an alliance would be TV money; if they could get more money together than separate it may happen, though the Sun Belt may have the leverage to demand an equal 50:50 split (and maybe a guaranteed 3 of the 6 CCG spots if they did the 6 divisions of 4 idea).

Neither conference makes significant TV money. Any realignment would be about reducing travel $$s as the ODU AD has been talking about. Of course, ODU could have joined the Sun Belt instead 5 or 6 years ago.

Now maybe they could get more regional TV coverage, but that wouldn't mean much in the way of $$s.
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(02-12-2019 10:13 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 02:00 AM)AZcats Wrote:  
(02-11-2019 08:42 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
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(02-10-2019 12:18 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  ...No. Arkansas State would not prefer CUSA West.
AState recruits Alabama and Georgia more heavily than Texas....

I understand your points. Recruiting is everything.

CUSA West may not be the best place for stAte, but being in the EASTERN Division of a SW league that includes USM and at least 1 Alabama school just might be where you and I end up.

OK, so Arkansas State recruits Alabama and Georgia more heavily than Texas. There are 4 SBC football opponents in Alabama and Georgia and just 1 in Texas. If Arkansas State were to play more Texas teams, then they would recruit Texas more heavily. Isn't recruiting mainly a function of where you play? Wouldn't Texas be as good a grounds for recruiting as (or better than) Alabama and Georgia?

Location is the main reason for recruiting and playing in Alabama rather than in Texas. Arkansas State is closer to Mobile, Troy, Chattanooga, and Columbus, GA than Dallas. Atlanta is only 15 miles farther from Jonesboro than Dallas.

Historically Arkansas St. has been with Louisiana and Texas schools. In the Southland. In the Sun Belt as well. North Texas was replaced with Texas St.
And prior to that we played a mix of independents and non-conference schools located to our east in the Southeast and Midwest.

We aligned with what was available to us to align with and had not Interstate 30 opened between Little Rock and Dallas probably still would not have done so.
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Cost cutting with travel is only a part of what should be considered. Keeping and growing rivalries that put butts in the seats and checks coming in for the alumni clubs is super important for a program to grow. Troy, stAte and CCU might be "new" for App, but they bring in the fans to Kidd Brewer. Having traveling partners in each state helps keep cost down in Oly sports too. I see zero desire from any App alum that I have spoken to in the last two years that want to rearrange the deck chairs. UNCC and Marshall will bring in a lot of fans, but getting them on the OOC schedule was easy enough. Why rock the boat.
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People need to think of Arkansas State like they would Memphis instead of Fayetteville.
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(02-12-2019 08:43 AM)ken d Wrote:  Right now, we have two leagues. Both are essentially one-bid leagues for the NCAAT most of the time. Neither, because each has a pretty weak bottom half for football pulling down their SOS, are going to be consistent contenders for a G5 berth in the CFP. Neither can command a significant media contract without going the MAC route and moving a bunch of games to week nights.

Reshuffling the deck based on geography isn't going to help anybody in a meaningful way. IMO, only one move makes much sense. Even if it means giving up tournament credits or some CFP money in the short run, I could see a group of schools from each of these conferences breaking away to form a new conference based on their historic football strength. The following conference, if it formed, would be pretty close to being on a par with the AAC and MWC very soon.

Louisiana Tech
Arkansas State
Appalachian State
Western Kentucky
Marshall
Troy
Georgia Southern
Southern Miss
Middle Tennessee
UAB

This is a football conference of peers - any one of these schools could win the conference and every game would likely be competitive. While not in major markets, these schools represent nine different states without being overly dispersed geographically.

These schools, if they joined together, would be betting on their ability to grow their stature for the long run, not a quick buck.

Got to include North Texas. UNT, IMO, is the western version of UCF. One of those rare urban schools that takes football seriously. For now, I don’t mind you leaving off the Florida twins. Yes, Lane Kiffin has worked wonders with FAU, but we all know that one call from a serious P5 powerhouse is all that it would take to lure him away, and then what would FAU have?? Would they be able to find someone just as successful to take his place like UCF and Cincinnati have done or would they just make a hire that would cause them to slide back into football obscurity.
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(02-12-2019 08:43 AM)ken d Wrote:  Right now, we have two leagues. Both are essentially one-bid leagues for the NCAAT most of the time. Neither, because each has a pretty weak bottom half for football pulling down their SOS, are going to be consistent contenders for a G5 berth in the CFP. Neither can command a significant media contract without going the MAC route and moving a bunch of games to week nights.

Reshuffling the deck based on geography isn't going to help anybody in a meaningful way. IMO, only one move makes much sense. Even if it means giving up tournament credits or some CFP money in the short run, I could see a group of schools from each of these conferences breaking away to form a new conference based on their historic football strength. The following conference, if it formed, would be pretty close to being on a par with the AAC and MWC very soon.

Louisiana Tech
Arkansas State
Appalachian State
Western Kentucky
Marshall
Troy
Georgia Southern
Southern Miss
Middle Tennessee
UAB

This is a football conference of peers - any one of these schools could win the conference and every game would likely be competitive. While not in major markets, these schools represent nine different states without being overly dispersed geographically.

These schools, if they joined together, would be betting on their ability to grow their stature for the long run, not a quick buck.

Out of curiousity, I calculated the average of the final Sagarin rating for these ten schools for the 2018 season. Their average of 64.96 was slightly better than either the MWC (64.54) or the AAC (64.43). There is no statistically meaningful difference among the three, and all would be substantially better than all remaining G5 conferences.
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(02-12-2019 12:27 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 08:43 AM)ken d Wrote:  Right now, we have two leagues. Both are essentially one-bid leagues for the NCAAT most of the time. Neither, because each has a pretty weak bottom half for football pulling down their SOS, are going to be consistent contenders for a G5 berth in the CFP. Neither can command a significant media contract without going the MAC route and moving a bunch of games to week nights.

Reshuffling the deck based on geography isn't going to help anybody in a meaningful way. IMO, only one move makes much sense. Even if it means giving up tournament credits or some CFP money in the short run, I could see a group of schools from each of these conferences breaking away to form a new conference based on their historic football strength. The following conference, if it formed, would be pretty close to being on a par with the AAC and MWC very soon.

Louisiana Tech
Arkansas State
Appalachian State
Western Kentucky
Marshall
Troy
Georgia Southern
Southern Miss
Middle Tennessee
UAB

This is a football conference of peers - any one of these schools could win the conference and every game would likely be competitive. While not in major markets, these schools represent nine different states without being overly dispersed geographically.

These schools, if they joined together, would be betting on their ability to grow their stature for the long run, not a quick buck.

Out of curiousity, I calculated the average of the final Sagarin rating for these ten schools for the 2018 season. Their average of 64.96 was slightly better than either the MWC (64.54) or the AAC (64.43). There is no statistically meaningful difference among the three, and all would be substantially better than all remaining G5 conferences.

The SEC-lite. Sign me up!
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(02-12-2019 11:48 AM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  People need to think of Arkansas State like they would Memphis instead of Fayetteville.

Considering you fly into Memphis that is correct.
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Forget about some huge swap of schools that isn't going to happen.

If what these schools really want is to save money, they would have one conference office administer both conferences and each conference could cut its overhead almost in half. Each school would get a few hundred thousand more each year due to less money being skimmed off the top for conference overhead.
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