(02-08-2019 01:34 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  UConn lost its second consecutive offensive coordinator today to another position, as John Dunn took the TE Coach position with the NY Jets. Reports are that it is for the same salary as he had at UConn (Rhett Lashlee left UConn for SMU last year). What makes the situation worse, as it was one day after national signing day, was that Edsall took a paycut and, out of pocket, paid for a pay increase for Dunn a few weeks ago, while also naming him as the "head coach in-waiting". The team promoted its OL Coach, who does not have any OC experience, as its new OC.

The problem is that UConn is unwilling, or unable, to spend more money because A) it $40 million in the red, B) ticket sales and fan support or way down and C) the football program is currently at its lowest stretch since being called up to FBS (recruiting ranking yesterday was #126 nationally, and #12 in the AAC). Edsall is barely making over $1 million per year.

Tough to have support when the program is struggling terribly, and it is tough to compete and improve when you don't have the support. Vicious cycle. Even with a new President, nothing changes to the struggling financial situation the athletic department finds itself in.

UConn is a state flagship. A national brand in basketball. I have a lot of respect for the Huskies...but this is pretty concerning.

Edsall is a good coach...but his return has been a total failure. 4 wins the past two years... he paid 150K out of pocket so that Dunn would stay...and Dunn bolted the day after signing day.

The Huskies new OC is the offensive line coach who just got promoted.... I don't think he has any experience calling plays.

They are promoting a couple of Grad Assistants into coaching positions..

UConn is in deep Shiite now. They were unable to get an and experienced QB to transfer in.... they recruited a division II QB to come in and carry the load. current QB's have thrown less than 50 passes...

UConn's defense was historically bad last year and the recruiting class they just got seems pretty bad.

some Div 2 transfers...several Canadians....

Normally the solution would be to spend money on a big time coach to replace Edsall... but the program was 40 million in the red last season.

(02-04-2019 03:24 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  UMAss. came up as a leading candidate for expansion to help UConn. out. I do not think UConn.'s going get a P5 invite unless the ACC gets raided by the Big 10 and SEC.
BYU does have issues that needs to be fixed. Big 12 fans would have boycotted them because how they treated rapped victims.
Cincinnati have no problems.

The schools ranked for P5 status by college football experts.

1.Boise State
2.BYU
3.Cinncinnati
4.UCF
5.USF
6.Memphis
7.UConn.
8.Northern Illinois
9.San Diego State
10.Colorado State

But we know how some school presidents feel. They want strong academics, but the fans want competition that brings excitement.

P5 school Presidents = Tulane/Johns Hopkins type schools
P5 fans want =Boise State/UCF/San Diego State/Memphis/Cincinnati/Toldeo/Northern Illinois/Appalachian State/North Dakota State

I wonder if UConn's money woes could help if the AAC brings in schools to fill in the gaps on the east side?

Can you provide actual proof that P5 fans want Boise/UCF/San Diego etc and make sure to provide links that P5 presidents want Tulane and Johns Hopkins type schools?

(02-08-2019 10:56 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 03:24 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  UMAss. came up as a leading candidate for expansion to help UConn. out. I do not think UConn.'s going get a P5 invite unless the ACC gets raided by the Big 10 and SEC.
BYU does have issues that needs to be fixed. Big 12 fans would have boycotted them because how they treated rapped victims.
Cincinnati have no problems.

The schools ranked for P5 status by college football experts.

1.Boise State
2.BYU
3.Cinncinnati
4.UCF
5.USF
6.Memphis
7.UConn.
8.Northern Illinois
9.San Diego State
10.Colorado State

But we know how some school presidents feel. They want strong academics, but the fans want competition that brings excitement.

P5 school Presidents = Tulane/Johns Hopkins type schools
P5 fans want =Boise State/UCF/San Diego State/Memphis/Cincinnati/Toldeo/Northern Illinois/Appalachian State/North Dakota State

I wonder if UConn's money woes could help if the AAC brings in schools to fill in the gaps on the east side?

Can you provide actual proof that P5 fans want Boise/UCF/San Diego etc and make sure to provide links that P5 presidents want Tulane and Johns Hopkins type schools?

I can’t answer all of your questions directed towards Davey Boy K, but I will tell you Tulane came up for a vote to replace Arkansas when they left the SWC. They were also a finalist for the Big XII most recently, as were Rice, SMU, and Air Force. Feel free to search the web for the 11 finalists as I’ve posted it multiple times to refute the naysayers. Academics matter to presidents!! It’s their JOB.

(02-08-2019 11:18 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 10:56 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 03:24 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  UMAss. came up as a leading candidate for expansion to help UConn. out. I do not think UConn.'s going get a P5 invite unless the ACC gets raided by the Big 10 and SEC.
BYU does have issues that needs to be fixed. Big 12 fans would have boycotted them because how they treated rapped victims.
Cincinnati have no problems.

The schools ranked for P5 status by college football experts.

1.Boise State
2.BYU
3.Cinncinnati
4.UCF
5.USF
6.Memphis
7.UConn.
8.Northern Illinois
9.San Diego State
10.Colorado State

But we know how some school presidents feel. They want strong academics, but the fans want competition that brings excitement.

P5 school Presidents = Tulane/Johns Hopkins type schools
P5 fans want =Boise State/UCF/San Diego State/Memphis/Cincinnati/Toldeo/Northern Illinois/Appalachian State/North Dakota State

I wonder if UConn's money woes could help if the AAC brings in schools to fill in the gaps on the east side?

Can you provide actual proof that P5 fans want Boise/UCF/San Diego etc and make sure to provide links that P5 presidents want Tulane and Johns Hopkins type schools?

I can’t answer all of your questions directed towards Davey Boy K, but I will tell you Tulane came up for a vote to replace Arkansas when they left the SWC. They were also a finalist for the Big XII most recently, as were Rice, SMU, and Air Force. Feel free to search the web for the 11 finalists as I’ve posted it multiple times to refute the naysayers. Academics matter to presidents!! It’s their JOB.

I’m good friends with Longhorn Foundation member. Asked him about Houston pouring millions into their program and he said we don’t need another Tech

(02-08-2019 11:44 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 11:18 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 10:56 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 03:24 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  UMAss. came up as a leading candidate for expansion to help UConn. out. I do not think UConn.'s going get a P5 invite unless the ACC gets raided by the Big 10 and SEC.
BYU does have issues that needs to be fixed. Big 12 fans would have boycotted them because how they treated rapped victims.
Cincinnati have no problems.

The schools ranked for P5 status by college football experts.

1.Boise State
2.BYU
3.Cinncinnati
4.UCF
5.USF
6.Memphis
7.UConn.
8.Northern Illinois
9.San Diego State
10.Colorado State

But we know how some school presidents feel. They want strong academics, but the fans want competition that brings excitement.

P5 school Presidents = Tulane/Johns Hopkins type schools
P5 fans want =Boise State/UCF/San Diego State/Memphis/Cincinnati/Toldeo/Northern Illinois/Appalachian State/North Dakota State

I wonder if UConn's money woes could help if the AAC brings in schools to fill in the gaps on the east side?

Can you provide actual proof that P5 fans want Boise/UCF/San Diego etc and make sure to provide links that P5 presidents want Tulane and Johns Hopkins type schools?

I can’t answer all of your questions directed towards Davey Boy K, but I will tell you Tulane came up for a vote to replace Arkansas when they left the SWC. They were also a finalist for the Big XII most recently, as were Rice, SMU, and Air Force. Feel free to search the web for the 11 finalists as I’ve posted it multiple times to refute the naysayers. Academics matter to presidents!! It’s their JOB.

I’m good friends with Longhorn Foundation member. Asked him about Houston pouring millions into their program and he said we don’t need another Tech

That is awesome. Did he contact Kirby and tell him to cease operations at Tech?

Did you ask him why UT won't play UH?

(02-08-2019 11:18 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 10:56 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 03:24 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  UMAss. came up as a leading candidate for expansion to help UConn. out. I do not think UConn.'s going get a P5 invite unless the ACC gets raided by the Big 10 and SEC.
BYU does have issues that needs to be fixed. Big 12 fans would have boycotted them because how they treated rapped victims.
Cincinnati have no problems.

The schools ranked for P5 status by college football experts.

1.Boise State
2.BYU
3.Cinncinnati
4.UCF
5.USF
6.Memphis
7.UConn.
8.Northern Illinois
9.San Diego State
10.Colorado State

But we know how some school presidents feel. They want strong academics, but the fans want competition that brings excitement.

P5 school Presidents = Tulane/Johns Hopkins type schools
P5 fans want =Boise State/UCF/San Diego State/Memphis/Cincinnati/Toldeo/Northern Illinois/Appalachian State/North Dakota State

I wonder if UConn's money woes could help if the AAC brings in schools to fill in the gaps on the east side?

Can you provide actual proof that P5 fans want Boise/UCF/San Diego etc and make sure to provide links that P5 presidents want Tulane and Johns Hopkins type schools?

I can’t answer all of your questions directed towards Davey Boy K, but I will tell you Tulane came up for a vote to replace Arkansas when they left the SWC. They were also a finalist for the Big XII most recently, as were Rice, SMU, and Air Force. Feel free to search the web for the 11 finalists as I’ve posted it multiple times to refute the naysayers. Academics matter to presidents!! It’s their JOB.

I like it.

(02-09-2019 01:53 AM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 11:18 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 10:56 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 03:24 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  UMAss. came up as a leading candidate for expansion to help UConn. out. I do not think UConn.'s going get a P5 invite unless the ACC gets raided by the Big 10 and SEC.
BYU does have issues that needs to be fixed. Big 12 fans would have boycotted them because how they treated rapped victims.
Cincinnati have no problems.

The schools ranked for P5 status by college football experts.

1.Boise State
2.BYU
3.Cinncinnati
4.UCF
5.USF
6.Memphis
7.UConn.
8.Northern Illinois
9.San Diego State
10.Colorado State

But we know how some school presidents feel. They want strong academics, but the fans want competition that brings excitement.

P5 school Presidents = Tulane/Johns Hopkins type schools
P5 fans want =Boise State/UCF/San Diego State/Memphis/Cincinnati/Toldeo/Northern Illinois/Appalachian State/North Dakota State

I wonder if UConn's money woes could help if the AAC brings in schools to fill in the gaps on the east side?

Can you provide actual proof that P5 fans want Boise/UCF/San Diego etc and make sure to provide links that P5 presidents want Tulane and Johns Hopkins type schools?

I can’t answer all of your questions directed towards Davey Boy K, but I will tell you Tulane came up for a vote to replace Arkansas when they left the SWC. They were also a finalist for the Big XII most recently, as were Rice, SMU, and Air Force. Feel free to search the web for the 11 finalists as I’ve posted it multiple times to refute the naysayers. Academics matter to presidents!! It’s their JOB.

I like it.

So Tulane came up for a vote and lost. So did Rice, SMU, and Air Force, among others (according to you - all we really know is that those schools applied for consideration). How is that an argument that they were wanted? Sounds like the opposite.

Academics matter to presidents only in a negative sense. They are an excuse to keep a school out of your conference, not a reason to invite them in. The question of academics doesn't even come up unless a conference's media partner has already agreed to increase their payout sufficiently to keep existing members at least whole or pretty close to it.

The list of G5 schools that would make it far enough to even have a vote taken by a P5 conference is very short.

Unless all the other school can monetize the academic chops of Rice, Tulane, et al they don’t do a
darn thing for a conf. You other conferences can have Tulane— they are doing nothing but dragging the AAC down in terms of contact value, basketball RPI, etc

(02-09-2019 07:20 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 01:53 AM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 11:18 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 10:56 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 03:24 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  UMAss. came up as a leading candidate for expansion to help UConn. out. I do not think UConn.'s going get a P5 invite unless the ACC gets raided by the Big 10 and SEC.
BYU does have issues that needs to be fixed. Big 12 fans would have boycotted them because how they treated rapped victims.
Cincinnati have no problems.

The schools ranked for P5 status by college football experts.

1.Boise State
2.BYU
3.Cinncinnati
4.UCF
5.USF
6.Memphis
7.UConn.
8.Northern Illinois
9.San Diego State
10.Colorado State

But we know how some school presidents feel. They want strong academics, but the fans want competition that brings excitement.

P5 school Presidents = Tulane/Johns Hopkins type schools
P5 fans want =Boise State/UCF/San Diego State/Memphis/Cincinnati/Toldeo/Northern Illinois/Appalachian State/North Dakota State

I wonder if UConn's money woes could help if the AAC brings in schools to fill in the gaps on the east side?

Can you provide actual proof that P5 fans want Boise/UCF/San Diego etc and make sure to provide links that P5 presidents want Tulane and Johns Hopkins type schools?

I can’t answer all of your questions directed towards Davey Boy K, but I will tell you Tulane came up for a vote to replace Arkansas when they left the SWC. They were also a finalist for the Big XII most recently, as were Rice, SMU, and Air Force. Feel free to search the web for the 11 finalists as I’ve posted it multiple times to refute the naysayers. Academics matter to presidents!! It’s their JOB.

I like it.

So Tulane came up for a vote and lost. So did Rice, SMU, and Air Force, among others (according to you - all we really know is that those schools applied for consideration). How is that an argument that they were wanted? Sounds like the opposite.

Academics matter to presidents only in a negative sense. They are an excuse to keep a school out of your conference, not a reason to invite them in. The question of academics doesn't even come up unless a conference's media partner has already agreed to increase their payout sufficiently to keep existing members at least whole or pretty close to it.

The list of G5 schools that would make it far enough to even have a vote taken by a P5 conference is very short.

You answered your own question, they came up for a VOTE. That is the final stage, which means they made it past preliminary meetings and were vouched for by certain presidents in the room. It’s different than a school declaring interest and it falling on deaf ears, think about FSU, Memphis, and Southern Miss trying for years to get in the SEC. Or Tulsa’s coach talking about how they belong in the Big 8 circa mid-80’s.

Being invited to apply for an actual, official vote on-record means the school was at the FINAL step.

(02-09-2019 10:41 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Unless all the other school can monetize the academic chops of Rice, Tulane, et al they don’t do a
darn thing for a conf. You other conferences can have Tulane— they are doing nothing but dragging the AAC down in terms of contact value, basketball RPI, etc

Rice and Tulane add academics and recruiting access to any conference. They might not be the hottest properties when it comes to football and basketball but they fill other niches in baseball and Olympic sports. They’ll always be in the conversation on conference realignment because of who they are and where they are located. Besides, wasn’t Tulane one of the only two AAC schools (the other being Cincinnati) that won a bowl game in 2018?

(02-09-2019 04:23 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 10:41 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Unless all the other school can monetize the academic chops of Rice, Tulane, et al they don’t do a
darn thing for a conf. You other conferences can have Tulane— they are doing nothing but dragging the AAC down in terms of contact value, basketball RPI, etc

Rice and Tulane add academics and recruiting access to any conference. They might not be the hottest properties when it comes to football and basketball but they fill other niches in baseball and Olympic sports. They’ll always be in the conversation on conference realignment because of who they are and where they are located. Besides, wasn’t Tulane one of the only two AAC schools (the other being Cincinnati) that won a bowl game in 2018?

Plus, as Tank pointed out once, school *presidents* have interests that don't necessarily jibe with what a school's fans think are important. E.g., while to an AD or a coach, moving from Houston to Rice would be a clear step downward in their careers, to a university president it would be a huge step *up* in their career, equal to a coach going from say Houston to Texas.

So as it is presidents who are making these decisions about who to admit to a conference, they are likely to look much more kindly on candidates like Rice and Tulane than are the fans on the street who just want to win games, etc. These presidents might very much want to be considered for a high-level admin position at a Tulane or Rice one day and they don't want the decision makers at those schools having a memory of them being disrespectful to those schools when they were applying for conference membership.

(02-09-2019 01:11 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 07:20 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 01:53 AM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 11:18 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 10:56 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  Can you provide actual proof that P5 fans want Boise/UCF/San Diego etc and make sure to provide links that P5 presidents want Tulane and Johns Hopkins type schools?

I can’t answer all of your questions directed towards Davey Boy K, but I will tell you Tulane came up for a vote to replace Arkansas when they left the SWC. They were also a finalist for the Big XII most recently, as were Rice, SMU, and Air Force. Feel free to search the web for the 11 finalists as I’ve posted it multiple times to refute the naysayers. Academics matter to presidents!! It’s their JOB.

I like it.

So Tulane came up for a vote and lost. So did Rice, SMU, and Air Force, among others (according to you - all we really know is that those schools applied for consideration). How is that an argument that they were wanted? Sounds like the opposite.

Academics matter to presidents only in a negative sense. They are an excuse to keep a school out of your conference, not a reason to invite them in. The question of academics doesn't even come up unless a conference's media partner has already agreed to increase their payout sufficiently to keep existing members at least whole or pretty close to it.

The list of G5 schools that would make it far enough to even have a vote taken by a P5 conference is very short.

You answered your own question, they came up for a VOTE. That is the final stage, which means they made it past preliminary meetings and were vouched for by certain presidents in the room. It’s different than a school declaring interest and it falling on deaf ears, think about FSU, Memphis, and Southern Miss trying for years to get in the SEC. Or Tulsa’s coach talking about how they belong in the Big 8 circa mid-80’s.

Being invited to apply for an actual, official vote on-record means the school was at the FINAL step.

If you read my post, what I said was that you said they came up for a vote. I have no way of knowing that any of them actually did. Usually, a vote isn't taken unless you think they will be voted in. I doubt any of those schools were put to a vote - all they did was express interest in what turned out to be little more than a publicity show.

Ultimately, where this shortfall may show is when Gino retires as UConn's women's basketball coach. Will the Huskies choose to compete on the level the team competes now or will the team become a "Louisiana Tech" or "Old Dominion" because resources will be different than the SEC and Big Ten schools?

(02-09-2019 07:20 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 01:53 AM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 11:18 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 10:56 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 03:24 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  UMAss. came up as a leading candidate for expansion to help UConn. out. I do not think UConn.'s going get a P5 invite unless the ACC gets raided by the Big 10 and SEC.
BYU does have issues that needs to be fixed. Big 12 fans would have boycotted them because how they treated rapped victims.
Cincinnati have no problems.

The schools ranked for P5 status by college football experts.

1.Boise State
2.BYU
3.Cinncinnati
4.UCF
5.USF
6.Memphis
7.UConn.
8.Northern Illinois
9.San Diego State
10.Colorado State

But we know how some school presidents feel. They want strong academics, but the fans want competition that brings excitement.

P5 school Presidents = Tulane/Johns Hopkins type schools
P5 fans want =Boise State/UCF/San Diego State/Memphis/Cincinnati/Toldeo/Northern Illinois/Appalachian State/North Dakota State

I wonder if UConn's money woes could help if the AAC brings in schools to fill in the gaps on the east side?

Can you provide actual proof that P5 fans want Boise/UCF/San Diego etc and make sure to provide links that P5 presidents want Tulane and Johns Hopkins type schools?

I can’t answer all of your questions directed towards Davey Boy K, but I will tell you Tulane came up for a vote to replace Arkansas when they left the SWC. They were also a finalist for the Big XII most recently, as were Rice, SMU, and Air Force. Feel free to search the web for the 11 finalists as I’ve posted it multiple times to refute the naysayers. Academics matter to presidents!! It’s their JOB.

I like it.

So Tulane came up for a vote and lost. So did Rice, SMU, and Air Force, among others (according to you - all we really know is that those schools applied for consideration). How is that an argument that they were wanted? Sounds like the opposite.

Academics matter to presidents only in a negative sense. They are an excuse to keep a school out of your conference, not a reason to invite them in. The question of academics doesn't even come up unless a conference's media partner has already agreed to increase their payout sufficiently to keep existing members at least whole or pretty close to it.

The list of G5 schools that would make it far enough to even have a vote taken by a P5 conference is very short.

Actually the story was Tulane got the votes to get into SWC and UT and TAMU then said they were leaving since it was a 6-2 vote and they lost. One of the yes votes moved to reconsider and Tulane was rejected so Tulane had the support of Texas Tech and Baylor.

https://www.ctpost.com/sports/jeffjacobs...602673.php

It is an embarrassing look for a program that has become an embarrassment for the school and the state. After an 1-11 season with the only victory over an FCS school, after a season where UConn made a near foolproof argument for being the worst defensive team in NCAA history, after securing its eighth successive losing record, after struggling mightily to get 10,000 actual fannies in the seats, yes, embarrassment seems the appropriate word.

New school president Thomas C. Katsouleas said he is committed to football and the AAC. Fine. I would have said the same predictable thing. Katsouleas also has to realize it means he is committed to a sport that lost upward of $9 million last year and needs more financial support to pay coaches, improve facilities, to be a real player — not less. Without the great treasure chest currently enjoyed by the Power 5 conferences, if his commitment is anything more than provisional beyond the next round of television contracts starting in 2023, well, he ought to have his head examined. These are scary financial times and vigilance over the next handful of years is vital.

Pretty bleak outlook.

(02-09-2019 10:43 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 01:11 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 07:20 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 01:53 AM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 11:18 PM)esayem Wrote:  I can’t answer all of your questions directed towards Davey Boy K, but I will tell you Tulane came up for a vote to replace Arkansas when they left the SWC. They were also a finalist for the Big XII most recently, as were Rice, SMU, and Air Force. Feel free to search the web for the 11 finalists as I’ve posted it multiple times to refute the naysayers. Academics matter to presidents!! It’s their JOB.

I like it.

So Tulane came up for a vote and lost. So did Rice, SMU, and Air Force, among others (according to you - all we really know is that those schools applied for consideration). How is that an argument that they were wanted? Sounds like the opposite.

Academics matter to presidents only in a negative sense. They are an excuse to keep a school out of your conference, not a reason to invite them in. The question of academics doesn't even come up unless a conference's media partner has already agreed to increase their payout sufficiently to keep existing members at least whole or pretty close to it.

The list of G5 schools that would make it far enough to even have a vote taken by a P5 conference is very short.

You answered your own question, they came up for a VOTE. That is the final stage, which means they made it past preliminary meetings and were vouched for by certain presidents in the room. It’s different than a school declaring interest and it falling on deaf ears, think about FSU, Memphis, and Southern Miss trying for years to get in the SEC. Or Tulsa’s coach talking about how they belong in the Big 8 circa mid-80’s.

Being invited to apply for an actual, official vote on-record means the school was at the FINAL step.

If you read my post, what I said was that you said they came up for a vote. I have no way of knowing that any of them actually did. Usually, a vote isn't taken unless you think they will be voted in. I doubt any of those schools were put to a vote - all they did was express interest in what turned out to be little more than a publicity show.

You may be correct about the Big XII not voting on individual schools, but we do know which schools were on the table. Others were told bugger off, while those 11 were invited to present. To me that definitely shows interest by the Big XII. If they tell other schools don’t bother, and then invite 11 others still in consideration. Of course they’re interested!

https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/swc-expa...a8d04.html

As far as Tulane goes, this article mentions a vote being pushed back, which goes along with what Artstfan said. It also mentions a visit to Tulane’s campus occurred. Why waste time on that if there wasn’t interest?

Tulsa didn’t get a site visit. Cincinnati, Louisville, and Memphis didn’t get site visits, but were urged as a possible expansion plan by the SWC’s commish. Tulane got a site visit and a vote!

(02-10-2019 09:26 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  https://www.ctpost.com/sports/jeffjacobs...602673.php

It is an embarrassing look for a program that has become an embarrassment for the school and the state. After an 1-11 season with the only victory over an FCS school, after a season where UConn made a near foolproof argument for being the worst defensive team in NCAA history, after securing its eighth successive losing record, after struggling mightily to get 10,000 actual fannies in the seats, yes, embarrassment seems the appropriate word.

New school president Thomas C. Katsouleas said he is committed to football and the AAC. Fine. I would have said the same predictable thing. Katsouleas also has to realize it means he is committed to a sport that lost upward of $9 million last year and needs more financial support to pay coaches, improve facilities, to be a real player — not less. Without the great treasure chest currently enjoyed by the Power 5 conferences, if his commitment is anything more than provisional beyond the next round of television contracts starting in 2023, well, he ought to have his head examined. These are scary financial times and vigilance over the next handful of years is vital.

Pretty bleak outlook.

Why r u talking about UCONN in this thread...

(02-10-2019 03:19 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(02-10-2019 09:26 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  https://www.ctpost.com/sports/jeffjacobs...602673.php

It is an embarrassing look for a program that has become an embarrassment for the school and the state. After an 1-11 season with the only victory over an FCS school, after a season where UConn made a near foolproof argument for being the worst defensive team in NCAA history, after securing its eighth successive losing record, after struggling mightily to get 10,000 actual fannies in the seats, yes, embarrassment seems the appropriate word.

New school president Thomas C. Katsouleas said he is committed to football and the AAC. Fine. I would have said the same predictable thing. Katsouleas also has to realize it means he is committed to a sport that lost upward of $9 million last year and needs more financial support to pay coaches, improve facilities, to be a real player — not less. Without the great treasure chest currently enjoyed by the Power 5 conferences, if his commitment is anything more than provisional beyond the next round of television contracts starting in 2023, well, he ought to have his head examined. These are scary financial times and vigilance over the next handful of years is vital.

Pretty bleak outlook.

Why r u talking about UCONN in this thread...

... cant u c that this is the UConn loses $40 million in 2018 trying to keep up thread?

(02-10-2019 03:30 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(02-10-2019 03:19 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(02-10-2019 09:26 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  https://www.ctpost.com/sports/jeffjacobs...602673.php

It is an embarrassing look for a program that has become an embarrassment for the school and the state. After an 1-11 season with the only victory over an FCS school, after a season where UConn made a near foolproof argument for being the worst defensive team in NCAA history, after securing its eighth successive losing record, after struggling mightily to get 10,000 actual fannies in the seats, yes, embarrassment seems the appropriate word.

New school president Thomas C. Katsouleas said he is committed to football and the AAC. Fine. I would have said the same predictable thing. Katsouleas also has to realize it means he is committed to a sport that lost upward of $9 million last year and needs more financial support to pay coaches, improve facilities, to be a real player — not less. Without the great treasure chest currently enjoyed by the Power 5 conferences, if his commitment is anything more than provisional beyond the next round of television contracts starting in 2023, well, he ought to have his head examined. These are scary financial times and vigilance over the next handful of years is vital.

Pretty bleak outlook.

Why r u talking about UCONN in this thread...

... cant u c that this is the UConn loses $40 million in 2018 trying to keep up thread?

Sarcasm

(02-10-2019 10:37 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 10:43 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 01:11 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 07:20 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 01:53 AM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  I like it.

So Tulane came up for a vote and lost. So did Rice, SMU, and Air Force, among others (according to you - all we really know is that those schools applied for consideration). How is that an argument that they were wanted? Sounds like the opposite.

Academics matter to presidents only in a negative sense. They are an excuse to keep a school out of your conference, not a reason to invite them in. The question of academics doesn't even come up unless a conference's media partner has already agreed to increase their payout sufficiently to keep existing members at least whole or pretty close to it.

The list of G5 schools that would make it far enough to even have a vote taken by a P5 conference is very short.

You answered your own question, they came up for a VOTE. That is the final stage, which means they made it past preliminary meetings and were vouched for by certain presidents in the room. It’s different than a school declaring interest and it falling on deaf ears, think about FSU, Memphis, and Southern Miss trying for years to get in the SEC. Or Tulsa’s coach talking about how they belong in the Big 8 circa mid-80’s.

Being invited to apply for an actual, official vote on-record means the school was at the FINAL step.

If you read my post, what I said was that you said they came up for a vote. I have no way of knowing that any of them actually did. Usually, a vote isn't taken unless you think they will be voted in. I doubt any of those schools were put to a vote - all they did was express interest in what turned out to be little more than a publicity show.

You may be correct about the Big XII not voting on individual schools, but we do know which schools were on the table. Others were told bugger off, while those 11 were invited to present. To me that definitely shows interest by the Big XII. If they tell other schools don’t bother, and then invite 11 others still in consideration. Of course they’re interested!

https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/swc-expa...a8d04.html

As far as Tulane goes, this article mentions a vote being pushed back, which goes along with what Artstfan said. It also mentions a visit to Tulane’s campus occurred. Why waste time on that if there wasn’t interest?

Tulsa didn’t get a site visit. Cincinnati, Louisville, and Memphis didn’t get site visits, but were urged as a possible expansion plan by the SWC’s commish. Tulane got a site visit and a vote!

What you are now talking about is a world which no longer exists. A world where obscene television contracts did not yet exist. A world before the BCS, much less the P5. Whatever may or may not have happened a quarter of a century ago is completely irrelevant in 2019. The fact remains - only a small handful of G5 schools have a remote chance to move up to a P5 conference (and less if we devolve to a P4 or fewer).