Who holds the tiebreak in the other division if Cincinnati beats UCF next week? They'll also have a 3 way tie since Temple beat Cincy. If Temple faces Memphis will we get the homefield for the title game? They also sit at 6-4 at the moment.

Just root like hell for Houston on Thursday. Then it all sets up for Memphis

(11-11-2018 11:57 AM)UMTiger02 Wrote:  Just root like hell for Houston on Thursday. Then it all sets up for Memphis

Memphis can control their own destiny basically if Tulane loses on the road. I like our chances since they barely got by ECU and Tulsa. Houston is struggling but should still be double digit favs.

(11-11-2018 09:07 AM)UMTiger02 Wrote:  This is from CA Article


Even wilder, what if Memphis wins out, Houston loses to Temple, SMU only loses to Memphis and Tulane loses only to Houston? That's right, it could be a four-way tie.

Per the AAC's tiebreaker rules, here's what happens

If a team has lost to two of the other teams, that team is eliminated. In the four-way tie, Houston would be eliminated because of losses to Memphis and SMU while Tulane would be eliminated for losing to SMU and Houston.

That leaves Memphis and SMU and Memphis would win because of a head-to-head matchup.

If it's a three-way tie between Memphis, Houston and SMU, Memphis wins out because it would have wins over both teams.

If it's a three-way tie with Memphis, Tulane and Houston? Since each team will have beaten the other, it goes to highest winning percentage within the division.

Because each team would only have two division losses, the next tiebreaker category is best record against the fourth-place team, which would be SMU. Again, Memphis prevails because it has a win over SMU, which has beaten Houston and Tulane

Like that

The confusing line in the tiebreakers is about multi tie where all the teams beat a lower team. This interpretation is better for us.

And it makes sense. If we lose to either SMU or Houston we do not in any way deserve to play for the title. Win those two and finish at 5-3 and while that is not Uber impressive it is worthy.

Note that two of those losses would have been by 1 point, both somewhat blown by Memphis. The losses count but if this team wins these two more games we would have proven we are very good and happy to them play Cindy or Central for the marbles.

(10-20-2018 12:02 PM)Herff Tiger Wrote:  UPDATED 11/10 games

Houston (4-2)
wins: Tulsa, East Carolina, Navy, USF
losses: SMU, Temple
remaining: Tulane, @ Memphis

SMU (4-2)
wins: Navy, Tulane, Houston, UConn
losses: UCF, Cincinnati
remaining: Memphis, @ Tulsa

Tulane (4-2)
wins: #@$&@#!!!!, Tulsa, USF, ECU
losses: Cincinnati, SMU
remaining: @ Houston, Navy

Memphis (3-3)
wins: UConn, East Carolina, Tulsa
losses: Navy, Tulane, UCF
remaining: @ SMU, Houston

Navy (1-5)
wins: #@$&@#!!!!
losses: SMU, Temple, Houston, Cincinnati, UCF
remaining: Tulsa, @ Tulane

Tulsa (1-5)
wins: UConn
losses: Temple, Houston, USF, Tulane, Memphis
remaining: @ Navy, SMU

OK now, this has definitely gotten interesting. I had previously been looking at this as how it could come down to us tied with Houston and SMU, with us winning out and thus holding the tiebreaker over each of them. Now, with the tiebreaker rules explained, we need to beat SMU and Houston, and have Houston beat Tulane, then we win the West Division.

The trickiest part of that seems to be our D stopping Houston enough for us to outscore them. (that's a sure-fire jinx statement that will result in us losing to SMU)

Perfect scenario would be:
1) Houston beating Tulane on Thursday;
2) Memphis beating SMU on Friday;
3) Then, Memphis vs Houston game will get publicized during UCF-Cincy game day as the winners would likely (I think...fact check me here) would likely matchup in the AAC Championship game.

I am encouraged by the number of points that UConn put up against SMU...but that will be a very tough game for us. Hope the weather is good!

(11-11-2018 01:13 PM)hsvtiger Wrote:  Perfect scenario would be:
1) Houston beating Tulane on Thursday;
2) Memphis beating SMU on Friday;
3) Then, Memphis vs Houston game will get publicized during UCF-Cincy game day as the winners would likely (I think...fact check me here) would likely matchup in the AAC Championship game.

I am encouraged by the number of points that UConn put up against SMU...but that will be a very tough game for us. Hope the weather is good!

Every season someone brings up how SMU will be a tough contest and we end up winning by around 40.

Houston is 10.5 point favorite over Tulane

(11-11-2018 07:45 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Houston is 10.5 point favorite over Tulane

Yeah... As I recall, we were a 14.5 pt. fav over Tulane. I'm tellin' y'all, those boys don't know how to quit.

Down to 3 things needed to happen and Memphis controls 2 of the 3.

Houston over Tulane
Memphis over SMU
Memphis over Houston

and why the hell not.......

Memphis over UCF

(11-12-2018 09:05 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Down to 3 things needed to happen and Memphis controls 2 of the 3.

Houston over Tulane
Memphis over SMU
Memphis over Houston

and why the hell not.......

Memphis over UCF

Next step after that is, Utah State gets the access slot, all AAC bowl teams go to weedwhacker bowls, and the AAC TV contract negotiations go in the crapper.

At this point, I will retract my claim that Memphis winning the West with 4 losses is the worst thing that could happen to MEMPHIS for the long run. I will retract that because Houston no longer has a chance to be a ranked opponent for UCF. But *IF* we win the West, and *IF* we win the conference championship this year as a 4 loss team, we will be a spoiler for way more than just UCF. We will be cutting our nose off to spite our own face.

Unless we are gonna win it all, i'd rather have ucf finish undefeated and get left out of the playoff again.

I said this on this site about 3 years ago that the tigers would never win a national championship even if they had 2 undefeated seasons in a row. Now, ucf has a chance to do it.

If the american conference was smart and has any control on the officials, they make sure ucf wins out. It can help make changes in college football once ucf is not let into the 4 team playoff. It will expose the playoff as p5 only as if there really is any doubt.

If ucf wins out for the rest of the year, they would have 26 wins in a row. They will be tied in the "longest winning steak" list with some ncaa favs like nebraska, michigan and alabama. No ncaa football team has had back to back undefeated seasons since nebraska in 1994-1995. It will piss the ncaa off if it happens.

This is a long but good article.

https://www.theringer.com/2018/8/31/1780...-champions

And if ucf finishes undefeated again and gets denied in the playoff, it seems to me that lawyers should get involved. I'm not a lawyer by any means, but there seems to be a case here, imho. The playoff was supposed to let more teams in, but what it did was cement the fact that the national championship game is for p5 only. All the tv contracts, money, championships and national spotlight is for p5 only. Almost every good recruit goes to these schools if they can, because they want a real shot at a championship. It is not a level playing field for all teams. EVERYONE KNOWS THIS !!! What is going on in college football is a big reason the g5 schools struggle with attendance so badly, imo. Everyone knows there is a limit on what we can win. We can win our conference championship. That's it.

For the record, i don't care about any of the bowls. That includes the access bowl ya'll wanna play in. 4 team playoff or i really don't care.

Organize every non p5 school together and make a legal stand against the p5 conferences and the ncaa.

Just don't let the u of m hire the attorneys.

(11-12-2018 11:09 AM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  Unless we are gonna win it all, i'd rather have ucf finish undefeated and get left out of the playoff again.

I said this on this site about 3 years ago that the tigers would never win a national championship even if they had 2 undefeated seasons in a row. Now, ucf has a chance to do it.

If the american conference was smart and has any control on the officials, they make sure ucf wins out. It can help make changes in college football once ucf is not let into the 4 team playoff. It will expose the playoff as p5 only as if there really is any doubt.

If ucf wins out for the rest of the year, they would have 26 wins in a row. They will be tied in the "longest winning steak" list with some ncaa favs like nebraska, michigan and alabama. No ncaa football team has had back to back undefeated seasons since nebraska in 1994-1995. It will piss the ncaa off if it happens.

The NCAA equals:

Quote:The NCAA's Board of Governors (formerly known as the Executive Committee) is the main body within the NCAA. This body elects the NCAA's President.[20]

The NCAA's legislative structure is broken down into cabinets and committees, consisting of various representatives of its member schools.[citation needed] These may be broken down further into sub-committees. The legislation is then passed on, which oversees all the cabinets and committees, and also includes representatives from the schools, such as athletic directors and faculty advisors. Management Council legislation goes on to the Board of Directors, which consists of school presidents, for final approval. The NCAA staff provides support, acting as guides, liaisons, researchers, and public and media relations.

So would it, really?

(11-12-2018 11:30 AM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  This is a long but good article.

https://www.theringer.com/2018/8/31/1780...-champions

And if ucf finishes undefeated again and gets denied in the playoff, it seems to me that lawyers should get involved. I'm not a lawyer by any means, but there seems to be a case here, imho. The playoff was supposed to let more teams in, but what it did was cement the fact that the national championship game is for p5 only. All the tv contracts, money, championships and national spotlight is for p5 only. Almost every good recruit goes to these schools if they can, because they want a real shot at a championship. It is not a level playing field for all teams. EVERYONE KNOWS THIS !!! What is going on in college football is a big reason the g5 schools struggle with attendance so badly, imo. Everyone knows there is a limit on what we can win. We can win our conference championship. That's it.

For the record, i don't care about any of the bowls. That includes the access bowl ya'll wanna play in. 4 team playoff or i really don't care.

Organize every non p5 school together and make a legal stand against the p5 conferences and the ncaa.

Just don't let the u of m hire the attorneys.

I agree with the lawyers.

I am of the opinion that schools should look for every possible reason to sue the NCAA. Surely there are lawyers creative enough to come up with feasible reasons to sue the NCAA. Any school that has been punished and banned from post-season should be suing the heck out of the NCAA when there are other schools who break rules who are given next to nothing as punishment.

(11-12-2018 11:30 AM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  This is a long but good article.

https://www.theringer.com/2018/8/31/1780...-champions

And if ucf finishes undefeated again and gets denied in the playoff, it seems to me that lawyers should get involved. I'm not a lawyer by any means, but there seems to be a case here, imho. The playoff was supposed to let more teams in, but what it did was cement the fact that the national championship game is for p5 only. All the tv contracts, money, championships and national spotlight is for p5 only. Almost every good recruit goes to these schools if they can, because they want a real shot at a championship. It is not a level playing field for all teams. EVERYONE KNOWS THIS !!! What is going on in college football is a big reason the g5 schools struggle with attendance so badly, imo. Everyone knows there is a limit on what we can win. We can win our conference championship. That's it.

For the record, i don't care about any of the bowls. That includes the access bowl ya'll wanna play in. 4 team playoff or i really don't care.

Organize every non p5 school together and make a legal stand against the p5 conferences and the ncaa.

Just don't let the u of m hire the attorneys.

The selection committee is arbitrary of who gets in or who gets left out....(one year conference champions matter, the next year they don’t matter) so I can’t see how lawyers can argue when the committee will say that they left worthy P5 teams out before on the 4 team playoff. What needs to be done is for P5 conference like PAC12 or B12 to force expanding playoffs as in:

5 P5 champs
2 at large
1 group of 5

UCF is not as good as last year...

They are going to need a favorable matchup in their new years bowl to pull out a win

(11-12-2018 01:37 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  UCF is not as good as last year...

They are going to need a favorable matchup in their new years bowl to pull out a win

They'll draw a team that doesn't really want to be there like Auburn last season with a mediocre coach. Probably LSU

(11-12-2018 01:37 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  UCF is not as good as last year...

They are going to need a favorable matchup in their new years bowl to pull out a win

I agree. Last year, ucf could have beat anyone in the country. This year, i question their talent level to compete as the best team. However, that is not the point.

Their best player (qb m. milton) missed one game entirely and has been playing injured in several other games including against us. Everyone knows UCF made a claim to the national championship and finished last year undefeated. They got that target on their back. Everyone is gunning for them. Yet they keep on winning. That's tough to do in itself.

They got big games vs two good opponents in cincy and usf. If they win out and win the conference championship, they should be considered. That would be 25 straight wins, 2 straight conference championships and a national championship going into the postseason.

However, the real deal is there are five p5 conference champions (even teams not winning their conference like alabama) and notre dame competing for 4 spots in what really is a "private league championship". It is not truly a national championship. The biggest joke is when a team wins the so called national title and doesn't even win their conference.