(06-19-2018 12:14 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  If these allleged "parents" were US citizens, then fine.

They ain't. They have no constitutional rights, nor privilege to just move on in and leech off the rest of us that actually pay taxes. You know what those are, right?!?

So the US doesn't need to follow their own laws just because these people aren't citizens? Okay.

The vast majority of these people have arrived would be a misdemeanor charge at most, and potentially less than that. Trump's admin has now changed that in order to play politics. I don't give a rip if these people aren't citizens, they're still human, and the kids are getting used as bargaining chips. No matter WHO is in office, it's wrong.

(06-19-2018 10:25 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 06:57 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 04:00 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 03:51 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 03:48 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Decision to prosecute = decision to enforce the law.

Again, it's not the law to prosecute with criminal charges.

Manufactured outrage, your kind heart has been duped again.

https://mobile.twitter.com/johnddavidson...2622485504

Fight the good fight though

This part struck me as having the potential to be the worst danger in all this: You’ve failed in your thread to address a very serious point. If they don’t have documentation how do we know the adults with the kids are the parents and not child traffickers, kidnappers, child molesters? For the safety of the children temporary separation must take place.

You clearly haven't listened to any of these kids crying for their parents. If they were traffickers/molesters/etc., that would not be happening.

Considering there have already been reports of workers in the detention centers molesting girls, the safety of the children is more guaranteed keeping them with their parents. Stop charging the adults as criminals who have done nothing but come here looking for help, and the kids get to stay with their families.

really......what "reports" did you forget to supply....

"stop charging the adults" ...............NO.....simply NO!!!

enjoy your current/future pathetic attempt at philanthropic wallow son....

you're gonna lose that battle when you have to actually learn how to fight.....

y'all are dicking around with the wrong mf'rs....

people like me would make antifa look like puss-n-boots in a skirt.....

Special place in hell.

(06-19-2018 05:56 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 05:51 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Ted Cruz has one plan, Dianne Feinstein has another. Both plans are going to change the current set-up - they just have different solutions on how to enact the end of the separation. Who cares a flip about when this policy began - if it was in place in 2014, shame on the media for not bringing it to light earlier and criticizing the Obama Administration for a bad plan. It would be ironic if that was the one Obama policy that Trump decided to keep status quo. Hopefully our government will get together and make a policy that will put this country in a positive light.

me.....it's relevant and matters....

the fact is, DJT doesn't have a thing to do with the current situation....however, he can prod the 'congressional cattle'......

Fake news.

Trump & his administration are solely responsible for what's happening now because they decided to ramp up to a "zero tolerance policy." That does not mean that some kids had not been separated in the past, but because of this new policy, exponentially more kids are being separated from their parents.

(06-19-2018 10:31 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:25 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 06:57 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 04:00 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 03:51 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  Again, it's not the law to prosecute with criminal charges.

Manufactured outrage, your kind heart has been duped again.

https://mobile.twitter.com/johnddavidson...2622485504

Fight the good fight though

This part struck me as having the potential to be the worst danger in all this: You’ve failed in your thread to address a very serious point. If they don’t have documentation how do we know the adults with the kids are the parents and not child traffickers, kidnappers, child molesters? For the safety of the children temporary separation must take place.

You clearly haven't listened to any of these kids crying for their parents. If they were traffickers/molesters/etc., that would not be happening.

Considering there have already been reports of workers in the detention centers molesting girls, the safety of the children is more guaranteed keeping them with their parents. Stop charging the adults as criminals who have done nothing but come here looking for help, and the kids get to stay with their families.

really......what "reports" did you forget to supply....

"stop charging the adults" ...............NO.....simply NO!!!

enjoy your current/future pathetic attempt at philanthropic wallow son....

you're gonna lose that battle when you have to actually learn how to fight.....

y'all are dicking around with the wrong mf'rs....

people like me would make antifa look like puss-n-boots in a skirt.....

oh, good. an internet billy badass.


https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/...by-officia

stop prosecuting the adults with criminal charges - keep with what has been happening for years - charge them with a misdemeanor and keep these kids with their parents.

(06-19-2018 10:34 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 05:56 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 05:51 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Ted Cruz has one plan, Dianne Feinstein has another. Both plans are going to change the current set-up - they just have different solutions on how to enact the end of the separation. Who cares a flip about when this policy began - if it was in place in 2014, shame on the media for not bringing it to light earlier and criticizing the Obama Administration for a bad plan. It would be ironic if that was the one Obama policy that Trump decided to keep status quo. Hopefully our government will get together and make a policy that will put this country in a positive light.

me.....it's relevant and matters....

the fact is, DJT doesn't have a thing to do with the current situation....however, he can prod the 'congressional cattle'......

Fake news.

Trump & his administration are solely responsible for what's happening now because they decided to ramp up to a "zero tolerance policy." That does not mean that some kids had not been separated in the past, but because of this new policy, exponentially more kids are being separated from their parents.

bs......if one believes in a country ruled by law (that'd be the USA), then one should seek the option to revise said laws for equitable balance....

there's a reason we can amend, revoke, or create moving forward......

all ewe see is msm whoreshite.....

(06-19-2018 10:21 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:06 AM)Lush Wrote:  forgive me if the information is posted, but this seems to be the driving force (possibly not substantiated) behind all this dang mess

Quote:A White House official said that “from October 2017 to this February, DHS saw a staggering 315 percent increase in illegal aliens using children to pose as family units to gain entry into the country, compared to the same time frame the previous year.”

The official also pointed to a column in the National Review by Rich Lowry.

“Separation happens only if officials find that the adult is falsely claiming to be the child’s parent, or is a threat to the child, or is put into criminal proceedings,” Lowry wrote. “It’s the last that is operative here. The past practice had been to give a free pass to an adult who is part of a family unit. The new Trump policy is to prosecute all adults.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact...97461a847e

it seems to me that we can indirectly affect illegal immigration by making their hovels less worth leaving. cough war on drugs cough. the least we could do is offer a harbor for the violence we wrought

I don't disagree, but that will be a long term (very long-term) fix. Longer than anything here.

Like the article above says, the new Trump policy to prosecute all adults is what's caused this problem.

You mean't to say that the Trump Administration has actually been doing it's Constitutionally mandated job and enforcing the law as passed by the Legislative Branch.

Perhaps if the Obama Administration had actually been doing it's job and enforcing the law we wouldn't be seeing the current surge because the message would have been sent years ago that illegal immigrants aren't welcome.

(06-19-2018 10:40 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:34 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 05:56 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 05:51 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Ted Cruz has one plan, Dianne Feinstein has another. Both plans are going to change the current set-up - they just have different solutions on how to enact the end of the separation. Who cares a flip about when this policy began - if it was in place in 2014, shame on the media for not bringing it to light earlier and criticizing the Obama Administration for a bad plan. It would be ironic if that was the one Obama policy that Trump decided to keep status quo. Hopefully our government will get together and make a policy that will put this country in a positive light.

me.....it's relevant and matters....

the fact is, DJT doesn't have a thing to do with the current situation....however, he can prod the 'congressional cattle'......

Fake news.

Trump & his administration are solely responsible for what's happening now because they decided to ramp up to a "zero tolerance policy." That does not mean that some kids had not been separated in the past, but because of this new policy, exponentially more kids are being separated from their parents.

bs......if one believes in a country ruled by law (that'd be the USA), then one should seek the option to revise said laws for equitable balance....

there's a reason we can amend, revoke, or create moving forward......

all ewe see is msm whoreshite.....

If you could spell, you might come off as a tad more convincing.

A country ruled by law should not up the ante at childrens' expense in an attempt at political gain.

(06-19-2018 10:46 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:21 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:06 AM)Lush Wrote:  forgive me if the information is posted, but this seems to be the driving force (possibly not substantiated) behind all this dang mess

Quote:A White House official said that “from October 2017 to this February, DHS saw a staggering 315 percent increase in illegal aliens using children to pose as family units to gain entry into the country, compared to the same time frame the previous year.”

The official also pointed to a column in the National Review by Rich Lowry.

“Separation happens only if officials find that the adult is falsely claiming to be the child’s parent, or is a threat to the child, or is put into criminal proceedings,” Lowry wrote. “It’s the last that is operative here. The past practice had been to give a free pass to an adult who is part of a family unit. The new Trump policy is to prosecute all adults.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact...97461a847e

it seems to me that we can indirectly affect illegal immigration by making their hovels less worth leaving. cough war on drugs cough. the least we could do is offer a harbor for the violence we wrought

I don't disagree, but that will be a long term (very long-term) fix. Longer than anything here.

Like the article above says, the new Trump policy to prosecute all adults is what's caused this problem.

You mean't to say that the Trump Administration has actually been doing it's Constitutionally mandated job and enforcing the law as passed by the Legislative Branch.

Perhaps if the Obama Administration had actually been doing it's job and enforcing the law we wouldn't be seeing the current surge because the message would have been sent years ago that illegal immigrants aren't welcome.

The law is not to criminally charge these people who are only guilty of coming here - it never has been. That's all on Trump.

do not come here illegally, no more problems.

(06-19-2018 10:46 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:40 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:34 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 05:56 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 05:51 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Ted Cruz has one plan, Dianne Feinstein has another. Both plans are going to change the current set-up - they just have different solutions on how to enact the end of the separation. Who cares a flip about when this policy began - if it was in place in 2014, shame on the media for not bringing it to light earlier and criticizing the Obama Administration for a bad plan. It would be ironic if that was the one Obama policy that Trump decided to keep status quo. Hopefully our government will get together and make a policy that will put this country in a positive light.

me.....it's relevant and matters....

the fact is, DJT doesn't have a thing to do with the current situation....however, he can prod the 'congressional cattle'......

Fake news.

Trump & his administration are solely responsible for what's happening now because they decided to ramp up to a "zero tolerance policy." That does not mean that some kids had not been separated in the past, but because of this new policy, exponentially more kids are being separated from their parents.

bs......if one believes in a country ruled by law (that'd be the USA), then one should seek the option to revise said laws for equitable balance....

there's a reason we can amend, revoke, or create moving forward......

all ewe see is msm whoreshite.....

If you could spell, you might come off as a tad more convincing.

A country ruled by law should not up the ante at childrens' expense in an attempt at political gain.

I love it when you guys go there w/o any semblance of a logical retort.....

you guys make it so easy.....

the msm and lefty's are the ones making this political....

next.....

(06-19-2018 10:52 AM)hoopfan Wrote:  do not come here illegally, no more problems.

CBP has effectively blocked access to legal points of entry to asylum seekers.

(06-19-2018 11:01 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:52 AM)hoopfan Wrote:  do not come here illegally, no more problems.

CBP has effectively blocked access to legal points of entry to asylum seekers.

Illegal Aliens:

If you would like to report illegal aliens, please call Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) at 1-866-DHS-2ICE (347-2423). They will need to know names, locations (either work place or residence) and any other specific information you can provide. For more information, please visit http://www.ice.gov.

You may also contact the Border Patrol Sector where the illegal aliens are located, and ask them to investigate further.

(06-19-2018 10:18 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:06 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:00 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 08:14 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  When you commit a crime you get separated from your children. This is terrible, yes.

But necessary.

You realize that CBP is illegally blocking legal points of entry so that asylum seekers cannot apply for asylum legally?

CBP is committing the crime.

You don't have a great batting average around here for measured commentary on passionate issues and I literally no longer believe anything you say.

LOL. Its you guys who are divorced from reality.

I think the last election proved otherwise.

is it possible to know if the kids involved are the actual offspring of the detainees? that could scar an innocent kid for life. just to punish these hi-anus lawbreakers! i know lots of hispanics go solo and send money home, it's gotta be pretty ****** if you're willing to drag your kids thru those streets, what with the georgia o keefe strewn carcasses and the steady realization that you're child's probably going to die one way or the other. but who wants someone else's problem? sorry, i got emotional

(06-19-2018 11:06 AM)Lush Wrote:  is it possible to know if the kids involved are the actual offspring of the detainees? that could scar an innocent kid for life. just to punish these hi-anus lawbreakers! i know lots of hispanics go solo and send money home, it's gotta be pretty ****** if you're willing to drag your kids thru those streets, what with the georgia o keefe strewn carcasses and the steady realization that you're child's probably going to die one way or the other. but who wants someone else's problem? sorry, i got emotional

I did 15 tours in TJ (Tijuana).....that's all I needed to see....

when you have a channel dedicated to driving etiquette and my driver told me not to leave the three block square.................well, it was 'heeded advice'

I was there when the policia was overrun by the federales with 4 in the back of a pick-em-up with mounted AK's.....

I saw it first hand....

#shitehole

(06-18-2018 05:57 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 05:41 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  What lies.

The ILLEGALS can go back to their home country any time they want. There is NO proof many of the kids being separated from parents are actually with their parents so separating them might actually save some from abuse.

Asylum seekers are not illegals. They can't go back, they'll be killed. Fix the problems that WE CREATED in Honduras, Guatemala, and El Salvador (gang violence and civil war created largely by US deportation policies) and Mexico (gang violence fed largely by lax US firearms sales oversight and US drug consumption).

These people are human beings. At least to people that aren't Trump supporters.

you mean problems that were created by the oblunder administration?

(06-19-2018 11:01 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 10:52 AM)hoopfan Wrote:  do not come here illegally, no more problems.

CBP has effectively blocked access to legal points of entry to asylum seekers.

asylum my ass and you know it.

(06-19-2018 11:15 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 05:57 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 05:41 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  What lies.

The ILLEGALS can go back to their home country any time they want. There is NO proof many of the kids being separated from parents are actually with their parents so separating them might actually save some from abuse.

Asylum seekers are not illegals. They can't go back, they'll be killed. Fix the problems that WE CREATED in Honduras, Guatemala, and El Salvador (gang violence and civil war created largely by US deportation policies) and Mexico (gang violence fed largely by lax US firearms sales oversight and US drug consumption).

These people are human beings. At least to people that aren't Trump supporters.

you mean problems that were created by the oblunder administration?

They aren't very smart human beings if they willingly put their kids in these types of situations.

(06-19-2018 11:11 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 11:06 AM)Lush Wrote:  is it possible to know if the kids involved are the actual offspring of the detainees? that could scar an innocent kid for life. just to punish these hi-anus lawbreakers! i know lots of hispanics go solo and send money home, it's gotta be pretty ****** if you're willing to drag your kids thru those streets, what with the georgia o keefe strewn carcasses and the steady realization that you're child's probably going to die one way or the other. but who wants someone else's problem? sorry, i got emotional

I did 15 tours in TJ (Tijuana).....that's all I needed to see....

when you have a channel dedicated to driving etiquette and my driver told me not to leave the three block square.................well, it was 'heeded advice'

I was there when the policia was overrun by the federales with 4 in the back of a pick-em-up with mounted AK's.....

I saw it first hand....

#shitehole

your big takeaway from tj is that mexico is a shithole? a shithole that you apparently don't really mind?