(04-04-2017 03:33 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  JSU home attendance is 17K +/- in the OVC. If memory serves me right, when JSU played AT Georgia State, twice, JSU had about 40% or the crowd.

LOL

LOL

The only school ever to approach those numbers is Georgia Southern. Jacksonville State bought a solid crowd of about 3000 to 4000 to the first game in the Dome.

(04-03-2017 09:50 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If IUPUI leaves the Summit I think the Summit's candidates are UMKC, and dipping into DII for Duluth or St Cloud St. Eventually bringing the Minnesota schools in gives them a chance to bring hockey sponsorship to the Summit and probably wrangle control of the MVFC.

I'd love to bring up Duluth. But if that happens, they'll have to drop football (and possibly women's hockey) to save money. Same thing as Omaha.

Don't think MNSCU schools can afford it, however.

(04-03-2017 11:16 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  The legislature will not allow it.

You're just making a wild guess, you have no quotes or even opinion articles to back this up.

Like I said above, I don't think MNSCU schools can afford it. But Duluth, if it drops football and perhaps women's hockey, would be a really great add. Great town. Great school. And they have a very nice arena.

Two big precedents support this, as well: UNO, with Big Ten school Nebraska, and UW-Milkwaukee & UW-Green Bay, with Big Ten school Wisconsin.

(04-04-2017 04:53 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The other sports are all even when UIC leaves:

WVB = 8 (UDM doesn't sponsor)
BB = 6 (UWM, Cleve St, UDM don't sponsor)
SB = 8 (UWM doesn't sponsor)
MS = 8 (Belmont leaving, YSU doesn't sponsor)

It's actually easier, no byes as they now have.

Interesting, and correct. But men's basketball, women's basketball, and women's soccer would all go to nine.

And basketball is what matters.

(04-04-2017 05:15 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  IUPUI doesn't fund their program to Horizon standards -- they basically need to double funding. They are also facing budgetary problems. And attendance is far lower than anyone in the Horizon.

Let's compare IUPU's to Cleveland St and Youngstown St:

MBB expenses (2015-16, OPE EiA database):
IUPUI - $1.56M
IPFW - $1.27M
CSU - $2.17M
YSU - $1.35M

Average attendance (2015-16 season):
IUPUI - 1,055 (11 games)
IPFW - 1,278 (13 games)
CSU - 1,911 (15 games)
YSU - 2,013 (14 games)


At least in MBB, with those two Horizon teams, it's really not that far off ...

(04-06-2017 03:34 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(04-03-2017 09:50 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If IUPUI leaves the Summit I think the Summit's candidates are UMKC, and dipping into DII for Duluth or St Cloud St. Eventually bringing the Minnesota schools in gives them a chance to bring hockey sponsorship to the Summit and probably wrangle control of the MVFC.

I'd love to bring up Duluth. But if that happens, they'll have to drop football (and possibly women's hockey) to save money. Same thing as Omaha.

Don't think MNSCU schools can afford it, however.

UMD is not going to drop women's hockey. If it's gets dumped, then the men's program will get killed too. All of this to protect football, and yes, this would apply to Bemidji, Mankato and St. Cloud too.

(04-03-2017 11:16 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  The legislature will not allow it.

You're just making a wild guess, you have no quotes or even opinion articles to back this up.[/quote]

You don't follow action at the legislature do you? If UMD or any of the MNSCU schools even tried in this day and age to look at D-I, there would be legislation in St. Paul to prevent that. Look up Dan Patch Line on your next google search and see what pops up.

Quote:Like I said above, I don't think MNSCU schools can afford it. But Duluth, if it drops football and perhaps women's hockey, would be a really great add. Great town. Great school. And they have a very nice arena.

Two big precedents support this, as well: UNO, with Big Ten school Nebraska, and UW-Milkwaukee & UW-Green Bay, with Big Ten school Wisconsin.

Duluth has been shrinking for years and probably wouldn't be a good fit for anyone but the Summit. And the precedents you cited don't work well here. The Twin Cities is the only major market of note in Minnesota. If you placed the U of M in Mankato and moved Minnesota State over to the Twin Cities, it would still be the same situation because the U of M is both the flagship and the land grant. Even now, there has been no movement towards designating a so-called second-banana university in the state. Yes, St. Cloud, Mankato and UMD have the enrollment to make the move, but the mindset is to keep them in D-II because most legislators are U of M grads. In fact, when all three(plus Bemidji) wanted to move their hockey programs to D-I, there were legislators who questioned those motives.

Hell, there are other factors too. St. John's and St. Thomas continue to get more favorable media coverage around here because the MIAC is Twin Cities centric. And no one is talking of either going D-I in the next 50 years, let alone D-II in the next ten. They know they can get a lot of attention contending for national championships at the D-III level, but wouldn't get as much media attention in D-II.

Sorry about the rant, but since I do pay attention to what happens at the lower level, I just want to get the facts straight. And yes, I do believe that no Minnesota school, no matter if it's MnSCU or UMD, will ever move up.

(04-06-2017 03:34 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(04-03-2017 09:50 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If IUPUI leaves the Summit I think the Summit's candidates are UMKC, and dipping into DII for Duluth or St Cloud St. Eventually bringing the Minnesota schools in gives them a chance to bring hockey sponsorship to the Summit and probably wrangle control of the MVFC.

I'd love to bring up Duluth. But if that happens, they'll have to drop football (and possibly women's hockey) to save money. Same thing as Omaha.

Don't think MNSCU schools can afford it, however.

(04-03-2017 11:16 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  The legislature will not allow it.

You're just making a wild guess, you have no quotes or even opinion articles to back this up.

Like I said above, I don't think MNSCU schools can afford it. But Duluth, if it drops football and perhaps women's hockey, would be a really great add. Great town. Great school. And they have a very nice arena.

Two big precedents support this, as well: UNO, with Big Ten school Nebraska, and UW-Milkwaukee & UW-Green Bay, with Big Ten school Wisconsin.

(04-04-2017 04:53 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The other sports are all even when UIC leaves:

WVB = 8 (UDM doesn't sponsor)
BB = 6 (UWM, Cleve St, UDM don't sponsor)
SB = 8 (UWM doesn't sponsor)
MS = 8 (Belmont leaving, YSU doesn't sponsor)

It's actually easier, no byes as they now have.

Interesting, and correct. But men's basketball, women's basketball, and women's soccer would all go to nine.

And basketball is what matters.

(04-04-2017 05:15 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  IUPUI doesn't fund their program to Horizon standards -- they basically need to double funding. They are also facing budgetary problems. And attendance is far lower than anyone in the Horizon.

Let's compare IUPU's to Cleveland St and Youngstown St:

MBB expenses (2015-16, OPE EiA database):
IUPUI - $1.56M
IPFW - $1.27M
CSU - $2.17M
YSU - $1.35M

Average attendance (2015-16 season):
IUPUI - 1,055 (11 games)
IPFW - 1,278 (13 games)
CSU - 1,911 (15 games)
YSU - 2,013 (14 games)


At least in MBB, with those two Horizon teams, it's really not that far off ...

Duluth, Mankato, St Cloud would all have to pull an Omaha. Drop FB. Hockey takes way too many resources for them to have both. Those schools are not UND and do not have the support UND do.

I've always thought that a possibility, if we can hold DU would be Northern Colorado. They are in no man's land in the BSC. Even more so now that UND is leaving. Plus, bringing them in would give us 6 FB schools, allowing for a takeover of the MVFC. That I would appreciate. I'm tired of the eastern MVFC schools (other then YSU) and their whiny, I can't afford anything attitude.

Never compare the bottom of the league to see if you belong. Compare to the middle, if not the top. That is where most fans go wrong, and say "but we belong 'cause we are better than one or two under performing schools you already have"

You don't hire a new employee because they are better than your worst performer. You hire one you think will be a top performer, or at least above the average of what you have.

A-10 has majic formula with 14, ACC makes 15 work,
MVC takes 5 from surronding states & stregth thier footprint
UM-Wis, Murrey ST, ORAL ROBERTS, ARK LR, UMKC [BORDERS KANSAS]

(04-06-2017 05:25 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 03:34 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(04-03-2017 09:50 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If IUPUI leaves the Summit I think the Summit's candidates are UMKC, and dipping into DII for Duluth or St Cloud St. Eventually bringing the Minnesota schools in gives them a chance to bring hockey sponsorship to the Summit and probably wrangle control of the MVFC.

I'd love to bring up Duluth. But if that happens, they'll have to drop football (and possibly women's hockey) to save money. Same thing as Omaha.

Don't think MNSCU schools can afford it, however.

(04-03-2017 11:16 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  The legislature will not allow it.

You're just making a wild guess, you have no quotes or even opinion articles to back this up.

Like I said above, I don't think MNSCU schools can afford it. But Duluth, if it drops football and perhaps women's hockey, would be a really great add. Great town. Great school. And they have a very nice arena.

Two big precedents support this, as well: UNO, with Big Ten school Nebraska, and UW-Milkwaukee & UW-Green Bay, with Big Ten school Wisconsin.

(04-04-2017 04:53 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The other sports are all even when UIC leaves:

WVB = 8 (UDM doesn't sponsor)
BB = 6 (UWM, Cleve St, UDM don't sponsor)
SB = 8 (UWM doesn't sponsor)
MS = 8 (Belmont leaving, YSU doesn't sponsor)

It's actually easier, no byes as they now have.

Interesting, and correct. But men's basketball, women's basketball, and women's soccer would all go to nine.

And basketball is what matters.

(04-04-2017 05:15 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  IUPUI doesn't fund their program to Horizon standards -- they basically need to double funding. They are also facing budgetary problems. And attendance is far lower than anyone in the Horizon.

Let's compare IUPU's to Cleveland St and Youngstown St:

MBB expenses (2015-16, OPE EiA database):
IUPUI - $1.56M
IPFW - $1.27M
CSU - $2.17M
YSU - $1.35M

Average attendance (2015-16 season):
IUPUI - 1,055 (11 games)
IPFW - 1,278 (13 games)
CSU - 1,911 (15 games)
YSU - 2,013 (14 games)


At least in MBB, with those two Horizon teams, it's really not that far off ...

Duluth, Mankato, St Cloud would all have to pull an Omaha. Drop FB. Hockey takes way too many resources for them to have both. Those schools are not UND and do not have the support UND do.

I've always thought that a possibility, if we can hold DU would be Northern Colorado. They are in no man's land in the BSC. Even more so now that UND is leaving. Plus, bringing them in would give us 6 FB schools, allowing for a takeover of the MVFC. That I would appreciate. I'm tired of the eastern MVFC schools (other then YSU) and their whiny, I can't afford anything attitude.

A poster on the UND board apparently works for Mankato St, and he says they have been approached as a possible backfill by the Slummit for DI. It is known that Mankato is very miffed that they didn't get included in the NCHC, hence they applied along with Ariz St, but have real doubts that they would actually drop scholarship fb to go DI. If they rejoin St Cloud St and UMD in hockey, that will satisfy them.

The DII school that probably would drop football for DI is Concordia-St Paul and add DI men's lacrosse and men's soccer instead. The Summit league could use a team in the Twin Cities but Concordia-St Paul is rather low on the Minnesota private school totem pole as far as endowment and academic prestige. But that's also why they aren't in the MIAC.

The one city that could support a DI school in Minnesota is Rochester. Relatively wealthy and not an extended Twin City JC like St Cloud St and Mankato St. But that not possible at a young campus like UM-Rochester and Rochester the city wouldn't show much support for nearby Winona St.

(04-06-2017 07:14 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 05:25 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 03:34 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(04-03-2017 09:50 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If IUPUI leaves the Summit I think the Summit's candidates are UMKC, and dipping into DII for Duluth or St Cloud St. Eventually bringing the Minnesota schools in gives them a chance to bring hockey sponsorship to the Summit and probably wrangle control of the MVFC.

I'd love to bring up Duluth. But if that happens, they'll have to drop football (and possibly women's hockey) to save money. Same thing as Omaha.

Don't think MNSCU schools can afford it, however.

(04-03-2017 11:16 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  The legislature will not allow it.

You're just making a wild guess, you have no quotes or even opinion articles to back this up.

Like I said above, I don't think MNSCU schools can afford it. But Duluth, if it drops football and perhaps women's hockey, would be a really great add. Great town. Great school. And they have a very nice arena.

Two big precedents support this, as well: UNO, with Big Ten school Nebraska, and UW-Milkwaukee & UW-Green Bay, with Big Ten school Wisconsin.

(04-04-2017 04:53 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The other sports are all even when UIC leaves:

WVB = 8 (UDM doesn't sponsor)
BB = 6 (UWM, Cleve St, UDM don't sponsor)
SB = 8 (UWM doesn't sponsor)
MS = 8 (Belmont leaving, YSU doesn't sponsor)

It's actually easier, no byes as they now have.

Interesting, and correct. But men's basketball, women's basketball, and women's soccer would all go to nine.

And basketball is what matters.

(04-04-2017 05:15 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  IUPUI doesn't fund their program to Horizon standards -- they basically need to double funding. They are also facing budgetary problems. And attendance is far lower than anyone in the Horizon.

Let's compare IUPU's to Cleveland St and Youngstown St:

MBB expenses (2015-16, OPE EiA database):
IUPUI - $1.56M
IPFW - $1.27M
CSU - $2.17M
YSU - $1.35M

Average attendance (2015-16 season):
IUPUI - 1,055 (11 games)
IPFW - 1,278 (13 games)
CSU - 1,911 (15 games)
YSU - 2,013 (14 games)


At least in MBB, with those two Horizon teams, it's really not that far off ...

Duluth, Mankato, St Cloud would all have to pull an Omaha. Drop FB. Hockey takes way too many resources for them to have both. Those schools are not UND and do not have the support UND do.

I've always thought that a possibility, if we can hold DU would be Northern Colorado. They are in no man's land in the BSC. Even more so now that UND is leaving. Plus, bringing them in would give us 6 FB schools, allowing for a takeover of the MVFC. That I would appreciate. I'm tired of the eastern MVFC schools (other then YSU) and their whiny, I can't afford anything attitude.

A poster on the UND board apparently works for Mankato St, and he says they have been approached as a possible backfill by the Slummit for DI. It is known that Mankato is very miffed that they didn't get included in the NCHC, hence they applied along with Ariz St, but have real doubts that they would actually drop scholarship fb to go DI. If they rejoin St Cloud St and UMD in hockey, that will satisfy them.

The DII school that probably would drop football for DI is Concordia-St Paul and add DI men's lacrosse and men's soccer instead. The Summit league could use a team in the Twin Cities but Concordia-St Paul is rather low on the Minnesota private school totem pole as far as endowment and academic prestige. But that's also why they aren't in the MIAC.

The one city that could support a DI school in Minnesota is Rochester. Relatively wealthy and not an extended Twin City JC like St Cloud St and Mankato St. But that not possible at a young campus like UM-Rochester and Rochester the city wouldn't show much support for nearby Winona St.

Not one of those schools are exciting. We have the schools from the old NCC I want (well we were never in the NCC with Duluth) but I'm not interested. The only old NCC school outside of who we have that I would be interested in is No Colorado.

We need to look elsewhere, not interested in more D2 move ups, especially from within the region.

Why is everybody still think it is the 1940s or 1950s? What implies then about not wanting another school in the state be D1 does not apply today. All those politicians are long gone, and with the latest in state politicians from every state? They belong to P5 or D1 schools anymore. There will be politicians from D2 schools in favor to have their schools to move to D1.

(04-06-2017 08:07 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 07:14 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 05:25 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 03:34 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(04-03-2017 09:50 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If IUPUI leaves the Summit I think the Summit's candidates are UMKC, and dipping into DII for Duluth or St Cloud St. Eventually bringing the Minnesota schools in gives them a chance to bring hockey sponsorship to the Summit and probably wrangle control of the MVFC.

I'd love to bring up Duluth. But if that happens, they'll have to drop football (and possibly women's hockey) to save money. Same thing as Omaha.

Don't think MNSCU schools can afford it, however.

(04-03-2017 11:16 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  The legislature will not allow it.

You're just making a wild guess, you have no quotes or even opinion articles to back this up.

Like I said above, I don't think MNSCU schools can afford it. But Duluth, if it drops football and perhaps women's hockey, would be a really great add. Great town. Great school. And they have a very nice arena.

Two big precedents support this, as well: UNO, with Big Ten school Nebraska, and UW-Milkwaukee & UW-Green Bay, with Big Ten school Wisconsin.

(04-04-2017 04:53 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The other sports are all even when UIC leaves:

WVB = 8 (UDM doesn't sponsor)
BB = 6 (UWM, Cleve St, UDM don't sponsor)
SB = 8 (UWM doesn't sponsor)
MS = 8 (Belmont leaving, YSU doesn't sponsor)

It's actually easier, no byes as they now have.

Interesting, and correct. But men's basketball, women's basketball, and women's soccer would all go to nine.

And basketball is what matters.

(04-04-2017 05:15 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  IUPUI doesn't fund their program to Horizon standards -- they basically need to double funding. They are also facing budgetary problems. And attendance is far lower than anyone in the Horizon.

Let's compare IUPU's to Cleveland St and Youngstown St:

MBB expenses (2015-16, OPE EiA database):
IUPUI - $1.56M
IPFW - $1.27M
CSU - $2.17M
YSU - $1.35M

Average attendance (2015-16 season):
IUPUI - 1,055 (11 games)
IPFW - 1,278 (13 games)
CSU - 1,911 (15 games)
YSU - 2,013 (14 games)


At least in MBB, with those two Horizon teams, it's really not that far off ...

Duluth, Mankato, St Cloud would all have to pull an Omaha. Drop FB. Hockey takes way too many resources for them to have both. Those schools are not UND and do not have the support UND do.

I've always thought that a possibility, if we can hold DU would be Northern Colorado. They are in no man's land in the BSC. Even more so now that UND is leaving. Plus, bringing them in would give us 6 FB schools, allowing for a takeover of the MVFC. That I would appreciate. I'm tired of the eastern MVFC schools (other then YSU) and their whiny, I can't afford anything attitude.

A poster on the UND board apparently works for Mankato St, and he says they have been approached as a possible backfill by the Slummit for DI. It is known that Mankato is very miffed that they didn't get included in the NCHC, hence they applied along with Ariz St, but have real doubts that they would actually drop scholarship fb to go DI. If they rejoin St Cloud St and UMD in hockey, that will satisfy them.

The DII school that probably would drop football for DI is Concordia-St Paul and add DI men's lacrosse and men's soccer instead. The Summit league could use a team in the Twin Cities but Concordia-St Paul is rather low on the Minnesota private school totem pole as far as endowment and academic prestige. But that's also why they aren't in the MIAC.

The one city that could support a DI school in Minnesota is Rochester. Relatively wealthy and not an extended Twin City JC like St Cloud St and Mankato St. But that not possible at a young campus like UM-Rochester and Rochester the city wouldn't show much support for nearby Winona St.

Not one of those schools are exciting. We have the schools from the old NCC I want (well we were never in the NCC with Duluth) but I'm not interested. The only old NCC school outside of who we have that I would be interested in is No Colorado.

We need to look elsewhere, not interested in more D2 move ups, especially from within the region.

UND looks at the Twin Cities differently from the other Dakotas, as we need a presence there and an intense rival. We're not in fear of intensity because many fans there actually end up liking us. That stems from hockey mostly, but it's a top market for us and many of our fans. NDSU wants to play there, so they schedule a fb game at Target Field against Butler of all teams, because it looks on the Cities as only as fanbase, and doesnt want a potential rival there.

(04-06-2017 07:02 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  A-10 has majic formula with 14, ACC makes 15 work, ...

In neither case is it the number that makes it work ... it's the programs with histories and alumni bases that mean that if they hit a rough patch, they are one good hire away from working back to their former level ... and coaches available for hire know it, so that "one good hire" is available in the pool of candidates they are talking to.

A Nashville TV source says Belmont, N Kentucky, Murray St, Valpo, Omaha and NDSU are the MVC replacement candidates.

(04-07-2017 01:07 AM)NoDak Wrote:  A Nashville TV source says Belmont, N Kentucky, Murray St, Valpo, Omaha and NDSU are the MVC replacement candidates.

Link please

(04-07-2017 01:13 AM)Chuck_A Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 01:07 AM)NoDak Wrote:  A Nashville TV source says Belmont, N Kentucky, Murray St, Valpo, Omaha and NDSU are the MVC replacement candidates.

Link please

http://www.newschannel5.com/sports/

Surprised UIC wasn't listed.

(04-01-2017 05:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  [quote='Stugray2' pid='14228398' dateline='1491080938']


They may not want another Chicago area school. I think their first shot is getting St. Louis to return. A10 has become a poor geographic fit for them. After that its difficult. You either add Valpo or UIC in Chicago, W. Illinois to bring in one of your football affiliates or go for someone like Detroit. Nobody has been real consistent in basketball lately. Schools like Milwaukee, Cleveland St. and Murray St. might have made sense at other times.

I am guessing they go for St Louis - completely central to their market, etc.

If not, they really need a team in the Western part of the footprint, so one of the Arkansas teams may make sense. Valpo seems like an obvious choice as well.

(04-07-2017 01:18 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 01:13 AM)Chuck_A Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 01:07 AM)NoDak Wrote:  A Nashville TV source says Belmont, N Kentucky, Murray St, Valpo, Omaha and NDSU are the MVC replacement candidates.

Link please

http://www.newschannel5.com/sports/

Surprised UIC wasn't listed.

Thanks. I'm equally surprised the Flames weren't mentioned. Oh well.

(04-03-2017 09:50 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Here's my take on the Wichita St domino effect:

The lead candidates for their spot are UIC and Valpo. UMKC and Murray St might have an outside chance.

If Valpo leaves the Horizon I fully expect the Horizon to fill their spot with IUPUI or IPFW with the Jaguars being the stronger candidate. Robert Morris is an interesting thought but it would throw off the travel pairs. The reason there was opposition to IUPUI and IPFW in the Horizon was that private schools Valpo and Butler took a NIMBY approach to public schools sharing their markets. IF Valpo is gone then so is that opposition. Even if UIC is the one that departs and not Valpo I still think IUPUI is a strong candidate.

If IUPUI leaves the Summit I think the Summit's candidates are UMKC, and dipping into DII for Duluth or St Cloud St. Eventually bringing the Minnesota schools in gives them a chance to bring hockey sponsorship to the Summit and probably wrangle control of the MVFC.

It would be a nice promotion for UMKC to be the the MVC and possibly smart for the MVC to tap the Kansas City market (where there are some Missouri St folks as well).

Barring another round of realignment that removes UConn and Cinci, I'd say WSU made a great move.

(04-06-2017 08:33 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Why is everybody still think it is the 1940s or 1950s? What implies then about not wanting another school in the state be D1 does not apply today. All those politicians are long gone, and with the latest in state politicians from every state? They belong to P5 or D1 schools anymore. There will be politicians from D2 schools in favor to have their schools to move to D1.

David simple rule in realignment.
You rarely want someone who is so close they compete with you for air time on the local news or compete for space in the paper. You don't want people who you will compete with to sell tickets. You don't want someone who has as their primary recruiting area, your primary recruiting area.

(04-07-2017 08:18 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 08:33 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Why is everybody still think it is the 1940s or 1950s? What implies then about not wanting another school in the state be D1 does not apply today. All those politicians are long gone, and with the latest in state politicians from every state? They belong to P5 or D1 schools anymore. There will be politicians from D2 schools in favor to have their schools to move to D1.

David simple rule in realignment.
You rarely want someone who is so close they compete with you for air time on the local news or compete for space in the paper. You don't want people who you will compete with to sell tickets. You don't want someone who has as their primary recruiting area, your primary recruiting area.

Doesn't seem to have hurt Duke/North Carolina or even the Big 5 in Philly. You did say "rarely" though, so I hear ya.

(04-07-2017 08:29 AM)Chuck_A Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 08:18 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 08:33 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Why is everybody still think it is the 1940s or 1950s? What implies then about not wanting another school in the state be D1 does not apply today. All those politicians are long gone, and with the latest in state politicians from every state? They belong to P5 or D1 schools anymore. There will be politicians from D2 schools in favor to have their schools to move to D1.

David simple rule in realignment.
You rarely want someone who is so close they compete with you for air time on the local news or compete for space in the paper. You don't want people who you will compete with to sell tickets. You don't want someone who has as their primary recruiting area, your primary recruiting area.

Doesn't seem to have hurt Duke/North Carolina or even the Big 5 in Philly. You did say "rarely" though, so I hear ya.

And those alliances pre-date television, suburban sprawl, and going to school in your own car, think it was early 70's before a majority of freshmen had a car.