I think something you wonder about......

Will SLU want to go to the MVC thinking they could turn things around faster there for eventual inclusion into the Big East?

(04-07-2017 01:18 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 01:13 AM)Chuck_A Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 01:07 AM)NoDak Wrote:  A Nashville TV source says Belmont, N Kentucky, Murray St, Valpo, Omaha and NDSU are the MVC replacement candidates.

Link please

http://www.newschannel5.com/sports/

Surprised UIC wasn't listed.

Minus anyone being quoted, the article is pure speculation. However, interesting logic, can look at the quote either way... if you are a strong program, "never leave a one bid league for a harder one bid league".

I like the article from within the current MVC footprint better.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/s...100134890/

Here is the actual link to the article NoDak mentioned: http://www.newschannel5.com/sports/more-...d-stay-put

(sorry NoDak, but for whatever reason, you are terrible at linking ...)

Quote:Industry sources believe the pool of candidates the league will at least consider for expansion includes the likes of Belmont, Murray State, North Dakota State, Nebraska-Omaha, Northern Kentucky and Valparaiso.

And there you go: throw this article in the trash. That they mentioned NDSU as being a candidate, when the conference does not sponsor football, but not SDSU, and not UIC, blows away any credibility it has. Sorry, but NDSU is not anything special outside of football! And it's a long way away from most league members.


This is just a BS guess, without any need to cite anything of credibility. NEXT!

(04-07-2017 08:18 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 08:33 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Why is everybody still think it is the 1940s or 1950s? What implies then about not wanting another school in the state be D1 does not apply today. All those politicians are long gone, and with the latest in state politicians from every state? They belong to P5 or D1 schools anymore. There will be politicians from D2 schools in favor to have their schools to move to D1.

David simple rule in realignment.
You rarely want someone who is so close they compete with you for air time on the local news or compete for space in the paper. You don't want people who you will compete with to sell tickets. You don't want someone who has as their primary recruiting area, your primary recruiting area.

Well, take a look at Minnesota? If they go 0-12 in football, the state of Minnesota does not have a team in a bowl game for pride sakes. If you at Mankato State to the ranks of D1, and they go to the FCS playoffs? Then, Minnesota would have a school to cheer in the post season when the main team can't go. As it is for Arkansas? Arkansas is first, then A-State, then the other schools. Unless another school gets the first top billing when a player was killed. A-State was the first news story in Little Rock before Arkansas because one of the A-State's football player was found murdered a couple of years ago. Second, it is not hard to have an in-state rivalry game for the fans in the state.
For example:
Virginia, Virginia Tech, Old Dominion, Richmond, James Madison and William & Mary are all rivals in all sports, and will play each other more often which sells more tickets.

(04-07-2017 09:48 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I think something you wonder about......

Will SLU want to go to the MVC thinking they could turn things around faster there for eventual inclusion into the Big East?

I think SLU is staying in the A-10 until called to the only two conferences that any A-10 team would ever get called to....the AAC (probably not happening for SLU) or the nBE (looks like its not in the cards in short or medium term).

Perhaps if Dayton left...they'd be amenable.

If UConn and Dayton went to the Big East, filling it up at 12, and the AAC added VCU ....... yeah maybe the A10 would be so far down that SLU would consider MVC.

Realistically I think the schools they are looking at are:

UIC
Valpo
UNO
UMKC
Murray St

Murray St is probably a nonstarter for the 4 privates.

UMKC and UNO offer good midsized markets and are publics w/o basketball and could be compromise candidates. UNO is in a league with UND and Denver so they might be okay with the move. UMKC has a lower budget but I think they realized that the WAC was a mistake.

UIC and Valpo are the two at the top of the list. Valpo is private and has some history. UIC has the allure of the big city.

(04-07-2017 02:30 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 08:18 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 08:33 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Why is everybody still think it is the 1940s or 1950s? What implies then about not wanting another school in the state be D1 does not apply today. All those politicians are long gone, and with the latest in state politicians from every state? They belong to P5 or D1 schools anymore. There will be politicians from D2 schools in favor to have their schools to move to D1.

David simple rule in realignment.
You rarely want someone who is so close they compete with you for air time on the local news or compete for space in the paper. You don't want people who you will compete with to sell tickets. You don't want someone who has as their primary recruiting area, your primary recruiting area.

Well, take a look at Minnesota? If they go 0-12 in football, the state of Minnesota does not have a team in a bowl game for pride sakes. If you at Mankato State to the ranks of D1, and they go to the FCS playoffs? Then, Minnesota would have a school to cheer in the post season when the main team can't go. As it is for Arkansas? Arkansas is first, then A-State, then the other schools. Unless another school gets the first top billing when a player was killed. A-State was the first news story in Little Rock before Arkansas because one of the A-State's football player was found murdered a couple of years ago. Second, it is not hard to have an in-state rivalry game for the fans in the state.
For example:
Virginia, Virginia Tech, Old Dominion, Richmond, James Madison and William & Mary are all rivals in all sports, and will play each other more often which sells more tickets.

Repeat: David simple rule in realignment.
You rarely want someone who is so close they compete with you for air time on the local news or compete for space in the paper. You don't want people who you will compete with to sell tickets. You don't want someone who has as their primary recruiting area, your primary recruiting area.

https://www.fanragsports.com/news/mvc-ta...departure/
Potentially, Valpo and Murray St. to MVC for 11-team, 20-game conference. My guess is that if this happens, the Horizon adds Belmont from the OVC, and CR is done for a little while longer as both the Horizon and OVC would have 10 teams (unless the OVC wants to get back to 12).

(04-07-2017 04:59 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  https://www.fanragsports.com/news/mvc-ta...departure/
Potentially, Valpo and Murray St. to MVC for 11-team, 20-game conference. My guess is that if this happens, the Horizon adds Belmont from the OVC, and CR is done for a little while longer as both the Horizon and OVC would have 10 teams (unless the OVC wants to get back to 12).

The problem with OVC is that they could lose 2 more teams in the future. Eastern Kentucky and Jacksonville State could do what Liberty done and get into FBS as Independents. Both schools could easily find games with FBS schools as Independents. That means OVC need to find more schools to get back into football and all that.

Possible OVC targets?
North Alabama
Kennesaw State
Valdosta State
Bellarmine
High Point
Winthrop
Lipscomb
Delaware State
Hampton U.
UAH
Illinois-Springfield
Southern Indiana
Lindenwood
UMSL
UIC
IUPUI
Northern Kentucky
UNC-Asheville
Cleveland State
Wright State
Youngstown State
Robert Morris?
USC-Upstate

If I were OVC? I would look at expansion because you could lose 4 schools in a snap. Belmont to Southern Conference, Murray State to MVC and Jacksonville State/Eastern Kentucky to FBS.

(04-07-2017 04:59 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  https://www.fanragsports.com/news/mvc-ta...departure/
Potentially, Valpo and Murray St. to MVC for 11-team, 20-game conference. My guess is that if this happens, the Horizon adds Belmont from the OVC, and CR is done for a little while longer as both the Horizon and OVC would have 10 teams (unless the OVC wants to get back to 12).

But what if Belmont says no to the Horizon?

Then does the Horizon stay at 9, or does it target Summit teams?

(04-07-2017 05:48 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 04:59 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  https://www.fanragsports.com/news/mvc-ta...departure/
Potentially, Valpo and Murray St. to MVC for 11-team, 20-game conference. My guess is that if this happens, the Horizon adds Belmont from the OVC, and CR is done for a little while longer as both the Horizon and OVC would have 10 teams (unless the OVC wants to get back to 12).

But what if Belmont says no to the Horizon?

Then does the Horizon stay at 9, or does it target Summit teams?

Maybe it grabs Western Illinois in that scenario, and the OVC could stay at 11 with 20-game schedule (I'm thinking this is going to become a popular number-MAAC already does it and now MVC may do it too) or add one more (Florida Gulf Coast maybe).

(04-07-2017 05:34 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 04:59 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  https://www.fanragsports.com/news/mvc-ta...departure/
Potentially, Valpo and Murray St. to MVC for 11-team, 20-game conference. My guess is that if this happens, the Horizon adds Belmont from the OVC, and CR is done for a little while longer as both the Horizon and OVC would have 10 teams (unless the OVC wants to get back to 12).

The problem with OVC is that they could lose 2 more teams in the future. Eastern Kentucky and Jacksonville State could do what Liberty done and get into FBS as Independents. Both schools could easily find games with FBS schools as Independents. That means OVC need to find more schools to get back into football and all that.

Possible OVC targets?
North Alabama
Kennesaw State
Valdosta State
Bellarmine
High Point
Winthrop
Lipscomb
Delaware State
Hampton U.
UAH
Illinois-Springfield
Southern Indiana
Lindenwood
UMSL
UIC
IUPUI
Northern Kentucky
UNC-Asheville
Cleveland State
Wright State
Youngstown State
Robert Morris?
USC-Upstate

If I were OVC? I would look at expansion because you could lose 4 schools in a snap. Belmont to Southern Conference, Murray State to MVC and Jacksonville State/Eastern Kentucky to FBS.

If Jax State and EKU go the Liberty route all their other sports would still be in the OVC and as long as Jax State is in the OVC, UNA won't ever get accepted. They were rejected twice. Winthrop and Ashville have tight budgets so it would have to be more regional. It's been known for a while that both Winthrop and High Point want a SOCON invite. With HPU's new arena they have a chance. The Big South has an emergency plan in place because there are a couple schools who are on the verge of dropping down and you have Liberty who they still have to vote to either keep them in or out.

(04-07-2017 05:48 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 04:59 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  https://www.fanragsports.com/news/mvc-ta...departure/
Potentially, Valpo and Murray St. to MVC for 11-team, 20-game conference. My guess is that if this happens, the Horizon adds Belmont from the OVC, and CR is done for a little while longer as both the Horizon and OVC would have 10 teams (unless the OVC wants to get back to 12).

But what if Belmont says no to the Horizon?

Then does the Horizon stay at 9, or does it target Summit teams?

Belmont has already turned down the Horizon with Valpo in it. Plus the just moved men's soccer from the HL to the Southern.

(04-07-2017 05:55 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 05:48 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 04:59 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  https://www.fanragsports.com/news/mvc-ta...departure/
Potentially, Valpo and Murray St. to MVC for 11-team, 20-game conference. My guess is that if this happens, the Horizon adds Belmont from the OVC, and CR is done for a little while longer as both the Horizon and OVC would have 10 teams (unless the OVC wants to get back to 12).

But what if Belmont says no to the Horizon?

Then does the Horizon stay at 9, or does it target Summit teams?

Maybe it grabs Western Illinois in that scenario, and the OVC could stay at 11 with 20-game schedule (I'm thinking this is going to become a popular number-MAAC already does it and now MVC may do it too) or add one more (Florida Gulf Coast maybe).

I'd say the target should be Ft. Wayne to backfill in Northern Indiana.

This Valpo/Murray combo to me sounds like a big mistake. Both have been great dominating their conferences but its not the same at the MVC level. I don't see them seriously moving up recruiting with the move.

(04-07-2017 08:59 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 05:55 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 05:48 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 04:59 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  https://www.fanragsports.com/news/mvc-ta...departure/
Potentially, Valpo and Murray St. to MVC for 11-team, 20-game conference. My guess is that if this happens, the Horizon adds Belmont from the OVC, and CR is done for a little while longer as both the Horizon and OVC would have 10 teams (unless the OVC wants to get back to 12).

But what if Belmont says no to the Horizon?

Then does the Horizon stay at 9, or does it target Summit teams?

Maybe it grabs Western Illinois in that scenario, and the OVC could stay at 11 with 20-game schedule (I'm thinking this is going to become a popular number-MAAC already does it and now MVC may do it too) or add one more (Florida Gulf Coast maybe).

I'd say the target should be Ft. Wayne to backfill in Northern Indiana.

This Valpo/Murray combo to me sounds like a big mistake. Both have been great dominating their conferences but its not the same at the MVC level. I don't see them seriously moving up recruiting with the move.

Then what do you want? Schools that have not been dominating their conferences? Who would recruit better?

(04-07-2017 09:12 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 08:59 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 05:55 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 05:48 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 04:59 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  https://www.fanragsports.com/news/mvc-ta...departure/
Potentially, Valpo and Murray St. to MVC for 11-team, 20-game conference. My guess is that if this happens, the Horizon adds Belmont from the OVC, and CR is done for a little while longer as both the Horizon and OVC would have 10 teams (unless the OVC wants to get back to 12).

But what if Belmont says no to the Horizon?

Then does the Horizon stay at 9, or does it target Summit teams?

Maybe it grabs Western Illinois in that scenario, and the OVC could stay at 11 with 20-game schedule (I'm thinking this is going to become a popular number-MAAC already does it and now MVC may do it too) or add one more (Florida Gulf Coast maybe).

I'd say the target should be Ft. Wayne to backfill in Northern Indiana.

This Valpo/Murray combo to me sounds like a big mistake. Both have been great dominating their conferences but its not the same at the MVC level. I don't see them seriously moving up recruiting with the move.

Then what do you want? Schools that have not been dominating their conferences? Who would recruit better?

Exactly. Who does the Valley poach if people at top of inferior conferences aren't good enough.

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(04-07-2017 09:12 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 08:59 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 05:55 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 05:48 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 04:59 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  https://www.fanragsports.com/news/mvc-ta...departure/
Potentially, Valpo and Murray St. to MVC for 11-team, 20-game conference. My guess is that if this happens, the Horizon adds Belmont from the OVC, and CR is done for a little while longer as both the Horizon and OVC would have 10 teams (unless the OVC wants to get back to 12).

But what if Belmont says no to the Horizon?

Then does the Horizon stay at 9, or does it target Summit teams?

Maybe it grabs Western Illinois in that scenario, and the OVC could stay at 11 with 20-game schedule (I'm thinking this is going to become a popular number-MAAC already does it and now MVC may do it too) or add one more (Florida Gulf Coast maybe).

I'd say the target should be Ft. Wayne to backfill in Northern Indiana.

This Valpo/Murray combo to me sounds like a big mistake. Both have been great dominating their conferences but its not the same at the MVC level. I don't see them seriously moving up recruiting with the move.

Then what do you want? Schools that have not been dominating their conferences? Who would recruit better?

South Dakota St. to me is intriguing. They fit that Great Plains theme well.

Or go to a 6/6 public/private split with Valpo, Detroit and Wright St. Create a true west division for travel. Then Horizon and WAC mop up the Summit schools.