Because some folks hijacked the thread about it. here it is again...
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/medi...na-2016-17

All Championships moved out of North Carolina for the 16-17 school year....

Pretty big for basketball and baseball. And even womens soccer- who normally always has the semifinal and finals in Cary.

This should do it.

Yowzas at UNCG losing tournament games. That's a crippling loss.

(09-12-2016 07:25 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 06:28 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 06:26 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Good. Can't stand it when states think they're too good to fall in line.

WOW. That's huge news.

No baseball regionals for NC teams either I suppose.

Does not apply to baseball regionals. Clemson, SC, Winthrop, Coastal, and College of Charleston all hosted regionals while the flag of the Army of Northern Virginia flew on the SC State House grounds.

It will effect bowl games and basketball tournament sites though. I do not know if the Belk Bowl is grandfathered in, but I think they'd have a pretty good legal ground to fight the NCAA over if they want to head down that path. I suspect the Belk will be left alone since it was already operating. It was much easier to ban bowls in SC because none existed. But I suspect they'll ban additional bowls (but it aint like they were planning to set one up in Raleigh, now were they?)

Also, I'd just like to state for the record, I'm 100% in support of the following repercussions for the NCAA wanting to play politics:
1) Lose non-profit status
2) Become NAIA 2.0 after the power conferences take their ball (and their money) and go home. The NCAA is already despised for its recruiting regulatory regime among the entire P5. It is an ever fatter, ever more political, ever more wasteful middle man between schools and the money they generate. The NCAA has already been dealt out of the game in big time college football. All they have to lose now is the men's basketball tournament and the NCAA is effectively bankrupt overnight.

Why would the Belk Bowl have any more standing to sue than the Greensboro Sports Authority?

Now that this is in the Spin Room

There's a simple solution...allow the elected representatives of Charlotte, Cary, Raleigh, Greensboro, Asheville and elsewhere in NC to prohibit emplyment and public accommodation discrimination in the public and private sectors

And another issue is that NC still hasn't solved the issue of a Transgendered male born in Tennessee/Utah/Kansas/Ohio/outside the USA. They can't get a new birth certificate even after surgery. So NC law requires men with P*nis' to use the ladies room at NCAA events in NC.

Basically, NC passed a law to allow for employment and public accommodations discrimination against LGBT persons (including Gays and Lesbians), and prohibiting local municipalities to mitigate that.

I'm fine with losing all tax exemptions for any private group, including the NCAA, the NFL, pretty much all Country Clubs, and other private groups (including churches). They all discriminate.

So what do they do when this bathroom thing is upheld in court and other states start implementing the same or a similar law?

Because you know darn well that as soon as the risk of a lawsuit goes away at least 20 other states will put similar laws in place. Probably more (because republican states tend to be smaller than democratic states so there are a lot more of them).

(09-12-2016 07:38 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Why would the Belk Bowl have any more standing to sue than the Greensboro Sports Authority?

Now that this is in the Spin Room

There's a simple solution...allow the elected representatives of Charlotte, Cary, Raleigh, Greensboro, Asheville and elsewhere in NC to prohibit emplyment and public accommodation discrimination in the public and private sectors

And another issue is that NC still hasn't solved the issue of a Transgendered male born in Tennessee/Utah/Kansas/Ohio/outside the USA. They can't get a new birth certificate even after surgery. So NC law requires men with P*nis' to use the ladies room at NCAA events in NC.

Basically, NC passed a law to allow for employment and public accommodations discrimination against LGBT persons (including Gays and Lesbians), and prohibiting local municipalities to mitigate that.

I'm fine with losing all tax exemptions for any private group, including the NCAA, the NFL, pretty much all Country Clubs, and other private groups (including churches). They all discriminate.

The men's basketball tournament is run by the NCAA. The NCAA is the entity that negotiates TV rights with CBS for that. The NCAA, OTOH, has NO tie-in to big boy college football. The Belk Bowl is a contract between the organization running the bowl, the ACC, and the SEC. The NCAA sees none of the money. The NCAA doesn't even set the rules for the game. The NCAA sets recruiting and academic progress rules. Nothing else. And that's purely because the conferences wish to wash their hands of the dirty work of convincing everybody that making billions of dollars of students is an affair of pure education and amateur athletics and in no way a semi-professional league of its own. You can see why the conferences might be okay washing their hands of that work.

If they tried to shut down the Belk Bowl they'd get curb stomped publicly and in court. And pissing off the ACC and SEC -- the two conferences with the BIGGEST axe to grind over football rules -- is a great way to jump start the final exodus.

(09-12-2016 07:31 PM)Dasville Wrote:  This should do it.

You mean the destruction of the NCAA? There already has been a movement by many schools to abandon it. Getting into politics may not sit well with a lot of its members.

(09-12-2016 07:44 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 07:38 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Why would the Belk Bowl have any more standing to sue than the Greensboro Sports Authority?

Now that this is in the Spin Room

There's a simple solution...allow the elected representatives of Charlotte, Cary, Raleigh, Greensboro, Asheville and elsewhere in NC to prohibit emplyment and public accommodation discrimination in the public and private sectors

And another issue is that NC still hasn't solved the issue of a Transgendered male born in Tennessee/Utah/Kansas/Ohio/outside the USA. They can't get a new birth certificate even after surgery. So NC law requires men with P*nis' to use the ladies room at NCAA events in NC.

Basically, NC passed a law to allow for employment and public accommodations discrimination against LGBT persons (including Gays and Lesbians), and prohibiting local municipalities to mitigate that.

I'm fine with losing all tax exemptions for any private group, including the NCAA, the NFL, pretty much all Country Clubs, and other private groups (including churches). They all discriminate.

The men's basketball tournament is run by the NCAA. The NCAA is the entity that negotiates TV rights with CBS for that. The NCAA, OTOH, has NO tie-in to big boy college football. The Belk Bowl is a contract between the organization running the bowl, the ACC, and the SEC. The NCAA sees none of the money. The NCAA doesn't even set the rules for the game. The NCAA sets recruiting and academic progress rules. Nothing else. And that's purely because the conferences wish to wash their hands of the dirty work of convincing everybody that making billions of dollars of students is an affair of pure education and amateur athletics and in no way a semi-professional league of its own. You can see why the conferences might be okay washing their hands of that work.

If they tried to shut down the Belk Bowl they'd get curb stomped publicly and in court. And pissing off the ACC and SEC -- the two conferences with the BIGGEST axe to grind over football rules -- is a great way to jump start the final exodus.

I don't think the Presidents are going to raise too much of a stink if it gets moved to Williams-Brice for a season or two. Remember that the Presidents aren't going to form the 'humiliate the Gays' conference.

But I find it interesting that you find it fine that NC can protect discrimination but then get upset when other groups refuse to subject LGBT persons to that discrimination. So everyone has the freedom to fire and humiliate Gays, but Gays have no right to even campaign that they not be subjected to discrimination in order to participate in movable events? Anti-Gays apparently have the right to discriminate, target, punish, and humiliate Gays but Gays and our allies have no right to even protect our community's access to events? I hope you just haven't thought about the consistency of what you're saying. It happens.

And the NC GOP has told everyone who has attempted to mitigate their hateful laws to go pound sand.

(09-12-2016 07:41 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  So what do they do when this bathroom thing is upheld in court and other states start implementing the same or a similar law?

Because you know darn well that as soon as the risk of a lawsuit goes away at least 20 other states will put similar laws in place. Probably more (because republican states tend to be smaller than democratic states so there are a lot more of them).

They should do away with all women's restrooms and make all men's rooms unisex. Eventually enough women will get tired of waiting on a private stall that this law will be overturned. After all a urinal is of little use to woman.

(09-12-2016 07:35 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Yowzas at UNCG losing tournament games. That's a crippling loss.

UNCG isn't hosting any regional sites I know of. It does raise a question on where Duke and UNC can go for March Madness this year. If I had to predict who gets Greensboro's spot, I would pick Columbia, since nothing in Virginia would fit the NCAA's criteria. Maybe JPJ in Charlottesville?

(09-12-2016 07:38 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 07:25 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 06:28 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 06:26 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Good. Can't stand it when states think they're too good to fall in line.

WOW. That's huge news.

No baseball regionals for NC teams either I suppose.

Does not apply to baseball regionals. Clemson, SC, Winthrop, Coastal, and College of Charleston all hosted regionals while the flag of the Army of Northern Virginia flew on the SC State House grounds.

It will effect bowl games and basketball tournament sites though. I do not know if the Belk Bowl is grandfathered in, but I think they'd have a pretty good legal ground to fight the NCAA over if they want to head down that path. I suspect the Belk will be left alone since it was already operating. It was much easier to ban bowls in SC because none existed. But I suspect they'll ban additional bowls (but it aint like they were planning to set one up in Raleigh, now were they?)

Also, I'd just like to state for the record, I'm 100% in support of the following repercussions for the NCAA wanting to play politics:
1) Lose non-profit status
2) Become NAIA 2.0 after the power conferences take their ball (and their money) and go home. The NCAA is already despised for its recruiting regulatory regime among the entire P5. It is an ever fatter, ever more political, ever more wasteful middle man between schools and the money they generate. The NCAA has already been dealt out of the game in big time college football. All they have to lose now is the men's basketball tournament and the NCAA is effectively bankrupt overnight.

Why would the Belk Bowl have any more standing to sue than the Greensboro Sports Authority?

Now that this is in the Spin Room

There's a simple solution...allow the elected representatives of Charlotte, Cary, Raleigh, Greensboro, Asheville and elsewhere in NC to prohibit emplyment and public accommodation discrimination in the public and private sectors

And another issue is that NC still hasn't solved the issue of a Transgendered male born in Tennessee/Utah/Kansas/Ohio/outside the USA. They can't get a new birth certificate even after surgery. So NC law requires men with P*nis' to use the ladies room at NCAA events in NC.

Basically, NC passed a law to allow for employment and public accommodations discrimination against LGBT persons (including Gays and Lesbians), and prohibiting local municipalities to mitigate that.

I'm fine with losing all tax exemptions for any private group, including the NCAA, the NFL, pretty much all Country Clubs, and other private groups (including churches). They all discriminate.

I've posted it before, bring the Port o Pot indoors. It is single occupant, has a urinal and a toilet. Line them up next to each other. Sinks out front. Totally open space. No men's or women's restrooms, no powder rooms in public and government places.

All showers for general use should be removed from the public schools.

LGBT's should have a shot at a Goverment job if they are qualified.

I hate what this does to State's rights.

There's a spin thread for the political talk about this. Let's keep this thread talking about the Sports side of it.

(09-12-2016 07:59 PM)stever20 Wrote:  There's a spin thread for the political talk about this. Let's keep this thread talking about the Sports side of it.

They use "inclusion and fairness" yet rig the playoff system for collegiate football. Hypocritical?

(09-12-2016 07:59 PM)stever20 Wrote:  There's a spin thread for the political talk about this. Let's keep this thread talking about the Sports side of it.

Sorry, I don't take this issue too seriously at all. It's funny to me that North Carolina got stuck with it. I see the sports side of this as only being an oblique casualty of the political side.

It is only ancillary to college sports, has nothing to do with realignment, and has troll bait for politics written all over it.

We'll see how long it remains on topic and if it veers from the stated intent it's off to the spin room with it.

(09-12-2016 07:54 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I don't think the Presidents are going to raise too much of a stink if it gets moved to Williams-Brice for a season or two.

But I find it interesting that you find it fine that NC can protect discrimination but then get upset when other groups refuse to subject LGBT persons to that discrimination.

I thought you were a Libertarian. I would think that if the NC GOP can mandate discrimination, that others should have the right to refuse to force LGBT fans/athletes to be subjected to discrimination and humiliation to attend or participate in NCAA events.

The NCAA is a non-profit organization for athletics at universities. There is literally ZERO overlap with their mission and the political stunts they're employing. My disagreement lies 100% therein, and nowhere else (read: not political).

For the record ... I really don't give a **** what restroom someone uses. And really, it isn't an issue to begin with. Nearly everywhere has a family/onesie/changing restroom. Which is unisex. So that's a women's, a men's, and a (anything) restroom already present. Much ado about nothing.

(09-12-2016 07:59 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 07:38 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 07:25 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 06:28 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 06:26 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Good. Can't stand it when states think they're too good to fall in line.

WOW. That's huge news.

No baseball regionals for NC teams either I suppose.

Does not apply to baseball regionals. Clemson, SC, Winthrop, Coastal, and College of Charleston all hosted regionals while the flag of the Army of Northern Virginia flew on the SC State House grounds.

It will effect bowl games and basketball tournament sites though. I do not know if the Belk Bowl is grandfathered in, but I think they'd have a pretty good legal ground to fight the NCAA over if they want to head down that path. I suspect the Belk will be left alone since it was already operating. It was much easier to ban bowls in SC because none existed. But I suspect they'll ban additional bowls (but it aint like they were planning to set one up in Raleigh, now were they?)

Also, I'd just like to state for the record, I'm 100% in support of the following repercussions for the NCAA wanting to play politics:
1) Lose non-profit status
2) Become NAIA 2.0 after the power conferences take their ball (and their money) and go home. The NCAA is already despised for its recruiting regulatory regime among the entire P5. It is an ever fatter, ever more political, ever more wasteful middle man between schools and the money they generate. The NCAA has already been dealt out of the game in big time college football. All they have to lose now is the men's basketball tournament and the NCAA is effectively bankrupt overnight.

Why would the Belk Bowl have any more standing to sue than the Greensboro Sports Authority?

Now that this is in the Spin Room

There's a simple solution...allow the elected representatives of Charlotte, Cary, Raleigh, Greensboro, Asheville and elsewhere in NC to prohibit emplyment and public accommodation discrimination in the public and private sectors

And another issue is that NC still hasn't solved the issue of a Transgendered male born in Tennessee/Utah/Kansas/Ohio/outside the USA. They can't get a new birth certificate even after surgery. So NC law requires men with P*nis' to use the ladies room at NCAA events in NC.

Basically, NC passed a law to allow for employment and public accommodations discrimination against LGBT persons (including Gays and Lesbians), and prohibiting local municipalities to mitigate that.

I'm fine with losing all tax exemptions for any private group, including the NCAA, the NFL, pretty much all Country Clubs, and other private groups (including churches). They all discriminate.

I've posted it before, bring the Port o Pot indoors. It is single occupant, has a urinal and a toilet. Line them up next to each other. Sinks out front. Totally open space. No men's or women's restrooms, no powder rooms in public and government places.

All showers for general use should be removed from the public schools.

LGBT's should have a shot at a Goverment job if they are qualified.

I hate what this does to State's rights.

It should be as illegal to fire someone for being Gay as it is to fire them for being Baptist. It should be as illegal to refuse services to someone for being Gay as it is for refusing services to someone for being evangelical.

Public funds should not support employment that is not open to LGBT persons.

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If NC wants to discriminate, then it shouldn't whine when they face consequences for that discrimination.

(09-12-2016 06:32 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  That's HUGE.

If you are Duke or UNC, it is. Many years, Duke and UNC are #1 seeds and get to play near their campuses.

Sorry swagger ... you may speak on behalf of John Doe Podunk college football/basketball fan, but the people who make the decisions are the university presidents. The world runs through them.

And they are very sympathetic to these things.

(09-12-2016 08:05 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 07:54 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I don't think the Presidents are going to raise too much of a stink if it gets moved to Williams-Brice for a season or two.

But I find it interesting that you find it fine that NC can protect discrimination but then get upset when other groups refuse to subject LGBT persons to that discrimination.

I thought you were a Libertarian. I would think that if the NC GOP can mandate discrimination, that others should have the right to refuse to force LGBT fans/athletes to be subjected to discrimination and humiliation to attend or participate in NCAA events.

The NCAA is a non-profit organization for athletics at universities. There is literally ZERO overlap with their mission and the political stunts they're employing. My disagreement lies 100% therein, and nowhere else (read: not political).

For the record ... I really don't give a **** what restroom someone uses. And really, it isn't an issue to begin with. Nearly everywhere has a family/onesie/changing restroom. Which is unisex. So that's a women's, a men's, and a (anything) restroom already present. Much ado about nothing.

This. It never has been an issue until now. The gender confused have been going to the bathroom fine without issues. Now..they have problems. Actions..have consequences.

(09-12-2016 07:59 PM)Dasville Wrote:  I hate what this does to State's rights.

Hey pal -- screw your adherence to the 10th Amendment and federalism. The NCAA has come to solve the two most pressing issues of our time -- the confederate flag and where trannies take a dump. And BY GOD solve it they will!