(03-23-2016 01:37 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-23-2016 07:32 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:40 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:38 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Frankly, I don't give a damn. If they aren't doing drugs they won't get arrested. Dont mouth off to cops and you won't get your ass kicked. It's really not that hard to NOT get arrested or get your ass kicked by a cop. That goes for whites, blacks, browns and yellows alike.

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how about this....like drinking and driving, don't do drugs in public or behind the wheel.....

it's a fair and simple concept....

And yet blacks are still 6 times more likely to go to jail so which on is it? Either we have an unfair system or black people are evil.

No, it means black people are more likely to commit crimes. The reasons why, I hypothocize, include many variables that have been discussed throughout this thread. It is not because they are black. It is not because "black people are evil". It is not a genetic factor. It is simply what it is. I look to poor education, poverty, the breakdown of the family, the lack of opportunity in the economy, and drugs. It is a nasty cycle: child born without a father involved, mom does the best that she can but can't perform all roles and mental illness sets in, school becomes daycare, child comes home and mom is at work making $9 per hour and there is no time or presence to reinforce education at home, child outside of school is under no supervision and gets caught up in a destructive culture and hangs around bad influences, child drops out or graduates and there are no economic opportunities, criminal enterprise makes more money than making $9 per hour flipping burgers, child goes into criminal enterprise, child is now a young man parties and knocks up a young woman, young man gets arrested robbing a drug store to pay off debt to someone higher up in the criminal enterprise, child born without a father involved.

Finally someone gets down to the actual bottom line and it only took 26 pages.

Everything you just mentioned happens to people of all races. Not just black people. So explain to me why "black people are more likely to commit crimes"

Because it happens to blacks disproportionately. I hypothecize poor education, poverty, the breakdown of the family, the lack of opportunity in the economy, and drugs are the symptoms but I never claimed to know the root cause. I don't know the root cause and I don't believe there is a government solution as everything that has been tried has made it worse. Heck, it is even getting worse under a black president. I don't believe it is because of institutional racism. I believe it is something they have to figure out themselves and I hope that they do.

(03-23-2016 01:37 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-23-2016 07:32 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:40 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:38 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Frankly, I don't give a damn. If they aren't doing drugs they won't get arrested. Dont mouth off to cops and you won't get your ass kicked. It's really not that hard to NOT get arrested or get your ass kicked by a cop. That goes for whites, blacks, browns and yellows alike.

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how about this....like drinking and driving, don't do drugs in public or behind the wheel.....

it's a fair and simple concept....

And yet blacks are still 6 times more likely to go to jail so which on is it? Either we have an unfair system or black people are evil.

No, it means black people are more likely to commit crimes. The reasons why, I hypothocize, include many variables that have been discussed throughout this thread. It is not because they are black. It is not because "black people are evil". It is not a genetic factor. It is simply what it is. I look to poor education, poverty, the breakdown of the family, the lack of opportunity in the economy, and drugs. It is a nasty cycle: child born without a father involved, mom does the best that she can but can't perform all roles and mental illness sets in, school becomes daycare, child comes home and mom is at work making $9 per hour and there is no time or presence to reinforce education at home, child outside of school is under no supervision and gets caught up in a destructive culture and hangs around bad influences, child drops out or graduates and there are no economic opportunities, criminal enterprise makes more money than making $9 per hour flipping burgers, child goes into criminal enterprise, child is now a young man parties and knocks up a young woman, young man gets arrested robbing a drug store to pay off debt to someone higher up in the criminal enterprise, child born without a father involved.

Finally someone gets down to the actual bottom line and it only took 26 pages.

Everything you just mentioned happens to people of all races. Not just black people. So explain to me why "black people are more likely to commit crimes"

Because those things happen to black people at a greater frequency than non-blacks. All things aren't equal as you try to suggest.

Here's the 'born out of wedlock' numbers
Racial or ethnic group
Percent of births considered "non-marital"
Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders 17 percent
Non-Hispanic whites 29 percent
Hispanics 53 percent
American Indian and Native Alaskans 66 percent
Non-Hispanic blacks 73 percent
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...an-americ/

High School graduation by race
Graduation rates vary greatly by state and race. Nationwide, black students graduated at a rate of 69 percent; Hispanics graduated at 73 percent; whites graduated at a rate of 86 percent.
http://www.governing.com/gov-data/educat...icity.html


Thats just two examples that punch holes in your theory. I sure there are others and these aren't meant to be concrete proof of why blacks may be more inclined to commit more crimes. Hell, that even depends on what type of crime we are talking about.

(03-23-2016 02:00 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-23-2016 01:37 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-23-2016 07:32 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:40 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  how about this....like drinking and driving, don't do drugs in public or behind the wheel.....

it's a fair and simple concept....

And yet blacks are still 6 times more likely to go to jail so which on is it? Either we have an unfair system or black people are evil.

No, it means black people are more likely to commit crimes. The reasons why, I hypothocize, include many variables that have been discussed throughout this thread. It is not because they are black. It is not because "black people are evil". It is not a genetic factor. It is simply what it is. I look to poor education, poverty, the breakdown of the family, the lack of opportunity in the economy, and drugs. It is a nasty cycle: child born without a father involved, mom does the best that she can but can't perform all roles and mental illness sets in, school becomes daycare, child comes home and mom is at work making $9 per hour and there is no time or presence to reinforce education at home, child outside of school is under no supervision and gets caught up in a destructive culture and hangs around bad influences, child drops out or graduates and there are no economic opportunities, criminal enterprise makes more money than making $9 per hour flipping burgers, child goes into criminal enterprise, child is now a young man parties and knocks up a young woman, young man gets arrested robbing a drug store to pay off debt to someone higher up in the criminal enterprise, child born without a father involved.

Finally someone gets down to the actual bottom line and it only took 26 pages.

Everything you just mentioned happens to people of all races. Not just black people. So explain to me why "black people are more likely to commit crimes"

Because those things happen to black people at a greater frequency than non-blacks. All things aren't equal as you try to suggest.

Here's the 'born out of wedlock' numbers
Racial or ethnic group
Percent of births considered "non-marital"
Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders 17 percent
Non-Hispanic whites 29 percent
Hispanics 53 percent
American Indian and Native Alaskans 66 percent
Non-Hispanic blacks 73 percent
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...an-americ/

High School graduation by race
Graduation rates vary greatly by state and race. Nationwide, black students graduated at a rate of 69 percent; Hispanics graduated at 73 percent; whites graduated at a rate of 86 percent.
http://www.governing.com/gov-data/educat...icity.html


Thats just two examples that punch holes in your theory. I sure there are others and these aren't meant to be concrete proof of why blacks may be more inclined to commit more crimes. Hell, that even depends on what type of crime we are talking about.

the civil war to civil rights to today....is nothing more than widening the gap that is cultural imbalance...there are some of all colors that will always sit on the porch....

the culprit is decades of failed policy and the residual effect.....

hell, one could point to the privatization of prison construction in tandem with drug conviction policies....

pinning it down on a single line item is just silly talk....fit only sees color...

the bottom line is that some of all races will fail....the less fatter the wallet, the better the chance of incarceration.... just another 'welcome to hell on the third rock' scenario.....it's called "life"

Everyone I have known that's been incarcerated have been bad dudes that have earned it. I don't know anyone that has been incarcerated for smoking weed, aside from spending the night of the bust in a holding cell.

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(03-24-2016 05:14 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Everyone I have known that's been incarcerated have been bad dudes that have earned it. I don't know anyone that has been incarcerated for smoking weed, aside from spending the night of the bust in a holding cell.

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there are tons serving sentences for petty bs.....wake up dude....

just 'b/c you don't know them' is the part of the problem....

many of yaz live in a cave regarding the 'why'.....

(03-23-2016 01:37 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-23-2016 07:32 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:40 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:38 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Frankly, I don't give a damn. If they aren't doing drugs they won't get arrested. Dont mouth off to cops and you won't get your ass kicked. It's really not that hard to NOT get arrested or get your ass kicked by a cop. That goes for whites, blacks, browns and yellows alike.

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how about this....like drinking and driving, don't do drugs in public or behind the wheel.....

it's a fair and simple concept....

And yet blacks are still 6 times more likely to go to jail so which on is it? Either we have an unfair system or black people are evil.

No, it means black people are more likely to commit crimes. The reasons why, I hypothocize, include many variables that have been discussed throughout this thread. It is not because they are black. It is not because "black people are evil". It is not a genetic factor. It is simply what it is. I look to poor education, poverty, the breakdown of the family, the lack of opportunity in the economy, and drugs. It is a nasty cycle: child born without a father involved, mom does the best that she can but can't perform all roles and mental illness sets in, school becomes daycare, child comes home and mom is at work making $9 per hour and there is no time or presence to reinforce education at home, child outside of school is under no supervision and gets caught up in a destructive culture and hangs around bad influences, child drops out or graduates and there are no economic opportunities, criminal enterprise makes more money than making $9 per hour flipping burgers, child goes into criminal enterprise, child is now a young man parties and knocks up a young woman, young man gets arrested robbing a drug store to pay off debt to someone higher up in the criminal enterprise, child born without a father involved.

Finally someone gets down to the actual bottom line and it only took 26 pages.

Everything you just mentioned happens to people of all races. Not just black people. So explain to me why "black people are more likely to commit crimes"

To go along with Ever's explanation - if you look at where cops patrol and spend their time......... area's of higher call-ins for crimes being committed will logically be patrolled more and have a higher police presence.

A higher police presence increases the likelihood of the police seeing and catching folks doing illegal stuff. Is there a police presence in the suburbs - yes, but certainly not to the degree it's in an inner city "bad" area.

Do you think cops want to spend all their time in a "bad" area - hell, no - but the call-ins reporting illegal activities is far greater in the bad areas - so that's where the police are.

In a backwoods rural area, if you're careful at all - you can do and get away with damn near anything you want so long as you don't mess with someone else's stuff.

That's one example of "why the disparity of drug offenses"

(03-24-2016 08:54 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(03-23-2016 01:37 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-23-2016 07:32 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:40 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  how about this....like drinking and driving, don't do drugs in public or behind the wheel.....

it's a fair and simple concept....

And yet blacks are still 6 times more likely to go to jail so which on is it? Either we have an unfair system or black people are evil.

No, it means black people are more likely to commit crimes. The reasons why, I hypothocize, include many variables that have been discussed throughout this thread. It is not because they are black. It is not because "black people are evil". It is not a genetic factor. It is simply what it is. I look to poor education, poverty, the breakdown of the family, the lack of opportunity in the economy, and drugs. It is a nasty cycle: child born without a father involved, mom does the best that she can but can't perform all roles and mental illness sets in, school becomes daycare, child comes home and mom is at work making $9 per hour and there is no time or presence to reinforce education at home, child outside of school is under no supervision and gets caught up in a destructive culture and hangs around bad influences, child drops out or graduates and there are no economic opportunities, criminal enterprise makes more money than making $9 per hour flipping burgers, child goes into criminal enterprise, child is now a young man parties and knocks up a young woman, young man gets arrested robbing a drug store to pay off debt to someone higher up in the criminal enterprise, child born without a father involved.

Finally someone gets down to the actual bottom line and it only took 26 pages.

Everything you just mentioned happens to people of all races. Not just black people. So explain to me why "black people are more likely to commit crimes"

To go along with Ever's explanation - if you look at where cops patrol and spend their time......... area's of higher call-ins for crimes being committed will logically be patrolled more and have a higher police presence.

A higher police presence increases the likelihood of the police seeing and catching folks doing illegal stuff. Is there a police presence in the suburbs - yes, but certainly not to the degree it's in an inner city "bad" area.

Do you think cops want to spend all their time in a "bad" area - hell, no - but the call-ins reporting illegal activities is far greater in the bad areas - so that's where the police are.

In a backwoods rural area, if you're careful at all - you can do and get away with damn near anything you want so long as you don't mess with someone else's stuff.

That's one example of "why the disparity of drug offenses"

or the fact that "drug offenses" laws exist.....thank nixon for that.....

but, yes....I completely agree with 'that' as causality....

(03-24-2016 08:54 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(03-23-2016 01:37 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-23-2016 07:32 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:40 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  how about this....like drinking and driving, don't do drugs in public or behind the wheel.....

it's a fair and simple concept....

And yet blacks are still 6 times more likely to go to jail so which on is it? Either we have an unfair system or black people are evil.

No, it means black people are more likely to commit crimes. The reasons why, I hypothocize, include many variables that have been discussed throughout this thread. It is not because they are black. It is not because "black people are evil". It is not a genetic factor. It is simply what it is. I look to poor education, poverty, the breakdown of the family, the lack of opportunity in the economy, and drugs. It is a nasty cycle: child born without a father involved, mom does the best that she can but can't perform all roles and mental illness sets in, school becomes daycare, child comes home and mom is at work making $9 per hour and there is no time or presence to reinforce education at home, child outside of school is under no supervision and gets caught up in a destructive culture and hangs around bad influences, child drops out or graduates and there are no economic opportunities, criminal enterprise makes more money than making $9 per hour flipping burgers, child goes into criminal enterprise, child is now a young man parties and knocks up a young woman, young man gets arrested robbing a drug store to pay off debt to someone higher up in the criminal enterprise, child born without a father involved.

Finally someone gets down to the actual bottom line and it only took 26 pages.

Everything you just mentioned happens to people of all races. Not just black people. So explain to me why "black people are more likely to commit crimes"

To go along with Ever's explanation - if you look at where cops patrol and spend their time......... area's of higher call-ins for crimes being committed will logically be patrolled more and have a higher police presence.

A higher police presence increases the likelihood of the police seeing and catching folks doing illegal stuff. Is there a police presence in the suburbs - yes, but certainly not to the degree it's in an inner city "bad" area.

Do you think cops want to spend all their time in a "bad" area - hell, no - but the call-ins reporting illegal activities is far greater in the bad areas - so that's where the police are.

In a backwoods rural area, if you're careful at all - you can do and get away with damn near anything you want so long as you don't mess with someone else's stuff.

That's one example of "why the disparity of drug offenses"

Absolutely correct. There is about a 0% chance I would ever get busted with weed. Why? Because when I get it (in DC where it is legal), I put it in my trunk and give no probable cause to search on the way home. When I get home with it, it never leaves the house again.

(03-24-2016 09:03 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-24-2016 08:54 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(03-23-2016 01:37 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-23-2016 07:32 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  And yet blacks are still 6 times more likely to go to jail so which on is it? Either we have an unfair system or black people are evil.

No, it means black people are more likely to commit crimes. The reasons why, I hypothocize, include many variables that have been discussed throughout this thread. It is not because they are black. It is not because "black people are evil". It is not a genetic factor. It is simply what it is. I look to poor education, poverty, the breakdown of the family, the lack of opportunity in the economy, and drugs. It is a nasty cycle: child born without a father involved, mom does the best that she can but can't perform all roles and mental illness sets in, school becomes daycare, child comes home and mom is at work making $9 per hour and there is no time or presence to reinforce education at home, child outside of school is under no supervision and gets caught up in a destructive culture and hangs around bad influences, child drops out or graduates and there are no economic opportunities, criminal enterprise makes more money than making $9 per hour flipping burgers, child goes into criminal enterprise, child is now a young man parties and knocks up a young woman, young man gets arrested robbing a drug store to pay off debt to someone higher up in the criminal enterprise, child born without a father involved.

Finally someone gets down to the actual bottom line and it only took 26 pages.

Everything you just mentioned happens to people of all races. Not just black people. So explain to me why "black people are more likely to commit crimes"

To go along with Ever's explanation - if you look at where cops patrol and spend their time......... area's of higher call-ins for crimes being committed will logically be patrolled more and have a higher police presence.

A higher police presence increases the likelihood of the police seeing and catching folks doing illegal stuff. Is there a police presence in the suburbs - yes, but certainly not to the degree it's in an inner city "bad" area.

Do you think cops want to spend all their time in a "bad" area - hell, no - but the call-ins reporting illegal activities is far greater in the bad areas - so that's where the police are.

In a backwoods rural area, if you're careful at all - you can do and get away with damn near anything you want so long as you don't mess with someone else's stuff.

That's one example of "why the disparity of drug offenses"

Absolutely correct. There is about a 0% chance I would ever get busted with weed. Why? Because when I get it (in DC where it is legal), I put it in my trunk and give no probable cause to search on the way home. When I get home with it, it never leaves the house again.

attaboy! I only have it 'delivered'.....

my rule of thumb is, "never travel"

(03-24-2016 09:02 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-24-2016 08:54 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(03-23-2016 01:37 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-23-2016 07:32 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  And yet blacks are still 6 times more likely to go to jail so which on is it? Either we have an unfair system or black people are evil.

No, it means black people are more likely to commit crimes. The reasons why, I hypothocize, include many variables that have been discussed throughout this thread. It is not because they are black. It is not because "black people are evil". It is not a genetic factor. It is simply what it is. I look to poor education, poverty, the breakdown of the family, the lack of opportunity in the economy, and drugs. It is a nasty cycle: child born without a father involved, mom does the best that she can but can't perform all roles and mental illness sets in, school becomes daycare, child comes home and mom is at work making $9 per hour and there is no time or presence to reinforce education at home, child outside of school is under no supervision and gets caught up in a destructive culture and hangs around bad influences, child drops out or graduates and there are no economic opportunities, criminal enterprise makes more money than making $9 per hour flipping burgers, child goes into criminal enterprise, child is now a young man parties and knocks up a young woman, young man gets arrested robbing a drug store to pay off debt to someone higher up in the criminal enterprise, child born without a father involved.

Finally someone gets down to the actual bottom line and it only took 26 pages.

Everything you just mentioned happens to people of all races. Not just black people. So explain to me why "black people are more likely to commit crimes"

To go along with Ever's explanation - if you look at where cops patrol and spend their time......... area's of higher call-ins for crimes being committed will logically be patrolled more and have a higher police presence.

A higher police presence increases the likelihood of the police seeing and catching folks doing illegal stuff. Is there a police presence in the suburbs - yes, but certainly not to the degree it's in an inner city "bad" area.

Do you think cops want to spend all their time in a "bad" area - hell, no - but the call-ins reporting illegal activities is far greater in the bad areas - so that's where the police are.

In a backwoods rural area, if you're careful at all - you can do and get away with damn near anything you want so long as you don't mess with someone else's stuff.

That's one example of "why the disparity of drug offenses"

or the fact that "drug offenses" laws exist.....thank nixon for that.....

but, yes....I completely agree with 'that' as causality....

Drugs were legal before Nixon?

I honestly think Reagan had more of an impact than Nixon. Of course, he was president during the crack epidemic that destroyed inner cities across the country as well as during the cocaine cowboys that turned Miami into the the murder capital of the US for a period. People forget how bad it can get when it is uncontained.

(03-24-2016 09:07 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-24-2016 09:02 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-24-2016 08:54 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(03-23-2016 01:37 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-23-2016 07:32 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  No, it means black people are more likely to commit crimes. The reasons why, I hypothocize, include many variables that have been discussed throughout this thread. It is not because they are black. It is not because "black people are evil". It is not a genetic factor. It is simply what it is. I look to poor education, poverty, the breakdown of the family, the lack of opportunity in the economy, and drugs. It is a nasty cycle: child born without a father involved, mom does the best that she can but can't perform all roles and mental illness sets in, school becomes daycare, child comes home and mom is at work making $9 per hour and there is no time or presence to reinforce education at home, child outside of school is under no supervision and gets caught up in a destructive culture and hangs around bad influences, child drops out or graduates and there are no economic opportunities, criminal enterprise makes more money than making $9 per hour flipping burgers, child goes into criminal enterprise, child is now a young man parties and knocks up a young woman, young man gets arrested robbing a drug store to pay off debt to someone higher up in the criminal enterprise, child born without a father involved.

Finally someone gets down to the actual bottom line and it only took 26 pages.

Everything you just mentioned happens to people of all races. Not just black people. So explain to me why "black people are more likely to commit crimes"

To go along with Ever's explanation - if you look at where cops patrol and spend their time......... area's of higher call-ins for crimes being committed will logically be patrolled more and have a higher police presence.

A higher police presence increases the likelihood of the police seeing and catching folks doing illegal stuff. Is there a police presence in the suburbs - yes, but certainly not to the degree it's in an inner city "bad" area.

Do you think cops want to spend all their time in a "bad" area - hell, no - but the call-ins reporting illegal activities is far greater in the bad areas - so that's where the police are.

In a backwoods rural area, if you're careful at all - you can do and get away with damn near anything you want so long as you don't mess with someone else's stuff.

That's one example of "why the disparity of drug offenses"

or the fact that "drug offenses" laws exist.....thank nixon for that.....

but, yes....I completely agree with 'that' as causality....

Drugs were legal before Nixon?

I honestly think Reagan had more of an impact than Nixon. Of course, he was president during the crack epidemic that destroyed inner cities across the country as well as during the cocaine cowboys that turned Miami into the the murder capital of the US for a period. People forget how bad it can get when it is uncontained.

nope....it was nixon that escalated the battle and started the "war on drugs"

you only remember reagan.....then g dub came with "we'll build more prisons"

crack didn't destroy anything....crack is just another 'they' will always do...

think about meth....

it's a widely regarded fact that those with money are less likely to 'use'

this is simple shite....and it's the planning from religious right that has been complete fail....the blue is 'only' b/c of the lonely....

hence, Trump.....

(03-24-2016 08:54 AM)Crebman Wrote:  Do you think cops want to spend all their time in a "bad" area - hell, no - but the call-ins reporting illegal activities is far greater in the bad areas - so that's where the police are.

In a backwoods rural area, if you're careful at all - you can do and get away with damn near anything you want so long as you don't mess with someone else's stuff.

That's one example of "why the disparity of drug offenses"

Expanding on this. By and large, poor blacks tend to congregate in densely populated urban settings while poor whites tend to congregate in rural settings. The stereotypes of the black family in the 'projects' and the white family in the trailer park are stereotypes for a reason. Certainly not categorically true, but 'by and large'. It is far easier (both physically and financially) to patrol an urban setting (in no small part but because you have a tax base beyond the 'projects' to fund the police) but the rural setting generally doesn't. Far easier to patrol 100 people living in an apartment complex than 100 people living in trailers in the woods.

Sorry, but you are wrong. And this has nothing to do with Trump. He hasn't weighed on on any of this. Not even a dog whistle.



As far as the war on drugs, yes, Nixon launched it, but didn't increase spending. Carter increased it modestly. Reagan spending skyrocketed, as did Clinton (can't blame the religious right on Clinton). It was actually flat under GWB.

(03-24-2016 09:38 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-24-2016 08:54 AM)Crebman Wrote:  Do you think cops want to spend all their time in a "bad" area - hell, no - but the call-ins reporting illegal activities is far greater in the bad areas - so that's where the police are.

In a backwoods rural area, if you're careful at all - you can do and get away with damn near anything you want so long as you don't mess with someone else's stuff.

That's one example of "why the disparity of drug offenses"

Expanding on this. By and large, poor blacks tend to congregate in densely populated urban settings while poor whites tend to congregate in rural settings. The stereotypes of the black family in the 'projects' and the white family in the trailer park are stereotypes for a reason. Certainly not categorically true, but 'by and large'. It is far easier (both physically and financially) to patrol an urban setting (in no small part but because you have a tax base beyond the 'projects' to fund the police) but the rural setting generally doesn't. Far easier to patrol 100 people living in an apartment complex than 100 people living in trailers in the woods.

perfectly stated (if there is such)

It's common knowledge that under the Reagan administration, cocaine was allowed to be send to the United States and sold in the inner cities in order to fund the Contras in South America.

This was the impact.

Using an index that combined indicators like crack cocaine related deaths and medical emergencies, arrests and seizures, and media coverage, researchers Steven Levitt and Kevin M Murphy found that the drug's worst impact was on the Northeastern and South Atlantic States, headed by New York and Maryland. 70% of the impact of crack was felt in large cities, and the rates per capita were 10 times higher in larger cities than in the rest of the nation. During the time period studied, cities with the worst crack problems were Newark, Philadelphia, New York, Oakland, Boston, San Francisco, and Seattle. Other cities that rank high include New Orleans, Baltimore, Washington, D.C., and Los Angeles.[18]

Crime[edit]
Between 1984 and 1989, the homicide rate for black males aged 14 to 17 more than doubled, and the homicide rate for black males aged 18 to 24 increased nearly as much. During this period, the black community also experienced a 20%–100% increase in fetal death rates, low birth-weight babies, weapons arrests, and the number of children in foster care.[19] In 1996, approximately 60% of inmates incarcerated in the US were sentenced on drug charges. The United States remains the largest overall consumer of narcotics in the world as of 2014.[18][20]

(03-24-2016 09:43 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Sorry, but you are wrong. And this has nothing to do with Trump. He hasn't weighed on on any of this. Not even a dog whistle.



As far as the war on drugs, yes, Nixon launched it, but didn't increase spending. Carter increased it modestly. Reagan spending skyrocketed, as did Clinton (can't blame the religious right on Clinton). It was actually flat under GWB.

statistics are only a resultant of cause/effect....

please explain how anyone other than status quo AND is electible has offered another solution

the progression to solving is a sticky one....

(03-24-2016 10:17 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-24-2016 09:43 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Sorry, but you are wrong. And this has nothing to do with Trump. He hasn't weighed on on any of this. Not even a dog whistle.



As far as the war on drugs, yes, Nixon launched it, but didn't increase spending. Carter increased it modestly. Reagan spending skyrocketed, as did Clinton (can't blame the religious right on Clinton). It was actually flat under GWB.

statistics are only a resultant of cause/effect....

please explain how anyone other than status quo AND is electible has offered another solution

the progression to solving is a sticky one....

As I have said on this thread numerous times, I don't think there is a government solution. The only one offering one is Bernie and his solution is simply to empty the prisons. The problem is, if you do that, crime will skyrocket and it will eventually result in another crackdown because the people will demand it. While incareration is a problem, the rise of it has resulted in a decline in crime and most people that are incarcerated, by far and away, deserve to be. Until we start producing citizens that don't deserve to be in prison at a high per capita rate, you basically get one or the other, incarceration or high crime. As far as the federal government is concerned, other than smuggling and crossing state lines, it isn't really their issue anyway. Those people are going to prison no matter who is in office or what party controls congress. As far as Tyrone getting prison time in Baltimore for simple possession of a crack pipe, you are complaining about the wrong level of government.

(03-24-2016 10:46 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-24-2016 10:17 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-24-2016 09:43 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Sorry, but you are wrong. And this has nothing to do with Trump. He hasn't weighed on on any of this. Not even a dog whistle.



As far as the war on drugs, yes, Nixon launched it, but didn't increase spending. Carter increased it modestly. Reagan spending skyrocketed, as did Clinton (can't blame the religious right on Clinton). It was actually flat under GWB.

statistics are only a resultant of cause/effect....

please explain how anyone other than status quo AND is electible has offered another solution

the progression to solving is a sticky one....

As I have said on this thread numerous times, I don't think there is a government solution. The only one offering one is Bernie and his solution is simply to empty the prisons. The problem is, if you do that, crime will skyrocket and it will eventually result in another crackdown because the people will demand it. While incareration is a problem, the rise of it has resulted in a decline in crime and most people that are incarcerated, by far and away, deserve to be. Until we start producing citizens that don't deserve to be in prison at a high per capita rate, you basically get one or the other, incarceration or high crime. As far as the federal government is concerned, other than smuggling and crossing state lines, it isn't really their issue anyway. Those people are going to prison no matter who is in office or what party controls congress. As far as Tyrone getting prison time in Baltimore for simple possession of a crack pipe, you are complaining about the wrong level of government.

The real problem is a loss of morality in our communities. People complain about the numbers of prisoners but if they do the crime, well they have to do the time.

(03-24-2016 10:15 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  It's common knowledge that under the Reagan administration, cocaine was allowed to be send to the United States and sold in the inner cities in order to fund the Contras in South America.

This was the impact.

Using an index that combined indicators like crack cocaine related deaths and medical emergencies, arrests and seizures, and media coverage, researchers Steven Levitt and Kevin M Murphy found that the drug's worst impact was on the Northeastern and South Atlantic States, headed by New York and Maryland. 70% of the impact of crack was felt in large cities, and the rates per capita were 10 times higher in larger cities than in the rest of the nation. During the time period studied, cities with the worst crack problems were Newark, Philadelphia, New York, Oakland, Boston, San Francisco, and Seattle. Other cities that rank high include New Orleans, Baltimore, Washington, D.C., and Los Angeles.[18]

Crime[edit]
Between 1984 and 1989, the homicide rate for black males aged 14 to 17 more than doubled, and the homicide rate for black males aged 18 to 24 increased nearly as much. During this period, the black community also experienced a 20%–100% increase in fetal death rates, low birth-weight babies, weapons arrests, and the number of children in foster care.[19] In 1996, approximately 60% of inmates incarcerated in the US were sentenced on drug charges. The United States remains the largest overall consumer of narcotics in the world as of 2014.[18][20]

Well, I see fit derailing and changing the conversation once again after several people trying to explain some reasons for higher black arrests. No rebuttal, no further questions, no but, but, but - just another move the goalposts .......................................

Reagan funneled cocaine to inner city blacks to pay for Contras??????

(03-24-2016 11:14 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(03-24-2016 10:15 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  It's common knowledge that under the Reagan administration, cocaine was allowed to be send to the United States and sold in the inner cities in order to fund the Contras in South America.

This was the impact.

Using an index that combined indicators like crack cocaine related deaths and medical emergencies, arrests and seizures, and media coverage, researchers Steven Levitt and Kevin M Murphy found that the drug's worst impact was on the Northeastern and South Atlantic States, headed by New York and Maryland. 70% of the impact of crack was felt in large cities, and the rates per capita were 10 times higher in larger cities than in the rest of the nation. During the time period studied, cities with the worst crack problems were Newark, Philadelphia, New York, Oakland, Boston, San Francisco, and Seattle. Other cities that rank high include New Orleans, Baltimore, Washington, D.C., and Los Angeles.[18]

Crime[edit]
Between 1984 and 1989, the homicide rate for black males aged 14 to 17 more than doubled, and the homicide rate for black males aged 18 to 24 increased nearly as much. During this period, the black community also experienced a 20%–100% increase in fetal death rates, low birth-weight babies, weapons arrests, and the number of children in foster care.[19] In 1996, approximately 60% of inmates incarcerated in the US were sentenced on drug charges. The United States remains the largest overall consumer of narcotics in the world as of 2014.[18][20]

Well, I see fit derailing and changing the conversation once again after several people trying to explain some reasons for higher black arrests. No rebuttal, no further questions, no but, but, but - just another move the goalposts .......................................

Reagan funneled cocaine to inner city blacks to pay for Contras??????

I've given you the reason for higher crime rates. You are just in denial.