(03-22-2016 09:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:31 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:30 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:29 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  That would be one factor considering we incarcerate blacks at 6x's the rate of whites.

But if blacks are committing the crimes at 6x the rates, then what?

Are they? Or are they just convicted more often?

You seem to have the answers and the numbers.

It's a proven fact specifically with drug convictions.

Don't do drugs then.

(03-22-2016 09:33 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:31 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:30 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:29 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  But if blacks are committing the crimes at 6x the rates, then what?

Are they? Or are they just convicted more often?

You seem to have the answers and the numbers.

It's a proven fact specifically with drug convictions.

Don't do drugs then.

Especially if your black because you will go to jail more often than if you're white.

(03-22-2016 09:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:31 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:30 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:29 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  That would be one factor considering we incarcerate blacks at 6x's the rate of whites.

But if blacks are committing the crimes at 6x the rates, then what?

Are they? Or are they just convicted more often?

You seem to have the answers and the numbers.

It's a proven fact specifically with drug convictions.

Just say no. Pretty simple way to not get busted for drug use.

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(03-22-2016 09:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:33 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:31 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:30 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Are they? Or are they just convicted more often?

You seem to have the answers and the numbers.

It's a proven fact specifically with drug convictions.

Don't do drugs then.

Especially if your black because you will go to jail more often than if you're white.

Frankly, I don't give a damn. If they aren't doing drugs they won't get arrested. Dont mouth off to cops and you won't get your ass kicked. It's really not that hard to NOT get arrested or get your ass kicked by a cop. That goes for whites, blacks, browns and yellows alike.

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(03-22-2016 09:38 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:33 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:31 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  You seem to have the answers and the numbers.

It's a proven fact specifically with drug convictions.

Don't do drugs then.

Especially if your black because you will go to jail more often than if you're white.

Frankly, I don't give a damn. If they aren't doing drugs they won't get arrested. Dont mouth off to cops and you won't get your ass kicked. It's really not that hard to NOT get arrested or get your ass kicked by a cop. That goes for whites, blacks, browns and yellows alike.

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how about this....like drinking and driving, don't do drugs in public or behind the wheel.....

it's a fair and simple concept....

(03-22-2016 09:40 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:38 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:33 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  It's a proven fact specifically with drug convictions.

Don't do drugs then.

Especially if your black because you will go to jail more often than if you're white.

Frankly, I don't give a damn. If they aren't doing drugs they won't get arrested. Dont mouth off to cops and you won't get your ass kicked. It's really not that hard to NOT get arrested or get your ass kicked by a cop. That goes for whites, blacks, browns and yellows alike.

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how about this....like drinking and driving, don't do drugs in public or behind the wheel.....

it's a fair and simple concept....

And yet blacks are still 6 times more likely to go to jail so which on is it? Either we have an unfair system or black people are evil.

(03-22-2016 09:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:40 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:38 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:33 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Don't do drugs then.

Especially if your black because you will go to jail more often than if you're white.

Frankly, I don't give a damn. If they aren't doing drugs they won't get arrested. Dont mouth off to cops and you won't get your ass kicked. It's really not that hard to NOT get arrested or get your ass kicked by a cop. That goes for whites, blacks, browns and yellows alike.

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how about this....like drinking and driving, don't do drugs in public or behind the wheel.....

it's a fair and simple concept....

And yet blacks are still 6 times more likely to go to jail so which on is it? Either we have an unfair system or black people are evil.

maybe b/c they drive to deliver or spank it behind the wheel....call me crazy on that premise....

edit: eyes gonna learn ya one day sonny ;O

(03-22-2016 08:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 08:36 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 05:46 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 05:42 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 02:59 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Please pay attention. The problem with charter schools is that they don't have to take everyone. For this reason, they are allowed to discriminate. Since we live in a country that has a very dark history in racism, it is more susceptible to the practice.

What 'major' country doesn't have a dark history of racism/nationalism/segregation/discrimination etc.

Many animals are guilty of this same sort of thing as well

Fit has demonstrated the exact reason why we will never be able to move beyond the darkest part of our history. People will continue to use it for their own gain, whether political, or monetary.

What was does not necessarily dictate what is or is to come in this case.

that ol' boy doesn't understand how much he contributes to all the problems that currently exists....edit: <sic for plurality>

hence, the problem....

You can't make slaves of people for over 250 years and then expect them to forget about it. Actions have consequences.

Who's done that? Source, please.

Other than perhaps the Dutch, Spanish, Portuguese, Brits, Sub-Saharan (?) Africans and vast expanses of South and Central America, amongst others? Dutch West Indies, Jamaica and elsewhere.

Kindly put up or shut up. Your pathetic trolling is older than dirt and your reprehensible understanding of "History of the world" part I, is even worse.

God help those poor kids if you are actually in administration.

And some continue to wonder "What's wrong with our educational system..."

(03-22-2016 09:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:24 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:23 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:20 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 08:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  You can't make slaves of people for over 250 years and then expect them to forget about it. Actions have consequences.

No current American has been a slave.

My English ancestors were attacked and pillaged by Vikings. Maybe one of my Italian or Ukrainian ancestors were captured by Islamic slave traders. None of those situations would justify my misbehavior in school. I wasn't pillaged or captured. All those people are doing is abusing their ancestors' pain for their own gain.

No one is justifying bad behavior. They are questioning why charter schools believe blacks have more of it.

I answered that a few pages ago. It is the breakdown of the nuclear family.

That would be one factor considering we incarcerate blacks at 6x's the rate of whites.

Do you understand what "born out of wedlock means"

(03-22-2016 08:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 08:36 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 05:46 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 05:42 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 02:59 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Please pay attention. The problem with charter schools is that they don't have to take everyone. For this reason, they are allowed to discriminate. Since we live in a country that has a very dark history in racism, it is more susceptible to the practice.

What 'major' country doesn't have a dark history of racism/nationalism/segregation/discrimination etc.

Many animals are guilty of this same sort of thing as well

Fit has demonstrated the exact reason why we will never be able to move beyond the darkest part of our history. People will continue to use it for their own gain, whether political, or monetary.

What was does not necessarily dictate what is or is to come in this case.

that ol' boy doesn't understand how much he contributes to all the problems that currently exists....edit: <sic for plurality>

hence, the problem....

You can't make slaves of people for over 250 years and then expect them to forget about it. Actions have consequences.

4 of the top 10 students at my local public HS were were black kids. Please explain how these 4 children managed to overcome the discrimination you claim is so rampant. I know the answer. I wonder if you do?

(03-22-2016 09:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:40 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:38 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:33 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Don't do drugs then.

Especially if your black because you will go to jail more often than if you're white.

Frankly, I don't give a damn. If they aren't doing drugs they won't get arrested. Dont mouth off to cops and you won't get your ass kicked. It's really not that hard to NOT get arrested or get your ass kicked by a cop. That goes for whites, blacks, browns and yellows alike.

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how about this....like drinking and driving, don't do drugs in public or behind the wheel.....

it's a fair and simple concept....

And yet blacks are still 6 times more likely to go to jail so which on is it? Either we have an unfair system or black people are evil.

No, it means black people are more likely to commit crimes. The reasons why, I hypothocize, include many variables that have been discussed throughout this thread. It is not because they are black. It is not because "black people are evil". It is not a genetic factor. It is simply what it is. I look to poor education, poverty, the breakdown of the family, the lack of opportunity in the economy, and drugs. It is a nasty cycle: child born without a father involved, mom does the best that she can but can't perform all roles and mental illness sets in, school becomes daycare, child comes home and mom is at work making $9 per hour and there is no time or presence to reinforce education at home, child outside of school is under no supervision and gets caught up in a destructive culture and hangs around bad influences, child drops out or graduates and there are no economic opportunities, criminal enterprise makes more money than making $9 per hour flipping burgers, child goes into criminal enterprise, child is now a young man parties and knocks up a young woman, young man gets arrested robbing a drug store to pay off debt to someone higher up in the criminal enterprise, child born without a father involved.

(03-22-2016 09:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:33 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:31 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:30 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Are they? Or are they just convicted more often?

You seem to have the answers and the numbers.

It's a proven fact specifically with drug convictions.

Don't do drugs then.

Especially if your black because you will go to jail more often than if you're white.

A significant percentage of black-on-black shootings are drug related. Not many Wall Streeters doing coke kill each other.

(03-23-2016 07:55 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:33 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:31 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  You seem to have the answers and the numbers.

It's a proven fact specifically with drug convictions.

Don't do drugs then.

Especially if your black because you will go to jail more often than if you're white.

A significant percentage of black-on-black shootings are drug related. Not many Wall Streeters doing coke kill each other.

if that's the case, then why not legalize?

if the cost of incarceration costs more than the residual effect, then why not legalize?

if generations have been lost and one is unwilling to let go of allowing some to gravitate to defending themselves, then why not legalize?

the hard line red position has brought this upon itself.....

(03-23-2016 07:32 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:40 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:38 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Especially if your black because you will go to jail more often than if you're white.

Frankly, I don't give a damn. If they aren't doing drugs they won't get arrested. Dont mouth off to cops and you won't get your ass kicked. It's really not that hard to NOT get arrested or get your ass kicked by a cop. That goes for whites, blacks, browns and yellows alike.

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how about this....like drinking and driving, don't do drugs in public or behind the wheel.....

it's a fair and simple concept....

And yet blacks are still 6 times more likely to go to jail so which on is it? Either we have an unfair system or black people are evil.

No, it means black people are more likely to commit crimes. The reasons why, I hypothocize, include many variables that have been discussed throughout this thread. It is not because they are black. It is not because "black people are evil". It is not a genetic factor. It is simply what it is. I look to poor education, poverty, the breakdown of the family, the lack of opportunity in the economy, and drugs. It is a nasty cycle: child born without a father involved, mom does the best that she can but can't perform all roles and mental illness sets in, school becomes daycare, child comes home and mom is at work making $9 per hour and there is no time or presence to reinforce education at home, child outside of school is under no supervision and gets caught up in a destructive culture and hangs around bad influences, child drops out or graduates and there are no economic opportunities, criminal enterprise makes more money than making $9 per hour flipping burgers, child goes into criminal enterprise, child is now a young man parties and knocks up a young woman, young man gets arrested robbing a drug store to pay off debt to someone higher up in the criminal enterprise, child born without a father involved.

Here is a classic example of the ridiculous crap some pull off without harming anyone physically but just Stupid just the same

http://www.wdrb.com/story/31540854/femal...uor-stores

Love the end of article
They've also put the suspects' pictures in the window. Spinks said one of them has returned since.

"I went out and showed her the picture and she denied it was her and, you know, claimed that it was a twin. And I said, well, your twin has the same handbag you've got."

(03-23-2016 08:01 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-23-2016 07:55 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:33 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  It's a proven fact specifically with drug convictions.

Don't do drugs then.

Especially if your black because you will go to jail more often than if you're white.

A significant percentage of black-on-black shootings are drug related. Not many Wall Streeters doing coke kill each other.

if that's the case, then why not legalize?

if the cost of incarceration costs more than the residual effect, then why not legalize?

if generations have been lost and one is unwilling to let go of allowing some to gravitate to defending themselves, then why not legalize?

the hard line red position has brought this upon itself.....

You can't legalize all drugs. Marijuana, fine. Cocaine, maybe. But legalizing drugs like heroin, PCP, meth, and acid would cause a lot more grave social problems than incarceration.

(03-23-2016 08:32 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-23-2016 08:01 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-23-2016 07:55 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:33 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Don't do drugs then.

Especially if your black because you will go to jail more often than if you're white.

A significant percentage of black-on-black shootings are drug related. Not many Wall Streeters doing coke kill each other.

if that's the case, then why not legalize?

if the cost of incarceration costs more than the residual effect, then why not legalize?

if generations have been lost and one is unwilling to let go of allowing some to gravitate to defending themselves, then why not legalize?

the hard line red position has brought this upon itself.....

You can't legalize all drugs. Marijuana, fine. Cocaine, maybe. But legalizing drugs like heroin, PCP, meth, and acid would cause a lot more grave social problems than incarceration.

or one could educate with graphic videos why not.....

trust me....weed is nothing....coke is nothing....nicotine and alcohol are the achilles heel...that fact that advertising liquor now and cigs are more prolific in movies is more disturbing than legalizing 'all' combined.....

people aren't educated about the effects and progression due to previous policy from the god fearers....

you fear mongers really don't understand how to fight thingys.....

oh wellzy....

(03-23-2016 08:40 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-23-2016 08:32 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-23-2016 08:01 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-23-2016 07:55 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Especially if your black because you will go to jail more often than if you're white.

A significant percentage of black-on-black shootings are drug related. Not many Wall Streeters doing coke kill each other.

if that's the case, then why not legalize?

if the cost of incarceration costs more than the residual effect, then why not legalize?

if generations have been lost and one is unwilling to let go of allowing some to gravitate to defending themselves, then why not legalize?

the hard line red position has brought this upon itself.....

You can't legalize all drugs. Marijuana, fine. Cocaine, maybe. But legalizing drugs like heroin, PCP, meth, and acid would cause a lot more grave social problems than incarceration.

or one could educate with graphic videos why not.....

trust me....weed is nothing....coke is nothing....nicotine and alcohol are the achilles heel...that fact that advertising liquor now and cigs are more prolific in movies is more disturbing than legalizing 'all' combined.....

people aren't educated about the effects and progression due to previous policy from the god fearers....

you fear mongers really don't understand how to fight thingys.....

oh wellzy....

Weed is nothing, agree.

Coke is nothing for most people, but for those with paranoia, mental illness or prone to violence, it magnifies it. I could see allowing it medicinally or maybe behind the counter in limited quantities, but you don't want a bunch of people getting addicted to it.

Heroin literally destroys civilization... backed up by history (see the opium wars) and should not be allowed in this country ever.

Hallucinigens like acid and PCP cause people to crazy and lash out and users are a danger to everyone around them.

Cigs are not mind altering and affect nobody but the user. They should remain legal.

Alcohol certainly causes a lot of problems, but it is a social norm across the world and ingrained. It is also very easy to make and isn't going anywhere.

(03-22-2016 08:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  You can't make slaves of people for over 250 years and then expect them to forget about it. Actions have consequences.

Odd that there have been slaved for more than a thousand years, and for far longer than we've even existed in some places, yet the stigma you describe doesn't exist elsewhere... at least to the degree that people like you claim it does.

The BIGGEST reason it continues to be an issue here is because some people extract power from the issue. Yes, some of them are white supremacists... but far more of them these days are politicians who exploit the very people they claim to want to help. We've solved far bigger issues than this... and democrats... even when in complete control of the government and a minority in the White House have done literally NOTHING to change it. The proof is self-evident.

(03-22-2016 07:51 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 03:02 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 02:47 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 02:43 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Charter schools do better (to the extent that they actually do) because they don't have to take just anybody. They have better students on average, therefore they do better. If you took the whole public school population and sent them to similar charter schools, I bet the overall education would not improve.

That's exactly the problem.

Black Americans are 12.6% of the population, yet charter schools are made up of 30% black students. What's the problem?

US Demographics
Black Demographics on education

(One source is wiki, the other is something weird that I've never heard of but was on the front page google results)

So evidently charter schools are not excluding anybody based on race. So where is the racial discrimination? Are you sjw bleeding hearts upset that many charters use a "no excuses" policy?

Time to see him explain this one away...

Looks like no response coming.

(03-23-2016 07:32 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:40 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:38 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Especially if your black because you will go to jail more often than if you're white.

Frankly, I don't give a damn. If they aren't doing drugs they won't get arrested. Dont mouth off to cops and you won't get your ass kicked. It's really not that hard to NOT get arrested or get your ass kicked by a cop. That goes for whites, blacks, browns and yellows alike.

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how about this....like drinking and driving, don't do drugs in public or behind the wheel.....

it's a fair and simple concept....

And yet blacks are still 6 times more likely to go to jail so which on is it? Either we have an unfair system or black people are evil.

No, it means black people are more likely to commit crimes. The reasons why, I hypothocize, include many variables that have been discussed throughout this thread. It is not because they are black. It is not because "black people are evil". It is not a genetic factor. It is simply what it is. I look to poor education, poverty, the breakdown of the family, the lack of opportunity in the economy, and drugs. It is a nasty cycle: child born without a father involved, mom does the best that she can but can't perform all roles and mental illness sets in, school becomes daycare, child comes home and mom is at work making $9 per hour and there is no time or presence to reinforce education at home, child outside of school is under no supervision and gets caught up in a destructive culture and hangs around bad influences, child drops out or graduates and there are no economic opportunities, criminal enterprise makes more money than making $9 per hour flipping burgers, child goes into criminal enterprise, child is now a young man parties and knocks up a young woman, young man gets arrested robbing a drug store to pay off debt to someone higher up in the criminal enterprise, child born without a father involved.

Finally someone gets down to the actual bottom line and it only took 26 pages.

Everything you just mentioned happens to people of all races. Not just black people. So explain to me why "black people are more likely to commit crimes"