(03-21-2016 12:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:34 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:25 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Perhaps if Blacks weren't incarcerated at 6 times the rate of whites, there wouldn't be as many single mothers and those families would have the funds to not need welfare.

Good point, but what do you suggest we do when someone is caught committing a serious crime? I can get onboard with legalizing marijuana, but I don't know how much that will impact. You certainly can't legalize rape, robbery, burglary, murder, hard drugs, and domestic violence.

Of course not but let's not forget that in this country, a white boy can kill people while driving drunk and not go to jail but a black kid can be killed for eating skittles.

Tell that to the dozens of White drivers in Kentucky that get Murder / Manslaughter charges brought up on them each year for DUI deaths. Many get 5-10 years.

(03-21-2016 12:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:34 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:25 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Perhaps if Blacks weren't incarcerated at 6 times the rate of whites, there wouldn't be as many single mothers and those families would have the funds to not need welfare.

Good point, but what do you suggest we do when someone is caught committing a serious crime? I can get onboard with legalizing marijuana, but I don't know how much that will impact. You certainly can't legalize rape, robbery, burglary, murder, hard drugs, and domestic violence.

Of course not but let's not forget that in this country, a white boy can kill people while driving drunk and not go to jail but a black kid can be killed for eating skittles.

Do you have a link to an incident like this happening?

(03-21-2016 12:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:34 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:25 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Perhaps if Blacks weren't incarcerated at 6 times the rate of whites, there wouldn't be as many single mothers and those families would have the funds to not need welfare.

Good point, but what do you suggest we do when someone is caught committing a serious crime? I can get onboard with legalizing marijuana, but I don't know how much that will impact. You certainly can't legalize rape, robbery, burglary, murder, hard drugs, and domestic violence.

Of course not but let's not forget that in this country, a white boy can kill people while driving drunk and not go to jail but a black kid can be killed for eating skittles.

Do you have a link to an incident like this happening?

Seriously? You don't remember the George Zimmerman case?

(03-21-2016 01:23 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:34 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:25 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Perhaps if Blacks weren't incarcerated at 6 times the rate of whites, there wouldn't be as many single mothers and those families would have the funds to not need welfare.

Good point, but what do you suggest we do when someone is caught committing a serious crime? I can get onboard with legalizing marijuana, but I don't know how much that will impact. You certainly can't legalize rape, robbery, burglary, murder, hard drugs, and domestic violence.

Of course not but let's not forget that in this country, a white boy can kill people while driving drunk and not go to jail but a black kid can be killed for eating skittles.

Do you have a link to an incident like this happening?

Seriously? You don't remember the George Zimmerman case?

That is not what happened then.

(03-21-2016 01:26 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:23 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:34 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Good point, but what do you suggest we do when someone is caught committing a serious crime? I can get onboard with legalizing marijuana, but I don't know how much that will impact. You certainly can't legalize rape, robbery, burglary, murder, hard drugs, and domestic violence.

Of course not but let's not forget that in this country, a white boy can kill people while driving drunk and not go to jail but a black kid can be killed for eating skittles.

Do you have a link to an incident like this happening?

Seriously? You don't remember the George Zimmerman case?

That is not what happened then.

Yes you are correct. That isn't what happened. Treyvon was killed however shortly after buying skittles at the store.

(03-21-2016 01:23 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:34 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:25 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Perhaps if Blacks weren't incarcerated at 6 times the rate of whites, there wouldn't be as many single mothers and those families would have the funds to not need welfare.

Good point, but what do you suggest we do when someone is caught committing a serious crime? I can get onboard with legalizing marijuana, but I don't know how much that will impact. You certainly can't legalize rape, robbery, burglary, murder, hard drugs, and domestic violence.

Of course not but let's not forget that in this country, a white boy can kill people while driving drunk and not go to jail but a black kid can be killed for eating skittles.

Do you have a link to an incident like this happening?

Seriously? You don't remember the George Zimmerman case?

Evidently you don't remember the George Zimmerman case because Trayvon Martin was killed in self-defense because he was assaulting George Zimmerman.

(03-21-2016 01:32 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:23 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:34 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Good point, but what do you suggest we do when someone is caught committing a serious crime? I can get onboard with legalizing marijuana, but I don't know how much that will impact. You certainly can't legalize rape, robbery, burglary, murder, hard drugs, and domestic violence.

Of course not but let's not forget that in this country, a white boy can kill people while driving drunk and not go to jail but a black kid can be killed for eating skittles.

Do you have a link to an incident like this happening?

Seriously? You don't remember the George Zimmerman case?

Evidently you don't remember the George Zimmerman case because Trayvon Martin was killed in self-defense because he was assaulting George Zimmerman.

That was never proven.

(03-21-2016 01:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:26 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:23 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Of course not but let's not forget that in this country, a white boy can kill people while driving drunk and not go to jail but a black kid can be killed for eating skittles.

Do you have a link to an incident like this happening?

Seriously? You don't remember the George Zimmerman case?

That is not what happened then.

Yes you are correct. That isn't what happened. Treyvon was killed however shortly after buying skittles at the store.

What does any of this have to do with why so many black men wind up in prison?

(03-21-2016 01:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:32 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:23 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Of course not but let's not forget that in this country, a white boy can kill people while driving drunk and not go to jail but a black kid can be killed for eating skittles.

Do you have a link to an incident like this happening?

Seriously? You don't remember the George Zimmerman case?

Evidently you don't remember the George Zimmerman case because Trayvon Martin was killed in self-defense because he was assaulting George Zimmerman.

That was never proven.

There was no need to prove it. Whether it was proved or not had nothing to do with George Zimmerman's guilt or innocence.

(03-21-2016 01:35 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:26 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:23 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Do you have a link to an incident like this happening?

Seriously? You don't remember the George Zimmerman case?

That is not what happened then.

Yes you are correct. That isn't what happened. Treyvon was killed however shortly after buying skittles at the store.

What does any of this have to do with why so many black men wind up in prison?

It was just an example of how people are treated in this country. If a black boy killed 3 people while drunk driving, do you think he could have gotten only probation like that white kid did?

(03-21-2016 01:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:32 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:23 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Of course not but let's not forget that in this country, a white boy can kill people while driving drunk and not go to jail but a black kid can be killed for eating skittles.

Do you have a link to an incident like this happening?

Seriously? You don't remember the George Zimmerman case?

Evidently you don't remember the George Zimmerman case because Trayvon Martin was killed in self-defense because he was assaulting George Zimmerman.

That was never proven.

Zimmerman was found not guilty of second degree murder and the physical evidence supported his claims.

(03-21-2016 01:37 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:35 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:26 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:23 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Seriously? You don't remember the George Zimmerman case?

That is not what happened then.

Yes you are correct. That isn't what happened. Treyvon was killed however shortly after buying skittles at the store.

What does any of this have to do with why so many black men wind up in prison?

It was just an example of how people are treated in this country. If a black boy killed 3 people while drunk driving, do you think he could have gotten only probation like that white kid did?

I think it would depend on the state law, the defendent's criminal history, and the judge. Either way it doesn't address the question. You can blame other people or institutional racism, but that won't stop people from committing crimes. I'm looking for real causes and real solutions. I'm rooting for positive change.

This thread went from charters schools to drunk driving to George Zimmerman.

Fit brought his goalpost A game for this one.

(03-21-2016 01:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:26 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:23 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Of course not but let's not forget that in this country, a white boy can kill people while driving drunk and not go to jail but a black kid can be killed for eating skittles.

Do you have a link to an incident like this happening?

Seriously? You don't remember the George Zimmerman case?

That is not what happened then.

Yes you are correct. That isn't what happened. Treyvon was killed however shortly after buying skittles at the store.

Where in the trail was it proven that his eating Skittles lead directly to him being killed?

You made a completely unsubstantiated claim that a black kid was killed because he bought Skittles. How can you expect anybody to take you seriously if you can make a stupid claim like that?

(03-21-2016 12:46 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:34 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:25 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Perhaps if Blacks weren't incarcerated at 6 times the rate of whites, there wouldn't be as many single mothers and those families would have the funds to not need welfare.

Good point, but what do you suggest we do when someone is caught committing a serious crime? I can get onboard with legalizing marijuana, but I don't know how much that will impact. You certainly can't legalize rape, robbery, burglary, murder, hard drugs, and domestic violence.

Of course not but let's not forget that in this country, a white boy can kill people while driving drunk and not go to jail but a black kid can be killed for eating skittles.

dumbest fuckin post of the year so far.

Yea, and amazingly that is actually really saying something.

Someone insulted brick walls in that other thread...

There is no fixing our education system until the parents and children are held accountable as well.

We are in the part of this argument where teachers are simply a nice place to throw your excuses on.

(03-21-2016 04:10 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  There is no fixing our education system until the parents and children are held accountable as well.

We are in the part of this argument where teachers are simply a nice place to throw your excuses on.

Yep. Teachers can only reach those who are willing to learn.

(03-21-2016 12:25 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Perhaps if Blacks weren't incarcerated at 6 times the rate of whites, there wouldn't be as many single mothers and those families would have the funds to not need welfare.

And that's fair a fair assumption... Seems to me more government is not always better for the black community..

(03-21-2016 01:23 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:34 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:25 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Perhaps if Blacks weren't incarcerated at 6 times the rate of whites, there wouldn't be as many single mothers and those families would have the funds to not need welfare.

Good point, but what do you suggest we do when someone is caught committing a serious crime? I can get onboard with legalizing marijuana, but I don't know how much that will impact. You certainly can't legalize rape, robbery, burglary, murder, hard drugs, and domestic violence.

Of course not but let's not forget that in this country, a white boy can kill people while driving drunk and not go to jail but a black kid can be killed for eating skittles.

Do you have a link to an incident like this happening?

Seriously? You don't remember the George Zimmerman case?

Oh no. Here we go again. :(

(03-20-2016 09:48 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  The report linked to is from 2010. More recent studies, including a new update from Stanford CREDO, show that charters do produce higher results.

Quote:A new study of charter schools shows that they are making a meaningful difference for underserved kids in many of our nation’s cities,....On net, the findings are good news for charter schools: Across the 41 cities studied, students in charter schools learned significantly more than their peers attending traditional public schools

Link

Here's another interesting study taking budgets into consideration (charters usually have less money):

Quote:charter schools overall being 40 percent more cost-effective in math and 41 percent more cost effective in reading, compared to traditional public schools...

Link NPR

If you read the updated Stanford credo report a little closer you will find it isn't as conclusive as it appears at first glance. Charters are all over the place. In certain situations they have shown positive results, in others students have performed poorly. In NC the most recent standardized scores showed some very successful charters and some really crappy ones as well.