(03-21-2016 01:23 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:34 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:25 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Perhaps if Blacks weren't incarcerated at 6 times the rate of whites, there wouldn't be as many single mothers and those families would have the funds to not need welfare.

Good point, but what do you suggest we do when someone is caught committing a serious crime? I can get onboard with legalizing marijuana, but I don't know how much that will impact. You certainly can't legalize rape, robbery, burglary, murder, hard drugs, and domestic violence.

Of course not but let's not forget that in this country, a white boy can kill people while driving drunk and not go to jail but a black kid can be killed for eating skittles.

Do you have a link to an incident like this happening?

Seriously? You don't remember the George Zimmerman case?

so is "eating skittles" some kind of new slang for getting on top of someone and whaling on them with your fist?

(03-21-2016 01:37 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:35 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:26 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:23 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Seriously? You don't remember the George Zimmerman case?

That is not what happened then.

Yes you are correct. That isn't what happened. Treyvon was killed however shortly after buying skittles at the store.

What does any of this have to do with why so many black men wind up in prison?

It was just an example of how people are treated in this country. If a black boy killed 3 people while drunk driving, do you think he could have gotten only probation like that white kid did?

FTR kids born out of wedlock has nothing to do with prison. Unless they were conceived on a conjugal visit. We could argue the lack of fathers in the home if they were arrested after the fact but kids born out of wedlock have nothing to do with the incarceration problems.

(03-21-2016 08:31 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 09:48 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  The report linked to is from 2010. More recent studies, including a new update from Stanford CREDO, show that charters do produce higher results.

Quote:A new study of charter schools shows that they are making a meaningful difference for underserved kids in many of our nation’s cities,....On net, the findings are good news for charter schools: Across the 41 cities studied, students in charter schools learned significantly more than their peers attending traditional public schools

Link

Here's another interesting study taking budgets into consideration (charters usually have less money):

Quote:charter schools overall being 40 percent more cost-effective in math and 41 percent more cost effective in reading, compared to traditional public schools...

Link NPR

If you read the updated Stanford credo report a little closer you will find it isn't as conclusive as it appears at first glance. Charters are all over the place. In certain situations they have shown positive results, in others students have performed poorly. In NC the most recent standardized scores showed some very successful charters and some really crappy ones as well.

So it's fair to say that as laboratories for trying different things in education that they are working. Let the poor performing charters fail and let the good ones be copied.

My kids have been in two charters. We left the first when a new director came in and started treating the teachers poorly. Teacher turnover started and parents began to trickle out.

That was two years ago. We got word last month that the charter is closing it's doors after this year.

(03-21-2016 08:52 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 08:31 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 09:48 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  The report linked to is from 2010. More recent studies, including a new update from Stanford CREDO, show that charters do produce higher results.

Quote:A new study of charter schools shows that they are making a meaningful difference for underserved kids in many of our nation’s cities,....On net, the findings are good news for charter schools: Across the 41 cities studied, students in charter schools learned significantly more than their peers attending traditional public schools

Link

Here's another interesting study taking budgets into consideration (charters usually have less money):

Quote:charter schools overall being 40 percent more cost-effective in math and 41 percent more cost effective in reading, compared to traditional public schools...

Link NPR

If you read the updated Stanford credo report a little closer you will find it isn't as conclusive as it appears at first glance. Charters are all over the place. In certain situations they have shown positive results, in others students have performed poorly. In NC the most recent standardized scores showed some very successful charters and some really crappy ones as well.

So it's fair to say that as laboratories for trying different things in education that they are working. Let the poor performing charters fail and let the good ones be copied.

My kids have been in two charters. We left the first when a new director came in and started treating the teachers poorly. Teacher turnover started and parents began to trickle out.

That was two years ago. We got word last month that the charter is closing it's doors after this year.

I've yet to see anything particularly innovative come out of the charter movement but we can continue to hope. When / if they do those innovations can be shared with the rest of the schools and all the students can benefit.

(03-21-2016 09:53 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 08:52 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 08:31 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 09:48 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  The report linked to is from 2010. More recent studies, including a new update from Stanford CREDO, show that charters do produce higher results.

Quote:A new study of charter schools shows that they are making a meaningful difference for underserved kids in many of our nation’s cities,....On net, the findings are good news for charter schools: Across the 41 cities studied, students in charter schools learned significantly more than their peers attending traditional public schools

Link

Here's another interesting study taking budgets into consideration (charters usually have less money):

Quote:charter schools overall being 40 percent more cost-effective in math and 41 percent more cost effective in reading, compared to traditional public schools...

Link NPR

If you read the updated Stanford credo report a little closer you will find it isn't as conclusive as it appears at first glance. Charters are all over the place. In certain situations they have shown positive results, in others students have performed poorly. In NC the most recent standardized scores showed some very successful charters and some really crappy ones as well.

So it's fair to say that as laboratories for trying different things in education that they are working. Let the poor performing charters fail and let the good ones be copied.

My kids have been in two charters. We left the first when a new director came in and started treating the teachers poorly. Teacher turnover started and parents began to trickle out.

That was two years ago. We got word last month that the charter is closing it's doors after this year.

I've yet to see anything particularly innovative come out of the charter movement but we can continue to hope. When / if they do those innovations can be shared with the rest of the schools and all the students can benefit.

I don't think you need a sweeping new idea or research going on in the schools.

Charters have led the way on year round schedules, for instance. Something which would have taken public schools decades to adopt with out a push.

(03-18-2016 01:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Charter schools suspended higher percentages of black students and students with disabilities than traditional schools did. The overall difference between suspension rates in charters versus traditional schools isn't huge: In the 2011-12 academic year, charters suspended 7.8 percent of all students, compared with 6.7 percent for noncharters. But these gaps increase when you look at who is getting suspended: In charter schools, black students and students with disabilities were suspended at higher percentages in all grades than their peers in traditional schools. In middle and high schools, 12 percent more students with disabilities and 2.5 percent more black students were suspended in charters compared with noncharters.

Link

Yep. Heard about this a long time ago.

(03-18-2016 01:46 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 01:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 01:40 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 01:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 01:34 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Kids more likely to have behavioral issues are suspended more from schools which require stricter behavioral issues.

I don't see the problem.

The problem is that more of the students with "behavioral issues" are black.

Why do you suppose that black students have more behavioral issues?

They don't, that's the problem.

bull****

You really are just a troll Fit.

Probably the lead in their water.

(03-21-2016 03:07 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  This thread went from charters schools to drunk driving to George Zimmerman.

Fit brought his goalpost A game for this one.

no doubt....can't wait to see him defend muslim immigration in the Brussels' thread...

that poor soul is dumber than my sac....

(03-21-2016 08:45 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:23 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:34 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Good point, but what do you suggest we do when someone is caught committing a serious crime? I can get onboard with legalizing marijuana, but I don't know how much that will impact. You certainly can't legalize rape, robbery, burglary, murder, hard drugs, and domestic violence.

Of course not but let's not forget that in this country, a white boy can kill people while driving drunk and not go to jail but a black kid can be killed for eating skittles.

Do you have a link to an incident like this happening?

Seriously? You don't remember the George Zimmerman case?

so is "eating skittles" some kind of new slang for getting on top of someone and whaling on them with your fist?

Again something that was never proven.

(03-22-2016 01:59 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 01:46 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 01:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 01:40 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 01:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  The problem is that more of the students with "behavioral issues" are black.

Why do you suppose that black students have more behavioral issues?

They don't, that's the problem.

bull****

You really are just a troll Fit.

Probably the lead in their water.

Saw a study recently suggesting the decline in crime from the 70s to 90s had a lot to do with removal of lead from gasoline and from paint.

(03-21-2016 08:45 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:23 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:34 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Good point, but what do you suggest we do when someone is caught committing a serious crime? I can get onboard with legalizing marijuana, but I don't know how much that will impact. You certainly can't legalize rape, robbery, burglary, murder, hard drugs, and domestic violence.

Of course not but let's not forget that in this country, a white boy can kill people while driving drunk and not go to jail but a black kid can be killed for eating skittles.

Do you have a link to an incident like this happening?

Seriously? You don't remember the George Zimmerman case?

so is "eating skittles" some kind of new slang for getting on top of someone and whaling on them with your fist?

Maybe its doing weed. He had it in his bloodstream. And then beating the tar out of someone.

(03-22-2016 11:09 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 08:45 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:23 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Of course not but let's not forget that in this country, a white boy can kill people while driving drunk and not go to jail but a black kid can be killed for eating skittles.

Do you have a link to an incident like this happening?

Seriously? You don't remember the George Zimmerman case?

so is "eating skittles" some kind of new slang for getting on top of someone and whaling on them with your fist?

Maybe its doing weed. He had it in his bloodstream. And then beating the tar out of someone.

Yeah because smoking week makes you violent.

(03-22-2016 11:10 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 11:09 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 08:45 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:23 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Do you have a link to an incident like this happening?

Seriously? You don't remember the George Zimmerman case?

so is "eating skittles" some kind of new slang for getting on top of someone and whaling on them with your fist?

Maybe its doing weed. He had it in his bloodstream. And then beating the tar out of someone.

Yeah because smoking week makes you violent.

Everything you know about MJ you learned from half baked...


The truth is a whole lot uglier...

===

While one is currently high on weed they are typically not too violent... *however* habitual use of the drug damages the brain and emotional development.

While High (low doses)

It increases chances of impulsive, risky behavior
Creates difficulty problem solving

While High (high doses)

Hallucinations
Paranoia
Intense anxiety attacks
Severe depression
Delusions

lasting effects when not high

Doubles the risk of developing symptoms of depression and anxiety
Three times as likely to have suicidal thoughts as compared to peers who do not smoke marijuana
Increased risk of developing schizophrenia

===

Now today's MJ is a hell of a lot more potent than the stuff they were smoking in foreman's basement...

(03-22-2016 11:04 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 08:45 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:23 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 12:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Of course not but let's not forget that in this country, a white boy can kill people while driving drunk and not go to jail but a black kid can be killed for eating skittles.

Do you have a link to an incident like this happening?

Seriously? You don't remember the George Zimmerman case?

so is "eating skittles" some kind of new slang for getting on top of someone and whaling on them with your fist?

Again something that was never proven.

It's what the physical evidence at the scene suggests. Unlike the the narrative pushed by SJW's.

(03-22-2016 11:29 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 11:10 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 11:09 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 08:45 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:23 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Seriously? You don't remember the George Zimmerman case?

so is "eating skittles" some kind of new slang for getting on top of someone and whaling on them with your fist?

Maybe its doing weed. He had it in his bloodstream. And then beating the tar out of someone.

Yeah because smoking week makes you violent.

Everything you know about MJ you learned from half baked...


The truth is a whole lot uglier...

===

While one is currently high on weed they are typically not too violent... *however* habitual use of the drug damages the brain and emotional development.

While High (low doses)

It increases chances of impulsive, risky behavior
Creates difficulty problem solving

While High (high doses)

Hallucinations
Paranoia
Intense anxiety attacks
Severe depression
Delusions

lasting effects when not high

Doubles the risk of developing symptoms of depression and anxiety
Three times as likely to have suicidal thoughts as compared to peers who do not smoke marijuana
Increased risk of developing schizophrenia

===

Now today's MJ is a hell of a lot more potent than the stuff they were smoking in foreman's basement...

And that's without combining it with purple drank.

(03-22-2016 11:29 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 11:10 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 11:09 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 08:45 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 01:23 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Seriously? You don't remember the George Zimmerman case?

so is "eating skittles" some kind of new slang for getting on top of someone and whaling on them with your fist?

Maybe its doing weed. He had it in his bloodstream. And then beating the tar out of someone.

Yeah because smoking week makes you violent.

Everything you know about MJ you learned from half baked...


The truth is a whole lot uglier...

===

While one is currently high on weed they are typically not too violent... *however* habitual use of the drug damages the brain and emotional development.

While High (low doses)

It increases chances of impulsive, risky behavior
Creates difficulty problem solving

While High (high doses)

Hallucinations
Paranoia
Intense anxiety attacks
Severe depression
Delusions

lasting effects when not high

Doubles the risk of developing symptoms of depression and anxiety
Three times as likely to have suicidal thoughts as compared to peers who do not smoke marijuana
Increased risk of developing schizophrenia

===

Now today's MJ is a hell of a lot more potent than the stuff they were smoking in foreman's basement...

Interesting, and how much MJ did Martin smoke at the ripe old age of 17?

(03-22-2016 11:32 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 11:29 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 11:10 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 11:09 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 08:45 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  so is "eating skittles" some kind of new slang for getting on top of someone and whaling on them with your fist?

Maybe its doing weed. He had it in his bloodstream. And then beating the tar out of someone.

Yeah because smoking week makes you violent.

Everything you know about MJ you learned from half baked...


The truth is a whole lot uglier...

===

While one is currently high on weed they are typically not too violent... *however* habitual use of the drug damages the brain and emotional development.

While High (low doses)

It increases chances of impulsive, risky behavior
Creates difficulty problem solving

While High (high doses)

Hallucinations
Paranoia
Intense anxiety attacks
Severe depression
Delusions

lasting effects when not high

Doubles the risk of developing symptoms of depression and anxiety
Three times as likely to have suicidal thoughts as compared to peers who do not smoke marijuana
Increased risk of developing schizophrenia

===

Now today's MJ is a hell of a lot more potent than the stuff they were smoking in foreman's basement...

Interesting, and how much MJ did Martin smoke at the ripe old age of 17?

I'm sorry did you miss the part about short term symptoms which include Paranoia and Intense anxiety attacks?

(03-22-2016 11:34 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 11:32 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 11:29 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 11:10 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 11:09 AM)bullet Wrote:  Maybe its doing weed. He had it in his bloodstream. And then beating the tar out of someone.

Yeah because smoking week makes you violent.

Everything you know about MJ you learned from half baked...


The truth is a whole lot uglier...

===

While one is currently high on weed they are typically not too violent... *however* habitual use of the drug damages the brain and emotional development.

While High (low doses)

It increases chances of impulsive, risky behavior
Creates difficulty problem solving

While High (high doses)

Hallucinations
Paranoia
Intense anxiety attacks
Severe depression
Delusions

lasting effects when not high

Doubles the risk of developing symptoms of depression and anxiety
Three times as likely to have suicidal thoughts as compared to peers who do not smoke marijuana
Increased risk of developing schizophrenia

===

Now today's MJ is a hell of a lot more potent than the stuff they were smoking in foreman's basement...

Interesting, and how much MJ did Martin smoke at the ripe old age of 17?

I'm sorry did you miss the part about short term symptoms which include Paranoia and Intense anxiety attacks?

I'm sorry. I must have missed the part where you were Martin's doctor and knew exactly how much MJ he actually smoked.

(03-22-2016 11:36 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I'm sorry. I must have missed the part where you were Martin's doctor and knew exactly how much MJ he actually smoked.

Funny when it comes to Martin consuming a drug known to cause paranoid delusions and anxiety attacks you need the specifics. But you won't beleive Z acted in self defense until it's proven 100%