(12-30-2015 02:40 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 02:24 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 12:24 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 06:17 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 07:28 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Chip Kelly fired from the Eagles. Wow.

OK coach, terrible GM.

He's a really good coach, but like Mike Shanahan, he was his own worst enemy as the guy in control of player personnel.

I dunno. Shanahan did draft Kurt Cousins who looks like he could be a great NFL QB. Alfred Morris too. Also got Ryan Kerrigan the year before.

Ha, Shanahan is probably going around this year telling everyone that he drafted Cousins - he's hoping that people will forget that he also gave away the store to get RG3. He's also hoping that people will forget that he inherited a team ready to win Super Bowls in Denver and then, when he got full control after winning the Super Bowls, he diminished the roster year by year with bad drafts and questionable free agent signings.

the question with RG3 is was that him or was it the owner. Very possible it was the owner there.....

IMO, best scenario for the Vikings is to play at Washington.

Seahawks crushed them in TCF a few weeks ago. And having to go right back to Green Bay the second week in a row would be terrible.

Therefore, if Cards beat Seahawks then I vote to rest the starters and lay down vs the Pack. Sucks I know. If Seattle wins, then go ahead and crush those Green a__holes.

(12-30-2015 02:42 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 02:40 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 02:24 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 12:24 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 06:17 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  OK coach, terrible GM.

He's a really good coach, but like Mike Shanahan, he was his own worst enemy as the guy in control of player personnel.

I dunno. Shanahan did draft Kurt Cousins who looks like he could be a great NFL QB. Alfred Morris too. Also got Ryan Kerrigan the year before.

Ha, Shanahan is probably going around this year telling everyone that he drafted Cousins - he's hoping that people will forget that he also gave away the store to get RG3. He's also hoping that people will forget that he inherited a team ready to win Super Bowls in Denver and then, when he got full control after winning the Super Bowls, he diminished the roster year by year with bad drafts and questionable free agent signings.

the question with RG3 is was that him or was it the owner. Very possible it was the owner there.....

Snyder is dumb. So are many other owners. The Philly owner said today that he's going back to the same GM he had before... looks like his decision to fire Chip was just a matter of giving in to the owner's mediocre buddy who wanted to be in charge again.

(12-30-2015 02:50 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  IMO, best scenario for the Vikings is to play at Washington.

Seahawks crushed them in TCF a few weeks ago. And having to go right back to Green Bay the second week in a row would be terrible.

Therefore, if Cards beat Seahawks then I vote to rest the starters and lay down vs the Pack. Sucks I know. If Seattle wins, then go ahead and crush those Green a__holes.

Funny because people around my neck of the woods want to face Minnesota more than anyone in that wild card game. I would wager that GB is probably the worst of the three WC potentials though (MIN, GB, SEA) at this point. However, I would prefer to face Bridgewater instead of Rodgers in a playoff game despite how much better the rest of the Vikings team appears to be.

Should be interesting as the Skins basically have a bye this week and should get some much needed rest against Dallas. Funny how this is the first Skins/Cowboys game in my life time where I am totally outcome independent. It would be nice to beat them, but I don't really care.

I actually want the Skins to lose to the Cowboys....

right now here's the draft order....
1 Tennessee 3-12 .493 SOS
2 Cleveland 3-12 .529
3 San Diego 4-11 .511
4 Dallas 4-11 .529
5 San Francisco 4-11 .556
6 Miami 5-10 .453
7 Jacksonville 5-10 .467
8 Baltimore 5-10 .489
9 Tampa Bay 6-9 .453
10 NY Giants 6-9 .498
11 New Orleans 6-9 .507
12 Philadelphia 6-9 .520
13 Detroit 6-9 .547
14 Chicago 6-9 .556
15 Buffalo 7-8 .498
16 Oakland 7-8 .502
17 Indianapolis 7-8 .520
18 St Louis 7-8 .542
19 Atlanta 8-7 .476
20 Pittsburgh 9-6 .529

So a Dallas win here could knock them down to #8 in the draft order.

(12-30-2015 10:47 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I actually want the Skins to lose to the Cowboys....

right now here's the draft order....
1 Tennessee 3-12 .493 SOS
2 Cleveland 3-12 .529
3 San Diego 4-11 .511
4 Dallas 4-11 .529
5 San Francisco 4-11 .556
6 Miami 5-10 .453
7 Jacksonville 5-10 .467
8 Baltimore 5-10 .489
9 Tampa Bay 6-9 .453
10 NY Giants 6-9 .498
11 New Orleans 6-9 .507
12 Philadelphia 6-9 .520
13 Detroit 6-9 .547
14 Chicago 6-9 .556
15 Buffalo 7-8 .498
16 Oakland 7-8 .502
17 Indianapolis 7-8 .520
18 St Louis 7-8 .542
19 Atlanta 8-7 .476
20 Pittsburgh 9-6 .529

So a Dallas win here could knock them down to #8 in the draft order.

if the Giants winning is the difference between #9 and #14, I know which I want. I know it's not a huge difference, but a 5 spot difference as a result of one lousy game is an easy decision

Can't believe the ending to the Vikings @ Pack. With Seattle winning, it was imperative for the Vikings to win.

Can't believe that with all everything that happened ... it still came down to the Packers *got the ball off, in time* and got a ball in the end zone. I figured when that happened, it was the dagger. Glad they pulled it out. ALMOST snatched defeat from the jaws of victory...


And speaking of Seattle, what the heck Arizona?? I thought they were going to play for homefield advantage? They obviously didn't try. Boo!

(01-05-2016 02:03 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Can't believe the ending to the Vikings @ Pack. With Seattle winning, it was imperative for the Vikings to win.

Can't believe that with all everything that happened ... it still came down to the Packers *got the ball off, in time* and got a ball in the end zone. I figured when that happened, it was the dagger. Glad they pulled it out. ALMOST snatched defeat from the jaws of victory...


And speaking of Seattle, what the heck Arizona?? I thought they were going to play for homefield advantage? They obviously didn't try. Boo!

I think re Seattle/Arizona- Arizona knew for the most part that Carolina would rock Tampa and it wouldn't matter. IT would have been interesting if say Carolina was playing even the Saints.

Well, perhaps some people would've thought that Carolina would crush Atlanta, too. I was holding out hope that Tampa would win, forcing Arizona to play hard and beat Seattle and thus giving the Vikings a chance of playing at Washington.

But, I'll take the division title. And bring on the Hawks for a frozen game. Might be Minnesota's last outdoor NFL game in Jan for several decades.

right now, not sure how much I'd be looking forward to playing the Redskins. 6-3 since the bye, with the 3 losses to New England, Carolina, and the bizarre Dallas game. 3-5 1st 8 games, 6-2 last 8 games. 4 of the 6 wins by double digits.

Cousins in the last 8 games- 173/235 73.62% with 2212 yards and 19 td/2 int. 126.1 rating....
compare to his opponent- Rodgers... 184/320 57.50% with 1884 yards and 12 td/5 int. 80.5 rating... HIs last game of an above 100 rating- back in week 6 vs San Diego. to put in perspective- Cousins has played in 10 games since that week. In 8/10 weeks, he's had a rating over 100. with 3 above 150!

of course, Minnesota is getting a pretty hot QB as well in Wilson... His last 7 games- where they've gone 6-1- he's 154/217 70.97% for 1906 yards with 24 TD and 1 INT. 132.8 rating.

(01-05-2016 03:19 PM)stever20 Wrote:  right now, not sure how much I'd be looking forward to playing the Redskins. 6-3 since the bye, with the 3 losses to New England, Carolina, and the bizarre Dallas game. 3-5 1st 8 games, 6-2 last 8 games. 4 of the 6 wins by double digits.

Cousins in the last 8 games- 173/235 73.62% with 2212 yards and 19 td/2 int. 126.1 rating....
compare to his opponent- Rodgers... 184/320 57.50% with 1884 yards and 12 td/5 int. 80.5 rating... HIs last game of an above 100 rating- back in week 6 vs San Diego. to put in perspective- Cousins has played in 10 games since that week. In 8/10 weeks, he's had a rating over 100. with 3 above 150!

of course, Minnesota is getting a pretty hot QB as well in Wilson... His last 7 games- where they've gone 6-1- he's 154/217 70.97% for 1906 yards with 24 TD and 1 INT. 132.8 rating.

I think the Deadskins are in a great position. As I said GB has major issues on offense and Washington's D will be able to put pressure on Rodgers. If they will their wild card game, they'll be off to face another winnable game in Arizona.

(01-05-2016 03:19 PM)stever20 Wrote:  right now, not sure how much I'd be looking forward to playing the Redskins. 6-3 since the bye, with the 3 losses to New England, Carolina, and the bizarre Dallas game. 3-5 1st 8 games, 6-2 last 8 games. 4 of the 6 wins by double digits.

Cousins in the last 8 games- 173/235 73.62% with 2212 yards and 19 td/2 int. 126.1 rating....
compare to his opponent- Rodgers... 184/320 57.50% with 1884 yards and 12 td/5 int. 80.5 rating... HIs last game of an above 100 rating- back in week 6 vs San Diego. to put in perspective- Cousins has played in 10 games since that week. In 8/10 weeks, he's had a rating over 100. with 3 above 150!

of course, Minnesota is getting a pretty hot QB as well in Wilson... His last 7 games- where they've gone 6-1- he's 154/217 70.97% for 1906 yards with 24 TD and 1 INT. 132.8 rating.

combined record of the 9 teams the Redskins beat: 58-86. The NFL, where division winners can go a whole season without beating an above .500 team

Packers schedule last 6 weeks wasn't exactly brutal...
Chicago, Detroit, Dallas, Oakland, Arizona, and Minnesota. Went 3-3 in those 6 games.

what's amazing, these teams have only played twice in the playoffs. 1972 and 1936, when the Redskins were in Boston.

(01-05-2016 03:35 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 03:19 PM)stever20 Wrote:  right now, not sure how much I'd be looking forward to playing the Redskins. 6-3 since the bye, with the 3 losses to New England, Carolina, and the bizarre Dallas game. 3-5 1st 8 games, 6-2 last 8 games. 4 of the 6 wins by double digits.

Cousins in the last 8 games- 173/235 73.62% with 2212 yards and 19 td/2 int. 126.1 rating....
compare to his opponent- Rodgers... 184/320 57.50% with 1884 yards and 12 td/5 int. 80.5 rating... HIs last game of an above 100 rating- back in week 6 vs San Diego. to put in perspective- Cousins has played in 10 games since that week. In 8/10 weeks, he's had a rating over 100. with 3 above 150!

of course, Minnesota is getting a pretty hot QB as well in Wilson... His last 7 games- where they've gone 6-1- he's 154/217 70.97% for 1906 yards with 24 TD and 1 INT. 132.8 rating.

I think the Deadskins are in a great position. As I said GB has major issues on offense and Washington's D will be able to put pressure on Rodgers. If they will their wild card game, they'll be off to face another winnable game in Arizona.

Not so fast, my friend. If the Vikings also win, then Wash @ Carolina.

(01-05-2016 10:56 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 03:35 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 03:19 PM)stever20 Wrote:  right now, not sure how much I'd be looking forward to playing the Redskins. 6-3 since the bye, with the 3 losses to New England, Carolina, and the bizarre Dallas game. 3-5 1st 8 games, 6-2 last 8 games. 4 of the 6 wins by double digits.

Cousins in the last 8 games- 173/235 73.62% with 2212 yards and 19 td/2 int. 126.1 rating....
compare to his opponent- Rodgers... 184/320 57.50% with 1884 yards and 12 td/5 int. 80.5 rating... HIs last game of an above 100 rating- back in week 6 vs San Diego. to put in perspective- Cousins has played in 10 games since that week. In 8/10 weeks, he's had a rating over 100. with 3 above 150!

of course, Minnesota is getting a pretty hot QB as well in Wilson... His last 7 games- where they've gone 6-1- he's 154/217 70.97% for 1906 yards with 24 TD and 1 INT. 132.8 rating.

I think the Deadskins are in a great position. As I said GB has major issues on offense and Washington's D will be able to put pressure on Rodgers. If they will their wild card game, they'll be off to face another winnable game in Arizona.

Not so fast, my friend. If the Vikings also win, then Wash @ Carolina.

I admit, I think the Vikes are going to get curb stomped by the 'Hawks. But I didn't factor in the weather. If it's as windy as it is cold, that could shut down Seattle's vertical passing game. That's a situation Minny could take advantage of.

(01-06-2016 08:13 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 10:56 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 03:35 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 03:19 PM)stever20 Wrote:  right now, not sure how much I'd be looking forward to playing the Redskins. 6-3 since the bye, with the 3 losses to New England, Carolina, and the bizarre Dallas game. 3-5 1st 8 games, 6-2 last 8 games. 4 of the 6 wins by double digits.

Cousins in the last 8 games- 173/235 73.62% with 2212 yards and 19 td/2 int. 126.1 rating....
compare to his opponent- Rodgers... 184/320 57.50% with 1884 yards and 12 td/5 int. 80.5 rating... HIs last game of an above 100 rating- back in week 6 vs San Diego. to put in perspective- Cousins has played in 10 games since that week. In 8/10 weeks, he's had a rating over 100. with 3 above 150!

of course, Minnesota is getting a pretty hot QB as well in Wilson... His last 7 games- where they've gone 6-1- he's 154/217 70.97% for 1906 yards with 24 TD and 1 INT. 132.8 rating.

I think the Deadskins are in a great position. As I said GB has major issues on offense and Washington's D will be able to put pressure on Rodgers. If they will their wild card game, they'll be off to face another winnable game in Arizona.

Not so fast, my friend. If the Vikings also win, then Wash @ Carolina.

I admit, I think the Vikes are going to get curb stomped by the 'Hawks. But I didn't factor in the weather. If it's as windy as it is cold, that could shut down Seattle's vertical passing game. That's a situation Minny could take advantage of.

I don't think the weather will be a decisive factor. That's overrated, in my opinion. Just because you live here, doesn't mean you're magically adapted to freezing temps. It just means you stay inside all day. Same for oppressive heat.

Both teams will be miserable. And I think both are competent at running the ball.

One thing that's nice for the Vikings is that rematches often give the loser of the first game a better chance to "figure it out".

If the Seahawks end up winning the whole thing again, are they officially a dynasty?

(01-05-2016 10:01 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Packers schedule last 6 weeks wasn't exactly brutal...
Chicago, Detroit, Dallas, Oakland, Arizona, and Minnesota. Went 3-3 in those 6 games.

what's amazing, these teams have only played twice in the playoffs. 1972 and 1936, when the Redskins were in Boston.

yeah that's not impressive either. Most teams these days can't play a tough schedule because the league is such garbage

(01-06-2016 11:04 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(01-06-2016 08:13 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 10:56 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 03:35 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 03:19 PM)stever20 Wrote:  right now, not sure how much I'd be looking forward to playing the Redskins. 6-3 since the bye, with the 3 losses to New England, Carolina, and the bizarre Dallas game. 3-5 1st 8 games, 6-2 last 8 games. 4 of the 6 wins by double digits.

Cousins in the last 8 games- 173/235 73.62% with 2212 yards and 19 td/2 int. 126.1 rating....
compare to his opponent- Rodgers... 184/320 57.50% with 1884 yards and 12 td/5 int. 80.5 rating... HIs last game of an above 100 rating- back in week 6 vs San Diego. to put in perspective- Cousins has played in 10 games since that week. In 8/10 weeks, he's had a rating over 100. with 3 above 150!

of course, Minnesota is getting a pretty hot QB as well in Wilson... His last 7 games- where they've gone 6-1- he's 154/217 70.97% for 1906 yards with 24 TD and 1 INT. 132.8 rating.

I think the Deadskins are in a great position. As I said GB has major issues on offense and Washington's D will be able to put pressure on Rodgers. If they will their wild card game, they'll be off to face another winnable game in Arizona.

Not so fast, my friend. If the Vikings also win, then Wash @ Carolina.

I admit, I think the Vikes are going to get curb stomped by the 'Hawks. But I didn't factor in the weather. If it's as windy as it is cold, that could shut down Seattle's vertical passing game. That's a situation Minny could take advantage of.

I don't think the weather will be a decisive factor. That's overrated, in my opinion. Just because you live here, doesn't mean you're magically adapted to freezing temps. It just means you stay inside all day. Same for oppressive heat.

Both teams will be miserable. And I think both are competent at running the ball.

One thing that's nice for the Vikings is that rematches often give the loser of the first game a better chance to "figure it out".

I think "normal" cold weather you're right. But when it's so abnormal, I do think it gives the advantage to the team that is used to play in it. Also- Look at Seattle. They had 3 road games after the bye. @ Minnesota(40 degrees), @ Baltimore(when things were abnormally warm-72 degrees), and @ Arizona(dome). 2 December home games at 48 and 42 degrees. Meanwhile Minnesota has had just the last 2 weeks games home and @ Green Bay where the game time temp was in the 10-20 range. It takes a while for you to get used to that.

(01-06-2016 12:03 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-06-2016 11:04 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(01-06-2016 08:13 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 10:56 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 03:35 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  I think the Deadskins are in a great position. As I said GB has major issues on offense and Washington's D will be able to put pressure on Rodgers. If they will their wild card game, they'll be off to face another winnable game in Arizona.

Not so fast, my friend. If the Vikings also win, then Wash @ Carolina.

I admit, I think the Vikes are going to get curb stomped by the 'Hawks. But I didn't factor in the weather. If it's as windy as it is cold, that could shut down Seattle's vertical passing game. That's a situation Minny could take advantage of.

I don't think the weather will be a decisive factor. That's overrated, in my opinion. Just because you live here, doesn't mean you're magically adapted to freezing temps. It just means you stay inside all day. Same for oppressive heat.

Both teams will be miserable. And I think both are competent at running the ball.

One thing that's nice for the Vikings is that rematches often give the loser of the first game a better chance to "figure it out".

I think "normal" cold weather you're right. But when it's so abnormal, I do think it gives the advantage to the team that is used to play in it. Also- Look at Seattle. They had 3 road games after the bye. @ Minnesota(40 degrees), @ Baltimore(when things were abnormally warm-72 degrees), and @ Arizona(dome). 2 December home games at 48 and 42 degrees. Meanwhile Minnesota has had just the last 2 weeks games home and @ Green Bay where the game time temp was in the 10-20 range. It takes a while for you to get used to that.

Well, my hypothesis is that there is no such thing as "getting used to it". I don't think humans are capable of getting used to such cold. Yes, they've endured it recently, whereas Seattle has not.

I could be well wrong. But my feeling is that it's effect is exaggerated. The MN players aren't living, breathing and sleeping in the cold 24/7. They live, train and probably practice indoors for most of the time.