(11-30-2015 10:39 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 10:30 AM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 10:18 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  

(11-29-2015 05:07 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(11-29-2015 03:09 PM)stever20 Wrote:  loving this Redskins game today. 17-0. If we beat the Cowboys next week, we would lock up just about every tiebreaker in the division.

why would you want to win? You're just gonna lose in the first round of the playoffs and end up with a sh*tty draft pick. I'm so glad the Giants lost. I want something around the 12th pick, not the 20th

The NFL draft is a crapshoot. A good GM makes his salary in the 2nd-5th rounds by drafting good depth and building the "meat" of the team.

Also, if the Redskins get hot and finish 9-7 they will have a respectable WC profile since their conference record is quite good (5-3 vs. NFC teams). This is important since the Giants have gotten really hot late in the season before.

There are no good QB prospects coming out (and I'm talking about proper top-15 pick QBs). Washington will re-sign Cousins.

The playoffs are what you draft to get into. Carolina snuck in at 7-8-1 last year and look at them now.

Some of the worst teams in this league have stockpiled picks and flopped on nearly all of them. The Rams were given the farm for RG3, and they lost to 4th-round Kirk by 14 in DC.

all true, and yet I'd still rather get a top 15 pick, than a bottom 15 pick. And that goes for any sport. Worked for the Astros, Thunder, Giants (both sports), Nationals, Cavs, etc. Teams can certainly be built without high draft picks, but I'd still much rather have a shot at the top talent.If a GM is going to screw up a top 10 pick, chances are he's going to screw up a 20-30 pick as well.

And how can you say Goff is not a proper top-15 QB? I've seen comparisons to Eli Manning and Matt Ryan and a legitimate top 5 grade.

He needs to be mentored for 2 years at a team with a decent QB already. Cal's offense does have some pro elements in it - so I think he can translate to the NFL.

He's too skinny for the NFL right now, and needs to add 15-20 to his really thin frame (he'd still be small even after those gains).

He's going to have a future, but if he's drafted too high into a team that MUST play him now then he's going to fail. He's the type of player that should be able to age like wine.

He's a good QB in waiting, but not a franchise saver. If the Skins didn't have Cousins, I would welcome Goff + a veteran to teach him how to play football.

I'm not going to pretend I'm a scout. I simply go by what Matt Miller posts about him. He's the NFL draft scout I trust the most. Beyond that, I really have no opinion.

just was seeing a mock draft- and that had Goff going 5th to San Fran. Giants even with 5 wins won't be a top 5 pick.

You bring up the Astros, Thunder, Giants, Nats, Cavs. They were getting top 3-4 picks. That is a HUGE difference compared to getting a pick in the 13-18 range.

Case in point- look at your Oklahoma City team....
2007 #2 Durant
2008 #4 Westbrook
2009 #3 Harden

(11-30-2015 02:57 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Case in point- look at your Oklahoma City team....
2007 #2 Durant
2008 #4 Westbrook
2009 #3 Harden

to be fair the NBA is a bit different. There are only 2 rounds, and after a certain pick it becomes very difficult to find someone who can even start. If you don't get a top 5 pick it becomes very difficult to find a game changer. It's literally impossible to build a contender if you're constantly picking around #15. Right now there's a clear line of demarcation between the Top 4 teams in the league and the next tier, and the best players from each of those teams were top 7 picks.

As different as the NBA is, baseball is even moreso. The distance between the draft and debuting in the Major Leagues is so vast as to render much of the draft a crap shoot. That said, it still helps to get a top 10 pick. Harper, Posey, Correa, Bryant, Kershaw, Price, Gordon, Harvey, etc. And in baseball you there's an extra incentive for having a top 10 pick

And I never expected the Giants to get a top 10 pick. But just like I was glad the Thunder missed the playoffs last year, I'd rather have the Giants get something like the 10th pick than the 20th. That said, I'd rather make the playoffs and get the 20th pick, than miss it and get like #15.

But the thing the Giants need the most is health. They were missing 4 of their starting OL yesterday, and the only healthy one is a rookie playing out of position at LT. Of course there's also a complete lack of talent, especially int he pass rush and LB core

something to file away:
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
NFL told team execs at this weeks owners meetings that 2016 salary cap projects between $150-$153.4 million, per sources. Cap now $143.28M

So maybe a 10 million dollar jump.

(12-04-2015 05:58 PM)stever20 Wrote:  something to file away:
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
NFL told team execs at this weeks owners meetings that 2016 salary cap projects between $150-$153.4 million, per sources. Cap now $143.28M

So maybe a 10 million dollar jump.

jeez that's a lot. Curious to see what the Giants would do. They have a decent amount available

The Falcons have fallen and can't get up. Matty Ice and the offense are only averaging only 23 ppg

(12-07-2015 09:38 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  The Falcons have fallen and can't get up. Matty Ice and the offense are only averaging only 23 ppg

Remember when the Falcons were 5-0 and all their fans were yelling Superbowl? That team is always going to be soft, doesn't matter who their coach is.

Another one of those wonderful NFL teams. 21 of which are under .500. I'm surprised NFL is still so popular. The quality of play has really dropped off over the past 5 seasons.

(12-19-2015 03:33 PM)wh49er Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 09:38 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  The Falcons have fallen and can't get up. Matty Ice and the offense are only averaging only 23 ppg

Remember when the Falcons were 5-0 and all their fans were yelling Superbowl? That team is always going to be soft, doesn't matter who their coach is.

Well the defense has improved, but the offense has collapsed. I'm not really sure if it's The OC or Ryan becoming a turnover machine

Redskins I think next week with a win clinches the east.

(12-20-2015 06:14 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Redskins I think next week with a win clinches the east.

I think Kirk Cousin's has played his way into at least a $17 million contract. It will be interesting to see who is interested in RGIII this off season and if he is willing to actually be coached.

definitely with Cousins I think. He looked real good yesterday....

RG3 will be fascinating to watch. I could see Philly being interested in him.

(12-21-2015 10:56 AM)stever20 Wrote:  definitely with Cousins I think. He looked real good yesterday....

RG3 will be fascinating to watch. I could see Philly being interested in him.

Chip will have RG3, Kapernick and JFF to chose from to head is offense in 2016. I think that will be has last chance to prove he is the genius everyone states.

Chip Kelly fired from the Eagles. Wow.

(12-29-2015 07:28 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Chip Kelly fired from the Eagles. Wow.

OK coach, terrible GM.

(12-30-2015 06:17 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 07:28 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Chip Kelly fired from the Eagles. Wow.

OK coach, terrible GM.

He's a really good coach, but like Mike Shanahan, he was his own worst enemy as the guy in control of player personnel.

(12-30-2015 12:24 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 06:17 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 07:28 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Chip Kelly fired from the Eagles. Wow.

OK coach, terrible GM.

He's a really good coach, but like Mike Shanahan, he was his own worst enemy as the guy in control of player personnel.

On the pro level I think the jury's still out regarding his competency. I think his hurry up approach only worked against his defense and Kelly underrated the closing speed of NFL secondary's. I think he is probably a good QB coach.

(12-30-2015 12:24 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 06:17 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 07:28 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Chip Kelly fired from the Eagles. Wow.

OK coach, terrible GM.

He's a really good coach, but like Mike Shanahan, he was his own worst enemy as the guy in control of player personnel.

I dunno. Shanahan did draft Kurt Cousins who looks like he could be a great NFL QB. Alfred Morris too. Also got Ryan Kerrigan the year before.

(12-30-2015 02:24 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 12:24 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 06:17 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 07:28 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Chip Kelly fired from the Eagles. Wow.

OK coach, terrible GM.

He's a really good coach, but like Mike Shanahan, he was his own worst enemy as the guy in control of player personnel.

I dunno. Shanahan did draft Kurt Cousins who looks like he could be a great NFL QB. Alfred Morris too. Also got Ryan Kerrigan the year before.

Ha, Shanahan is probably going around this year telling everyone that he drafted Cousins - he's hoping that people will forget that he also gave away the store to get RG3. He's also hoping that people will forget that he inherited a team ready to win Super Bowls in Denver and then, when he got full control after winning the Super Bowls, he diminished the roster year by year with bad drafts and questionable free agent signings.