(08-14-2015 12:56 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  The whole, unedited videos are available. You are unbelievably dense. Quit using that tired old crap.

not dense... He's obtuse and dishonest but not stupid.

(08-14-2015 01:12 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 12:54 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 12:47 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 12:20 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 11:21 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Other than haggling over prices and "market rates"... Yea no evidence at all..

That is not evidence of making money. The tissue just doesn't move from Point A to Points B and C free of charge. It has to be kept viable and there is a cost associated with that.

If all you're doing is covering costs tom then you do not care about market rates. We've been over this but you're playing dumb because it's easier to carry water that way.

Sorry BIE, I'm not playing dumb. And I'm not playing emotional. I'm playing rational and properly.

Factually document that PP is making money from the tissue, an illegal activity, and I'll 100% condemn them.

No. You would not. You're not intellectually honest enough. I think Mach might but not you.

Well...gee. If I'm not intellectually honest enough for you than why are you even conversing with me? Sorry, but until you provide the evidence I guess you'll just have to put me on ignore then.

(08-14-2015 01:13 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  You've been perpetuating this argument for how long and you haven't even watched the damn videos?

I guess it's easier just to keep your head buried in the sand.

BECAUSE
THEY
DON'T
PROVE
ANYTHING
AND
ARE
NOT
VALID
DEMONSTRATIVE
EVIDENCE

You need to show the illegal activity occurring...not just some sap being duped into talking about in probably an illegally obtained video.

(08-14-2015 01:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 01:12 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 12:54 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 12:47 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 12:20 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  That is not evidence of making money. The tissue just doesn't move from Point A to Points B and C free of charge. It has to be kept viable and there is a cost associated with that.

If all you're doing is covering costs tom then you do not care about market rates. We've been over this but you're playing dumb because it's easier to carry water that way.

Sorry BIE, I'm not playing dumb. And I'm not playing emotional. I'm playing rational and properly.

Factually document that PP is making money from the tissue, an illegal activity, and I'll 100% condemn them.

No. You would not. You're not intellectually honest enough. I think Mach might but not you.

Well...gee. If I'm not intellectually honest enough for you than why are you even conversing with me? Sorry, but until you provide the evidence I guess you'll just have to put me on ignore then.

Fair enough...

(08-14-2015 01:14 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 12:56 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  The whole, unedited videos are available. You are unbelievably dense. Quit using that tired old crap.

not dense... He's obtuse and dishonest but not stupid.

Show me one thing I've been dishonest about?

(08-14-2015 01:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 01:13 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  You've been perpetuating this argument for how long and you haven't even watched the damn videos?

I guess it's easier just to keep your head buried in the sand.

BECAUSE
THEY
DON'T
PROVE
ANYTHING
AND
ARE
NOT
VALID
DEMONSTRATIVE
EVIDENCE

YOU HAVEN'T EVEN WATCHED THEM.

Are you that big of a media sheep that you're basing your opinion completely off the liberal sites that you frequent?

(08-14-2015 01:34 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 01:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 01:13 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  You've been perpetuating this argument for how long and you haven't even watched the damn videos?

I guess it's easier just to keep your head buried in the sand.

BECAUSE
THEY
DON'T
PROVE
ANYTHING
AND
ARE
NOT
VALID
DEMONSTRATIVE
EVIDENCE

YOU HAVEN'T EVEN WATCHED THEM.

Are you that big of a media sheep that you're basing your opinion completely off the liberal sites that you frequent?

Nope...I've read several sources saying the same thing. Not to mention that Indiana has already investigated their PP offices and found no violations of law.

Again, show me a credible investigation...or conviction...and then we'll talk.

Indiana PP didn't violate law so you've reached your conclusions.

Welp.

(08-13-2015 11:45 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 02:11 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 01:21 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Obviously, the babies in utero cannot speak for themselves. However, what would they prefer if you would ask people who were unplanned pregnancies born into broken homes, adopted out or put into the foster care system the question on whether you would rather have been born or killed in utero? I think virtually everyone conceived in during an inconvenient time or under traumatic circumstances would be more than happy to roll the dice and HOPE that they end up with parents that would love them - even if the chances are 50/50 that they would end up with dysfunctional parents or foster parents. That's the fundamental flaw in Mach's views on abortion. All he can think about is how a pregnancy affects those around him and doesn't even consider the needs of the most important person in the discussion - the baby itself.

How is a small cluster of cells more important than the mother?

Understand that compared to a blue whale we're all just a small cluster of cells..

No we aren't.

(08-14-2015 01:51 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Indiana PP didn't violate law so you've reached your conclusions.

Welp.

Why do you continue to be purposely obtuse?

I never said anything of the sort. I only cite that because it's the only actual legitimate investigation into any wrongdoing by PP so far regarding this.

Excuse me for actually relying on actual evidence to reach conclusions.

(08-14-2015 01:09 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 12:56 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  The whole, unedited videos are available. You are unbelievably dense. Quit using that tired old crap.

Yes. But why then release the edited ones to begin with? And why show them to congressional Republicans weeks before their release?

And I don't have the time (or the desire really) to watch them. But I've read the reports from those who have and the unbiased ones say they prove little.

Unbiased to whom? Other than yourself, of course.

(08-13-2015 01:21 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Obviously, the babies in utero cannot speak for themselves. However, what would they prefer if you would ask people who were unplanned pregnancies born into broken homes, adopted out or put into the foster care system the question on whether you would rather have been born or killed in utero? I think virtually everyone conceived in during an inconvenient time or under traumatic circumstances would be more than happy to roll the dice and HOPE that they end up with parents that would love them - even if the chances are 50/50 that they would end up with dysfunctional parents or foster parents. That's the fundamental flaw in Mach's views on abortion. All he can think about is how a pregnancy affects those around him and doesn't even consider the needs of the most important person in the discussion - the baby itself.

What about all the babies that weren't conceived? Wouldn't they prefer to live too? They must be even more important.

(08-14-2015 03:58 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  What about all the babies that weren't conceived? Wouldn't they prefer to live too? They must be even more important.

You really can't be that dim to try and make that argument.
No conception = no baby

(08-14-2015 03:58 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  What about all the babies that weren't conceived? Wouldn't they prefer to live too? They must be even more important.

You you honestly believe that you position logically follows the pro life position you're an you have an 1D-10T error..

(08-14-2015 08:52 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 08:49 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 07:16 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Do as you please. Just be aware if you have an abortion, you are a baby murdering worthless pos. But hey, if you can live with that.

I think you may be correct. But that's not a reason why it should be illegal.

smh

I think there's a real chance that a woman who has an abortion will burn in hell for it. But that's between her and God. It's not the state's province to intervene.

When it comes to killing, why should there be an exception from the state for babies?

(08-14-2015 07:20 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 08:52 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 08:49 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 07:16 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Do as you please. Just be aware if you have an abortion, you are a baby murdering worthless pos. But hey, if you can live with that.

I think you may be correct. But that's not a reason why it should be illegal.

smh

I think there's a real chance that a woman who has an abortion will burn in hell for it. But that's between her and God. It's not the state's province to intervene.

It is my understanding that if you repent for your sins, God will forgive you.

(08-14-2015 11:10 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 07:20 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 08:52 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 08:49 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 07:16 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Do as you please. Just be aware if you have an abortion, you are a baby murdering worthless pos. But hey, if you can live with that.

I think you may be correct. But that's not a reason why it should be illegal.

smh

I think there's a real chance that a woman who has an abortion will burn in hell for it. But that's between her and God. It's not the state's province to intervene.

It is my understanding that if you repent for your sins, God will forgive you.

And what is your understanding of the word repent?

(08-14-2015 11:31 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 11:10 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 07:20 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 08:52 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 08:49 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I think you may be correct. But that's not a reason why it should be illegal.

smh

I think there's a real chance that a woman who has an abortion will burn in hell for it. But that's between her and God. It's not the state's province to intervene.

It is my understanding that if you repent for your sins, God will forgive you.

And what is your understanding of the word repent?

If you are truly sorry for what you did wrong, God will forgive you.