http://www.buzzfeed.com/virginiahughes/b...tal-tissue

Ah oh. Carson's got you worried.

(08-13-2015 08:02 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  http://www.buzzfeed.com/virginiahughes/b...tal-tissue

A very smart, caring and worthwhile candidate. Would smoke any dim in any debate. Wish the best for him... win the nomination or not.

I think he missed an opportunity to use the debate as a platform. It's most certainly not a Carson's got me worried post. You mistake my intentions. To tell you the truth he comes off to me as a person of character. I watched his breakfast speech in front of Obama. His idea of a 401k approach to the end of life issues was especially intriguing. Somehow someway we have to get past the turf fights and actually try to discuss the issues. If you don't think a GOP candidate who actually used fetal tissues in research efforts is not newsworthy. I hope it's brought up in the debates. It's a unique insight. Did he have a road to Jericho moment?

It would be my hope that he would tell how much insight he gained off of studying it. Would he actually be a man of character even though it would hurt his candidacy? We are never honest about the issues and it disgusts me actually. I see shades of grey in a back and white world.

Mach do you think anyone here has an issue with medical research? Is that the straw man you're selling?

If you get past the attempt to smear carson he did not say medical research was callous what he said was that it's disturbing that some don't see the "callousness with which we are treating human life."

Carson could be the wildcard.

(08-13-2015 08:45 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  It would be my hope that he would tell how much insight he gained off of studying it. Would he actually be a man of character even though it would hurt his candidacy? We are never honest about the issues and it disgusts me actually. I see shades of grey in a back and white world.

you mean like the denial that PP is making money on this which is, of course, a crime?

Love matters. Love is what matters most in life. Ten fold to all other factors. A child conceived in love has a chance. A neglected child is behind the 8 ball from the beginning. Its hard for me to understand the point of wanting more neglected children. Our services are swamped folks. I'm seeing it. You have children services being called on kids Ina pediatric Intensive Care Unit. We are flooded with poor neglected uncared for kids. I'm willing to listen but please come up with more than just prolife.

I think the fatal error in people who are pro life is that they think the children they would potentially save will be loved like they love their own children. It would never work out that way. If a mother is saying she can't handle the pregnancy. She can't raise the child. She will resent the child that she is forced to carry. It would be disastrous in Today's day and age. We read horrendous things in the paper. We see riots monthly. Put a million more neglected kids on the system a year.

People need to just stop having kids if you can't afford them ( on the gov't tit ).

Or save some money, get yourself established in a career ......... have a network of family members and friends who you can lean on for support.

People who have children just so they have love in their life are weak people. When the weak repopulate you become a weak nation!

We as a nation reward WEAK citizens! How **** up is that!!!!

(08-13-2015 09:07 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Love matters. Love is what matters most in life. Ten fold to all other factors. A child conceived in love has a chance. A neglected child is behind the 8 ball from the beginning.

irrelevant to the discussion at hand..

Quote:Its hard for me to understand the point of wanting more neglected children.

irrelevant to the discussion at hand..

Quote:Our services are swamped folks. I'm seeing it. You have children services being called on kids Ina pediatric Intensive Care Unit.

irrelevant to the discussion at hand..

Quote:We are flooded with poor neglected uncared for kids. I'm willing to listen but please come up with more than just prolife.

irrelevant to the discussion at hand..

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A liberal site twist what Carson said so it looks like he is a hypocrite. They did this to minimize law breaking and callousness on the part of planned parenthood. You lapped it up and posted here.

When confronted you pivot over to "If you love then you think abortion is ok"..

(08-13-2015 09:15 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I think the fatal error in people who are pro life is that they think the children they would potentially save will be loved like they love their own children. It would never work out that way. If a mother is saying she can't handle the pregnancy. She can't raise the child. She will resent the child that she is forced to carry. It would be disastrous in Today's day and age. We read horrendous things in the paper. We see riots monthly. Put a million more neglected kids on the system a year.

I can't say I know a single woman who had an un-planned pregnancy and carried it anyway doesn't love the resultant child. What you're seeing at the hospital isn't the norm.

(08-13-2015 09:15 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I think the fatal error in people who are pro life is that they think the children they would potentially save will be loved like they love their own children.

I think the fatal error in people who are pro choice is that they think the value of an individual is derived from the affection, admiration, and value imparted by others on that child.

A person born of rape is just as much a human being and has just as much value as my kids.

Quote:If a mother is saying she can't handle the pregnancy. She can't raise the child. She will resent the child that she is forced to carry.

Make adoption easier... Speaking as someone born to a person who was adopted...

Quote:It would be disastrous in Today's day and age. We read horrendous things in the paper. We see riots monthly. Put a million more neglected kids on the system a year.

In point of fact most kids aborted are not conceived in poverty. Also in point of fact most people who think a child has to be "planned and wanted" in order to be loved are fools.

Throughout history most kids were not planned and many were not wanted. Yet at Birth they found love with their parents.

I was the seventh and unplanned child to a woman in her mid 30's (old at the time to have a kid). She *WEPT* when she realized she was pregnant. Her other kids were all over ten and she believed that she was done with diapers, done with tantrums, bottles, and mid night feedings.

Then I was born and there was love.

My situation is not unique, nor is it relevant to that fact that ALL HUMAN LIFE, even neglected unloved life, is of equal value.

You can't make that choice for others Bull. I know in your heart you think you should be able to but it would lead to a disastrous outcome. We are having problems today with unemployment. Troubles today with poverty. With technology taking over more and more unskilled jobs and the shrinking job pool. Give me a 100 people eating steaks over ten thousand people in famine EVERY SINGLE DAY.

(08-13-2015 08:41 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I think he missed an opportunity to use the debate as a platform. It's most certainly not a Carson's got me worried post. You mistake my intentions. To tell you the truth he comes off to me as a person of character. I watched his breakfast speech in front of Obama. His idea of a 401k approach to the end of life issues was especially intriguing. Somehow someway we have to get past the turf fights and actually try to discuss the issues. If you don't think a GOP candidate who actually used fetal tissues in research efforts is not newsworthy. I hope it's brought up in the debates. It's a unique insight. Did he have a road to Jericho moment?

Mach, why did you reply to my post? You told me you put me on ignore. Were you lying or was it just a 30 day suspension?

As far as Jericho, let's just say maybe he was on the same road as the President was when Obammy changed his mind on gay marriage.

(08-13-2015 08:05 AM)tigertom Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 08:02 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  http://www.buzzfeed.com/virginiahughes/b...tal-tissue

A very smart, caring and worthwhile candidate. Would smoke any dim in any debate. Wish the best for him... win the nomination or not.

Yes...Carson would smoke any candidate in a debate on brain surgery.

On the economy...foreign policy...etc...not so much.

And face it. A child conceived in love will be better able to compete. Competition is our future. We are going into a Darwinian existence. Families of seven? They will be extinct. You won't be able to provide. Put a neglected kid in a concrete jungle. Suffering and inhumane treatment is in his future.

(08-13-2015 09:36 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You can't make that choice for others Bull. I know in your heart you think you should be able to but it would lead to a disastrous outcome.

More disastrous than finding the best way to crunch a baby to rip it apart and sell its pieces to the highest bidder?

(08-13-2015 09:04 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 08:45 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  It would be my hope that he would tell how much insight he gained off of studying it. Would he actually be a man of character even though it would hurt his candidacy? We are never honest about the issues and it disgusts me actually. I see shades of grey in a back and white world.

you mean like the denial that PP is making money on this which is, of course, a crime?

Denying something that you're not doing and that no one has proven otherwise is a crime?