(08-13-2015 03:30 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 12:55 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 12:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 12:36 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 11:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  How are they forcing black women to have abortions?

They aren't. Who even said that?

Well...then gee. Why did you say "yes" to "The left uses abortion for population control on blacks." then?

I consider Planned Degeneracy a part of the left, so it holds some water.

Non sequitur.

You're subscribing to a notion that there is some systematic agenda to curtail the population of blacks. Just because one cities numbers alone fit that bill it in no way proves any sort of intent on the whole organization.

Not sure you even know what that means if you think what I said is a non-sequitur.

Planned Degeneracy was formed for reasons just like you described above. It was. Deal with it. Margaret Sanger and Co were savages.

Yes, I cite numbers. Numbers that you overlook, dismiss, or simply cannot process. There is an abortion problem in the black community due to out of control promiscuity and glorification of degenerate behavior. Not that it's limited to them, because whites are hopping on that train too. Planned Degeneracy not only contributes to that problem by strategically placing their "clinics" in low-income black communities, but their founder were extremely racist scumbags who simply wanted less black people in the United States.

I mean....it is what it is.

(08-13-2015 03:31 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 03:27 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 03:20 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 02:11 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  small cluster of cells

Guy who hasn't seen the videos hasn't seen the videos.

If a fetus is more important than the mother, then we can't allow any abortions even for the life of the mother.

When the it's either "the fetus or the woman," the woman ALWAYS has a choice. Whether she is 10 weeks or full-term. My wife told me before she gave birth to our son to "if it for some reason comes to this, don't even think about it, just choose him."

But are we really going to sit here and justify 100% of abortions because of a tiny, tiny percentage of them occur because of a danger to the mother?

Just trying to figure out where the line is, if there is one. So the instant the egg is fertilized it becomes human even though it can't feel anything because it isn't developed yet?

(08-13-2015 03:36 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 03:30 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 12:55 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 12:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 12:36 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  They aren't. Who even said that?

Well...then gee. Why did you say "yes" to "The left uses abortion for population control on blacks." then?

I consider Planned Degeneracy a part of the left, so it holds some water.

Non sequitur.

You're subscribing to a notion that there is some systematic agenda to curtail the population of blacks. Just because one cities numbers alone fit that bill it in no way proves any sort of intent on the whole organization.

Not sure you even know what that means if you think what I said is a non-sequitur.

Planned Degeneracy was formed for reasons just like you described above. It was. Deal with it. Margaret Sanger and Co were savages.

Yes, I cite numbers. Numbers that you overlook, dismiss, or simply cannot process. There is an abortion problem in the black community due to out of control promiscuity and glorification of degenerate behavior. Not that it's limited to them, because whites are hopping on that train too. Planned Degeneracy not only contributes to that problem by strategically placing their "clinics" in low-income black communities, but their founder were extremely racist scumbags who simply wanted less black people in the United States.

I mean....it is what it is.

First, please tell me that you're actually using legitimate quotes and information from Sanger and not long debunked internet memes.

Secondly, I've not once overlooked the numbers.

Third, I know abortion is a "problem" in the black community. However, abortion numbers are down across the country, aren't they?

Lastly, you still are not providing one shred of proof of this being some grand scheme of "the left" to control the population of blacks. Just give up that ghost and we can move on.

Finally, a non sequitur is a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement. There is no logical flow from blacks getting more abortions than giving birth to the left trying to control the population of blacks. You're not proving any intent from PP other than Sanger's words from nearly 100 years ago!

(08-13-2015 03:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 03:36 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 03:30 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 12:55 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 12:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Well...then gee. Why did you say "yes" to "The left uses abortion for population control on blacks." then?

I consider Planned Degeneracy a part of the left, so it holds some water.

Non sequitur.

You're subscribing to a notion that there is some systematic agenda to curtail the population of blacks. Just because one cities numbers alone fit that bill it in no way proves any sort of intent on the whole organization.

Not sure you even know what that means if you think what I said is a non-sequitur.

Planned Degeneracy was formed for reasons just like you described above. It was. Deal with it. Margaret Sanger and Co were savages.

Yes, I cite numbers. Numbers that you overlook, dismiss, or simply cannot process. There is an abortion problem in the black community due to out of control promiscuity and glorification of degenerate behavior. Not that it's limited to them, because whites are hopping on that train too. Planned Degeneracy not only contributes to that problem by strategically placing their "clinics" in low-income black communities, but their founder were extremely racist scumbags who simply wanted less black people in the United States.

I mean....it is what it is.

First, please tell me that you're actually using legitimate quotes and information from Sanger and not long debunked internet memes.

Secondly, I've not once overlooked the numbers.

Third, I know abortion is a "problem" in the black community. However, abortion numbers are down across the country, aren't they?

Lastly, you still are not providing one shred of proof of this being some grand scheme of "the left" to control the population of blacks. Just give up that ghost and we can move on.

Finally, a non sequitur is a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement. There is no logical flow from blacks getting more abortions than giving birth to the left trying to control the population of blacks. You're not proving any intent from PP other than Sanger's words from nearly 100 years ago!

I'm not proving any intent from PP except the the words of their founders and their mission statements regarding the organization paired with the disproportionate killing of black babies by PP. Sanger and Co wanted to control the black population, and their degenerate organization provided the means for this. It certainly isn't a RIGHTIST organization, now is it?

But I'm not proving any intent.

Wellllllll alllllrighty then.

(08-13-2015 03:53 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 03:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 03:36 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 03:30 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 12:55 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  I consider Planned Degeneracy a part of the left, so it holds some water.

Non sequitur.

You're subscribing to a notion that there is some systematic agenda to curtail the population of blacks. Just because one cities numbers alone fit that bill it in no way proves any sort of intent on the whole organization.

Not sure you even know what that means if you think what I said is a non-sequitur.

Planned Degeneracy was formed for reasons just like you described above. It was. Deal with it. Margaret Sanger and Co were savages.

Yes, I cite numbers. Numbers that you overlook, dismiss, or simply cannot process. There is an abortion problem in the black community due to out of control promiscuity and glorification of degenerate behavior. Not that it's limited to them, because whites are hopping on that train too. Planned Degeneracy not only contributes to that problem by strategically placing their "clinics" in low-income black communities, but their founder were extremely racist scumbags who simply wanted less black people in the United States.

I mean....it is what it is.

First, please tell me that you're actually using legitimate quotes and information from Sanger and not long debunked internet memes.

Secondly, I've not once overlooked the numbers.

Third, I know abortion is a "problem" in the black community. However, abortion numbers are down across the country, aren't they?

Lastly, you still are not providing one shred of proof of this being some grand scheme of "the left" to control the population of blacks. Just give up that ghost and we can move on.

Finally, a non sequitur is a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement. There is no logical flow from blacks getting more abortions than giving birth to the left trying to control the population of blacks. You're not proving any intent from PP other than Sanger's words from nearly 100 years ago!

I'm not proving any intent from PP except the the words of their founders and their mission statements regarding the organization paired with the disproportionate killing of black babies by PP. Sanger and Co wanted to control the black population, and their degenerate organization provided the means for this. It certainly isn't a RIGHTIST organization, now is it?

But I'm not proving any intent.

Wellllllll alllllrighty then.

You do realize Sanger died in 1966 don't you? 49 years ago. And most of the furor over stuff she said was said in the 20's and 30's. That wasn't exactly an era of equality between blacks and whites.

And again...what are you pointing to as to her wishes to control the black population via abortion? She was mostly an advocate for just good old birth control.

There's a lot of internet lies attributed to her. I don't know if you're basing your conclusions on those lies or actual known things.

For instance...this is a lie:

http://m.snopes.com/margaret-sanger-weeds/

Please read this:
Opposition Claims About Margaret Sanger

And no, you are not proving intent. You're taking a statistic and fitting it to your belief with no evidence other than likely made-up quotes from decades ago.

(08-13-2015 02:11 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 01:21 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Obviously, the babies in utero cannot speak for themselves. However, what would they prefer if you would ask people who were unplanned pregnancies born into broken homes, adopted out or put into the foster care system the question on whether you would rather have been born or killed in utero? I think virtually everyone conceived in during an inconvenient time or under traumatic circumstances would be more than happy to roll the dice and HOPE that they end up with parents that would love them - even if the chances are 50/50 that they would end up with dysfunctional parents or foster parents. That's the fundamental flaw in Mach's views on abortion. All he can think about is how a pregnancy affects those around him and doesn't even consider the needs of the most important person in the discussion - the baby itself.

How is a small cluster of cells more important than the mother?

Understand that compared to a blue whale we're all just a small cluster of cells..

I haven't read the entire thread because I just don't have the patience...

So, let let me just say, yes... SJW here, and I don't give a flying f*ck... My body, my uterus, my choice.

If you don't like the idea of abortion... Don't ******* get one... It is really that simple.
HIIPA, Seriously, it really is that simple.

If I have something that isn't normal for me... I go to my doctor, he says, you're pregnant. I decide what should be done. (Not a simple choice... One that MAY require input from the father.... If I deem him worthy) I make a decision, and I... Me... One person... Not you!. Not your ******* God, not your mother, not your ....whatever.... I.... Make a decision that I live with... So, **** off and quit trying to decide for me.

Whew!!! I feel so much better now.

Sorry. If you want to show me vids of little precious baby parts.... It has no effect on me. I really don't give a ****.... They are just parts. Save your morral righteousness for someone who gives a ****....

(08-14-2015 01:23 AM)Leargh! Wrote:  I haven't read the entire thread because I just don't have the patience...

So, let let me just say, yes... SJW here, and I don't give a flying f*ck... My body, my uterus, my choice.

If you don't like the idea of abortion... Don't ******* get one... It is really that simple.
HIIPA, Seriously, it really is that simple.

If I have something that isn't normal for me... I go to my doctor, he says, you're pregnant. I decide what should be done. (Not a simple choice... One that MAY require input from the father.... If I deem him worthy) I make a decision, and I... Me... One person... Not you!. Not your ******* God, not your mother, not your ....whatever.... I.... Make a decision that I live with... So, **** off and quit trying to decide for me.

Whew!!! I feel so much better now.

Sorry. If you want to show me vids of little precious baby parts.... It has no effect on me. I really don't give a ****.... They are just parts. Save your morral righteousness for someone who gives a ****....

You started off so well...

(08-14-2015 01:23 AM)Leargh! Wrote:  I haven't read the entire thread because I just don't have the patience...

So, let let me just say, yes... SJW here, and I don't give a flying f*ck... My body, my uterus, my choice.

If you don't like the idea of abortion... Don't ******* get one... It is really that simple.
HIIPA, Seriously, it really is that simple.

If I have something that isn't normal for me... I go to my doctor, he says, you're pregnant. I decide what should be done. (Not a simple choice... One that MAY require input from the father.... If I deem him worthy) I make a decision, and I... Me... One person... Not you!. Not your ******* God, not your mother, not your ....whatever.... I.... Make a decision that I live with... So, **** off and quit trying to decide for me.

Whew!!! I feel so much better now.

Sorry. If you want to show me vids of little precious baby parts.... It has no effect on me. I really don't give a ****.... They are just parts. Save your morral righteousness for someone who gives a ****....

Do as you please. Just be aware if you have an abortion, you are a baby murdering worthless pos. But hey, if you can live with that.

(08-14-2015 01:23 AM)Leargh! Wrote:  Sorry. If you want to show me vids of little precious baby parts.... It has no effect on me. I really don't give a ****.... They are just parts. Save your morral righteousness for someone who gives a ****....

Take note everyone, this is the logical conclusion of the pro choice argument. Selfish nihilism

(08-14-2015 01:23 AM)Leargh! Wrote:  I haven't read the entire thread because I just don't have the patience...

So, let let me just say, yes... SJW here, and I don't give a flying f*ck... My body, my uterus, my choice.

If you don't like the idea of abortion... Don't ******* get one... It is really that simple.
HIIPA, Seriously, it really is that simple.

If I have something that isn't normal for me... I go to my doctor, he says, you're pregnant. I decide what should be done. (Not a simple choice... One that MAY require input from the father.... If I deem him worthy) I make a decision, and I... Me... One person... Not you!. Not your ******* God, not your mother, not your ....whatever.... I.... Make a decision that I live with... So, **** off and quit trying to decide for me.

Whew!!! I feel so much better now.

understand nobody cares what you do with your ladyy parts. Truth be known I'd prefer you not breed. At least not until you grow up a bit and stop being so self centered.

However when you get an abortion you are committing a homicide against someone else. Perhaps imposing your will on their lady parts.

It's utterly barbaric that we slaughter children in the womb.

(08-14-2015 01:23 AM)Leargh! Wrote:  I haven't read the entire thread because I just don't have the patience...

So, let let me just say, yes... SJW here, and I don't give a flying f*ck... My body, my uterus, my choice.

If you don't like the idea of abortion... Don't ******* get one... It is really that simple.
HIIPA, Seriously, it really is that simple.

If I have something that isn't normal for me... I go to my doctor, he says, you're pregnant. I decide what should be done. (Not a simple choice... One that MAY require input from the father.... If I deem him worthy) I make a decision, and I... Me... One person... Not you!. Not your ******* God, not your mother, not your ....whatever.... I.... Make a decision that I live with... So, **** off and quit trying to decide for me.

Whew!!! I feel so much better now.

Sorry. If you want to show me vids of little precious baby parts.... It has no effect on me. I really don't give a ****.... They are just parts. Save your morral righteousness for someone who gives a ****....

(08-13-2015 02:18 PM)hoopfan Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 01:02 PM)Hitch Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 12:59 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 12:48 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 09:49 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Whats really funny here Mach is that my desire to be pro life stems from a believe in the fundamental rights of an individual. I feel no need to up and justify it with analogies of steak and famine.

You seem to be rooting yourself in the "It's better for jobs, prosperity, and the like". IOW you are putting society over the individual and I am doing the opposite. One of us sounds like a eugenicists and the other does not..

Come on Bull. We know that isn't true. We aren't stupid. It is about religion for you and a large number that post here.

Rob's you're such a fool..

Where I draw my conclusion that its a life in the womb does not in any way take away from the fact that my opposition to Abortion is based on its status and rights as a human life the same as me.

I happen to know pro life atheist.

I'm non religious but personally opposed to abortion after twenty weeks. I'm also just fine with leaving laws the way they are and focusing on more important issues that don't involve the government getting involved in personal medical decisions.

why 20 weeks? that is half way through the pregnancy.

if she doesn't have a period in two months (9 weeks) she needs to go pee on a stick fast.

My major problem with 20 weeks is that viability is never used as a measure of human rights. Its sets a bar in which one can logically argue an old person who needs constant dialysis can have treatment stopped by another (or the government) based on their non viability.

It also tied our view a a human with rights to the level of technology present.

I respect where you're coming from though. At the end of the day this discussion will move forward constructively when we stop the brow beating about hating women and begin to realize the only relevant thing is "When is a baby a person".

(08-14-2015 07:16 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 01:23 AM)Leargh! Wrote:  I haven't read the entire thread because I just don't have the patience...

So, let let me just say, yes... SJW here, and I don't give a flying f*ck... My body, my uterus, my choice.

If you don't like the idea of abortion... Don't ******* get one... It is really that simple.
HIIPA, Seriously, it really is that simple.

If I have something that isn't normal for me... I go to my doctor, he says, you're pregnant. I decide what should be done. (Not a simple choice... One that MAY require input from the father.... If I deem him worthy) I make a decision, and I... Me... One person... Not you!. Not your ******* God, not your mother, not your ....whatever.... I.... Make a decision that I live with... So, **** off and quit trying to decide for me.

Whew!!! I feel so much better now.

Sorry. If you want to show me vids of little precious baby parts.... It has no effect on me. I really don't give a ****.... They are just parts. Save your morral righteousness for someone who gives a ****....

Do as you please. Just be aware if you have an abortion, you are a baby murdering worthless pos. But hey, if you can live with that.

I actually agree with this.

(08-14-2015 07:16 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Do as you please. Just be aware if you have an abortion, you are a baby murdering worthless pos. But hey, if you can live with that.

I think you may be correct. But that's not a reason why it should be illegal.

(08-14-2015 08:49 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 07:16 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Do as you please. Just be aware if you have an abortion, you are a baby murdering worthless pos. But hey, if you can live with that.

I think you may be correct. But that's not a reason why it should be illegal.

smh

Lets get back to the op. A lot of physicians say the research is invaluable. Absolutely critical. So critical Dr. Carson used it. Should we be able to use the tissue or will the pro life contingent with their mega phones drown out the debate? The other angle of this. Has anybody changed their minds on this?

(08-14-2015 01:23 AM)Leargh! Wrote:  I haven't read the entire thread because I just don't have the patience...

So, let let me just say, yes... SJW here, and I don't give a flying f*ck... My body, my uterus, my choice.

If you don't like the idea of abortion... Don't ******* get one... It is really that simple.
HIIPA, Seriously, it really is that simple.

If I have something that isn't normal for me... I go to my doctor, he says, you're pregnant. I decide what should be done. (Not a simple choice... One that MAY require input from the father.... If I deem him worthy) I make a decision, and I... Me... One person... Not you!. Not your ******* God, not your mother, not your ....whatever.... I.... Make a decision that I live with... So, **** off and quit trying to decide for me.

Whew!!! I feel so much better now.

Sorry. If you want to show me vids of little precious baby parts.... It has no effect on me. I really don't give a ****.... They are just parts. Save your morral righteousness for someone who gives a ****....

DERRRRRRRRRRRRRP BLLLLLLLLLLLLLAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

It is your uterus, your choice. YOU MADE THE CHOICE TO HAVE SEX. SEX CREATES BABIES. Why are you idiots so shocked when sex creates life? It's the natural purpose of the act. Take responsibility for yourself for once, SJW. Life is bigger than YOU. YOU CHOSE to create the life. Your own self-hatred and resentment toward the defenseless and innocent life you created is not justification for killing it.

If you don't like the idea of murder, don't do it. If you don't like the idea of rape, don't do it. Typical stupid logic spewed by your crowd.

Of course it has no effect on you. You're a savage. This is how you operate. Been saying this for 10 pages now.

(08-14-2015 10:00 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 01:23 AM)Leargh! Wrote:  I haven't read the entire thread because I just don't have the patience...

So, let let me just say, yes... SJW here, and I don't give a flying f*ck... My body, my uterus, my choice.

If you don't like the idea of abortion... Don't ******* get one... It is really that simple.
HIIPA, Seriously, it really is that simple.

If I have something that isn't normal for me... I go to my doctor, he says, you're pregnant. I decide what should be done. (Not a simple choice... One that MAY require input from the father.... If I deem him worthy) I make a decision, and I... Me... One person... Not you!. Not your ******* God, not your mother, not your ....whatever.... I.... Make a decision that I live with... So, **** off and quit trying to decide for me.

Whew!!! I feel so much better now.

Sorry. If you want to show me vids of little precious baby parts.... It has no effect on me. I really don't give a ****.... They are just parts. Save your morral righteousness for someone who gives a ****....

DERRRRRRRRRRRRRP BLLLLLLLLLLLLLAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

It is your uterus, your choice. YOU MADE THE CHOICE TO HAVE SEX. SEX CREATES BABIES. Why are you idiots so shocked when sex creates life? It's the natural purpose of the act. Take responsibility for yourself for once, SJW. Life is bigger than YOU. YOU CHOSE to create the life. Your own self-hatred and resentment toward the defenseless and innocent life you created is not justification for killing it.

If you don't like the idea of murder, don't do it. If you don't like the idea of rape, don't do it. Typical stupid logic spewed by your crowd.

Of course it has no effect on you. You're a savage. This is how you operate. Been saying this for 10 pages now.

Does sex always create a baby?
Is it illegal to have sex?
Does contraception ever fail?
Is abortion illegal?

If you don't like the idea of rape, don't do it. Typical stupid logic spewed by your crowd.



The irony here is just tooooooo much.