(01-19-2014 05:32 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  

(01-19-2014 05:23 PM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  Other than Curt Newsome, have any of our prior coaches been hired anywhere yet? I know some said that Clayton was following Newsome to Emory & Henry but he hasn't mentioned it anywhere on Twitter.

Edmonds was hired by ODU. Not really sure about anyone else.

Right Edmonds slipped my mind.

It appears our new OC Brad Davis has been hacked on Twitter.

Stoss just tweeted that it looks like Brandon Staley, DC from D3 John Carroll (London Fletcher's alma mater) is going to be the new DC

John Carroll was 2nd in total defense (yards), and tied for 1st in scoring defense in D3

I guess that is what you get with limited budget.

(01-19-2014 03:16 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  

(01-19-2014 01:40 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  Maybe... just maybe.. he knows a little more about what he's doing than we do.

Or perhaps he's working with a budget. Time will tell. Look, I'm really not complaining. We'll see how it goes. The players will know immediately whether these guys know their stuff. I'm hopeful that they'll be great, but ideally I would have liked them to have been in the ring before. BTW, I may have missed it but have we hired a new strength and conditioning coach yet? When I saw they let go of the current guy (honestly don't recall his name) I figured Withers had someone in mind to bring in quickly and get on top of the offseason program. I think that's a pretty important job.

I'd say its a little bit of both DoubleD's and JMad03's assessment. I'm sure he has been given a budget to work within and he definitely knows more about coaching than me. Thus, he knows what he is doing, with regards to his hires, than me.

I've got no problem with people saying they would have preferred a little more experience to have been hired. Therefore, I hope you have no problem with my agreeing with his decisions to hire people who he can influence and train to do things his way. I want to be able to hold him accountable.

In addition, when we move to FBS, we are going to have some very lean years in the win column. I expect it, and I don't believe there will be a lot that the coaching staff will be able to do to prevent it. We will need to look towards the five and ten year forecast for our program, to see if we are on track from both a financial prospective as well as our on field performance. If we can keep a core team together, we stand a much better chance of a successful program. I believe having a team of young, hungry coaches will stay together better with the situation they face. At least I hope so!

Looks like Staley ran a 3-4 at John Carroll

http://www.jcusports.com/coaches.aspx?rc...h=football

here's his bio. sounds like he's helped coach some really stifling defenses at all different levels of football.

Another good write-up on him. Looks like another young up and comer. This will be an interesting staff and team to watch in the coming years with all of these young guys.

http://www.cleveland.com/timstake/index....ordin.html

We really must have no $$$ if the assistant coach coffers.

Otherwise, fine with the hire. He has some pretty strong backers..... John Caroll had only given up 34 pts ALL SEASON before running into Mt. Union and losing 42-34.

I really appreciate all of the enthusiasm on the board about the recent unproven, obscure (being kind) hires. I have already gone on record to say that I am very concerned by them. Well, I am still very concerned by them. What's next, we'll get an assistant coach from a middle school?

We let O'Cain go and replaced him with a couple of guys who would maybe get the opportunity to carry his clipboard a year or two ago. OK. I am definitely NOT buying into the philosophy that younger = up-and-comer = better that some of you seem to be all about. I am watching closely and hoping for the best. I guess you might say I am "monitoring the situation." Not at all optimistic. Hoping my worst fears are completely unfounded.

What position is Staley going coach, besides being DC? Coordinators almost always coach a position, too. Already have assistants named to coach the DL, LBs, and secondary. Staley has coached all 3 units. I assume he'll head up a unit, and one of the already named will be the assistant...

I love how so many of you think lack of budget is why Withers is hiring a young, hungry staff. Could it be that he has identified the coaches he believes best fit the system and culture he is trying to build?
He clearly is building a program that will center around coaches who are up and coming and highly motivated to succeed. I believe their energy will help in recruiting and will rub off onto the players. Withers has a tremendous amount of experience and he will ultimately be the final decision maker. He will help guide this young staff and blend their ideas into a solid gameplan. I am 100 percent behind his approach. Could it fail? Absolutely! But I have a feeling we are going to like what we see.

I just find it hilarious that we must have FBS re-treads as our assistant coaches. If they're coming to "can't make up its mind" FCS James Madison in Harrisonburg, VA, it's because they've been fired at a higher job.
Usually when one was fired, it's because something wasn't going well in the Win-Loss column.

Give me up-and-comers over re-treads any day of the week. They've given us 5 years of 7 or fewer wins.

(01-20-2014 08:50 AM)Potomac Wrote:  Give me up-and-comers over re-treads any day of the week. They've given us 4 years of 7 or fewer wins.

FIFY

I assume you were referring to the last 5 years...in which case only 4 produced 7 or fewer Ws. Otherwise, I agree with your sentiments.

Am I late to the game on Brandon Staley being our dc?

(01-20-2014 10:10 AM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  Am I late to the game on Brandon Staley being our dc?

See post number #442

(01-20-2014 08:32 AM)NYJMUSupporter Wrote:  I love how so many of you think lack of budget is why Withers is hiring a young, hungry staff. Could it be that he has identified the coaches he believes best fit the system and culture he is trying to build?
He clearly is building a program that will center around coaches who are up and coming and highly motivated to succeed. I believe their energy will help in recruiting and will rub off onto the players. Withers has a tremendous amount of experience and he will ultimately be the final decision maker. He will help guide this young staff and blend their ideas into a solid gameplan. I am 100 percent behind his approach. Could it fail? Absolutely! But I have a feeling we are going to like what we see.

Give me some kind of proof that these are up and coming ? Are they trending in the coaching circles? And why do we speak on their energy and etc when I would dare say 90% of us never heard of any of them before. And is this the same budget Mickey had to work with or less? With a staff like this the results will fall directly on the head coach. So I'll just wait for results now. I do like the resume of Brad Davis and his interviews.

(01-20-2014 10:15 AM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(01-20-2014 08:32 AM)NYJMUSupporter Wrote:  I love how so many of you think lack of budget is why Withers is hiring a young, hungry staff. Could it be that he has identified the coaches he believes best fit the system and culture he is trying to build?
He clearly is building a program that will center around coaches who are up and coming and highly motivated to succeed. I believe their energy will help in recruiting and will rub off onto the players. Withers has a tremendous amount of experience and he will ultimately be the final decision maker. He will help guide this young staff and blend their ideas into a solid gameplan. I am 100 percent behind his approach. Could it fail? Absolutely! But I have a feeling we are going to like what we see.

Give me some kind of proof that these are up and coming ? Are they trending in the coaching circles? And why do we speak on their energy and etc when I would dare say 90% of us never heard of any of them before. And is this the same budget Mickey had to work with or less? With a staff like this the results will fall directly on the head coach. So I'll just wait for results now. I do like the resume of Brad Davis and his interviews.

As they should. I want to hold no one else accountable.

Wither's has been looking for the right head coaching job for three years now. He has been at some good programs. I am giving him the benefit of the doubt that he has been thinking about how he would run a staff and who he would hire as coaches if he found the right job. I am not going to judge his staff by looking at their resume's. Every young man with ambition wants a shot. Someone gave me one almost 30 years ago.

I would have been fine with keeping O'Cain. His offense had good stats but we all some it struggle to score in the red zone. Losing him is not the end of the world. I thought Curt and Hanson were good coaches too.

What I heard was that the existing coaching staff lacked fire and that started with the head coach. The Mickey we saw on the sideline was not the Mickey addressing players in the locker room. This comes from people who were actually in the locker room. I think this is what the players are alluding to in some of the posts in this thread. The old staff seemed to be going about things in a businessman like manner. Wither's is bringing more emotion to the program and it seems to be well received.

I was all for Flip and feel confident he would have put together a good staff. I also feel good about Wither's so far. If Wither's does well, he won't be at JMU very long. Flip may still get his first HC job with us.

Seeing is believing for me. Wither's is the HC and is carrying out his plan for his program. The cupboard is not bare so I am expecting him to have a good season next year. JMU is not in rebuilding mode so there are no free passes. He needs to win day one for me to feel good about him as a head coach. IMO, JMU is a good program that needs to be made better.

(01-20-2014 10:15 AM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  Give me some kind of proof that these are up and coming ? Are they trending in the coaching circles? And why do we speak on their energy and etc when I would dare say 90% of us never heard of any of them before. And is this the same budget Mickey had to work with or less?

Oh gee, I think I saw one of the new coaches in a recent film clip...he was in a huddle of players, holding a white board, giving the players advice with the game on the line:

[Player] It's 4th down coach! What’s do we do?

[New JMU FB Coach]
I’ll tell you what to do. I want you to go on the field and look for anything with an O!!! Let’s kill them with kindness! Jimmy I want you to make balloon animals. Tyler make little Tea Cosies...something nice...

[Hotrod] Are you okay Coach?

[New JMU Coach]
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! WE WILL WIN THIS FOR MOTHER RUSSIA!


Sorry to make light of your concerns Hotrod, but honestly, because YOU haven't heard of Wither's younger coaches means nothing.

Until proven otherwise, Coach Withers and his staff have my full support.

(01-20-2014 10:29 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Wither's has been looking for the right head coaching job for three years now. He has been at some good programs. I am giving him the benefit of the doubt that he has been thinking about how he would run a staff and who he would hire as coaches if he found the right job. I am not going to judge his staff by looking at their resume's. Every young man with ambition wants a shot. Someone gave me one almost 30 years ago.

I would have been fine with keeping O'Cain. His offense had good stats but we all some it struggle to score in the red zone. Losing him is not the end of the world. I thought Curt and Hanson were good coaches too.

What I heard was that the existing coaching staff lacked fire and that started with the head coach. The Mickey we saw on the sideline was not the Mickey addressing players in the locker room. This comes from people who were actually in the locker room. I think this is what the players are alluding to in some of the posts in this thread. The old staff seemed to be going about things in a businessman like manner. Wither's is bringing more emotion to the program and it seems to be well received.

I was all for Flip and feel confident he would have put together a good staff. I also feel good about Wither's so far. If Wither's does well, he won't be at JMU very long. Flip may still get his first HC job with us.

Seeing is believing for me. Wither's is the HC and is carrying out his plan for his program. The cupboard is not bare so I am expecting him to have a good season next year. JMU is not in rebuilding mode so there are no free passes. He needs to win day one for me to feel good about him as a head coach. IMO, JMU is a good program that needs to be made better.

Mickey was never really a players coach. He lost most of his players coaches to other programs. They coaches he brought in were coming from big time ACC programs, that is the mentality of a lot of BCS programs.......Business. Coaches should only be blamed for the scheme , not their personality . So those players needing "fire" from Mickey need to look at themselves and find out why they are not highly motivated to win for their teammates. And I tell players that every chance I get.