(11-23-2020 02:44 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020 08:48 AM)Z-Fly Wrote: [ -> ]Being the Bengals head coach is career suicide. The owner calls the shots and is way too involved. The owner isn't qualified to run anything. If he hadn't inherited the team, he would have never been approved to purchase the team. He's done nothing in his life to be granted a NFL franchise, except for being the seed of Paul Brown. They should create the Mike Brown rule saying no one can inherit a franchise. You must be approved, just like anyone else.
That's a fun rant but it doesn't make a lot of sense. Maybe there is an exception or two but what has any current owner done to be "granted an NFL franchise"? Whatever they did (hint: $), I'll bet it had little to do with football acumen in most cases.
I guess none of us knows exactly what goes on behind closed doors, but everybody "in the know" seems to think Tobin is the GM in everything but name these days. Katie might negotiate some contracts and Troy some of the business stuff and at the end of the day Mike probably has a veto power that is seldom used. But as far as putting together the team, that's mostly Tobin's dominion.
Incorrect Sir. Look it up for yourself. You can't simply show up with a stack of cash and purchase a franchise. It goes up for a vote to the other owners in the league.
Lets say I won a large sum of money in the lottery or something like that. I can't just show up and buy a franchise. It doesn't work that way.
Also Lance just posted an interview with Marvin Lewis. He mentioned when him and Mike went into a meeting he would say "Just remember, I have two votes and you have one". It sounds like the veto happens pretty often.
(11-23-2020 03:33 PM)RealDeal Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think QB is a bad idea in the 2nd-3rd round. If you have to play the guy and he plays well you can spin that for more assets later. If he doesn't play you have a cheap insurance policy. Other option is to get a marginal veteran like Cam Newton or someone along those lines that's a marginal starter/top back up.
I do think some people think the Burrow injury would save Taylor's job but I think it should put it in more jeopardy. Them not having better OL is one thing; you don't go from 2-14 to balanced roster overnight but firing 29 first half passes in a one score game with a rookie QB is not developing your QB. It's asking for something to go wrong.
EDIT: not that the Bengals firing a guy after 2 years is in play either way
If I remember correctly Carson Palmer tore his ACL, MCL and PCL and he didn't miss a game the following year and his injury happened in the playoffs, not the 4th week in Nov. Sign a backup QB not named Finley and build the line. Draft Sewell, sign Thuney and Spain, move Jonah to RT and Hopkins at Center and you have a legit line. Take the best available defender in the 2nd and 3rd round.
(11-23-2020 03:33 PM)RealDeal Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think QB is a bad idea in the 2nd-3rd round. If you have to play the guy and he plays well you can spin that for more assets later. If he doesn't play you have a cheap insurance policy. Other option is to get a marginal veteran like Cam Newton or someone along those lines that's a marginal starter/top back up.
I do think some people think the Burrow injury would save Taylor's job but I think it should put it in more jeopardy. Them not having better OL is one thing; you don't go from 2-14 to balanced roster overnight but firing 29 first half passes in a one score game with a rookie QB is not developing your QB. It's asking for something to go wrong.
EDIT: not that the Bengals firing a guy after 2 years is in play either way
Depending on the prognosis I would look for a back up that was a starter or quasi starter in the passt.
I won't take credit for this - my brother's brother in-law sent it to him but boy does it paint a picture. Seems like a waste of 1st rounders:
Bengals first-round picks history:
'20: Joe Burrow: Torn ACL, MCL + more damage
'19: Jonah Williams: Missed entire season
'18: Billy Price: Missed 6 games
'17: John Ross: Missed 13 games
'16: William Jackson: Missed entire season
'15: Cedric Ogbuehi: Missed 11 games
(11-23-2020 03:33 PM)RealDeal Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think QB is a bad idea in the 2nd-3rd round. If you have to play the guy and he plays well you can spin that for more assets later. If he doesn't play you have a cheap insurance policy. Other option is to get a marginal veteran like Cam Newton or someone along those lines that's a marginal starter/top back up.
I do think some people think the Burrow injury would save Taylor's job but I think it should put it in more jeopardy. Them not having better OL is one thing; you don't go from 2-14 to balanced roster overnight but firing 29 first half passes in a one score game with a rookie QB is not developing your QB. It's asking for something to go wrong.
EDIT: not that the Bengals firing a guy after 2 years is in play either way
2nd and 3rd rounders aren't throwaways. I would search the free agent market for a good backup.
(11-23-2020 03:48 PM)bearcatdp Wrote: [ -> ]I won't take credit for this - my brother's brother in-law sent it to him but boy does it paint a picture. Seems like a waste of 1st rounders:
Bengals first-round picks history:
'20: Joe Burrow: Torn ACL, MCL + more damage
'19: Jonah Williams: Missed entire season
'18: Billy Price: Missed 6 games
'17: John Ross: Missed 13 games
'16: William Jackson: Missed entire season
'15: Cedric Ogbuehi: Missed 11 games
He was a 1st round guy pick lol. Slot receiver/returner.
(11-23-2020 03:45 PM)Z-Fly Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020 02:44 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020 08:48 AM)Z-Fly Wrote: [ -> ]Being the Bengals head coach is career suicide. The owner calls the shots and is way too involved. The owner isn't qualified to run anything. If he hadn't inherited the team, he would have never been approved to purchase the team. He's done nothing in his life to be granted a NFL franchise, except for being the seed of Paul Brown. They should create the Mike Brown rule saying no one can inherit a franchise. You must be approved, just like anyone else.
That's a fun rant but it doesn't make a lot of sense. Maybe there is an exception or two but what has any current owner done to be "granted an NFL franchise"? Whatever they did (hint: $), I'll bet it had little to do with football acumen in most cases.
I guess none of us knows exactly what goes on behind closed doors, but everybody "in the know" seems to think Tobin is the GM in everything but name these days. Katie might negotiate some contracts and Troy some of the business stuff and at the end of the day Mike probably has a veto power that is seldom used. But as far as putting together the team, that's mostly Tobin's dominion.
Incorrect Sir. Look it up for yourself. You can't simply show up with a stack of cash and purchase a franchise. It goes up for a vote to the other owners in the league.
Lets say I won a large sum of money in the lottery or something like that. I can't just show up and buy a franchise. It doesn't work that way.
LOL. Yeah, I never denied there was a vote. What do you think they vote based upon (hint: still $). Do you think they give them a football quiz or ask them to diagram plays?
They may give a little lip service to "character" or the like but the bar is pretty low and Mike would pass it easily even if it wasn't. I mean they gave Al Davis, Art Modell and Dan Snyder franchises for cyring out loud.
(11-23-2020 03:45 PM)Z-Fly Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020 02:44 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020 08:48 AM)Z-Fly Wrote: [ -> ]Being the Bengals head coach is career suicide. The owner calls the shots and is way too involved. The owner isn't qualified to run anything. If he hadn't inherited the team, he would have never been approved to purchase the team. He's done nothing in his life to be granted a NFL franchise, except for being the seed of Paul Brown. They should create the Mike Brown rule saying no one can inherit a franchise. You must be approved, just like anyone else.
That's a fun rant but it doesn't make a lot of sense. Maybe there is an exception or two but what has any current owner done to be "granted an NFL franchise"? Whatever they did (hint: $), I'll bet it had little to do with football acumen in most cases.
I guess none of us knows exactly what goes on behind closed doors, but everybody "in the know" seems to think Tobin is the GM in everything but name these days. Katie might negotiate some contracts and Troy some of the business stuff and at the end of the day Mike probably has a veto power that is seldom used. But as far as putting together the team, that's mostly Tobin's dominion.
Incorrect Sir. Look it up for yourself. You can't simply show up with a stack of cash and purchase a franchise. It goes up for a vote to the other owners in the league.
Lets say I won a large sum of money in the lottery or something like that. I can't just show up and buy a franchise. It doesn't work that way.
Also Lance just posted an interview with Marvin Lewis. He mentioned when him and Mike went into a meeting he would say "Just remember, I have two votes and you have one". It sounds like the veto happens pretty often.
Here is a decent article, if you actually care. My point (or rant as you called it) is you should not be able to will a team. It should be voted on like any other Franchise transaction. Mike probably would have been approved, but I would like to have known for sure. Or maybe it was voted on, and I just don't know it.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1690...t%20stake.
(11-23-2020 03:14 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ]I’m not sure you go for a QB this draft or next. They’ve got so many holes to fill, I think QB is the last piece. Go ahead and suck in 21 and 22 and 23 and be ready for a QB again in 24 with lines built already.
They need to dump every single resource they have into the offensive and defensive lines.
(11-23-2020 04:00 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020 03:45 PM)Z-Fly Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020 02:44 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020 08:48 AM)Z-Fly Wrote: [ -> ]Being the Bengals head coach is career suicide. The owner calls the shots and is way too involved. The owner isn't qualified to run anything. If he hadn't inherited the team, he would have never been approved to purchase the team. He's done nothing in his life to be granted a NFL franchise, except for being the seed of Paul Brown. They should create the Mike Brown rule saying no one can inherit a franchise. You must be approved, just like anyone else.
That's a fun rant but it doesn't make a lot of sense. Maybe there is an exception or two but what has any current owner done to be "granted an NFL franchise"? Whatever they did (hint: $), I'll bet it had little to do with football acumen in most cases.
I guess none of us knows exactly what goes on behind closed doors, but everybody "in the know" seems to think Tobin is the GM in everything but name these days. Katie might negotiate some contracts and Troy some of the business stuff and at the end of the day Mike probably has a veto power that is seldom used. But as far as putting together the team, that's mostly Tobin's dominion.
Incorrect Sir. Look it up for yourself. You can't simply show up with a stack of cash and purchase a franchise. It goes up for a vote to the other owners in the league.
Lets say I won a large sum of money in the lottery or something like that. I can't just show up and buy a franchise. It doesn't work that way.
LOL. Yeah, I never denied there was a vote. What do you think they vote based upon (hint: still $). Do you think they give them a football quiz or ask them to diagram plays?
They may give a little lip service to "character" or the like but the bar is pretty low and Mike would pass it easily even if it wasn't. I mean they gave Al Davis, Art Modell and Dan Snyder franchises for cyring out loud.
I think they vote based on if the person is likely to increase the value of the NFL and the Franchise.
If the persons' only qualifications are worked as a clerk for Yankee George and is the son of Paul Brown, I don't believe that would be enough. Also, Mike didn't really have his own money.
(11-23-2020 03:51 PM)Z-Fly Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020 03:33 PM)RealDeal Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think QB is a bad idea in the 2nd-3rd round. If you have to play the guy and he plays well you can spin that for more assets later. If he doesn't play you have a cheap insurance policy. Other option is to get a marginal veteran like Cam Newton or someone along those lines that's a marginal starter/top back up.
I do think some people think the Burrow injury would save Taylor's job but I think it should put it in more jeopardy. Them not having better OL is one thing; you don't go from 2-14 to balanced roster overnight but firing 29 first half passes in a one score game with a rookie QB is not developing your QB. It's asking for something to go wrong.
EDIT: not that the Bengals firing a guy after 2 years is in play either way
2nd and 3rd rounders aren't throwaways. I would search the free agent market for a good backup.
Agreed that 2nd and 3rd rounders aren't throwaways. Although that's actually where the Bengals found most of their top QBs (Boomer, Dalton, Anderson). I wasn't going to mention it lest it stir up another can of worms, but a guy like Dalton would be a great fit for both sides.
(11-23-2020 04:12 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020 03:51 PM)Z-Fly Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020 03:33 PM)RealDeal Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think QB is a bad idea in the 2nd-3rd round. If you have to play the guy and he plays well you can spin that for more assets later. If he doesn't play you have a cheap insurance policy. Other option is to get a marginal veteran like Cam Newton or someone along those lines that's a marginal starter/top back up.
I do think some people think the Burrow injury would save Taylor's job but I think it should put it in more jeopardy. Them not having better OL is one thing; you don't go from 2-14 to balanced roster overnight but firing 29 first half passes in a one score game with a rookie QB is not developing your QB. It's asking for something to go wrong.
EDIT: not that the Bengals firing a guy after 2 years is in play either way
2nd and 3rd rounders aren't throwaways. I would search the free agent market for a good backup.
Agreed that 2nd and 3rd rounders aren't throwaways. Although that's actually where the Bengals found most of their top QBs (Boomer, Dalton, Anderson). I wasn't going to mention it lest it stir up another can of worms, but a guy like Dalton would be a great fit for both sides.
I was thinking that too. Andy would be a great on a one year deal.
(11-23-2020 04:04 PM)Z-Fly Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020 04:00 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020 03:45 PM)Z-Fly Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020 02:44 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020 08:48 AM)Z-Fly Wrote: [ -> ]Being the Bengals head coach is career suicide. The owner calls the shots and is way too involved. The owner isn't qualified to run anything. If he hadn't inherited the team, he would have never been approved to purchase the team. He's done nothing in his life to be granted a NFL franchise, except for being the seed of Paul Brown. They should create the Mike Brown rule saying no one can inherit a franchise. You must be approved, just like anyone else.
That's a fun rant but it doesn't make a lot of sense. Maybe there is an exception or two but what has any current owner done to be "granted an NFL franchise"? Whatever they did (hint: $), I'll bet it had little to do with football acumen in most cases.
I guess none of us knows exactly what goes on behind closed doors, but everybody "in the know" seems to think Tobin is the GM in everything but name these days. Katie might negotiate some contracts and Troy some of the business stuff and at the end of the day Mike probably has a veto power that is seldom used. But as far as putting together the team, that's mostly Tobin's dominion.
Incorrect Sir. Look it up for yourself. You can't simply show up with a stack of cash and purchase a franchise. It goes up for a vote to the other owners in the league.
Lets say I won a large sum of money in the lottery or something like that. I can't just show up and buy a franchise. It doesn't work that way.
LOL. Yeah, I never denied there was a vote. What do you think they vote based upon (hint: still $). Do you think they give them a football quiz or ask them to diagram plays?
They may give a little lip service to "character" or the like but the bar is pretty low and Mike would pass it easily even if it wasn't. I mean they gave Al Davis, Art Modell and Dan Snyder franchises for cyring out loud.
I think they vote based on if the person is likely to increase the value of the NFL and the Franchise.
If the persons' only qualifications are worked as a clerk for Yankee George and is the son of Paul Brown, I don't believe that would be enough. Also, Mike didn't really have his own money.
I don't even know what your point is anymore? Is it that you are mad that NFL HoF legend Paul Brown was able to pass his portion of ownership along to his son upon his death?
You do understand that Mike Brown did more than work a summer job for Steinbrenner, right? He played college football and graduated from Dartmouth and then graduated from Harvard Law. After that he joined his HoF father in 1968 as assistant GM and continued to work in the NFL for the Bengals for around 23 years before taking over ownership responsibilities in 1991 after Paul died. You think that wouldn't have gotten him approved in an NFL that accepted guys like Modell, Davis and Snyder as owners? please explain...
(11-23-2020 04:31 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020 04:04 PM)Z-Fly Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020 04:00 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020 03:45 PM)Z-Fly Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020 02:44 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote: [ -> ]That's a fun rant but it doesn't make a lot of sense. Maybe there is an exception or two but what has any current owner done to be "granted an NFL franchise"? Whatever they did (hint: $), I'll bet it had little to do with football acumen in most cases.
I guess none of us knows exactly what goes on behind closed doors, but everybody "in the know" seems to think Tobin is the GM in everything but name these days. Katie might negotiate some contracts and Troy some of the business stuff and at the end of the day Mike probably has a veto power that is seldom used. But as far as putting together the team, that's mostly Tobin's dominion.
Incorrect Sir. Look it up for yourself. You can't simply show up with a stack of cash and purchase a franchise. It goes up for a vote to the other owners in the league.
Lets say I won a large sum of money in the lottery or something like that. I can't just show up and buy a franchise. It doesn't work that way.
LOL. Yeah, I never denied there was a vote. What do you think they vote based upon (hint: still $). Do you think they give them a football quiz or ask them to diagram plays?
They may give a little lip service to "character" or the like but the bar is pretty low and Mike would pass it easily even if it wasn't. I mean they gave Al Davis, Art Modell and Dan Snyder franchises for cyring out loud.
I think they vote based on if the person is likely to increase the value of the NFL and the Franchise.
If the persons' only qualifications are worked as a clerk for Yankee George and is the son of Paul Brown, I don't believe that would be enough. Also, Mike didn't really have his own money.
I don't even know what your point is anymore? Is it that you are mad that NFL HoF legend Paul Brown was able to pass his portion of ownership along to his son upon his death?
You do understand that Mike Brown did more than work a summer job for Steinbrenner, right? He played college football and graduated from Dartmouth and then graduated from Harvard Law. After that he joined his HoF father in 1968 as assistant GM and continued to work in the NFL for the Bengals for around 23 years before taking over ownership responsibilities in 1991 after Paul died. You think that wouldn't have gotten him approved in an NFL that accepted guys like Modell, Davis and Snyder as owners? please explain...
YOU DON'T? I'm saying I believe he was unqualified. I understand his past. I don't think it was enough for the others to approve.
Would you approve Katie Blackburn? Her qualifications are similar. I wouldn't. Maybe you would. That might be where we actually disagree.
(11-23-2020 04:38 PM)Z-Fly Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020 04:31 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020 04:04 PM)Z-Fly Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020 04:00 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020 03:45 PM)Z-Fly Wrote: [ -> ]Incorrect Sir. Look it up for yourself. You can't simply show up with a stack of cash and purchase a franchise. It goes up for a vote to the other owners in the league.
Lets say I won a large sum of money in the lottery or something like that. I can't just show up and buy a franchise. It doesn't work that way.
LOL. Yeah, I never denied there was a vote. What do you think they vote based upon (hint: still $). Do you think they give them a football quiz or ask them to diagram plays?
They may give a little lip service to "character" or the like but the bar is pretty low and Mike would pass it easily even if it wasn't. I mean they gave Al Davis, Art Modell and Dan Snyder franchises for cyring out loud.
I think they vote based on if the person is likely to increase the value of the NFL and the Franchise.
If the persons' only qualifications are worked as a clerk for Yankee George and is the son of Paul Brown, I don't believe that would be enough. Also, Mike didn't really have his own money.
I don't even know what your point is anymore? Is it that you are mad that NFL HoF legend Paul Brown was able to pass his portion of ownership along to his son upon his death?
You do understand that Mike Brown did more than work a summer job for Steinbrenner, right? He played college football and graduated from Dartmouth and then graduated from Harvard Law. After that he joined his HoF father in 1968 as assistant GM and continued to work in the NFL for the Bengals for around 23 years before taking over ownership responsibilities in 1991 after Paul died. You think that wouldn't have gotten him approved in an NFL that accepted guys like Modell, Davis and Snyder as owners? please explain...
YOU DON'T? I'm saying I believe he was unqualified. I understand his past. I don't think it was enough for the others to approve.
What's your basis for such a bizarre contention? Compare it to the credentials of the other owners who passed inspection and of those candidates who were not approved (can you even name ANY without looking it up?) if you really believe that.
(11-23-2020 04:51 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020 04:38 PM)Z-Fly Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020 04:31 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020 04:04 PM)Z-Fly Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020 04:00 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote: [ -> ]LOL. Yeah, I never denied there was a vote. What do you think they vote based upon (hint: still $). Do you think they give them a football quiz or ask them to diagram plays?
They may give a little lip service to "character" or the like but the bar is pretty low and Mike would pass it easily even if it wasn't. I mean they gave Al Davis, Art Modell and Dan Snyder franchises for cyring out loud.
I think they vote based on if the person is likely to increase the value of the NFL and the Franchise.
If the persons' only qualifications are worked as a clerk for Yankee George and is the son of Paul Brown, I don't believe that would be enough. Also, Mike didn't really have his own money.
I don't even know what your point is anymore? Is it that you are mad that NFL HoF legend Paul Brown was able to pass his portion of ownership along to his son upon his death?
You do understand that Mike Brown did more than work a summer job for Steinbrenner, right? He played college football and graduated from Dartmouth and then graduated from Harvard Law. After that he joined his HoF father in 1968 as assistant GM and continued to work in the NFL for the Bengals for around 23 years before taking over ownership responsibilities in 1991 after Paul died. You think that wouldn't have gotten him approved in an NFL that accepted guys like Modell, Davis and Snyder as owners? please explain...
YOU DON'T? I'm saying I believe he was unqualified. I understand his past. I don't think it was enough for the others to approve.
What's your basis for such a bizarre contention? Compare it to the credentials of the other owners who passed inspection and of those candidates who were not approved (can you even name ANY without looking it up?) if you really believe that.
I don't keep track of such things, the same way you don't. I do believe with a little research we could find a handful, but you asked me not to do so. I do remember someone not being able to purchase the Dodgers a decade or so ago.
I don't believe an ownership team, headed by Mike Brown in 1991, would be approved to purchase any other team besides the Bengals. I think any transaction of a franchise from one person to another should require a vote. That's my point. If you disagree that's fine.
(11-23-2020 03:52 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020 03:48 PM)bearcatdp Wrote: [ -> ]'17: John Ross: Missed 13 games
He was a 1st round guy pick lol. Slot receiver/returner.
And he's going to be the answer to a trivia question the rest of his life.
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(11-23-2020 05:27 PM)Z-Fly Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020 04:51 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020 04:38 PM)Z-Fly Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020 04:31 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020 04:04 PM)Z-Fly Wrote: [ -> ]I think they vote based on if the person is likely to increase the value of the NFL and the Franchise.
If the persons' only qualifications are worked as a clerk for Yankee George and is the son of Paul Brown, I don't believe that would be enough. Also, Mike didn't really have his own money.
I don't even know what your point is anymore? Is it that you are mad that NFL HoF legend Paul Brown was able to pass his portion of ownership along to his son upon his death?
You do understand that Mike Brown did more than work a summer job for Steinbrenner, right? He played college football and graduated from Dartmouth and then graduated from Harvard Law. After that he joined his HoF father in 1968 as assistant GM and continued to work in the NFL for the Bengals for around 23 years before taking over ownership responsibilities in 1991 after Paul died. You think that wouldn't have gotten him approved in an NFL that accepted guys like Modell, Davis and Snyder as owners? please explain...
YOU DON'T? I'm saying I believe he was unqualified. I understand his past. I don't think it was enough for the others to approve.
What's your basis for such a bizarre contention? Compare it to the credentials of the other owners who passed inspection and of those candidates who were not approved (can you even name ANY without looking it up?) if you really believe that.
I don't keep track of such things, the same way you don't. I do believe with a little research we could find a handful, but you asked me not to do so. I do remember someone not being able to purchase the Dodgers a decade or so ago.
I don't believe an ownership team, headed by Mike Brown in 1991, would be approved to purchase any other team besides the Bengals. I think any transaction of a franchise from one person to another should require a vote. That's my point. If you disagree that's fine.
I'm fine with the league's owners requiring a vote before approving a change in ownership. And obviously, you are entitled to think Mike Brown wouldn't have passed it (although now I'm not sure if you are saying that applies to all teams or if the Bengals would be an exception.) I guess my point then is that believe what you want, but understand that you haven't made a legitimate case as to
why you think that is true (and I'm highly skeptical that you can but please feel free to look up whatever you want to make your case).
Why would the league care? Way it’s set up you can simply keep breathing and the franchise increases in value. You guys who think this successful business model is predicated on doing things to actually win..