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(10-18-2012 11:22 AM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]Finally got to listen to the entire interview. Good Lord, that host is an idiot. How can he do a sports show where Memphis to the Big East is a major big deal and still be so clueless about the Big East....kinda shocking. We have 4 all sports talk stations in Houston.....I kinda feel like we need to lend Memphis a solid host for that show.
Uh, it's actually a lot worse than that. Dave Woloshin is the Voice of the Tigers! He is the play by play guy for Memphis football and Memphis basketball. He prides himself on never preparing ahead of time, and it shows. It sometimes takes him almost an entire season just to pronounce Memphis players' names correctly.

He is horrible, but is working for Learfield Sports, so the University has no direct control over him. Most of us are hoping with the move into the BE that we change our local network contract, or at least dump Woloshin.

Here's a typical post-game interview question by Woloshin with a Memphis player: "Well Will, it's true you scored 30 points, had 15 rebounds, and led Memphis to a 50-point victory, but you clanked a free throw in the first half and didn't try to get the rebound. Why do you sometimes have mental lapses like that?"
(10-17-2012 06:54 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote: [ -> ]With 14 I am not sure how important markets are this point because the Big East is pretty much in every major market already. I think we are looking at value for the tv deal, travel partners for either our eastern or western schools, impact on bowl games, and basketball.

I am answering this before reading past it, so forgive me if someone else already responded. But your main point is absolutely correct: more large markets really don't matter at this point. If it is a bonus for a team you otherwise want, great. But another top 50 market really won't matter for TV value at this point. A better option is a team with sex appeal, product appeal, or just rivalry appeal. BYU is great not because it is in a top 50 market, which it would share with the Pac 12 BTW, but because of their product, their success, and name brand. The mere fact that most of you seem to agree that BYU is the best option, then talk about the need for markets, shows a lack of commitment to one logic rhythm or another. If it was about markets, UNLV, New Mexico, Hawaii, FIU/FAU, UMass, Northern Illinois, Towson (sorry I went to school there so I had to mention them), Tulane, Buffalo, Colorado St, and Middle Tennessee St would all be ranked above BYU, Air Force, and Army on the wish list.

When the Big East lost some teams and needed to replenish, it made sense to look for teams with large markets such as SMU, Houston, and UCF, with Temple and Memphis added later to replace teams lost. But notice they were also the top (available) programs at that time with the most recent success in the BE region (cases can be made for USM and ECU, but the others were hot at the right time). Being in big markets certainly helped, but for the most part, was secondary to other attributes that made those programs attractive. With so many large markets in play now, one more won’t help nearly as much as a team that helps the on-field product.

Outside of BYU where there is no debate, and Air Force who brings more TV cache, ECU with a generally positive football history, an average attendance of 50,000 plus, the ability to fill a whole in the Olympic sports schedule, and being in an area that craves what the Big East is most known for (basketball), ECU is definitely a good dark horse candidate. Moreso than Fresno (sorry western fans, but you willingly joined an eastern based conference. No complains that further expansion did not include more western teams).

But I said before, outside of BTU and AFA, Hawaii to me is a better option than anyone else out west including Fresno. It adds 5 games to the TV package more than any other school (when you play @ Hawaii, you can play 13 games), adds even more time zones to the TV package, and is a hell of a recruiting tool (you'll get to go to Hawaii once in your 4 years here). But that is just me.


Also note, there are no travel partners available (of reasonabel additions). Travel partners need to be within a bus ride of another member, otherwise if you have to get on a plane to get there, you are not a "travel partner." UCF/USF are travel partners. UofL/UC are travel partners. SMU/Houston are borderline since you'd probably get on a plane to go from one to the other but you coudl drive. Boise/SDST are not travel partners, because once you have to go to the airport and get on a plane, it makes little difference between flying 500 miles and 800 miles time wise.
Im still but hurt about 2007 ECU f-them 03-wink
(10-18-2012 11:20 AM)NBPirate Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-18-2012 11:11 AM)CincyBearcatFan86 Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-18-2012 10:47 AM)NBPirate Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-18-2012 10:46 AM)CincyBearcatFan86 Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-18-2012 09:53 AM)NBPirate Wrote: [ -> ]This thread got sidetracked

Yes this thread got sidetracked in a big way with 29pages hell we are talking more about F'ing ECU!! More then BYU or AF

Its called a passionate fanbase, something the BE could use

Dude I don't care ECU won't get in anyway..I only want to read BYU and AF talk period! And BTW go back too your cusa form also Some ECU fans think they are better then the big east still waiting on the ACC invite..

No one is waiting on an ACC invite, I assure you

I am 03-razz
(10-17-2012 04:36 PM)Topcard91 Wrote: [ -> ]Walk away Pirates!!

We have seen this all before. Until Terry Holland is on stage with a Big East hat do not believe a word you hear or see. Even then you may want to wait a few more days.

Been there, done that with two schools. Wait till the fat lady sings or your heart will be broken a hundred times.
(10-17-2012 07:45 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote: [ -> ]I can't imagine Boise & SDSU would be happy with ECU. I thought they were promised another western school.

No they weren't. The "promised school" was a second western team, whcih was San Diego St.

(10-18-2012 12:48 AM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote: [ -> ]The only thing more annoying than UL/UC/USF fans complaining about this conference being "CUSA Lite' b/c they got a golden ticket early is small parts of my team's fanbase kicking ECU in similar fashion b/c all of the sudden we're too good for our conference mates.

You can possibly make a case that USF had a "golden ticket" considering their lack of success at the time they were invited and only being in 1A for a few years, and being invited based on lcoation and potential. If you made that argument I could buy it (I would necessarily agree because they put themselves in that position to be invited, but a case could at least be made). But no way you can make the same case about Cincinnati or Louisville, who invested in themselves and made themsleves into candidates. Lousiville was for sure going to the Big East whether Miami and Virginia Tech stayed or left, and Cincinnati was next in line had they expanded to ten instead of nine. There was no golden ticket. That was the result of solid investing.
(10-18-2012 12:37 AM)TOGC Wrote: [ -> ]ECU fans are laughably pathetic. Almost on par with Fresno State fans. Neither school is getting in, and the way that they shamelessly whore out their schools is beyond sad.

Now thats damn funny right there.
(10-18-2012 12:37 AM)TOGC Wrote: [ -> ]ECU fans are laughably pathetic. Almost on par with Fresno State fans. Neither school is getting in, and the way that they shamelessly whore out their schools is beyond sad.

You never know. It worked for the Mountaineers 05-stirthepot
(10-18-2012 09:10 AM)LouisvilleRed Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-18-2012 12:37 AM)TOGC Wrote: [ -> ]ECU fans are laughably pathetic. Almost on par with Fresno State fans. Neither school is getting in, and the way that they shamelessly whore out their schools is beyond sad.

The irony of this post is just mind boggling.

Memphis State fans really need to STFU. Learn your place. Your football team is beyond pathetic and not improving and your basketball team has never accomplished anything without rampant cheating.

What is this school Memphis State you talk about.

Denny Crum was a saint, yea, right.
(10-18-2012 11:30 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-18-2012 11:07 AM)billetingman1 Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-18-2012 10:55 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote: [ -> ]Again, I hope Navy backs out and we add BYU and ECU! It is the best that can be added for Big East Football. We should stop at 14 teams. 07-coffee3

That would be ideal, but Navy brings more TV revenue. I have no issues with ECU if they become a member of the NBE they do bring a lot to the table. However, I will leave the decision up to our Commish. He knows what we need.

03-idea Remember Navy was the brain child of the of John Marinatto not new Big East commissioner Mike Aresco. 04-cheers

I know Navy was a John Marinatto invite. However since they were invited were not kicking them out. That would be a PR nightmare, now if Navy decides to back out thats one thing, but I see Navy arriving in 2015. I would prefer ECU over any of the military schools Regardless of how much money they would bring to the TV contract.

The military schools do to much chop blocking for my taste. It would be a home run in my opinion if we had BYU, and ECU. I hope ECU eventually gets in one way or the other. I know how they feel, UH has been in the same shoes for 2 decades after the SWC broke up.

I know most of the Memphis fans that post on here are classy, but some on this board that post are just tools!
(10-18-2012 11:44 AM)adcorbett Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-17-2012 06:54 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote: [ -> ]With 14 I am not sure how important markets are this point because the Big East is pretty much in every major market already. I think we are looking at value for the tv deal, travel partners for either our eastern or western schools, impact on bowl games, and basketball.

I am answering this before reading past it, so forgive me if someone else already responded. But your main point is absolutely correct: more large markets really don't matter at this point. If it is a bonus for a team you otherwise want, great. But another top 50 market really won't matter for TV value at this point. A better option is a team with sex appeal, product appeal, or just rivalry appeal. BYU is great not because it is in a top 50 market, which it would share with the Pac 12 BTW, but because of their product, their success, and name brand. The mere fact that most of you seem to agree that BYU is the best option, then talk about the need for markets, shows a lack of commitment to one logic rhythm or another. If it was about markets, UNLV, New Mexico, Hawaii, FIU/FAU, UMass, Northern Illinois, Towson (sorry I went to school there so I had to mention them), Tulane, Buffalo, Colorado St, and Middle Tennessee St would all be ranked above BYU, Air Force, and Army on the wish list.

When the Big East lost some teams and needed to replenish, it made sense to look for teams with large markets such as SMU, Houston, and UCF, with Temple and Memphis added later to replace teams lost. But notice they were also the top (available) programs at that time with the most recent success in the BE region (cases can be made for USM and ECU, but the others were hot at the right time). Being in big markets certainly helped, but for the most part, was secondary to other attributes that made those programs attractive. With so many large markets in play now, one more won’t help nearly as much as a team that helps the on-field product.

Outside of BYU where there is no debate, and Air Force who brings more TV cache, ECU with a generally positive football history, an average attendance of 50,000 plus, the ability to fill a whole in the Olympic sports schedule, and being in an area that craves what the Big East is most known for (basketball), ECU is definitely a good dark horse candidate. Moreso than Fresno (sorry western fans, but you willingly joined an eastern based conference. No complains that further expansion did not include more western teams).

But I said before, outside of BTU and AFA, Hawaii to me is a better option than anyone else out west including Fresno. It adds 5 games to the TV package more than any other school (when you play @ Hawaii, you can play 13 games), adds even more time zones to the TV package, and is a hell of a recruiting tool (you'll get to go to Hawaii once in your 4 years here). But that is just me.


Also note, there are no travel partners available (of reasonabel additions). Travel partners need to be within a bus ride of another member, otherwise if you have to get on a plane to get there, you are not a "travel partner." UCF/USF are travel partners. UofL/UC are travel partners. SMU/Houston are borderline since you'd probably get on a plane to go from one to the other but you coudl drive. Boise/SDST are not travel partners, because once you have to go to the airport and get on a plane, it makes little difference between flying 500 miles and 800 miles time wise.

There are markets and then there is the potential for market growth by capturing more viewers within the state. UNLV has a 1.9 million person market and its secondary state market is only 2.7 million. The entire state of New Mexico has a population thats similar to Vegas. Only 1.3 million people live in Hawaii. These are not schools with huge upside. They are basically limited to thier immediate market area and wont get much boost from thier secondary state market. These teams are not likley to do much better than thier immediate market unless they succeed at a Boise level. One more point with respect to Hawaii---not only would travel to thier home field be a major issue, Hawaii would be about the worst team to add to a conference strugging with the preception that it doesnt travel well. No mainland bowl wants anything to do with Hawaii.

At this point, BYU is the best television property left on the board. Air Force is second. I would have thought Fresno is 3rd, but it may be that ECU is the next best TV property.
ECU fans = butthurt

They're never getting in. Go back to your C-DOA boards and talk smack with the UTSA fans.
Memphis fans were in the same place just 7 or 8 years ago, begging for a Big East invite because everyone left them behind. Now they hate on ECU for the same? I know they aren't the brightest fans around but the irony is comical/
(10-18-2012 12:23 PM)TOGC Wrote: [ -> ]ECU fans = butthurt

They're never getting in. Go back to your C-DOA boards and talk smack with the UTSA fans.

If we get in, I want to meet you personally
(10-18-2012 12:37 PM)NBPirate Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-18-2012 12:23 PM)TOGC Wrote: [ -> ]ECU fans = butthurt

They're never getting in. Go back to your C-DOA boards and talk smack with the UTSA fans.

If we get in, I want you to eat my butt
03-lmfao
butt pirate?
(10-18-2012 12:35 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote: [ -> ]Memphis fans were in the same place just 7 or 8 years ago, begging for a Big East invite because everyone left them behind. Now they hate on ECU for the same? I know they aren't the brightest fans around but the irony is comical/

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(10-18-2012 12:45 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-18-2012 12:35 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote: [ -> ]Memphis fans were in the same place just 7 or 8 years ago, begging for a Big East invite because everyone left them behind. Now they hate on ECU for the same? I know they aren't the brightest fans around but the irony is comical/

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04-bow 03-lmfao
(10-18-2012 12:23 PM)TOGC Wrote: [ -> ]ECU fans = butthurt

They're never getting in. Go back to your C-DOA boards and talk smack with the UTSA fans.

I have no dogs in this fight, but seriously TOGC did ECU fans took your lunch money. i really don't understand your vendata against them don't begrudge other team fans who want to be in a better situation and little push to get on top look at virginia tech for instant..
Ehrhart is going to be on Pirate Radio 1250 this afternoon at 5pm. Obviously his comments yesterday will be the main topic of conversation. It will be archived shortly after the show concludes.
(10-18-2012 12:35 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote: [ -> ]Memphis fans were in the same place just 7 or 8 years ago, begging for a Big East invite because everyone left them behind. Now they hate on ECU for the same? I know they aren't the brightest fans around but the irony is comical/
Stop it. Pay attention. It is NOT "Memphis fans."

It's TOGC. That's his thang. Talk to him, not the rest of us.
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