(09-07-2014 10:37 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 10:34 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 10:22 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 08:27 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 06:32 PM)RougeDawg Wrote:  Does anyone know how the distribution for the G5 will work? It looks like CUSA may get more if we win more games over the other G5 conferences from this article: http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-footbal...up-of-five

I have been trying for weeks to research the answer to this question. It's ostensibly a state secret

Not sure if the link provided will give the answers you're looking for, though there may be some links within the story that help. For instance, there's the comment that 'documents' obtained (here) and (here) by CBSSports.com detailing the revenue split among those four leagues -- Sun Belt, Conference USA, MAC and Mountain West..

Last year, the Sun Belt finished first among the non-AQ conferences and was awarded almost $4MM.

http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaaf/writer/d...ear-of-bcs

Doesn't help. BCS is done. New model is in place this year. That info doesn't tell us anything about this year.

That said, I know how the money distribution allocates for this year. I just don't know how G5 leagues 1 through 5 are going to be ranked and what methodology is going to be used to derive those rankings.

Ok, but would it not be logical that they'd use a similar methodology to what was used in the past? Of course, placing the NCAA and logical in the same sentence might be a stretch.

No, because the rankings were derived from the BCS last year and year's past. The BCS is now officially a Yugo.

Playoff teams are going to be determined by a committee. I honestly find myself wondering if a bunch fat white men are going to sit in a board room and arbitrarily decide where each conference ranks (when 98% of them won't have seen a G5 team all season).

(09-07-2014 10:40 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 10:37 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 10:34 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 10:22 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 08:27 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  I have been trying for weeks to research the answer to this question. It's ostensibly a state secret

Not sure if the link provided will give the answers you're looking for, though there may be some links within the story that help. For instance, there's the comment that 'documents' obtained (here) and (here) by CBSSports.com detailing the revenue split among those four leagues -- Sun Belt, Conference USA, MAC and Mountain West..

Last year, the Sun Belt finished first among the non-AQ conferences and was awarded almost $4MM.

http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaaf/writer/d...ear-of-bcs

Doesn't help. BCS is done. New model is in place this year. That info doesn't tell us anything about this year.

That said, I know how the money distribution allocates for this year. I just don't know how G5 leagues 1 through 5 are going to be ranked and what methodology is going to be used to derive those rankings.

Ok, but would it not be logical that they'd use a similar methodology to what was used in the past? Of course, placing the NCAA and logical in the same sentence might be a stretch.

No, because the rankings were derived from the BCS last year and year's past. The BCS is now officially a Yugo.

Playoff teams are going to be determined by a committee. I honestly find myself wondering if a bunch fat white men are going to sit in a board room and arbitrarily decide where each conference ranks (when 98% of them won't have seen a G5 team all season).

Ah, I see. So what you're saying is that there will be no methodology. We're screwed.

(09-07-2014 10:15 PM)grapes Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 09:50 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 09:44 PM)grapes Wrote:  Two CUSA team's have beaten an AAC team, with that being said I wouldn't act like you have a crown..
The Houston win was a great one and I applaud you for it, but thats it.
I wouldn't run my mouth over beating SMU either.

As for the FBS record,

Tulsa didn't play a G5 team.
Cincinnati has yet to play period.
ECU didn't play a G5 team.
USF didn't play a G5 team.
UCF didn't play a G5 team.
UCONN played BYU who is now ranked.
Temple lost to Navy a team joining us next year.
Memphis lost by 1 TD to #11 UCLA

You guys are making numbers look A LOT better than they really are, the reason why our FBS record his horrid is because of the amount of Power Conferences we played. And the fact that the two teams that actually played teams that were not ended up being bad.

Huh. What the hell? C-USA has played five more P5 games than the AAC.

I don't really give a crap about conference chest beating. Waste of energy, but so far C-USA has beat the projected #1 of the MAC, Sun Belt and the #2 or 3 (IIRC) of the AAC and none of those wins came with our projected #1. We've performed better than anyone else to date, but there is still a lot of football left to play.

At any rate, you guys appear to be very much improved this year. Should be a very competitive game in a few weeks.

As for the top teams I highly doubt any G5 could take down East Carolina, Central Florida or Cincinnati. Beating Houston appears good from just looking at their record last year but you honestly cant count that a good win until they play some more games.

Memphis will be ready for MT.

Wait, what?!? You need to learn how to handle your wine....

What I'm saying is I'm not sure how it will be determined.

I do know this. The selection committee for the four team quasi-playoff isn't going to be allowed to have computer data/rankings. Basically, it's all going to be all witch doctor.

(09-07-2014 10:29 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Just want to clarify this grapes. You claimed the reason your record was so bad is because you played so many more P5, but when challenged that we played five more you claimed that was because of number of teams. So, let's do this the right way. The reality is you've played 67% of your non-conference against P5 whereas C-USA has played 63% percent against P5. That's a one game difference.

That said there isn't much we can tell about two weeks of football, but this is unfortunately how football is judged. Just look at the Big 10. After this past weekend every pundit is saying they are done. No chance at one of the playoff spots. And to this date C-USA is 7-0 and AAC is 0-4. We may not win another and the AAC may win every non-conf game the rest of the season, but for most teams (Cincy not withstanding) half of the non-conf schedule has been played.

My entire point is the teams that are strong in the AAC that could easily go out and win plenty of G5 games we're simply not playing any G5 teams for the first two weeks, therefore its wrong to judge us and make it out that us being the #1 G5 conference is wrong when our best teams have yet to even play other G5's.

(09-07-2014 03:01 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 10:32 AM)Digi368 Wrote:  CUSA is 7-12 against FBS, 0-12 against P5, 7-0 against G5

7-0 vs G5 is the best news thus far. CUSA as a whole has played some of the better teams in the P5 so I am not especially shocked with the 0-12

Wins against New Mexicos mean Houston is your premiere win, not exactly great. And better teams? Illinois, Miss St (twice), Zona, NCSU, Minnesota, TTU, Nebraska (way overrated every year), Texas (again overrated).
All mid to lower tier P5 teams.

The only "top" p5 teams you've played are Bama, ND (borderline), and Okie. You should be at least 4-8 right now.

ULL is the premier win. They were receiving votes. The ACC is garbage. Stay in your board. Where you are ranked 10th out of 10th by RPI as a conference. Scrubs.

(09-07-2014 04:28 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  Our schedule against the G5 this coming week...

Ohio @ Marshall
Eastern Michigan @ Old Dominion
Tulsa @ Florida Atlantic
New Mexico @ UTEP

We should be at least 10-1 against the G5 after week three (knock on wood). The main question mark is FAU. The Owls finished the season strong last year, but it's hard to get a read on them so far this season because of the competition they've faced (Nebraska and Alabama); definitely the toughest schedule so far after 2 weeks.

FAU is awful. Nebraska should have lost to McNeese state.... FAU got throttled by nebraska. They lost key pieces and coaching that killed them. However, Tulsa is also terrible so that may be the pillow fight kf the week.

(09-07-2014 10:55 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 03:01 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 10:32 AM)Digi368 Wrote:  CUSA is 7-12 against FBS, 0-12 against P5, 7-0 against G5

7-0 vs G5 is the best news thus far. CUSA as a whole has played some of the better teams in the P5 so I am not especially shocked with the 0-12

Wins against New Mexicos mean Houston is your premiere win, not exactly great. And better teams? Illinois, Miss St (twice), Zona, NCSU, Minnesota, TTU, Nebraska (way overrated every year), Texas (again overrated).
All mid to lower tier P5 teams.

The only "top" p5 teams you've played are Bama, ND (borderline), and Okie. You should be at least 4-8 right now.

ULL is the premier win. They were receiving votes. The ACC is garbage. Stay in your board. Where you are ranked 10th out of 10th by RPI as a conference. Scrubs.

silly goose, don't be butt hurt that you didn't make the train.

(09-07-2014 10:59 PM)grapes Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 10:55 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 03:01 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 10:32 AM)Digi368 Wrote:  CUSA is 7-12 against FBS, 0-12 against P5, 7-0 against G5

7-0 vs G5 is the best news thus far. CUSA as a whole has played some of the better teams in the P5 so I am not especially shocked with the 0-12

Wins against New Mexicos mean Houston is your premiere win, not exactly great. And better teams? Illinois, Miss St (twice), Zona, NCSU, Minnesota, TTU, Nebraska (way overrated every year), Texas (again overrated).
All mid to lower tier P5 teams.

The only "top" p5 teams you've played are Bama, ND (borderline), and Okie. You should be at least 4-8 right now.

ULL is the premier win. They were receiving votes. The ACC is garbage. Stay in your board. Where you are ranked 10th out of 10th by RPI as a conference. Scrubs.

silly goose, don't be butt hurt that you didn't make the train.

Why take the train when you can take a plane?

(09-07-2014 11:01 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 10:59 PM)grapes Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 10:55 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 03:01 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 10:32 AM)Digi368 Wrote:  CUSA is 7-12 against FBS, 0-12 against P5, 7-0 against G5

7-0 vs G5 is the best news thus far. CUSA as a whole has played some of the better teams in the P5 so I am not especially shocked with the 0-12

Wins against New Mexicos mean Houston is your premiere win, not exactly great. And better teams? Illinois, Miss St (twice), Zona, NCSU, Minnesota, TTU, Nebraska (way overrated every year), Texas (again overrated).
All mid to lower tier P5 teams.

The only "top" p5 teams you've played are Bama, ND (borderline), and Okie. You should be at least 4-8 right now.

ULL is the premier win. They were receiving votes. The ACC is garbage. Stay in your board. Where you are ranked 10th out of 10th by RPI as a conference. Scrubs.

silly goose, don't be butt hurt that you didn't make the train.

Why take the train when you can take a plane?

Because the plane is headed to the dirt.

(09-07-2014 10:48 PM)grapes Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 10:29 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Just want to clarify this grapes. You claimed the reason your record was so bad is because you played so many more P5, but when challenged that we played five more you claimed that was because of number of teams. So, let's do this the right way. The reality is you've played 67% of your non-conference against P5 whereas C-USA has played 63% percent against P5. That's a one game difference.

That said there isn't much we can tell about two weeks of football, but this is unfortunately how football is judged. Just look at the Big 10. After this past weekend every pundit is saying they are done. No chance at one of the playoff spots. And to this date C-USA is 7-0 and AAC is 0-4. We may not win another and the AAC may win every non-conf game the rest of the season, but for most teams (Cincy not withstanding) half of the non-conf schedule has been played.

My entire point is the teams that are strong in the AAC that could easily go out and win plenty of G5 games we're simply not playing any G5 teams for the first two weeks, therefore its wrong to judge us and make it out that us being the #1 G5 conference is wrong when our best teams have yet to even play other G5's.

Neither has Rice or Marshall - the two defending division champs (or Middle Tenn for that matter), so several of our best teams have yet to play other G5's too. That argument really doesn't hold much water.

Poor AAC.... it would suck to be last in the G5....

(09-07-2014 11:03 PM)grapes Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 11:01 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 10:59 PM)grapes Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 10:55 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 03:01 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  Wins against New Mexicos mean Houston is your premiere win, not exactly great. And better teams? Illinois, Miss St (twice), Zona, NCSU, Minnesota, TTU, Nebraska (way overrated every year), Texas (again overrated).
All mid to lower tier P5 teams.

The only "top" p5 teams you've played are Bama, ND (borderline), and Okie. You should be at least 4-8 right now.

ULL is the premier win. They were receiving votes. The ACC is garbage. Stay in your board. Where you are ranked 10th out of 10th by RPI as a conference. Scrubs.

silly goose, don't be butt hurt that you didn't make the train.

Why take the train when you can take a plane?

Because the plane is headed to the dirt.

And your train ran out of steam

(09-07-2014 10:15 PM)grapes Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 09:50 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 09:44 PM)grapes Wrote:  Two CUSA team's have beaten an AAC team, with that being said I wouldn't act like you have a crown..
The Houston win was a great one and I applaud you for it, but thats it.
I wouldn't run my mouth over beating SMU either.

As for the FBS record,

Tulsa didn't play a G5 team.
Cincinnati has yet to play period.
ECU didn't play a G5 team.
USF didn't play a G5 team.
UCF didn't play a G5 team.
UCONN played BYU who is now ranked.
Temple lost to Navy a team joining us next year.
Memphis lost by 1 TD to #11 UCLA

You guys are making numbers look A LOT better than they really are, the reason why our FBS record his horrid is because of the amount of Power Conferences we played. And the fact that the two teams that actually played teams that were not ended up being bad.

Huh. What the hell? C-USA has played five more P5 games than the AAC.

I don't really give a crap about conference chest beating. Waste of energy, but so far C-USA has beat the projected #1 of the MAC, Sun Belt and the #2 or 3 (IIRC) of the AAC and none of those wins came with our projected #1. We've performed better than anyone else to date, but there is still a lot of football left to play.

At any rate, you guys appear to be very much improved this year. Should be a very competitive game in a few weeks.

More teams is why you've played more P5 teams and the fact that FAU has already played two in the first two weeks. Bottom line is our TOP teams in our conference have yet to play any G5 FBS teams and make our record good. Thats simply the reason behind it being bad.

As for the top teams I highly doubt any G5 could take down East Carolina, Central Florida or Cincinnati. Beating Houston appears good from just looking at their record last year but you honestly cant count that a good win until they play some more games.

Memphis will be ready for MT.

Why didn't any of those teams go undefeated in CUSA? ECU was in the conference last year. They didn't win the championship, and they were not undefeated. Are you claiming that they got better, but the teams in CUSA got worse? Take off the homer glasses, and look at reality. They are good teams, but our best teams would most certainly be competitive against them.

(09-07-2014 11:04 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 10:48 PM)grapes Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 10:29 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Just want to clarify this grapes. You claimed the reason your record was so bad is because you played so many more P5, but when challenged that we played five more you claimed that was because of number of teams. So, let's do this the right way. The reality is you've played 67% of your non-conference against P5 whereas C-USA has played 63% percent against P5. That's a one game difference.

That said there isn't much we can tell about two weeks of football, but this is unfortunately how football is judged. Just look at the Big 10. After this past weekend every pundit is saying they are done. No chance at one of the playoff spots. And to this date C-USA is 7-0 and AAC is 0-4. We may not win another and the AAC may win every non-conf game the rest of the season, but for most teams (Cincy not withstanding) half of the non-conf schedule has been played.

My entire point is the teams that are strong in the AAC that could easily go out and win plenty of G5 games we're simply not playing any G5 teams for the first two weeks, therefore its wrong to judge us and make it out that us being the #1 G5 conference is wrong when our best teams have yet to even play other G5's.

Neither has Rice or Marshall - the two defending division champs (or Middle Tenn for that matter), so several of our best teams have yet to play other G5's too. That argument really doesn't hold much water.

Is this hard for you to understand?
You're judging our conference over G5 wins, when 7 out of 11 teams in our conference happen to not even play a G5 team these two weeks.
You're wrong about marshall as Miami OH is a G5 team.
There was only FIVE teams not to play a G5 team out of 13 teams in CUSA. You guys played double the amount of G5 teams than we did.
This is the exact reason behind your great record.
Not sure how to be more clear about this then that.

(09-07-2014 11:09 PM)WEARE Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 10:15 PM)grapes Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 09:50 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 09:44 PM)grapes Wrote:  Two CUSA team's have beaten an AAC team, with that being said I wouldn't act like you have a crown..
The Houston win was a great one and I applaud you for it, but thats it.
I wouldn't run my mouth over beating SMU either.

As for the FBS record,

Tulsa didn't play a G5 team.
Cincinnati has yet to play period.
ECU didn't play a G5 team.
USF didn't play a G5 team.
UCF didn't play a G5 team.
UCONN played BYU who is now ranked.
Temple lost to Navy a team joining us next year.
Memphis lost by 1 TD to #11 UCLA

You guys are making numbers look A LOT better than they really are, the reason why our FBS record his horrid is because of the amount of Power Conferences we played. And the fact that the two teams that actually played teams that were not ended up being bad.

Huh. What the hell? C-USA has played five more P5 games than the AAC.

I don't really give a crap about conference chest beating. Waste of energy, but so far C-USA has beat the projected #1 of the MAC, Sun Belt and the #2 or 3 (IIRC) of the AAC and none of those wins came with our projected #1. We've performed better than anyone else to date, but there is still a lot of football left to play.

At any rate, you guys appear to be very much improved this year. Should be a very competitive game in a few weeks.

More teams is why you've played more P5 teams and the fact that FAU has already played two in the first two weeks. Bottom line is our TOP teams in our conference have yet to play any G5 FBS teams and make our record good. Thats simply the reason behind it being bad.

As for the top teams I highly doubt any G5 could take down East Carolina, Central Florida or Cincinnati. Beating Houston appears good from just looking at their record last year but you honestly cant count that a good win until they play some more games.

Memphis will be ready for MT.

Why didn't any of those teams go undefeated in CUSA? ECU was in the conference last year. They didn't win the championship, and they were not undefeated. Are you claiming that they got better, but the teams in CUSA got worse? Take off the homer glasses, and look at reality. They are good teams, but our best teams would most certainly be competitive against them.

You're the same type of kid who goes out and says "the big 12 is better than the SEC just look at A&M they're doing great but struggled in the big 12"

Going into better conferences expands teams, every team in our conference is better or going to be better with the more opportunities and resources in our conference then they ever we're in CUSA. More money better TV deals new stadiums better recruits ect ect the teams in our conference are growing stronger then they've ever been. And if teams jumping ship from CUSA to the AAC is not evident of us being superior then I don't know what is.

(09-07-2014 11:16 PM)grapes Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 11:04 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 10:48 PM)grapes Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 10:29 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Just want to clarify this grapes. You claimed the reason your record was so bad is because you played so many more P5, but when challenged that we played five more you claimed that was because of number of teams. So, let's do this the right way. The reality is you've played 67% of your non-conference against P5 whereas C-USA has played 63% percent against P5. That's a one game difference.

That said there isn't much we can tell about two weeks of football, but this is unfortunately how football is judged. Just look at the Big 10. After this past weekend every pundit is saying they are done. No chance at one of the playoff spots. And to this date C-USA is 7-0 and AAC is 0-4. We may not win another and the AAC may win every non-conf game the rest of the season, but for most teams (Cincy not withstanding) half of the non-conf schedule has been played.

My entire point is the teams that are strong in the AAC that could easily go out and win plenty of G5 games we're simply not playing any G5 teams for the first two weeks, therefore its wrong to judge us and make it out that us being the #1 G5 conference is wrong when our best teams have yet to even play other G5's.

Neither has Rice or Marshall - the two defending division champs (or Middle Tenn for that matter), so several of our best teams have yet to play other G5's too. That argument really doesn't hold much water.

Is this hard for you to understand?
You're judging our conference over G5 wins, when 7 out of 11 teams in our conference happen to not even play a G5 team these two weeks.
You're wrong about marshall as Miami OH is a G5 team.
There was only FIVE teams not to play a G5 team out of 13 teams in CUSA. You guys played double the amount of G5 teams than we did.
This is the exact reason behind your great record.
Not sure how to be more clear about this then that.

Congratulations, today you are the winner of the Homerism Award!

(09-07-2014 11:24 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 11:16 PM)grapes Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 11:04 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 10:48 PM)grapes Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 10:29 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Just want to clarify this grapes. You claimed the reason your record was so bad is because you played so many more P5, but when challenged that we played five more you claimed that was because of number of teams. So, let's do this the right way. The reality is you've played 67% of your non-conference against P5 whereas C-USA has played 63% percent against P5. That's a one game difference.

That said there isn't much we can tell about two weeks of football, but this is unfortunately how football is judged. Just look at the Big 10. After this past weekend every pundit is saying they are done. No chance at one of the playoff spots. And to this date C-USA is 7-0 and AAC is 0-4. We may not win another and the AAC may win every non-conf game the rest of the season, but for most teams (Cincy not withstanding) half of the non-conf schedule has been played.

My entire point is the teams that are strong in the AAC that could easily go out and win plenty of G5 games we're simply not playing any G5 teams for the first two weeks, therefore its wrong to judge us and make it out that us being the #1 G5 conference is wrong when our best teams have yet to even play other G5's.

Neither has Rice or Marshall - the two defending division champs (or Middle Tenn for that matter), so several of our best teams have yet to play other G5's too. That argument really doesn't hold much water.

Is this hard for you to understand?
You're judging our conference over G5 wins, when 7 out of 11 teams in our conference happen to not even play a G5 team these two weeks.
You're wrong about marshall as Miami OH is a G5 team.
There was only FIVE teams not to play a G5 team out of 13 teams in CUSA. You guys played double the amount of G5 teams than we did.
This is the exact reason behind your great record.
Not sure how to be more clear about this then that.

Congratulations, today you are the winner of the Homerism Award!

very funny . .
hey great win vs houston and a thrilling game vs arizona

(09-07-2014 11:24 PM)grapes Wrote:  And if teams jumping ship from CUSA to the AAC is not evident of us being superior then I don't know what is.

Isn't Tulsa the only CUSA school to slide over to the AAC?

So 7 of 11 AAC teams haven't played another G5, won't look it up, I'll take your word for it. CUSA has only played 7 G5 games so far. Since we have 14 teams that means we also have at least 7 teams that haven't played a G5 yet. So you really have no point there.

Here's the thing, our conference has already knock off the MAC and Belt preseason favorites and also the preseason 1 to 4, depending on the source, AAC team. And frankly the CUSA teams dominated in those games. Out of the 5 G5 conferences we are the only one with a winning record playing against teams in that pool, and it's by a dominate margin.

Through 2 weeks of football the AAC has exactly zero good wins against any level, P5 or G5. That's the reality.