Then why ever do it?

The lack of even a neutral (much less cordial) greeting deserved and need be called out.

And the immediate jump to personality not policy showed what this was.

(08-01-2024 07:42 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Then why ever do it?

Because Trump was told initially that Biden would be there, and then Kamala, who backed out at the last minute due to Sheila Jackson Lee's funeral.

However, that is a five day affair, and she could easily have made the NABJ event. It was just an excuse on her part not to answer questions, or be on a stage with Trump.

Trump didn't know any of that until he walked out on the stage, so he was ambushed.

(08-01-2024 07:41 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 06:49 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Some of you seem to think that Trump should just sit back, take the abuse and be gracious about it. First of all, that's not how blacks operate, they are largely assertive to the point of aggressiveness. You cannot deal with people like that by laying down and taking it, they see that as a weakness to be pounced on.

Most of those who think he did poorly are older and used to politeness in our political discourse. Newsflash, those days are as gone as our youth itself. It is long past time to stand tall against those who would trash us. I have long wished that GOP candidates would get dirty with their opponents, get in the trenches and get some dirt under their fingernails. The dems aren't afraid of a little dirt, neither should we be. We have consistently taken the high road and look where we are now, just a push away from going over the edge.

Trump did just fine given his audience and the outright hostility of at least two of the interviewers. Like others here I too occasionally heard laughter and applause from the audience. There were those in attendance who support him, very few, but some.

He could have shown up, peeled off a skinsuit and revealed a black man underneath and they'd still not like him.

Also, one more thing, he needs to pound the message that she isn't actually black. Unlike some here who think that's a losing strategy, I think he has absolutely nothing to lose and stands to gain the votes of intelligent objective blacks who are feeling the same pain economically that their white and brown counterparts are feeling.

Black men may well save this country, there's a certain irony that is almost poetic justice within that dynamic.

Harris Faulkner was there as one of the 3 interviewers, and she certainly is a Trump supporter. She said the lack of greeting and the ambush question right off the bat was BS, and should never have happened.

OTOH, she also said that Trump could have handled it more diplomatically without being out of character. She said he could have taken the air out of the room, and out of that line of questioning, by coming at it in a different manner. But he chose not to do so.

I agree with Faulkner. This was not a Trump rally. It was a den of vipers. He could have handled it better.

If you disagree, that's fine, but honestly, if he loses, it's going to be for things like that. Remember, there are only about 2-3% max undecided voters out there, if that many. Some were likely in that room yesterday, and many many more were watching.

That was Trump's chance to be the hero, just like at his assassination attempt, and this time he missed the mark.

Does that make me not want to vote for him? Of course not. But I bet that response lost more undecided voters than it won.

Let Trump be Trump, I guess, take him or leave him, but all I'm saying is he could win more undecided voters by proving he can calmly perform in adverse situations, answer unfair questions calmly, and he chose not to do that.

Red meat for supporters like us. Not so much for undecided voters.

This is where we disagree the most. He was not going to change a single black female vote under and circumstance, the ones he is after is the black male vote.

And following you advice here was not going to impress or swing a single male black voter. Pushing back on those harpies was the best move he could make to attract more black males.

(08-01-2024 07:48 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Trump didn't know any of that until he walked out on the stage, so he was ambushed.

Do you know that for a fact? If so, he needs to fire all his staff then. It sounds ridiculous.

(08-01-2024 07:48 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 07:42 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Then why ever do it?

Because Trump was told initially that Biden would be there, and then Kamala, who backed out at the last minute due to Sheila Jackson Lee's funeral.

However, that is a five day affair, and she could easily have made the NABJ event. It was just an excuse on her part not to answer questions, or be on a stage with Trump.

Trump didn't know any of that until he walked out on the stage, so he was ambushed.

It was an ambush of absurd proportions. No doubt.

(08-01-2024 07:38 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 07:26 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  I haven’t watched the interview but I can safely assume that Trump was far and away the smartest person in the room. Not a high bar to clear though

Yeah and he didnt pander. The abc chick asked him a rat court question and he called her on it.

Nobody mind was getting changed at that freak show

Disagree. Nobody's mind was changed at the event, but plenty of undecided minds watching on TV or reading about it later could have been changed.

He could have called her on it in a less confrontational and more diplomatic manner. If you think not, then you really aren't giving Trump much credit.

Look at Kamala. She is trying hard to run away from her entire record and lots of past comments.

All we needed Trump to do yesterday was be slightly more diplomatic in his answer to one question, and take the air out of the room, without turning into Kamala, and he missed the opportunity.

Trump just cannot react to any slight without firing cannons at it. You would hope that just for 3 months, he could figure that out. If so, he might be able to win handily. But so far, no...

(08-01-2024 07:48 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 07:42 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Then why ever do it?

Because Trump was told initially that Biden would be there, and then Kamala, who backed out at the last minute due to Sheila Jackson Lee's funeral.

However, that is a five day affair, and she could easily have made the NABJ event. It was just an excuse on her part not to answer questions, or be on a stage with Trump.

Trump didn't know any of that until he walked out on the stage, so he was ambushed.

The Christian's had better odds against the lions in the coliseum.

Just a complete waste of time that did nothing but give the left talking points.

(08-01-2024 08:04 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 07:48 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 07:42 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Then why ever do it?

Because Trump was told initially that Biden would be there, and then Kamala, who backed out at the last minute due to Sheila Jackson Lee's funeral.

However, that is a five day affair, and she could easily have made the NABJ event. It was just an excuse on her part not to answer questions, or be on a stage with Trump.

Trump didn't know any of that until he walked out on the stage, so he was ambushed.

The Christian's had better odds against the lions in the coliseum.

Just a complete waste of time that did nothing but give the left talking points.

I agree, but Trump had reason to believe both candidates would be there, so I'm sure that's why he accepted.

I agree with 3A. It was a missed opportunity.

But on the upside, it could have been SO much worse. That Trump made his points while (for the most part) keeping his cool shows a maturing candidate. And in that small sense it was a marginal victory.

(08-01-2024 07:56 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 07:38 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 07:26 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  I haven’t watched the interview but I can safely assume that Trump was far and away the smartest person in the room. Not a high bar to clear though

Yeah and he didnt pander. The abc chick asked him a rat court question and he called her on it.

Nobody mind was getting changed at that freak show

Disagree. Nobody's mind was changed at the event, but plenty of undecided minds watching on TV or reading about it later could have been changed.

He could have called her on it in a less confrontational and more diplomatic manner. If you think not, then you really aren't giving Trump much credit.

Look at Kamala. She is trying hard to run away from her entire record and lots of past comments.

All we needed Trump to do yesterday was be slightly more diplomatic in his answer to one question, and take the air out of the room, without turning into Kamala, and he missed the opportunity.

Trump just cannot react to any slight without firing cannons at it. You would hope that just for 3 months, he could figure that out. If so, he might be able to win handily. But so far, no...

If you think Trump messed up today, you really don't understand how to win against the media.

For 9 days, the media has had one narrative.

"Harris is the greatest thing since slice bread" To push that narrative, they have scrubbed her record, made up lies, sent Biden into retirement never to be seen again, pushed her astrotruf as organic support and on and on.

They would have kept doing it for the next 100 days. Many will still try.

Trump changed the narrative today. You can't change the narrative without controversy. You can't change the narrative without saying or doing something that the media is forced to refute or their narrative collapses.

They had to switch from promoting Harris to defending her.

He attacked on several fronts today at the press event, from Indian American to border czar, to bidenomocs impacting the black community, to energy policy. He questioned her truthfulness, her policies, the very narratives they had spun, and because of that, they were forced to defend instead of being on the offense.

He also sparked interest in his rally, where he surgically destructed the entire fake narrative on Harris to his supporters.

You can't do any of that by playing it safe. If he did that, the media would just ignore him like they have for the past 9 days, and the Harris narrative would be all we heard until the DNC convention......

Will it work? It has a better chance of working than playing it safe and being "Above the fray."

This is what it means to fight the good fight. Leave nothing on the table. Go for the jugular. He scored some major hits today.

-Unseen1_unseen


He’s right. All of this pearl clutching and hand wringing from ‘conservatives’ is silly. You don’t play along with their narrative out of fear of losing some phantom support — you’re just playing right in their hands [allow us to do this or that or we’ll call you racist or sexist, which we are already calling you anyway]

As I was saying, he was fine after the 1st question & got more comfortable as it went along. The issue wasn’t even his temper to that question, it was his answer, all he had to do was say he’s attacking the politicians & their failed policies. The “only Rosie O’Donnel” quote is one I’m always remembered of. But as he got more comfortable his answers got better & his temper got better

(08-01-2024 08:10 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  I agree with 3A. It was a missed opportunity.

But on the upside, it could have been SO much worse. That Trump made his points while (for the most part) keeping his cool shows a maturing candidate. And in that small sense it was a marginal victory.

If people just ignored the media BS, none of this would matter. Nobody trusts MSM anymore and for good reason.


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(08-01-2024 07:56 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 07:38 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 07:26 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  I haven’t watched the interview but I can safely assume that Trump was far and away the smartest person in the room. Not a high bar to clear though

Yeah and he didnt pander. The abc chick asked him a rat court question and he called her on it.

Nobody mind was getting changed at that freak show

Disagree. Nobody's mind was changed at the event, but plenty of undecided minds watching on TV or reading about it later could have been changed.

Yes...and I know it's only polling...but we're seeing a trend of people who were supporting Kennedy being pulled off. And they're not going to trump.

The cult is getting nervous...as they should be.

(08-01-2024 08:04 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 07:48 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 07:42 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Then why ever do it?

Because Trump was told initially that Biden would be there, and then Kamala, who backed out at the last minute due to Sheila Jackson Lee's funeral.

However, that is a five day affair, and she could easily have made the NABJ event. It was just an excuse on her part not to answer questions, or be on a stage with Trump.

Trump didn't know any of that until he walked out on the stage, so he was ambushed.

The Christian's had better odds against the lions in the coliseum.

Just a complete waste of time that did nothing but give the left talking points.

Unless the intent all along was to play his race/birther card for his base.

He hasn't figured out how to attack Harris yet...he better find out quickly.

(08-01-2024 08:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:04 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 07:48 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 07:42 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Then why ever do it?

Because Trump was told initially that Biden would be there, and then Kamala, who backed out at the last minute due to Sheila Jackson Lee's funeral.

However, that is a five day affair, and she could easily have made the NABJ event. It was just an excuse on her part not to answer questions, or be on a stage with Trump.

Trump didn't know any of that until he walked out on the stage, so he was ambushed.

The Christian's had better odds against the lions in the coliseum.

Just a complete waste of time that did nothing but give the left talking points.

Unless the intent all along was to play his race/birther card for his base.

He hasn't figured out how to attack Harris yet...he better find out quickly.

My guess is he will be called racist no matter how he goes after Harris.

(08-01-2024 08:30 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 08:04 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 07:48 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-01-2024 07:42 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Then why ever do it?

Because Trump was told initially that Biden would be there, and then Kamala, who backed out at the last minute due to Sheila Jackson Lee's funeral.

However, that is a five day affair, and she could easily have made the NABJ event. It was just an excuse on her part not to answer questions, or be on a stage with Trump.

Trump didn't know any of that until he walked out on the stage, so he was ambushed.

The Christian's had better odds against the lions in the coliseum.

Just a complete waste of time that did nothing but give the left talking points.

Unless the intent all along was to play his race/birther card for his base.

He hasn't figured out how to attack Harris yet...he better find out quickly.

My guess is he will be called racist no matter how he goes after Harris.

Well, if yesterday is any indication...he deserves that moniker. And it's not like he doesn't have a history. Central Park 5, Indian Casinos, Redlining, etc.

It's really ******* simple. Stop talking about where she was born and who her parents were.

(08-01-2024 08:10 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  If you think Trump messed up today, you really don't understand how to win against the media.

For 9 days, the media has had one narrative.

"Harris is the greatest thing since slice bread" To push that narrative, they have scrubbed her record, made up lies, sent Biden into retirement never to be seen again, pushed her astrotruf as organic support and on and on.

They would have kept doing it for the next 100 days. Many will still try.

Trump changed the narrative today. You can't change the narrative without controversy. You can't change the narrative without saying or doing something that the media is forced to refute or their narrative collapses.

They had to switch from promoting Harris to defending her.

He attacked on several fronts today at the press event, from Indian American to border czar, to bidenomocs impacting the black community, to energy policy. He questioned her truthfulness, her policies, the very narratives they had spun, and because of that, they were forced to defend instead of being on the offense.

He also sparked interest in his rally, where he surgically destructed the entire fake narrative on Harris to his supporters.

You can't do any of that by playing it safe. If he did that, the media would just ignore him like they have for the past 9 days, and the Harris narrative would be all we heard until the DNC convention......

Will it work? It has a better chance of working than playing it safe and being "Above the fray."

This is what it means to fight the good fight. Leave nothing on the table. Go for the jugular. He scored some major hits today.

-Unseen1_unseen


He’s right. All of this pearl clutching and hand wringing from ‘conservatives’ is silly. You don’t play along with their narrative out of fear of losing some phantom support — you’re just playing right in their hands [allow us to do this or that or we’ll call you racist or sexist, which we are already calling you anyway]

Agreed. +3

You can't play the media and dims game and you can't sit around and expect them to expose her for you. It up to the guy at the top of the ticket to move the narrative on her.

How do you "stop talking about it" when a journalist directly asks you about it? She asked a loaded question with multiple accusations and he answered it. As he should have.

Hasn’t figured out yet how to attack Kumswala?? lol

She’s part of the biggest failure of a presidential admin in history. She has completely screwed up the one thing she was tasked by the mumbling failure to take care of at the southern border. She is a far left radical loon.