We are not the world's police.

(08-27-2023 11:02 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(08-27-2023 10:27 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(08-27-2023 10:19 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-27-2023 10:09 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(08-27-2023 09:54 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I take it your all's position is that you are okay with Russia grabbing Ukraine by force?

A simple yes or no is all that is needed.

Well what do you mean by ok?

I don't agree with it, but I'm not willing to drop a trillion dollars and spill a lot of America blood over it. Nor am I willing to go to WW3 or risk a nuclear war over it. Nations have risen and fallen since man has existed and Ukraine is one of the most corrupt and fake "democracies" in the world.

So you are okay with the takeover by force. You are willing to stand by the sidelines and let it happen with zero response. Sounds fun.

How about Lithuania?

(quick second and third question --- how much American blood has been spilled in Ukraine? Has WW3 started? I cant find a mention of that issue of WW3 being an ogoing issue anywhere. Just trying to separate rhetoric from fact, here....)

Get real tanq, that is the excuse for every war hawk in America. Go to war with Russia here or we will end up in WW3 because Putin (who is struggling bad to even hold a few provinces) will then conquer the entire eastern bloc.

Your post is a crock and you know it, there are multiple things we could do because engage in a full on war with a nuclear superpower.

You can throw out a thousandth wild fantasy hypotheticals, its not going to convince me we need to risk an all out war with a nuclear superpower just to prop up one of the most corrupt governments in the world.

They could negotiate a cease fire right now and still keep most of Ukraine, but too many powerful people in Washington want a forever war here.

Tanq, hot air with NO SUBSTANCE???? That’s really hard to believe. He tends to try to apply his legal philosophy into other areas where it whiffs more times than not.

All in all the points he makes are just more sounding boards of what the talking heads want you to believe.

Follow the money trail to understand Ukraine. It has nothing to do with some moral obligation feel good obsession.

But hey whatever floats your boat. For DC it’s business as usual.

Got it. Big money conspiracy. With no details. And you ***** like hell about *my* supposed 'No Substance'. Rich. Absolutely rich.

(08-27-2023 06:24 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(08-26-2023 11:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-26-2023 11:30 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Why we be there? Money or troops?

What’s our nations interest in protecting this particular national border when we can’t and won’t protect our own?

How bout we send the next 100 Billion dollars to securing our house? We’re being invaded, anyone who can’t see that is simply blind.

Pro-Tip: this isn’t “immigration”. Stop lying

This is protecting our own. And we are doing with Ukrainian lives, instead of our troops tangling with Russians in NATO countries like Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia and maybe even Hungary and Poland.

Have none of y'all ever heard of Neville Chamberlin? Munich?

I mean one could argue the opposite. Vietnam seems a more appropriate analogy. "If we don't contain them in Vietnam then they'll be a domino effect throughout southeast asia"

Ukraine is losing and will lose this war. It comes down to materials and population. Russia has the advantage. Even US officials are leaking to the media that Ukraien can't win and needs to negotiate.

1. Our troops aren't in Ukraine.
2. This is not a civil war like Vietnam or the Afghan wars that have been going on since time immemorial.
3. The dominos were limited, but Laos and Cambodia did fall. Thailand did not.
4. Russia has been losing this war since the opening couple of months. Russia cannot produce the materials that the west can supply to Ukraine. As for men, the appropriate example IS Vietnam. We killed many more of them, but they were fighting for their country while we were fighting for dominos. And we ran out of patience and left our allies in South Vietnam on their own.

(08-27-2023 09:54 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I take it your all's position is that you are okay with Russia (that is Putin) grabbing Ukraine by force?

A simple yes or no is all that is needed.

Yes.

Long before this came up I had the same opinion I have now. I based my opinion on the United States of America. If we had an economic disaster that shattered our country and left it in shambles, the very moment the central goverment could, they would retake territory... If California said no thanks, we are going to remain independent, they would be retaken. If Texas said hell no, we are Texas, they would be retaken. I have always expected at some point Russia (the motherland) would try to retake territory they lost in the fracture and I always said when they do... that is between them. Same as it would be between us if the USA splintered.

(08-27-2023 11:06 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-27-2023 06:24 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(08-26-2023 11:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-26-2023 11:30 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Why we be there? Money or troops?

What’s our nations interest in protecting this particular national border when we can’t and won’t protect our own?

How bout we send the next 100 Billion dollars to securing our house? We’re being invaded, anyone who can’t see that is simply blind.

Pro-Tip: this isn’t “immigration”. Stop lying

This is protecting our own. And we are doing with Ukrainian lives, instead of our troops tangling with Russians in NATO countries like Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia and maybe even Hungary and Poland.

Have none of y'all ever heard of Neville Chamberlin? Munich?

I mean one could argue the opposite. Vietnam seems a more appropriate analogy. "If we don't contain them in Vietnam then they'll be a domino effect throughout southeast asia"

Ukraine is losing and will lose this war. It comes down to materials and population. Russia has the advantage. Even US officials are leaking to the media that Ukraien can't win and needs to negotiate.

1. Our troops aren't in Ukraine.
2. This is not a civil war like Vietnam or the Afghan wars that have been going on since time immemorial.
3. The dominos were limited, but Laos and Cambodia did fall. Thailand did not.
4. Russia has been losing this war since the opening couple of months. Russia cannot produce the materials that the west can supply to Ukraine. As for men, the appropriate example IS Vietnam. We killed many more of them, but they were fighting for their country while we were fighting for dominos. And we ran out of patience and left our allies in South Vietnam on their own.

The best analogy absolutely *is* Vietnam -- when you view it as a Russian quagmire of the cost of men, materiel, and political capital in the world. They bit off a big bite, and the Western world is now doing to that system what the Soviet system did to the US in Vietnam.

Soviet losses in Vietnam -- 0. With a world of geopolitical upside for them. And a cost of 50k United States servicemen. And the Soviets had a very successful proxy war that helped them for a decade and a half after that. Again with no Soviet cost except economic aid. That is a near bloodless big win for them as they could manage.

I have zero problems with the reverse of that equation. With the added benefit of stopping a murdering asshat dead in his tracks.

(08-27-2023 06:45 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(08-26-2023 11:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-26-2023 11:30 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Why we be there? Money or troops?

What’s our nations interest in protecting this particular national border when we can’t and won’t protect our own?

How bout we send the next 100 Billion dollars to securing our house? We’re being invaded, anyone who can’t see that is simply blind.

Pro-Tip: this isn’t “immigration”. Stop lying

This is protecting our own. And we are doing with Ukrainian lives, instead of our troops tangling with Russians in NATO countries like Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia and maybe even Hungary and Poland.

Have none of y'all ever heard of Neville Chamberlin? Munich?

Putin is struggling badly to even hold a few provinces in Ukraine but now he is going to conquer eastern Europe?

You guys are totally clueless to how contradictory and stupid all this sounds. Ukraine is clearly going to lose but at this rate it would take Putin 300 years to conquer the eastern bloc.

Every war under the sun is Neville Chamberlain and Munich and WW2 all over again of we don't agree to it.

GRADE A BS and its obvious at this point.

Putin invaded Ukraine because he thought it would be easy like 2014. If we had let him overrun Ukraine, he WOULD be going into Moldova. His underlings have said it. He has been sending troops into African conflicts. He tipped the balance in Syria. He has gotten more and more aggressive. And he WOULD have tried to move into the Baltics. He had to be shown the West's resolve and the value of western weapons.

Ukraine is bleeding his army and eliminating his desire for adventurism.

When Russia has been losing ground, I don't know how you come up with the conclusion that Ukraine is clearly going to lose. That sounds like MacGregor.

(08-27-2023 11:11 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(08-27-2023 09:54 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I take it your all's position is that you are okay with Russia (that is Putin) grabbing Ukraine by force?

A simple yes or no is all that is needed.

Yes.

Long before this came up I had the same opinion I have now. I based my opinion on the United States of America. If we had an economic disaster that shattered our country and left it in shambles, the very moment the central goverment could, they would retake territory... If California said no thanks, we are going to remain independent, they would be retaken. If Texas said hell no, we are Texas, they would be retaken. I have always expected at some point Russia (the motherland) would try to retake territory they lost in the fracture and I always said when they do... that is between them. Same as it would be between us if the USA splintered.

Appreciate your candor.

I respectfully disagree for numerous reasons.

(08-27-2023 11:04 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  We are not the world's police.

Culturally polish Ukraine bombed shite out of cukturally russian ukraine. We installed a puppet to launder money. The puppet starts sucking nato and the eu off. Russis has enough. We see a double opportunity. Throw in eith the german doninated globohomos while keeping the money flowing. Tard americans bought the muh democracy bullshite while the little bastard zelenksky goes full dictator..

Has anyone wondered why the usually anti war prog filth love this one. I can tell you why. Theyve been told to love it. Frickin retarded sheep.

I guess we are getting back to the slavi tard narrative since the latest incarnation of orange man bad and covid arent working. The climate horshite only holds peoples attrntion when thrre are natural disasters.

Frick stupid people

(08-27-2023 10:09 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(08-27-2023 09:54 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I take it your all's position is that you are okay with Russia grabbing Ukraine by force?

A simple yes or no is all that is needed.

Well what do you mean by ok?

I don't agree with it, but I'm not willing to drop a trillion dollars and spill a lot of America blood over it. Nor am I willing to go to WW3 or risk a nuclear war over it. Nations have risen and fallen since man has existed and Ukraine is one of the most corrupt and fake "democracies" in the world.

There is NO American blood. Putin won't do a nuclear war. He wants to live. With no Americans, there is no WW3.

Last sentence is pure Russian propaganda. Genocide is ok if the country is corrupt?

(08-27-2023 11:17 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-27-2023 11:04 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  We are not the world's police.

Culturally polish Ukraine bombed shite out of cukturally russian ukraine. We installed a puppet to launder money. The puppet starts sucking nato and the eu off. Russis has enough. We see a double opportunity. Throw in eith the german doninated globohomos while keeping the money flowing. Tard americans bought the muh democracy bullshite while the little bastard zelenksky goes full dictator..

Has anyone wondered why the usually anti war prog filth love this one. I can tell you why. Theyve been told to love it. Frickin retarded sheep

Spot on as per usual

(08-27-2023 11:11 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  Yes.

Long before this came up I had the same opinion I have now. I based my opinion on the United States of America. If we had an economic disaster that shattered our country and left it in shambles, the very moment the central goverment could, they would retake territory... If California said no thanks, we are going to remain independent, they would be retaken. If Texas said hell no, we are Texas, they would be retaken. I have always expected at some point Russia (the motherland) would try to retake territory they lost in the fracture and I always said when they do... that is between them. Same as it would be between us if the USA splintered.

Exactly. Not.our.business.

(08-27-2023 10:27 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(08-27-2023 10:19 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-27-2023 10:09 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(08-27-2023 09:54 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I take it your all's position is that you are okay with Russia grabbing Ukraine by force?

A simple yes or no is all that is needed.

Well what do you mean by ok?

I don't agree with it, but I'm not willing to drop a trillion dollars and spill a lot of America blood over it. Nor am I willing to go to WW3 or risk a nuclear war over it. Nations have risen and fallen since man has existed and Ukraine is one of the most corrupt and fake "democracies" in the world.

So you are okay with the takeover by force. You are willing to stand by the sidelines and let it happen with zero response. Sounds fun.

How about Lithuania?

(quick second and third question --- how much American blood has been spilled in Ukraine? Has WW3 started? I cant find a mention of that issue of WW3 being an ogoing issue anywhere. Just trying to separate rhetoric from fact, here....)

Get real tanq, that is the excuse for every war hawk in America. Go to war with Russia here or we will end up in WW3 because Putin (who is struggling bad to even hold a few provinces) will then conquer the entire eastern bloc.

Your post is a crock and you know it, there are multiple things we could do because engage in a full on war with a nuclear superpower.

You can throw out a thousandth wild fantasy hypotheticals, its not going to convince me we need to risk an all out war with a nuclear superpower just to prop up one of the most corrupt governments in the world.

They could negotiate a cease fire right now and still keep most of Ukraine, but too many powerful people in Washington want a forever war here.

More Russian BS. Putin is not interested in negotiating. Never has been. There was a deal for status quo with Ukraine agreeing never to join NATO (not that we would ever have admitted them), but he wanted to overthrow the government and create a puppet state. And we can't tell Ukraine what to do. They are not our puppet despite what your Russian info sources tell you.

There's a real difference between a war on NATO's doorstep and if Putin had done something in Kazakhstan in isolated central Asia.

(08-27-2023 11:17 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-27-2023 10:09 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(08-27-2023 09:54 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I take it your all's position is that you are okay with Russia grabbing Ukraine by force?

A simple yes or no is all that is needed.

Well what do you mean by ok?

I don't agree with it, but I'm not willing to drop a trillion dollars and spill a lot of America blood over it. Nor am I willing to go to WW3 or risk a nuclear war over it. Nations have risen and fallen since man has existed and Ukraine is one of the most corrupt and fake "democracies" in the world.

There is NO American blood. Putin won't do a nuclear war. He wants to live. With no Americans, there is no WW3.

Last sentence is pure Russian propaganda. Genocide is ok if the country is corrupt?

What genocide. Specifically. That is happening in China and we dont give a shite

Get real

Funny how so many people here know exactly what Putin thinks and wants. You guys talk to him often?

(08-27-2023 11:04 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-26-2023 11:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-26-2023 11:30 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Why we be there? Money or troops?

What’s our nations interest in protecting this particular national border when we can’t and won’t protect our own?

How bout we send the next 100 Billion dollars to securing our house? We’re being invaded, anyone who can’t see that is simply blind.

Pro-Tip: this isn’t “immigration”. Stop lying

This is protecting our own. And we are doing with Ukrainian lives, instead of our troops tangling with Russians in NATO countries like Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia and maybe even Hungary and Poland.

Have none of y'all ever heard of Neville Chamberlin? Munich?

Chamberlin looks like a genius and patriot compared to bobblehead Joe! Joe not only takes money from our enemies but sees no danger in anything. It's not even, "Peace in our time!", but rather "10% is mine!" This is why people doubt foreign policy which was just once accepted because whether a Democrat or Republican we knew they had a good reason for being there. Now with all of the Globalist agenda intermingling with our legislation and impacting our foreign policy so they can trade and profit with our enemies, the public has lost trust. And that's a reason for which I must understand their reticence.

I'm with you on this 100% but the public has lost faith in the motives and mission of our country and have great reason for it. And this goes back past even Afghanistan and Bengasi to the Gulf War where expensive cruise missiles were used so that they could be guided away from American and Allied corporate offices. Now that doesn't sound too bad until people learned that enemy forces hid in those buildings because they knew wouldn't take them out and devalue property held by our Fortune 500 companies. The American death toll would have been a lot less if we had just bombed it all. Having ground troops go door to door and floor to floor in urban settings got a lot of our guys killed, and for what? A quarterly statement!

Yes, but at some point you use your own mind instead of blindly puppeting Russian propaganda points or blindly saying the opposite of what Creepy Joe says. Read BBC. Read Al Jazeera. Read ISW. Read reports on what Russian millibloggers are saying. I sure don't read ABC/NBC/CBS/CNN/MSNBC for information on this.

There are some decent arguments against our involvement. But almost all I hear on this or any other site is Russian lies.

No matter what you READ, you don't KNOW it's true. *shrug*

(08-27-2023 11:26 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-27-2023 11:04 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-26-2023 11:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-26-2023 11:30 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Why we be there? Money or troops?

What’s our nations interest in protecting this particular national border when we can’t and won’t protect our own?

How bout we send the next 100 Billion dollars to securing our house? We’re being invaded, anyone who can’t see that is simply blind.

Pro-Tip: this isn’t “immigration”. Stop lying

This is protecting our own. And we are doing with Ukrainian lives, instead of our troops tangling with Russians in NATO countries like Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia and maybe even Hungary and Poland.

Have none of y'all ever heard of Neville Chamberlin? Munich?

Chamberlin looks like a genius and patriot compared to bobblehead Joe! Joe not only takes money from our enemies but sees no danger in anything. It's not even, "Peace in our time!", but rather "10% is mine!" This is why people doubt foreign policy which was just once accepted because whether a Democrat or Republican we knew they had a good reason for being there. Now with all of the Globalist agenda intermingling with our legislation and impacting our foreign policy so they can trade and profit with our enemies, the public has lost trust. And that's a reason for which I must understand their reticence.

I'm with you on this 100% but the public has lost faith in the motives and mission of our country and have great reason for it. And this goes back past even Afghanistan and Bengasi to the Gulf War where expensive cruise missiles were used so that they could be guided away from American and Allied corporate offices. Now that doesn't sound too bad until people learned that enemy forces hid in those buildings because they knew wouldn't take them out and devalue property held by our Fortune 500 companies. The American death toll would have been a lot less if we had just bombed it all. Having ground troops go door to door and floor to floor in urban settings got a lot of our guys killed, and for what? A quarterly statement!

Yes, but at some point you use your own mind instead of blindly puppeting Russian propaganda points or blindly saying the opposite of what Creepy Joe says. Read BBC. Read Al Jazeera. Read ISW. Read reports on what Russian millibloggers are saying. I sure don't read ABC/NBC/CBS/CNN/MSNBC for information on this.

What genocide. Specifically. I dont need read anything to know we dont have 200 billion to send those aholes.

(08-27-2023 11:26 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-27-2023 11:04 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-26-2023 11:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-26-2023 11:30 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Why we be there? Money or troops?

What’s our nations interest in protecting this particular national border when we can’t and won’t protect our own?

How bout we send the next 100 Billion dollars to securing our house? We’re being invaded, anyone who can’t see that is simply blind.

Pro-Tip: this isn’t “immigration”. Stop lying

This is protecting our own. And we are doing with Ukrainian lives, instead of our troops tangling with Russians in NATO countries like Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia and maybe even Hungary and Poland.

Have none of y'all ever heard of Neville Chamberlin? Munich?

Chamberlin looks like a genius and patriot compared to bobblehead Joe! Joe not only takes money from our enemies but sees no danger in anything. It's not even, "Peace in our time!", but rather "10% is mine!" This is why people doubt foreign policy which was just once accepted because whether a Democrat or Republican we knew they had a good reason for being there. Now with all of the Globalist agenda intermingling with our legislation and impacting our foreign policy so they can trade and profit with our enemies, the public has lost trust. And that's a reason for which I must understand their reticence.

I'm with you on this 100% but the public has lost faith in the motives and mission of our country and have great reason for it. And this goes back past even Afghanistan and Bengasi to the Gulf War where expensive cruise missiles were used so that they could be guided away from American and Allied corporate offices. Now that doesn't sound too bad until people learned that enemy forces hid in those buildings because they knew wouldn't take them out and devalue property held by our Fortune 500 companies. The American death toll would have been a lot less if we had just bombed it all. Having ground troops go door to door and floor to floor in urban settings got a lot of our guys killed, and for what? A quarterly statement!

Yes, but at some point you use your own mind instead of blindly puppeting Russian propaganda points or blindly saying the opposite of what Creepy Joe says. Read BBC. Read Al Jazeera. Read ISW. Read reports on what Russian millibloggers are saying. I sure don't read ABC/NBC/CBS/CNN/MSNBC for information on this.

Bullet, besides our generation and older who the hell reads anything in this country anymore? If it isn't in a U-Tube video they don't know it, and don't care to know it, and that sir is why the lazy, and stupid are killing this nation from within. Socialism is a cancer, and apathy is a necrotic body!

And all of it has been carefully planned and executed by the NEA as the chief purveyor of laziness and apathy. Show me a lazy and apathetic teacher and I'll show you a lazy and apathetic class.

FFS


The tards have their hive mind orders. Its slavi tard Ukraine week.

Dammit