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Appears that Ukrainian forces are making a breakthrough in the Zaporizhia oblast - TIGERCITY - 08-26-2023 09:16 PM
A week or so ago there was a leak that a meeting
occurred between top NATO generals from United States and England and Ukrainian top commanders. Apparently it lasted about 5 hours and concerned a change of strategy. Not long after that there was a change in Ukrainian strategy. The below may describe results of that change. It seems now the Russians are scrambling to contain a breach in their line with ukrainians apparently advancing to cut off Russian access to Crimea. Interesting, we'll see how it plays out. Linked is a no-nonsense report of the current state of the war..
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-august-26-2023
RE: Appears that Ukrainian forces are making a breakthrough in the Zaporizhia oblast - Eagleaidaholic - 08-26-2023 09:50 PM
If the US would have done what they agreed to do in the Bidapest Memorandum there would be no war right now, but Biden owes people and they can't make m9ney if it ended quick.
RE: Appears that Ukrainian forces are making a breakthrough in the Zaporizhia oblast - ericsrevenge76 - 08-26-2023 09:53 PM
Ukraine has zero chance to win this war and the end result will be America troops on the ground dying to fight for one of the most corrupt "democracies" on the globe.
RE: Appears that Ukrainian forces are making a breakthrough in the Zaporizhia oblast - Gamenole - 08-26-2023 10:06 PM
Great news, hopefully Ukraine's counteroffensive can sever Russia's land connection to Crimea before winter.
RE: Appears that Ukrainian forces are making a breakthrough in the Zaporizhia oblast - tanqtonic - 08-26-2023 10:46 PM
To sever Crimea, all that needs to be taken is enough to get the rail links across southern Ukraine within artillery range. Even within HIMARS.
RE: Appears that Ukrainian forces are making a breakthrough in the Zaporizhia oblast - shere khan - 08-26-2023 11:16 PM
Idiots
So they dont need anymore of our money? Right?
RE: Appears that Ukrainian forces are making a breakthrough in the Zaporizhia oblast - bullet - 08-26-2023 11:24 PM
(08-26-2023 09:53 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote: Ukraine has zero chance to win this war and the end result will be America troops on the ground dying to fight for one of the most corrupt "democracies" on the globe.
You must listen to that idiot Col. MacGregor.
RE: Appears that Ukrainian forces are making a breakthrough in the Zaporizhia oblast - ericsrevenge76 - 08-26-2023 11:27 PM
(08-26-2023 11:24 PM)bullet Wrote:(08-26-2023 09:53 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote: Ukraine has zero chance to win this war and the end result will be America troops on the ground dying to fight for one of the most corrupt "democracies" on the globe.
You must listen to that idiot Col. MacGregor.
You must listen to that idiot Biden, the deep state MIC and the MSM.
Appears that Ukrainian forces are making a breakthrough in the Zaporizhia oblast - JMUDunk - 08-26-2023 11:30 PM
Why we be there? Money or troops?
What’s our nations interest in protecting this particular national border when we can’t and won’t protect our own?
How bout we send the next 100 Billion dollars to securing our house? We’re being invaded, anyone who can’t see that is simply blind.
Pro-Tip: this isn’t “immigration”. Stop lying
RE: Appears that Ukrainian forces are making a breakthrough in the Zaporizhia oblast - bullet - 08-26-2023 11:40 PM
(08-26-2023 11:27 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:(08-26-2023 11:24 PM)bullet Wrote:(08-26-2023 09:53 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote: Ukraine has zero chance to win this war and the end result will be America troops on the ground dying to fight for one of the most corrupt "democracies" on the globe.
You must listen to that idiot Col. MacGregor.
You must listen to that idiot Biden, the deep state MIC and the MSM.
No, I'm not like the Democrats and far right Republicans who manage to believe all kinds of ridiculous propaganda. I didn't realize the far right was as blind as the Russian conspiracy, fine KKKers, bad dead soldiers, wing of the Democrats. I've been very disappointed how easily they swallow ridiculous Russian propaganda.
And then y'all say things as NPC as the dumbest Democrat with the bolded above.
RE: Appears that Ukrainian forces are making a breakthrough in the Zaporizhia oblast - bullet - 08-26-2023 11:42 PM
(08-26-2023 11:30 PM)JMUDunk Wrote: Why we be there? Money or troops?
What’s our nations interest in protecting this particular national border when we can’t and won’t protect our own?
How bout we send the next 100 Billion dollars to securing our house? We’re being invaded, anyone who can’t see that is simply blind.
Pro-Tip: this isn’t “immigration”. Stop lying
This is protecting our own. And we are doing with Ukrainian lives, instead of our troops tangling with Russians in NATO countries like Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia and maybe even Hungary and Poland.
Have none of y'all ever heard of Neville Chamberlin? Munich?
RE: Appears that Ukrainian forces are making a breakthrough in the Zaporizhia oblast - bullet - 08-26-2023 11:43 PM
(08-26-2023 09:16 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote: A week or so ago there was a leak that a meeting
occurred between top NATO generals from United States and England and Ukrainian top commanders. Apparently it lasted about 5 hours and concerned a change of strategy. Not long after that there was a change in Ukrainian strategy. The below may describe results of that change. It seems now the Russians are scrambling to contain a breach in their line with ukrainians apparently advancing to cut off Russian access to Crimea. Interesting, we'll see how it plays out. Linked is a no-nonsense report of the current state of the war..
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-august-26-2023
I still wouldn't read too much into this yet. Its been a slog and the Russians know where they are trying to go, unlike in Kharkiv this time last year.
RE: Appears that Ukrainian forces are making a breakthrough in the Zaporizhia oblast - BlueDragon - 08-26-2023 11:55 PM
(08-26-2023 09:53 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote: Ukraine has zero chance to win this war and the end result will be America troops on the ground dying to fight for one of the most corrupt "democracies" on the globe.
Hopefully NOT. But, this is our war by proxy. As much as I don’t agree with it I still hope Ukraine does enough damage to Russian military capabilities that it will take them decades to recover. That would be the real win.
It’s not like they are batting the German Blitzkrieg.
RE: Appears that Ukrainian forces are making a breakthrough in the Zaporizhia oblast - Attackcoog - 08-27-2023 12:19 AM
(08-26-2023 11:43 PM)bullet Wrote:(08-26-2023 09:16 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote: A week or so ago there was a leak that a meeting
occurred between top NATO generals from United States and England and Ukrainian top commanders. Apparently it lasted about 5 hours and concerned a change of strategy. Not long after that there was a change in Ukrainian strategy. The below may describe results of that change. It seems now the Russians are scrambling to contain a breach in their line with ukrainians apparently advancing to cut off Russian access to Crimea. Interesting, we'll see how it plays out. Linked is a no-nonsense report of the current state of the war..
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-august-26-2023
I still wouldn't read too much into this yet. Its been a slog and the Russians know where they are trying to go, unlike in Kharkiv this time last year.
Yup. There are some hopeful signs though. They apparently have broken through one the major lines of defense and are now coming up on the "the main defense line". This is the line that is a tank trench, backed by dragons teeth, backed by a infantry trench. While formidable, there are reasons to belive it may not be as bad as originally thought. The main infantry trench is apparently just a single trench in many areas---behind which is simply open fields. There is no real cover for the trench and there are no secondary trenches immediately behind it or connecting feeder trenches in many areas. In other words, the only way to get supplies and reinforcements to these portions of the trench is walking across open fields in full view of artillery. Its going to be tough to get reinforcement and supplies to that kind of combat trench---so while its a pretty defensible spot, its also a position that may not remain viable all that long.
As there is no tree cover for much of the trench line, drones dropping explosives will be difficult to contend with. Also, as this was a rear area just a week ago, the Russians needed to be able to supply and easily reach positions forward of this line, thus the Ukrainians expect there to be fewer mined areas here than the more forward lines of defense where the mines proved troublesom. Of course, there are areas where the Russian positions are better set up with secondary trenches and some cover---but I suspect the Ukrainians will avoid those areas and strike where they have the best chance of success.
The next few weeks could be interesting.
RE: Appears that Ukrainian forces are making a breakthrough in the Zaporizhia oblast - Attackcoog - 08-27-2023 12:38 AM
(08-26-2023 11:55 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:(08-26-2023 09:53 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote: Ukraine has zero chance to win this war and the end result will be America troops on the ground dying to fight for one of the most corrupt "democracies" on the globe.
Hopefully NOT. But, this is our war by proxy. As much as I don’t agree with it I still hope Ukraine does enough damage to Russian military capabilities that it will take them decades to recover. That would be the real win.
It’s not like they are batting the German Blitzkrieg.
They already have. As for winning---it depends on how you define it. The Ukrainians have no illusions that this ends with them marching down the streets of Moscow. This is the second invasion of Ukraine by the Russians in a decade. Victory for Ukraine is just surviving and hopefully ending up with the prize of long term security when this is over (and obviously, they also want to hold on to as much of their territory as possible). Thats basically what "victory" looks like for the Ukrainians.
RE: Appears that Ukrainian forces are making a breakthrough in the Zaporizhia oblast - ericsrevenge76 - 08-27-2023 01:38 AM
(08-26-2023 11:40 PM)bullet Wrote:(08-26-2023 11:27 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:(08-26-2023 11:24 PM)bullet Wrote:(08-26-2023 09:53 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote: Ukraine has zero chance to win this war and the end result will be America troops on the ground dying to fight for one of the most corrupt "democracies" on the globe.
You must listen to that idiot Col. MacGregor.
You must listen to that idiot Biden, the deep state MIC and the MSM.
No, I'm not like the Democrats and far right Republicans who manage to believe all kinds of ridiculous propaganda. I didn't realize the far right was as blind as the Russian conspiracy, fine KKKers, bad dead soldiers, wing of the Democrats. I've been very disappointed how easily they swallow ridiculous Russian propaganda.
And then y'all say things as NPC as the dumbest Democrat with the bolded above.
All you are doing is showing you hypocrisy here, because all I did was respond to you the same way you respond to me.
Putin is not going to back down, he can't now. IMO they cannot win unless we send in our troops and then we have world war on our hands. For what? One of the most corrupt and fake democracies on the planet? No thanks.
Its not our war, it not our land, its not our people, its not our responsibility. And its sure as hell is not word a world war. That is total insanity.
RE: Appears that Ukrainian forces are making a breakthrough in the Zaporizhia oblast - Todor - 08-27-2023 01:54 AM
They are suddenly making good progress, eh?
Well, we can’t stop funding them now of all times, right?
I’m just waiting to see how the Evelyn Wood School of F16 Flying works out. Like the terrorists at the flight school in Florida before 9/11, we only have to teach them how to take off- ‘cuz they won’t be landing lol. Think how much training time that will save!
For those that don’t remember poor Evelyn—
https://nypost.com/2019/09/21/how-a-mormon-housewife-sold-america-the-big-speed-reading-scam/
We deserve to be broke.
RE: Appears that Ukrainian forces are making a breakthrough in the Zaporizhia oblast - memtigbb - 08-27-2023 05:26 AM
(08-26-2023 11:55 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:(08-26-2023 09:53 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote: Ukraine has zero chance to win this war and the end result will be America troops on the ground dying to fight for one of the most corrupt "democracies" on the globe.
Hopefully NOT. But, this is our war by proxy. As much as I don’t agree with it I still hope Ukraine does enough damage to Russian military capabilities that it will take them decades to recover. That would be the real win.
It’s not like they are batting the German Blitzkrieg.
It already has hit them that hard...
I dont want to add us to the list of "take a decade to recover"
I have no interest at all in continuing to send American money. We have hurt Russia. Russia has been completely exposed. It is well past time for us to turn our sights back to our own country and let Ukraine sink or swim on their own.
RE: Appears that Ukrainian forces are making a breakthrough in the Zaporizhia oblast - TigerBlue4Ever - 08-27-2023 05:59 AM
(08-26-2023 09:53 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote: Ukraine has zero chance to win this war and the end result will be America troops on the ground dying to fight for one of the most corrupt "democracies" on the globe.
Meanwhile there are those of us here who think that virtue signaling support for those poor Ukrainian's is a great thing.
The stupid fuqrs in this admin are trying to start WWIII.
RE: Appears that Ukrainian forces are making a breakthrough in the Zaporizhia oblast - TigerBlue4Ever - 08-27-2023 06:02 AM
(08-26-2023 11:40 PM)bullet Wrote:(08-26-2023 11:27 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:(08-26-2023 11:24 PM)bullet Wrote:(08-26-2023 09:53 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote: Ukraine has zero chance to win this war and the end result will be America troops on the ground dying to fight for one of the most corrupt "democracies" on the globe.
You must listen to that idiot Col. MacGregor.
You must listen to that idiot Biden, the deep state MIC and the MSM.
No, I'm not like the Democrats and far right Republicans who manage to believe all kinds of ridiculous propaganda. I didn't realize the far right was as blind as the Russian conspiracy, fine KKKers, bad dead soldiers, wing of the Democrats. I've been very disappointed how easily they swallow ridiculous Russian propaganda.
And then y'all say things as NPC as the dumbest Democrat with the bolded above.
If you don't think that main thrust of this conflict - from our perspective anyway - is to keep the MIC engaged and churning out big laundered bucks then you may not be as sharp as I have always considered you. C'mon man.