(04-21-2022 09:26 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(04-21-2022 09:22 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(04-21-2022 08:04 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 06:09 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 08:54 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  Mark Emmert's disorganization is no reason to deny thousands of men and women the basic civil right to make money for the name, image, and likeness.

If I'm being truly honest - I dont think there is a better way to learn business than turning yourself into one - and i say that from my experience as a comedian. It really is a crash course in entrepreneurship - one that I think will have fantastic outcomes for the participants.

Ok Dan

If I start a comedian thread could you give us some one liners? Do you still perform?

Yeah i mostly work around south eastern michigan and some ohio and windsor

I love comedy sets in general. But a comedy set by an EMU fan would make me even more interested. Could you post some upcoming shows in case anyone can go check it out… be forewarned, I plan to heckle you about your views on NIL (kidding, of course. I am not Will Smith)

https://www.facebook.com/dansplainingcomedy

https://youtu.be/cJMxevPEEYI

The NCAA is so messed up. Both of these are issues and they are not mutually exclusive:
1. Caches salaries are exorbitant
2. College Athletics are no longer “Amature” Athletics

I agree there are legitimate arguments that college athletes were not being treated fairly with the historical restrictions. But outright paying players is too much for me. That and the outrageous trends in coaches salaries makes me realize we place too much emphasis or value on athletics as a society. And of course, I am a big part of that problem. So I will probably walk back some (if not all) of my support of athletics- particularly college.

I am sure most don’t share my stance on this, but I am also sure I am not alone either. The NCAA needs to figure this out.

(04-23-2022 06:09 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  The NCAA is so messed up. Both of these are issues and they are not mutually exclusive:
1. Caches salaries are exorbitant
2. College Athletics are no longer “Amature” Athletics

I agree there are legitimate arguments that college athletes were not being treated fairly with the historical restrictions. But outright paying players is too much for me. That and the outrageous trends in coaches salaries makes me realize we place too much emphasis or value on athletics as a society. And of course, I am a big part of that problem. So I will probably walk back some (if not all) of my support of athletics- particularly college.

I am sure most don’t share my stance on this, but I am also sure I am not alone either. The NCAA needs to figure this out.

Honestly, this is why I pay attention to EMU sports. At EMU athletics are not exorbitantly funded and athletes are not getting free passes by faculty and staff. In the end, to me, the MAC is about the right size.

(04-23-2022 07:10 PM)masttg Wrote:  

(04-23-2022 06:09 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  The NCAA is so messed up. Both of these are issues and they are not mutually exclusive:
1. Caches salaries are exorbitant
2. College Athletics are no longer “Amature” Athletics

I agree there are legitimate arguments that college athletes were not being treated fairly with the historical restrictions. But outright paying players is too much for me. That and the outrageous trends in coaches salaries makes me realize we place too much emphasis or value on athletics as a society. And of course, I am a big part of that problem. So I will probably walk back some (if not all) of my support of athletics- particularly college.

I am sure most don’t share my stance on this, but I am also sure I am not alone either. The NCAA needs to figure this out.

Honestly, this is why I pay attention to EMU sports. At EMU athletics are not exorbitantly funded and athletes are not getting free passes by faculty and staff. In the end, to me, the MAC is about the right size.

Good points all.

There isn't much different between say Cleveland and OSU, except the Buckeyes have a much greater record of success than the Browns (or Cavs).

I consider the OSU Buckeyes as "NFL lite" or NFL-Campus

Using FB as an example. One plays on Saturday, the other (usually) on Sunday.

Both draw very, very large crowds, one greater than 100K. TV and press coverage is similar. Tickets are expensive for both.

If I had come from a foreign country not familiar with American football, I'd think they are both pro football teams.

If I watched TOL and BG or say WMU and CMU I'd guess that it was college sports.

Competition wise, P5 CFB probably serves the same function as Triple AAA MiLB. Some will become big league stars but most will not. They are playing it for the love of the game.

(04-23-2022 07:10 PM)masttg Wrote:  

(04-23-2022 06:09 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  The NCAA is so messed up. Both of these are issues and they are not mutually exclusive:
1. Caches salaries are exorbitant
2. College Athletics are no longer “Amature” Athletics

I agree there are legitimate arguments that college athletes were not being treated fairly with the historical restrictions. But outright paying players is too much for me. That and the outrageous trends in coaches salaries makes me realize we place too much emphasis or value on athletics as a society. And of course, I am a big part of that problem. So I will probably walk back some (if not all) of my support of athletics- particularly college.

I am sure most don’t share my stance on this, but I am also sure I am not alone either. The NCAA needs to figure this out.

Honestly, this is why I pay attention to EMU sports. At EMU athletics are not exorbitantly funded and athletes are not getting free passes by faculty and staff. In the end, to me, the MAC is about the right size.

Two respectable posts. I find it difficult to disagree with anything.

Ramy you are right, the NCAA should do something. They are, however, feckless. They approved immediate transfers, NIL payments and turned over much over of the policy decisions to the conference commissioners without a vision or any semblance of a plan. To me, their sole purpose is to negotiate TV rights for the CFP and NCAA BB tournaments. Yet they pay their Prez $3M and employ more than 500 people.

$400 , 000 per season plus a car. I wonder what deal Emoni will get?

https://www.wibw.com/2022/04/24/pack-giv...-miami-fl/

We all knew that NIL would be used to recruit players to universities. This is a violation of NCAA intent if using NIL to lure athletes to a college. However it’s now running rampant. The NCAA would not have enough attorneys to review NIL violations and even if they did who are you reprimanding? Basically the NCAA just made it legal to allow schools to recruit with money.

https://news.google.com/articles/CBMirQF...id=US%3Aen

Coaches make what they are worth on the free market - players should have the same right. Dabo and Saban complaining about this only makes me sure I'm right that much more.

(04-25-2022 05:34 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  We all knew that NIL would be used to recruit players to universities. This is a violation of NCAA intent if using NIL to lure athletes to a college. However it’s now running rampant. The NCAA would not have enough attorneys to review NIL violations and even if they did who are you reprimanding? Basically the NCAA just made it legal to allow schools to recruit with money.

https://news.google.com/articles/CBMirQF...id=US%3Aen

Yup. The NCAA has officially jumped the shark. It is now a joke. I'll watch but I will never be invested the same way. Like everything else in life, greed and loose ethics have won out. Why get excited about a MAC team when the best players will simply be swarmed upon. Real fans of amateur athletics and fairness feel the same way.

(04-25-2022 06:42 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  Coaches make what they are worth on the free market - players should have the same right. Dabo and Saban complaining about this only makes me sure I'm right that much more.

Dabo and Saban are professionals.

College athletes are treated by everyone as students and amateur athletes.

Big fricking difference. Does any athlete want to pay 8% FICA taxes on the value of their athletic scholarship???

"Be careful what you wish for..." a wise saying.

(04-25-2022 07:09 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 06:42 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  Coaches make what they are worth on the free market - players should have the same right. Dabo and Saban complaining about this only makes me sure I'm right that much more.

Dabo and Saban are professionals.

College athletes are treated by everyone as students and amateur athletes.

Big fricking difference. Does any athlete want to pay 8% FICA taxes on the value of their athletic scholarship???

"Be careful what you wish for..." a wise saying.

should athletes be allowed to bargain for more compensation in exchange for paying taxes? yes. yes they should.

(04-25-2022 07:45 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 07:09 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 06:42 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  Coaches make what they are worth on the free market - players should have the same right. Dabo and Saban complaining about this only makes me sure I'm right that much more.

Dabo and Saban are professionals.

College athletes are treated by everyone as students and amateur athletes.

Big fricking difference. Does any athlete want to pay 8% FICA taxes on the value of their athletic scholarship???

"Be careful what you wish for..." a wise saying.

should athletes be allowed to bargain for more compensation in exchange for paying taxes? yes. yes they should.

One thing we sometimes forget.

Dabo and Saban are among the best (choose a number) football coaches in America. I think of them (and other HCs) as the best in their profession. Aren't there many thousands of NFL, college, high school, junior high school FB coaches?

The top 0.1% of any profession is very, very generously paid. Be it a CEO, NFL QB, NBA player, entertainer, lawyer, etc. or a technical whiz who can invent something and become a rich entrepreneur.

In case you have forgotten, we have the NFL for the best QBs, RBs, WRs, etc.

College FB is like minor league baseball. You can go to a website and find the top 100 MiLB prospects. One can go to Kiper or McShay and find the top 100 college players who are NFL PROSPECTS.

No way is the starting RG for BG a pro or pro prospect or whatever. We treat college players somehow kind of like pros. They are young kids being students and also being athletes AT THE COLLEGE LEVEL.

When we talk about the top college prospects for this week's NFL draft we are talking about OUTLIERS. There are what 32 1st rounders. How many seniors (or juniors) in Division I ball? Couple thousands?

What does Hutchinson have to do with CFB in general? He is a total outlier. Why do we talk about outliers? All they do is muddy the discussion. We can talk about those who win the lottery but I would say, "lucky you, spend the money wisely but playing the lottery is a loser for the other 99.999%."

(04-25-2022 08:07 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 07:45 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 07:09 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 06:42 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  Coaches make what they are worth on the free market - players should have the same right. Dabo and Saban complaining about this only makes me sure I'm right that much more.

Dabo and Saban are professionals.

College athletes are treated by everyone as students and amateur athletes.

Big fricking difference. Does any athlete want to pay 8% FICA taxes on the value of their athletic scholarship???

"Be careful what you wish for..." a wise saying.

should athletes be allowed to bargain for more compensation in exchange for paying taxes? yes. yes they should.

One thing we sometimes forget.

Dabo and Saban are among the best (choose a number) football coaches in America. I think of them (and other HCs) as the best in their profession. Aren't there many thousands of NFL, college, high school, junior high school FB coaches?

The top 0.1% of any profession is very, very generously paid. Be it a CEO, NFL QB, NBA player, entertainer, lawyer, etc. or a technical whiz who can invent something and become a rich entrepreneur.

In case you have forgotten, we have the NFL for the best QBs, RBs, WRs, etc.

College FB is like minor league baseball. You can go to a website and find the top 100 MiLB prospects. One can go to Kiper or McShay and find the top 100 college players who are NFL PROSPECTS.

No way is the starting RG for BG a pro or pro prospect or whatever. We treat college players somehow kind of like pros. They are young kids being students and also being athletes AT THE COLLEGE LEVEL.

When we talk about the top college prospects for this week's NFL draft we are talking about OUTLIERS. There are what 32 1st rounders. How many seniors (or juniors) in Division I ball? Couple thousands?

What does Hutchinson have to do with CFB in general? He is a total outlier. Why do we talk about outliers? All they do is muddy the discussion. We can talk about those who win the lottery but I would say, "lucky you, spend the money wisely but playing the lottery is a loser for the other 99.999%."

When was the last time you saw Class-A baseball on ESPN in primetime? What was the last minor league baseball game that had 100,000 in attendance? College football generates significantly more money than minor league baseball. and oh by the way - there are rich minor league baseball players - bonus babies - that sign big bonuses out of college. Casey Mize for example signed a $7.5 million dollar signing bonus.

Also - what AAA manager makes 8 million dollars a year?

Don't come at me with these lame arguments.

(04-25-2022 08:50 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 08:07 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 07:45 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 07:09 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 06:42 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  Coaches make what they are worth on the free market - players should have the same right. Dabo and Saban complaining about this only makes me sure I'm right that much more.

Dabo and Saban are professionals.

College athletes are treated by everyone as students and amateur athletes.

Big fricking difference. Does any athlete want to pay 8% FICA taxes on the value of their athletic scholarship???

"Be careful what you wish for..." a wise saying.

should athletes be allowed to bargain for more compensation in exchange for paying taxes? yes. yes they should.

One thing we sometimes forget.

Dabo and Saban are among the best (choose a number) football coaches in America. I think of them (and other HCs) as the best in their profession. Aren't there many thousands of NFL, college, high school, junior high school FB coaches?

The top 0.1% of any profession is very, very generously paid. Be it a CEO, NFL QB, NBA player, entertainer, lawyer, etc. or a technical whiz who can invent something and become a rich entrepreneur.

In case you have forgotten, we have the NFL for the best QBs, RBs, WRs, etc.

College FB is like minor league baseball. You can go to a website and find the top 100 MiLB prospects. One can go to Kiper or McShay and find the top 100 college players who are NFL PROSPECTS.

No way is the starting RG for BG a pro or pro prospect or whatever. We treat college players somehow kind of like pros. They are young kids being students and also being athletes AT THE COLLEGE LEVEL.

When we talk about the top college prospects for this week's NFL draft we are talking about OUTLIERS. There are what 32 1st rounders. How many seniors (or juniors) in Division I ball? Couple thousands?

What does Hutchinson have to do with CFB in general? He is a total outlier. Why do we talk about outliers? All they do is muddy the discussion. We can talk about those who win the lottery but I would say, "lucky you, spend the money wisely but playing the lottery is a loser for the other 99.999%."

When was the last time you saw Class-A baseball on ESPN in primetime? What was the last minor league baseball game that had 100,000 in attendance? College football generates significantly more money than minor league baseball. and oh by the way - there are rich minor league baseball players - bonus babies - that sign big bonuses out of college. Casey Mize for example signed a $7.5 million dollar signing bonus.

Don't come at me with these lame arguments.

In baseball, first round high school players can go to college OR be drafted and end up say low A ball Lakeland. Example: Jobe who is pitching at Lakeland for the Tigers.

Even the best SEC baseball players are not MLB-caliber. Mize, Torkelson, etc. had to go the MINORS to hone their skills and spend years getting ready.

Just because 100K watch a level of FB no where near NFL doesn't change the fact that OSU is not a NFL-caliber team. It is not professional caliber the way we define professional caliber.

The difference between Cincy Bearcats and Cincy Bengals is like astronomical.

(04-25-2022 09:11 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 08:50 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 08:07 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 07:45 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 07:09 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Dabo and Saban are professionals.

College athletes are treated by everyone as students and amateur athletes.

Big fricking difference. Does any athlete want to pay 8% FICA taxes on the value of their athletic scholarship???

"Be careful what you wish for..." a wise saying.

should athletes be allowed to bargain for more compensation in exchange for paying taxes? yes. yes they should.

One thing we sometimes forget.

Dabo and Saban are among the best (choose a number) football coaches in America. I think of them (and other HCs) as the best in their profession. Aren't there many thousands of NFL, college, high school, junior high school FB coaches?

The top 0.1% of any profession is very, very generously paid. Be it a CEO, NFL QB, NBA player, entertainer, lawyer, etc. or a technical whiz who can invent something and become a rich entrepreneur.

In case you have forgotten, we have the NFL for the best QBs, RBs, WRs, etc.

College FB is like minor league baseball. You can go to a website and find the top 100 MiLB prospects. One can go to Kiper or McShay and find the top 100 college players who are NFL PROSPECTS.

No way is the starting RG for BG a pro or pro prospect or whatever. We treat college players somehow kind of like pros. They are young kids being students and also being athletes AT THE COLLEGE LEVEL.

When we talk about the top college prospects for this week's NFL draft we are talking about OUTLIERS. There are what 32 1st rounders. How many seniors (or juniors) in Division I ball? Couple thousands?

What does Hutchinson have to do with CFB in general? He is a total outlier. Why do we talk about outliers? All they do is muddy the discussion. We can talk about those who win the lottery but I would say, "lucky you, spend the money wisely but playing the lottery is a loser for the other 99.999%."

When was the last time you saw Class-A baseball on ESPN in primetime? What was the last minor league baseball game that had 100,000 in attendance? College football generates significantly more money than minor league baseball. and oh by the way - there are rich minor league baseball players - bonus babies - that sign big bonuses out of college. Casey Mize for example signed a $7.5 million dollar signing bonus.

Don't come at me with these lame arguments.

In baseball, first round high school players can go to college OR be drafted and end up say low A ball Lakeland. Example: Jobe who is pitching at Lakeland for the Tigers.

Even the best SEC baseball players are not MLB-caliber. Mize, Torkelson, etc. had to go the MINORS to hone their skills and spend years getting ready.

Just because 100K watch a level of FB no where near NFL doesn't change the fact that OSU is not a NFL-caliber team. It is not professional caliber the way we define professional caliber.

The difference between Cincy Bearcats and Cincy Bengals is like astronomical.

I don't even know what's being argued in here anymore.

(04-25-2022 09:11 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 08:50 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 08:07 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 07:45 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 07:09 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Dabo and Saban are professionals.

College athletes are treated by everyone as students and amateur athletes.

Big fricking difference. Does any athlete want to pay 8% FICA taxes on the value of their athletic scholarship???

"Be careful what you wish for..." a wise saying.

should athletes be allowed to bargain for more compensation in exchange for paying taxes? yes. yes they should.

One thing we sometimes forget.

Dabo and Saban are among the best (choose a number) football coaches in America. I think of them (and other HCs) as the best in their profession. Aren't there many thousands of NFL, college, high school, junior high school FB coaches?

The top 0.1% of any profession is very, very generously paid. Be it a CEO, NFL QB, NBA player, entertainer, lawyer, etc. or a technical whiz who can invent something and become a rich entrepreneur.

In case you have forgotten, we have the NFL for the best QBs, RBs, WRs, etc.

College FB is like minor league baseball. You can go to a website and find the top 100 MiLB prospects. One can go to Kiper or McShay and find the top 100 college players who are NFL PROSPECTS.

No way is the starting RG for BG a pro or pro prospect or whatever. We treat college players somehow kind of like pros. They are young kids being students and also being athletes AT THE COLLEGE LEVEL.

When we talk about the top college prospects for this week's NFL draft we are talking about OUTLIERS. There are what 32 1st rounders. How many seniors (or juniors) in Division I ball? Couple thousands?

What does Hutchinson have to do with CFB in general? He is a total outlier. Why do we talk about outliers? All they do is muddy the discussion. We can talk about those who win the lottery but I would say, "lucky you, spend the money wisely but playing the lottery is a loser for the other 99.999%."

When was the last time you saw Class-A baseball on ESPN in primetime? What was the last minor league baseball game that had 100,000 in attendance? College football generates significantly more money than minor league baseball. and oh by the way - there are rich minor league baseball players - bonus babies - that sign big bonuses out of college. Casey Mize for example signed a $7.5 million dollar signing bonus.

Don't come at me with these lame arguments.

In baseball, first round high school players can go to college OR be drafted and end up say low A ball Lakeland. Example: Jobe who is pitching at Lakeland for the Tigers.

Even the best SEC baseball players are not MLB-caliber. Mize, Torkelson, etc. had to go the MINORS to hone their skills and spend years getting ready.

Just because 100K watch a level of FB no where near NFL doesn't change the fact that OSU is not a NFL-caliber team. It is not professional caliber the way we define professional caliber.

The difference between Cincy Bearcats and Cincy Bengals is like astronomical.

How do we define professional caliber? 100 fans spending a lot of money 6 weeks a year may disagree that they arent getting value. players generate that value and should have the opportunity to better negotiate their share of that value.

This decision from earlier today shows the power of NIL.
No. 1 Recruit Chooses OTE

The top recruit of 2024 signed with Overtime Elite (professional league) BUT is foregoing any salary. This is part of OTE's new "Scholarship" model that allows a kid to come in, play in their league, and yet still maintain college eligibility.

He's still going to be able to make money off his Name, Image and Likeness.

(04-25-2022 09:40 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 09:11 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 08:50 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 08:07 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 07:45 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  should athletes be allowed to bargain for more compensation in exchange for paying taxes? yes. yes they should.

One thing we sometimes forget.

Dabo and Saban are among the best (choose a number) football coaches in America. I think of them (and other HCs) as the best in their profession. Aren't there many thousands of NFL, college, high school, junior high school FB coaches?

The top 0.1% of any profession is very, very generously paid. Be it a CEO, NFL QB, NBA player, entertainer, lawyer, etc. or a technical whiz who can invent something and become a rich entrepreneur.

In case you have forgotten, we have the NFL for the best QBs, RBs, WRs, etc.

College FB is like minor league baseball. You can go to a website and find the top 100 MiLB prospects. One can go to Kiper or McShay and find the top 100 college players who are NFL PROSPECTS.

No way is the starting RG for BG a pro or pro prospect or whatever. We treat college players somehow kind of like pros. They are young kids being students and also being athletes AT THE COLLEGE LEVEL.

When we talk about the top college prospects for this week's NFL draft we are talking about OUTLIERS. There are what 32 1st rounders. How many seniors (or juniors) in Division I ball? Couple thousands?

What does Hutchinson have to do with CFB in general? He is a total outlier. Why do we talk about outliers? All they do is muddy the discussion. We can talk about those who win the lottery but I would say, "lucky you, spend the money wisely but playing the lottery is a loser for the other 99.999%."

When was the last time you saw Class-A baseball on ESPN in primetime? What was the last minor league baseball game that had 100,000 in attendance? College football generates significantly more money than minor league baseball. and oh by the way - there are rich minor league baseball players - bonus babies - that sign big bonuses out of college. Casey Mize for example signed a $7.5 million dollar signing bonus.

Don't come at me with these lame arguments.

In baseball, first round high school players can go to college OR be drafted and end up say low A ball Lakeland. Example: Jobe who is pitching at Lakeland for the Tigers.

Even the best SEC baseball players are not MLB-caliber. Mize, Torkelson, etc. had to go the MINORS to hone their skills and spend years getting ready.

Just because 100K watch a level of FB no where near NFL doesn't change the fact that OSU is not a NFL-caliber team. It is not professional caliber the way we define professional caliber.

The difference between Cincy Bearcats and Cincy Bengals is like astronomical.

How do we define professional caliber? 100 fans spending a lot of money 6 weeks a year may disagree that they arent getting value. players generate that value and should have the opportunity to better negotiate their share of that value.

Once again I think you completely miss what college sports are about:

College sports, e.g., CFB, are athletics composed of student athletes at a college. In return for their skills as athletes the university gives them an athletic scholarship which may be worth say 40K per year (some school more, some less).

As it they are considered student athletes and not pro athletes each IS TREATED THE SAME. At UofM Hutchinson and the clip board holding QB get the same 'compensation' from UofM. They are scholarship athletes at a university not Detroit Lions where one can make 10M and another a tiny fraction of it.

At EMU lets assume 85 CFB scholarship players and a scholarship is worth say $40K per season

My calculator says EMU divides about 3.5M among 85 persons. EMU does not raise 3.5M annually in FB revenues.

IF EMU FB was a for profit company, it would go bankrupt. Instead it is considered part of the MISSION of the university which is to educate students according to their talents and interests. Not at all like the NFL, USFL, CFL, etc.

I still maintain that scholarships don't radically change until graduate level, especially Ph.D. level students who may teach say at the undergrad level. They are in the gray area of student but also functioning as junior faculty, almost like an adjunct faculty member. I believe Ph.D. students who teach courses are treated as 'employees' and not like student athletes who are STUDENTS who play a sport. They don't teach.

DP wants college athletes to be like pro athletes minus all of the drawbacks.

There are no drafts in college sports. College athletes don't get traded or waived or sent to a JUCO for skill development. College athletes aren't on say 3, 4 or 5 year contracts.

Some want these student athletes to be like pro athletes except pick their own college, transfer at will, etc. which sounds like a COLLEGE STUDENT, not a pro athlete.

Conflating, conflating, conflating...

That said, I'm in favor of COA, maybe increased. Reasonable transfer rights. Greater health care and disability protections. And so. I am very aware of the sacrifices student athletes make.

I have never thought of signing with a university to play CFB like enlisting in the military. God help the U.S. if we have 'transfer rights' in the military. Army today. Maybe Air Force in 2023. Maybe Marine Corps in 2024. and Navy in 2025.

OTOH, college sports aren't like working at McDonalds where a new employee might be trained for a few hours and sent out to face the world...

College athletics is pretty much unique. Doesn't seem to fit any other paradigm I'm aware.

(04-25-2022 10:26 AM)emu steve Wrote:  DP wants college athletes to be like pro athletes minus all of the drawbacks.

There are no drafts in college sports. College athletes don't get traded or waived or sent to a JUCO for skill development. College athletes aren't on say 3, 4 or 5 year contracts.

Some want these student athletes to be like pro athletes except pick their own college, transfer at will, etc. which sounds like a COLLEGE STUDENT, not a pro athlete.

Conflating, conflating, conflating...

That said, I'm in favor of COA, maybe increased. Reasonable transfer rights. Greater health care and disability protections. And so. I am very aware of the sacrifices student athletes make.

I have never thought of signing with a university to play CFB like enlisting in the military. God help the U.S. if we have 'transfer rights' in the military. Army today. Maybe Air Force in 2023. Maybe Marine Corps in 2024. and Navy in 2025.

OTOH, college sports aren't like working at McDonalds where a new employee might be trained for a few hours and sent out to face the world...

College athletics is pretty much unique. Doesn't seem to fit any other paradigm I'm aware.

im fine with all the draw backs. players - if compensated - should pay taxes. coaches are contracted - players should be too.

european soccer teams done have drafts - thats an american invention. we're letting a lack of creativity cloud our judgement.