(03-26-2022 03:42 PM)TigerFanFromAfar Wrote:  

(03-26-2022 03:38 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-26-2022 02:57 PM)TigerFanFromAfar Wrote:  So insanely ridiculous the gall this organization has to pretend that the entire veil of their authority hasn’t been lifted. They dig that deep into the university and find crumbs to flick at the administration in hopes that they bow down to these useless idiots.

They sold their soul ages ago and can and will continue to suck at the tit of the blue bloods that skirt and trim and maneuver away from them every minute of every hour of every day.

Players make NIL money now. No one cares. All the perceived evils of the $100 handshake of the 80’s has been replaced by local companies outwardly supporting these athletes and the NCAA just cannot stand that absolutely anyone with an ounce of a brain can truly see that it doesn’t make a lick of difference and their “oversight” of college athletics has been a gigantic sham.

Go the way of the Dodo bird. Extinction is the only reasonable end result for these hapless goons and the people that pretended they could regulate the BILLIONS of dollars colleges make from athletic departments. Take a bow NCAA. In the end you couldn’t even prevent a biological man from winning NCAA womens swimming titles.

I applaud our admin for not cooperating with em. F em!

Totally asinine post.

Again throwing around the billion dollar claim.

The NCAA keeps very little of the money.

The vast majority goes back to member schools to finance non revenue sports.

There are right at 1,000 Div 1 schools and only 25 either break even or turn a profit from their athletic programs.

Most non revenue sports would not exist without the money generated by NCAA post season tournaments.

If you're really concerned about the athletes you would be focused on another key number.

40% of all college athletes leave school without a degree.

After taking in account those who leave school to turn pro.

You still have around 35% of athletes who leave school without a degree who will not see a single day playing pro sports.

That's more than one in every 3 athletes with no degree and no marketable skills for the future.

Specifically said colleges make billions not the NCAA.

And what part of only 25 out of 1,000 Div 1 schools break even or turn profit goes over your head?

It takes billions to run all of college sports.

NO SCHOOLS ARE GETTING RICH RUNNING ATHLETIC PROGRAMS.

97.5% of all Div 1 schools lost money on athletic program.

(03-26-2022 03:12 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(03-26-2022 02:57 PM)TigerFanFromAfar Wrote:  So insanely ridiculous the gall this organization has to pretend that the entire veil of their authority hasn’t been lifted. They dig that deep into the university and find crumbs to flick at the administration in hopes that they bow down to these useless idiots.

They sold their soul ages ago and can and will continue to suck at the tit of the blue bloods that skirt and trim and maneuver away from them every minute of every hour of every day.

Players make NIL money now. No one cares. All the perceived evils of the $100 handshake of the 80’s has been replaced by local companies outwardly supporting these athletes and the NCAA just cannot stand that absolutely anyone with an ounce of a brain can truly see that it doesn’t make a lick of difference and their “oversight” of college athletics has been a gigantic sham.

Go the way of the Dodo bird. Extinction is the only reasonable end result for these hapless goons and the people that pretended they could regulate the BILLIONS of dollars colleges make from athletic departments. Take a bow NCAA. In the end you couldn’t even prevent a biological man from winning NCAA womens swimming titles.

I applaud our admin for not cooperating with em. F em!

This is why I want ncaa athletics to just die. It's so hypocritical, it exploits the players, it gives jackwad unviersity presidents tons of leverage and money they don't deserve etc etc. End the whole charade.

I don’t agree on exploitation unless there is an active attempt to circumvent academic opportunities.

Free education, royalty treatment for training, nutrition, travel, academic tutors, priority scheduling, prep for professional jobs, choice internships, celebrity platform for work if the pros don’t call, now the NIL. That doesn’t count the under the table dial transaction.

Yes the the universities certainly benefit from the entire athletic mess but so do the players and families. It creates opportunities. It creates wealth that the “us” can never access. It creates life relationships like no other.

This whole argument that people at the top of the food chain make more money than those coming through the ranks fails at a lot levels. People who create the opportunities benefit more than the masses except for the exceptionally talented? Well duh! Anybody heard of free market value?

Yes there abuses and they should be addressed and changes made. But generalizations are generally false.

Why can't the university of memphis just play basketball without all the dam drama! They just suck the joy out any success the team has. What makes this so hard for them. I am so frustrated with Penny and the program. What is the problem. Just recruit and coach! Why is all this necessary. ALL I CAN SAY IS DAMM!!!!

So this is all stuff that the university has known about since ‘21 but the commercial appeal decides to break this story right at the most important time in recruiting and the transfer portal? Looks to me like the media is trying to get the last laugh on Penny, a little F-U for the tirade earlier in the year. Despite the so called violations, I don’t see how the NCAA could really stick it to us and maintain any credibility without doing the same to all the blue bloods that have been under investigation for much worse allegations (and we know they’re not going to do that). The NCAA’s penalty could have been relatively minor like losing a few scholarships and maybe a suspension for penny but the timing of this breaking story is going to f us with loss of players and recruiting probably more than if they had just waited a few months for the NCAA to release their findings and punishment on their own.

(03-26-2022 03:59 PM)Scott71 Wrote:  Why can't the university of memphis just play basketball without all the dam drama! They just suck the joy out any success the team has. What makes this so hard for them. I am so frustrated with Penny and the program. What is the problem. Just recruit and coach! Why is all this necessary. ALL I CAN SAY IS DAMM!!!!

Scot71....

at least the Grizz make the city proud, right?

and what about the new hire for OC, Tim Cramsey? Lotso things to be excited about. Right?

(03-26-2022 03:55 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-26-2022 03:42 PM)TigerFanFromAfar Wrote:  

(03-26-2022 03:38 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-26-2022 02:57 PM)TigerFanFromAfar Wrote:  So insanely ridiculous the gall this organization has to pretend that the entire veil of their authority hasn’t been lifted. They dig that deep into the university and find crumbs to flick at the administration in hopes that they bow down to these useless idiots.

They sold their soul ages ago and can and will continue to suck at the tit of the blue bloods that skirt and trim and maneuver away from them every minute of every hour of every day.

Players make NIL money now. No one cares. All the perceived evils of the $100 handshake of the 80’s has been replaced by local companies outwardly supporting these athletes and the NCAA just cannot stand that absolutely anyone with an ounce of a brain can truly see that it doesn’t make a lick of difference and their “oversight” of college athletics has been a gigantic sham.

Go the way of the Dodo bird. Extinction is the only reasonable end result for these hapless goons and the people that pretended they could regulate the BILLIONS of dollars colleges make from athletic departments. Take a bow NCAA. In the end you couldn’t even prevent a biological man from winning NCAA womens swimming titles.

I applaud our admin for not cooperating with em. F em!

Totally asinine post.

Again throwing around the billion dollar claim.

The NCAA keeps very little of the money.

The vast majority goes back to member schools to finance non revenue sports.

There are right at 1,000 Div 1 schools and only 25 either break even or turn a profit from their athletic programs.

Most non revenue sports would not exist without the money generated by NCAA post season tournaments.

If you're really concerned about the athletes you would be focused on another key number.

40% of all college athletes leave school without a degree.

After taking in account those who leave school to turn pro.

You still have around 35% of athletes who leave school without a degree who will not see a single day playing pro sports.

That's more than one in every 3 athletes with no degree and no marketable skills for the future.

Specifically said colleges make billions not the NCAA.

And what part of only 25 out of 1,000 Div 1 schools break even or turn profit goes over your head?

It takes billions to run all of college sports.

NO SCHOOLS ARE GETTING RICH RUNNING ATHLETIC PROGRAMS.

97.5% of all Div 1 schools lost money on athletic program.

I guess it’s going straight over my head. What’s your point? What is the NCAA doing effectively in your mind?

(03-26-2022 03:57 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(03-26-2022 03:12 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(03-26-2022 02:57 PM)TigerFanFromAfar Wrote:  So insanely ridiculous the gall this organization has to pretend that the entire veil of their authority hasn’t been lifted. They dig that deep into the university and find crumbs to flick at the administration in hopes that they bow down to these useless idiots.

They sold their soul ages ago and can and will continue to suck at the tit of the blue bloods that skirt and trim and maneuver away from them every minute of every hour of every day.

Players make NIL money now. No one cares. All the perceived evils of the $100 handshake of the 80’s has been replaced by local companies outwardly supporting these athletes and the NCAA just cannot stand that absolutely anyone with an ounce of a brain can truly see that it doesn’t make a lick of difference and their “oversight” of college athletics has been a gigantic sham.

Go the way of the Dodo bird. Extinction is the only reasonable end result for these hapless goons and the people that pretended they could regulate the BILLIONS of dollars colleges make from athletic departments. Take a bow NCAA. In the end you couldn’t even prevent a biological man from winning NCAA womens swimming titles.

I applaud our admin for not cooperating with em. F em!

This is why I want ncaa athletics to just die. It's so hypocritical, it exploits the players, it gives jackwad unviersity presidents tons of leverage and money they don't deserve etc etc. End the whole charade.

I don’t agree on exploitation unless there is an active attempt to circumvent academic opportunities.

Free education, royalty treatment for training, nutrition, travel, academic tutors, priority scheduling, prep for professional jobs, choice internships, celebrity platform for work if the pros don’t call, now the NIL. That doesn’t count the under the table dial transaction.

Yes the the universities certainly benefit from the entire athletic mess but so do the players and families. It creates opportunities. It creates wealth that the “us” can never access. It creates life relationships like no other.

This whole argument that people at the top of the food chain make more money than those coming through the ranks fails at a lot levels. People who create the opportunities benefit more than the masses except for the exceptionally talented? Well duh! Anybody heard of free market value?

Yes there abuses and they should be addressed and changes made. But generalizations are generally false.

I have no problem with a total revamping of college sports.

#1 would be eliminate the money issue by adopting something most pro leagues have, revenue sharing.

All TV and post season revenue split between all schools.

Then 20% of each school's revenue received must go into school's general education fund.

Adopt the baseball model for all sports.

Allow them to draft kids out of highy, but if kid chooses to go to college he is not eligible for draft till after his Jr year.

Tighten up the APR.

College sports should be a chance to acquire an education and marketable skills for the future and not a minor league for pro sports.

The decision to play Wiseman when the NCAA advised against it will prove to be the most costly error in the history of the University of Memphis.

If Rudd & Bowen were not already “gone” then they both should be escorted out of the building. There is no overcoming the fall out & not chance of receiving a Big 12 invite.

So terribly shortsighted.

So, what was being investigated other than Wiseman? What were we allegedly covering up?

(03-26-2022 04:27 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The decision to play Wiseman when the NCAA advised against it will prove to be the most costly error in the history of the University of Memphis.

If Rudd & Bowen were not already “gone” then they both should be escorted out of the building. There is no overcoming the fall out & not chance of receiving a Big 12 invite.

So terribly shortsighted.

Which ones of the violations are related to playing Wiseman?

Ouch! Not a good look regardless.

(03-26-2022 04:36 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-26-2022 04:27 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The decision to play Wiseman when the NCAA advised against it will prove to be the most costly error in the history of the University of Memphis.

If Rudd & Bowen were not already “gone” then they both should be escorted out of the building. There is no overcoming the fall out & not chance of receiving a Big 12 invite.

So terribly shortsighted.

Which ones of the violations are related to playing Wiseman?

None. This isn’t related to the Wiseman situation. This is related to the investigation of the Wiseman situation.

Seems like the NCAA knew they did wrong in that case and decided to find other infractions to get back

The lack of details from the ncaa and the extensive redacting by the U of M make it impossible to know who is to blame and for what. The fact that the ncaa has been able to make the rules, enforce them or not as they choose, and expect schools like Memphis to bend the knee for so long without being held accountable is ludicrous. I’m only going to be mad about this if Memphis gets hammered while LSU, Arizona, and Kansas skate through. I’m sure the ncaa is very concerned with whether I am mad or not, btw.

(03-26-2022 04:45 PM)wpyoung78 Wrote:  The lack of details from the ncaa and the extensive redacting by the U of M make it impossible to know who is to blame and for what. The fact that the ncaa has been able to make the rules, enforce them or not as they choose, and expect schools like Memphis to bend the knee for so long without being held accountable is ludicrous. I’m only going to be mad about this if Memphis gets hammered while LSU, Arizona, and Kansas skate through. I’m sure the ncaa is very concerned with whether I am mad or not, btw.

Haha. Good post

(03-26-2022 04:36 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-26-2022 04:27 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The decision to play Wiseman when the NCAA advised against it will prove to be the most costly error in the history of the University of Memphis.

If Rudd & Bowen were not already “gone” then they both should be escorted out of the building. There is no overcoming the fall out & not chance of receiving a Big 12 invite.

So terribly shortsighted.

Which ones of the violations are related to playing Wiseman?

The NCAA, specifically the “independent” investigation, took carte blanche once we let them in the door.

(03-26-2022 04:27 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The decision to play Wiseman when the NCAA advised against it will prove to be the most costly error in the history of the University of Memphis.

If Rudd & Bowen were not already “gone” then they both should be escorted out of the building. There is no overcoming the fall out & not chance of receiving a Big 12 invite.

So terribly shortsighted.

Rudd got us Carnegie I and NCAA level I

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(03-26-2022 04:49 PM)Seabee TIger Fan Wrote:  

(03-26-2022 04:36 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-26-2022 04:27 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The decision to play Wiseman when the NCAA advised against it will prove to be the most costly error in the history of the University of Memphis.

If Rudd & Bowen were not already “gone” then they both should be escorted out of the building. There is no overcoming the fall out & not chance of receiving a Big 12 invite.

So terribly shortsighted.

Which ones of the violations are related to playing Wiseman?

The NCAA, specifically the “independent” investigation, took carte blanche once we let them in the door.

yep, it seems we'd have been better off not going the IARP route

Ike has an appointment in west Memphis tonight, he needs to have a rough time to forget this mess

I feel sort of bad for Laird. Some of this happened on his watch, but he probably inherited much more of a mess and many more skeletons in the closet than he expected. I’m not sure if he makes it through this, either. I also wonder if this will be far reaching enough to bring Bowen down at ASU