It just means a G5 would not automatically get the pro rata 100% increase for all schools.

Even a P5 would not get full pro rata (ESPN said they would provide $$, Fox said they wouldn't).

Any G5 would have to be negotiated (not automatic). Not a deal killer and standard.

All that said...I think the Big 12 is focused on other P5s. We are going to need some more raiding and shake ups.

(11-02-2022 02:40 PM)griffin Wrote:  

(11-01-2022 02:58 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-01-2022 12:58 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-01-2022 12:48 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(11-01-2022 10:15 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  Opinion not truth. At one point flat earthers knew truth. Earth was the center of the universe was truth. The four minute mile would never be broken was truth. The Tigers would never go to a NY Bowl was truth. The UM would never be R1 was truth. FEDEX would never be a success was truth.

All truth for “some”.

You tend to post on the pessimistic side of the future. I’m more of I’m in till there is proof of no more options.

Here’s some truth since we are going that route:

We can’t just keep firing coaches gotta get facilities going - hired Fuente before the facilities then we got Norvell all BEFORE we even got an IPF.


Didn’t get in a BCS conference in 2003 or whenever it was because we didn’t care about football. Finally got in and they dissolved the BCS and it became the PF

Didn’t get in 2016 because Fred Smith was lied to. Texas and ESPN killed it, Us and Cincinnati were IN yada yada yada

We hired an AD that was a football guy. Made improvements to the lockeroom. Increased coaches and assistants salaries. Made Tiger lane one of the best tailgate spots in the country. Got an IPF built. Went 12-1 hosted Gameday, went to the Cotton Bowl

STILL didn’t get in. Well that’s because we play in a 60,000 seat municipal owned stadium. Nevermind that we don’t even have the 3 million to buy out a coach much less 200 plus million , probably double that with inflation, acquiring the land for it etc.


And you think that’s being pessimistic?

If the city can get $200M from the state, so could our university - and the mayor said he would have supported whatever the university wanted. But we have a lazy admin with no vision or ambition for the university. We'd rather someone else do the heavy lifting & we'll take whatever they give us. So we rent a place to play our major revenue sports - and we have many who think that shows investment & commitment.

In 2021, UT undertook a $500 million fundraising initiative with $200 million already committed. It took us 15 years to raise $20 million (instead of $9 million) to build an IPF. Even if you want to put some of the blame on the admin, you can't blame them for not undertaking a $350 million project and seeing the possibility of raising $100 million from the whales and $50 million from the rest of the fanbase.

Then what?

For the dude above you, the State was direct in dealing with Memphis. The money is not there for a OCS, the money will be there for LBS....speaking on what you do not know.

This is where the school is a total disappointment. It's that simple. Take it public. Make it an argument. They just roll over without any public input. They school, the city, and the state might be very surprised if they actually let the matter come to public discussion. The fact they don't push this is why I have no confidence in them at all.

(11-02-2022 11:10 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-02-2022 10:56 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-01-2022 12:58 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  If the city can get $200M from the state, so could our university - and the mayor said he would have supported whatever the university wanted. But we have a lazy admin with no vision or ambition for the university. We'd rather someone else do the heavy lifting & we'll take whatever they give us. So we rent a place to play our major revenue sports - and we have many who think that shows investment & commitment.

Which admin?
Raines-Johnson, Raines, Bowen, Rudd-Bowen, Rudd-Veatch, or Hardgrave-Veatch?
We've struggled with funding problems through multiple admins.
Maybe the challenges are more than you realize and not exactly just laziness.

All of the above and more back to Humphreys. Some made major positive contributions others not so much but ALL worked under a consensus of what they considered was best for the city or themselves personally rather than the university - and unfortunately the city has a long history of not knowing or acting even in its best long-term interests.

So every prez and AD that Memphis has hired since Humphreys is lazy.
[unbelievable what you guys come up with]

(11-02-2022 12:44 PM)Claw Wrote:  UPDATE on Big XII contract pro rata:

ESPN has a pro rata clause in their part of the Big XII contract. Any P5 school that is added to the Big XII will get the same money as the existing schools and the overall payout increases proportionately. But only for a P5 school.

The Fox part of the contract (about 30%) has no pro rata clause at all.

This is not good news for us or any other G5. It's going to be a cold winter.

Not exactly the full story - but it's the most negative spin to it - so kudos.
There is a pro rata there for G5 - just not 100%.
And in fact, when you factor in Fox, the pro rata is not 100% for P5 either.
So not the death knell.

(11-03-2022 09:44 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-02-2022 11:10 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-02-2022 10:56 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-01-2022 12:58 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  If the city can get $200M from the state, so could our university - and the mayor said he would have supported whatever the university wanted. But we have a lazy admin with no vision or ambition for the university. We'd rather someone else do the heavy lifting & we'll take whatever they give us. So we rent a place to play our major revenue sports - and we have many who think that shows investment & commitment.

Which admin?
Raines-Johnson, Raines, Bowen, Rudd-Bowen, Rudd-Veatch, or Hardgrave-Veatch?
We've struggled with funding problems through multiple admins.
Maybe the challenges are more than you realize and not exactly just laziness.

All of the above and more back to Humphreys. Some made major positive contributions others not so much but ALL worked under a consensus of what they considered was best for the city or themselves personally rather than the university - and unfortunately the city has a long history of not knowing or acting even in its best long-term interests.

So every prez and AD that Memphis has hired since Humphreys is lazy.
[unbelievable what you guys come up with]

Facts are hard to deny.

The enrollment today is the same as it was in 1977. Enrollment has not grown in 50 years. It's hard to credit past Presidents when our institution has failed to grow for fifty straight years.

Rudd was a breath of fresh air. Our own Board of Regents marks the beginning of a new era as well.

Maybe we are turning a corner.

(11-03-2022 10:10 AM)Claw Wrote:  The enrollment today is the same as it was in 1977. Enrollment has not grown in 50 years. It's hard to credit past Presidents when our institution has failed to grow for fifty straight years.

Rudd was a breath of fresh air. Our own Board of Regents marks the beginning of a new era as well.

Maybe we are turning a corner.

This bolded statement is completely misleading. Enrollment dropped significantly in the 80's & 90's, and then grew in the 2010's (and grew while raising academic standards AND national reach), thanks to a lot of hard work in recruitment.

For what it's worth, ALL universities nationwide will see a distinct drop in enrollment in the next several years, as birth rates that coincide with HS seniors will plummet. That will not be the fault of anyone in higher ed - there will simply be fewer kids to enroll.

The UofM is already working on ideas to mitigate that enrollment drop - and likely is a big factor in considering what they're willing to spend $$ on in the near future.

(11-03-2022 11:16 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(11-03-2022 10:10 AM)Claw Wrote:  The enrollment today is the same as it was in 1977. Enrollment has not grown in 50 years. It's hard to credit past Presidents when our institution has failed to grow for fifty straight years.

Rudd was a breath of fresh air. Our own Board of Regents marks the beginning of a new era as well.

Maybe we are turning a corner.

This bolded statement is completely misleading. Enrollment dropped significantly in the 80's & 90's, and then grew in the 2010's (and grew while raising academic standards AND national reach), thanks to a lot of hard work in recruitment.

For what it's worth, ALL universities nationwide will see a distinct drop in enrollment in the next several years, as birth rates that coincide with HS seniors will plummet. That will not be the fault of anyone in higher ed - there will simply be fewer kids to enroll.

The UofM is already working on ideas to mitigate that enrollment drop - and likely is a big factor in considering what they're willing to spend $$ on in the near future.

Easy to white wash facts. Examples in GA are that most every state university has increased in enrollment consistently since 1977 (using the quoted timeframe above). Prime example, Kennesaw St Univ, now with the 1st or 2nd largest (depending if you count part-time graduate students which would make GT the largest) enrollment in the state of GA @43K+ & in 1977, enrollment was 3444 prior to which it was a jr college. And UGA at #3 turns down 60% of all applicants. with a current enrollment of approx 40K. And interestingly KSU was recently invited to join CUSA after consistent success in all sports at other levels.