(10-15-2021 09:35 AM)CardinalJim Wrote: Climb down off your soapbox.
You’re not going to change anyones mind about how much easier it would be for lowlife Liberals to steal Presidential elections without an Electoral College.
If we’re going to reform our elections, personally I would like to see election results announced before the Socialists in California, Washington and Oregon have voted.
That’s how it used to be done and should never have changed.
The bill KEEPS the Electoral College.
5,187,019 Californians live in rural areas.
Now, because of statewide winner-take-all laws for awarding electors, minority party voters in the states don’t matter.
There are 5 million Republicans in California. That is a larger number of Republicans than 47 other states.
Trump got more votes in California than he got in Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi and West Virginia combined.
None of the votes in California for Trump, helped Trump.
California Democratic votes in 2016 were 6.4% of the total national popular vote.
The vote difference in California wouldn't have put Clinton over the top in the popular vote total without the additional 61.5 million votes she received in other states.
California cast 10.3% of the total national popular vote.
31.9% Trump, 62.3% Clinton
61% of an equally populous Republican base area of states running from West Virginia to Wyoming (termed “Appalachafornia”) votes were for Trump. He got 4,475,297 more votes than Clinton.
With the National Popular Vote bill in effect, all votes for all candidates in California and Appalachafornia will matter equally.
In 2012, California cast 10.2% of the national popular vote.
About 62% Democratic
California has 10.2% of Electoral College votes.
8 small western states, with less than a third of California’s population, provided Bush with a bigger margin (1,283,076) than California provided Kerry (1,235,659).
With the National Popular Vote bill in effect, all Republican votes in California and every other state will matter.
The vote of every voter in the country (Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, or Green) would help his or her preferred candidate win the Presidency.
California and New York state had a total of 24,243,000 registered voters.
15% of the total number of registered voters in the US in 2018 (which is 153,066,000).
5,187,019 Californians live in rural areas.
1,366,760 New Yorkers live in rural areas.
Now, because of statewide winner-take-all laws for awarding electors, minority party voters in the states don’t matter.
California and New York state together would not dominate the choice of President under National Popular Vote because there is an equally populous group of Republican states (with 58 million people) that gave Trump a similar percentage of their vote (60%) and a similar popular-vote margin (6 million).
In 2016, New York state and California Democrats together cast 9.7% of the total national popular vote.
California & New York state account for 16.7% of the voting-eligible population
All voters in any state do not all vote for the same candidate.
Now, all electors of a state all vote for the statewide winner.
No losing party voters for president matter in any way in each state.
Alone, they could not determine the presidency.
All voters in any state do not all vote for the same candidate.
Now, all electors of a state all vote for the statewide winner.
No losing party voters for president matter in any way in each state.
In total New York state and California (84 electors in total) cast 16% of the total national popular vote
In total, Florida (29), Texas (38), and Pennsylvania (20) (87 total) cast 18% of the total national popular vote.
Trump won those states.
All the voters – 66% -- in the 45 other states and DC would matter and count equally.
The vote margin in California and New York wouldn't have put Clinton over the top in the popular vote total without the additional 60 million votes she received in other states.
In 2004, among the four largest states, the two largest Republican states (Texas and Florida) generated a total margin of 2.1 million votes for Bush, while the two largest Democratic states generated a total margin of 2.1 million votes for Kerry.
New York state and California together cast 15.7% of the national popular vote in 2012.
About 62% Democratic in CA, and 64% in NY.
New York and California have 15.6% of Electoral College votes. Now that proportion is all reliably Democratic.
Under a popular-vote system CA and NY Democrats would have less weight than under the current system because their popular votes would be offset by NY and CA Republican votes.
The vote of every voter in the country (Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, or Green) would help his or her preferred candidate win the Presidency.
The most populous SIX states are California, Texas, New York, Florida, Pennsylvania and Illinois.
All voters in those state, and all other states, do not all vote for the same candidate.
In 2016,
CA, New York state, and Illinois Democrats together cast 12% of the total national popular vote.
In total New York state (29 electors), Illinois (20), and California (55), with 19% of U.S. electors, cast 20% of the total national popular vote
In total, Florida (29), Texas (38), and Pennsylvania (20), with 16% of U.S. electors, cast 18% of the total national popular vote.
Trump won those states
All the voters – 62% -- in the 44 other states and DC would have mattered and counted equally.
States are agreeing to award their 270+ electoral votes to the winner of the most national popular votes.
All votes would be valued equally in presidential elections, no matter where voters live.
Unable to agree on any particular method for selecting presidential electors, the Founding Fathers left the choice of method exclusively to the states in Article II, Section 1
“Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors….”
The U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly characterized the authority of the state legislatures over the manner of awarding their electoral votes as "plenary" and "exclusive."
Under statewide “winner-take-all” laws, not mentioned, much less endorsed in the Constitution, now used in 48 states, the presidential-elector candidates who receive the most popular votes statewide are elected.
In district winner states, the candidate for the position of presidential elector who wins the most popular votes in each congressional district is elected (with the two remaining electors being based on the statewide popular vote).
In states enacting the National Popular Vote bill, when enacted by states with a majority of the electoral votes—270 of 538, all of the 270+ presidential electors from the enacting states will be supporters of the presidential candidate receiving the most popular votes among all 50 states (and DC).
Non-enacting states could award their electors however they want. Continuing with statewide winner-take-all, or enacting some other law.
Each state’s elected presidential electors travel to their State Capitol on the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December to cast their votes for President and Vice President.
The Electoral College will continue to elect the President.