(10-04-2021 09:04 PM)griffin Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:40 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Folks we avg 39K-40K attendance. half of them walkups. 45K is is more than big enough.

Physically impossible to sell 20K walk ups on game day.

Best they could do going full throttle w the windows they have open is maybe 3K - maybe and we do not sell 3K of walk ups on game day.

He was likely talking about single-game tix.
And that might be a bit over-stated, but I get the point.
Besides, true walk-ups don't need windows these days. You can buy them from your phone.

(10-04-2021 09:14 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:40 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Folks we avg 39K-40K attendance. half of them walkups. 45K is is more than big enough.

Of course it is. But even before that there's the question of funds. Where exactly is the money at? Then after that, where is the on campus land to build it?

Money can come from:
Donation campaign
Naming rights
City funds
State funds
School student fees
Bonds

On campus locations:
Track/ROTC area
east of Zach Curlin
south of Centennial Place
north of Central, by the Holiday Inn
south of Southern

Off campus locations:
Park Campus
Audubon Park

Universities all around the country have figured this out. And most of them weren't sitting on pots of gold in vacant fields on campus.

(10-04-2021 09:31 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:55 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 07:48 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 06:13 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 05:43 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  .....

PEOPLE ON HERE SAYING MAKE IT 40K and we can expand it later LOL-----WE ALREADY HAVE A STADIUM THAT WE DON"T HAVE TO EXPAND LATER

LOL--yeah make it 40K and tell the thousands of TIGER fans that CAN'T AFFORD SEASON TICKETS --screw you we will expand 10 years from now so you POOR people can attend

Yeah, that's not how you do it. First off, it would need to be 45K. Not 40K. We have not had a crowd bigger than 45K except for 2 or 3 games over the last decade. I'm sorry, but that's the truth. So your "we would run out of seats for the poor" theory is not correct.

Secondly you build it to be expandable, but you don't expand it as soon as you get 90% capacity for all 6 home games. You wait a couple years to make sure the increase in demand is sustainable. THEN... you go up 5K max. Then you wait for the 90% capacity threshold happens again, and follow the same plan again.

I'm sure if this plan was explained to the BigXII leadership, they would all agree it would be a very responsible path.

And in the event that we do not get to the BigXII within the next decade, those expansions don't happen, and we will be in a much more appropriately sized stadium.

So you are saying 45K then expand 50K then expand 55K then expand ---each time we expand with inflation in building costs --$$$$MILLIONS MILLIONS MILLIONS$$$$$

I say stay at MEMPHIS MEMORIAL STADIUM but if we do build OCS --make it as big as MMS---because getting in a power 5 we will need the seats---and we DON'T ALIENATE 3/4 of our fanbase that can't afford season tickets that attend 2-3 games a year because we built a rinky dinky small stadium. I can't wait for the logic behind it when the school tells 3/4 of the fans----screw you --you either get a better paying job and purchase season tickets --or you just wait a couple years when we expand--because you the common fan wasn't important enough for us to make it big enough FOR ALL TIGER FANS TO BEGIN WITH-----If you don't like it spend your hard earned $$$elsewhere ----

If the stadium is not big enough for the average fan to attend when they have a couple extra bucks------then you haven't seen apathy yet

No one has talked about multiple expansions. We and most schools don't have an average attendance to justify needing a capacity the size of the "MMS". Only 37 schools averaged around 55k and higher attendance over a five-year period. We were a little over 37K. We haven't shown we need that amount of seats you're talking about. That 3/4 of fan base you're mentioning, during a run of winning, have had access to around 20k seats that are going unused.

What is your proof that there is enough of a walk-up crowd to need that amount of seats available? Seriously asking as it seems right now you are making an assumption and treating it as fact. Using that average we still would have 8k seats available in a 45k stadium. The 3/4 you are mentioning have yet to show they could fill that in the current stadium. And if they could we would see the numbers/averages higher than what they have been.

DID YOU NOT READ THE POST THAT I RESPONDED 2---THAT SAID EXPAND IN A COUPLE YEARS---REALLY DID YOU RESPOND WITHOUT ACTUALLY READING WHAT I RESPONDED TO

It is the same gibberish repeated over and over. If someone read it 5 years ago, it's exactly now as it was then. How could anyone have possibly missed the same 4 posts, repeated 1,000 times each?

(10-04-2021 10:34 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  If they can do it right, I’m totally down with renovating the Liberty Bowl. TCU fixed up their stadium from a essentially a large HS venue to a nice place. It can be done.

It's fine, as option D-ish.
The other big issue is the university being treated as a 3rd rate tenant, and not in control of their stadium.

(10-05-2021 11:02 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 09:14 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:40 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Folks we avg 39K-40K attendance. half of them walkups. 45K is is more than big enough.

Of course it is. But even before that there's the question of funds. Where exactly is the money at? Then after that, where is the on campus land to build it?

Money can come from:
Donation campaign
Naming rights
City funds
State funds
School student fees
Bonds

On campus locations:
Track/ROTC area
east of Zach Curlin
south of Centennial Place
north of Central, by the Holiday Inn
south of Southern

Off campus locations:
Park Campus
Audubon Park

Universities all around the country have figured this out. And most of them weren't sitting on pots of gold in vacant fields on campus.

100%. Just figure it out. Many others have done it. So can Memphis.

(10-05-2021 10:55 AM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(10-05-2021 10:49 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  The Caulkins-Strickland-Simmons Bank interview was sickening for Tigers fans.
Strickland kept repeating "the university MUST fund the lion's shares of stadium improvements".
One of the reasons he used is the city is paying too much to maintain 100% of FedExForum and 50% of AutoZone Park (or maybe I have it backwards).
So he doesn't have the money to help out the university, because he's too busy helping out owners and corporate entities.
Instead, he wants a public university to fund improvements to a city owned property.
He acts like the city is doing the university a favor because it costs the city a whopping $300k annually to maintain THE CITY's property.
Yet, they will block and tackle any efforts for the university to have their own property.
Strickland was very non-committal with how the Simmons money will be used - leaving the impression that it will simply go into the city's operating funds as revenue.
Finally, Stickland uses Nippert Stadium as his benchmark example for why the Univ of Memphis should fund improvements to the Liberty Bowl; Nippert is an OCS stadium owned and controlled by the university - and Caulkins never challenges him on it.

I thought they gave the fxf to the griz? They aren't responsible for the upkeep but we have to negotiate with them for it's usage? Sounds f-ed up to me.

Yeah, I've quit trying to understand that lease (the one that keeps concerts from coming to town).
So I don't know.
But that's what they said.
And Calkins seemed to fully understand it because he was the one who brought up "major improvements that the city will be responsible for in FEF".

(10-04-2021 10:29 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 10:11 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 09:31 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  DID YOU NOT READ THE POST THAT I RESPONDED 2---THAT SAID EXPAND IN A COUPLE YEARS---REALLY DID YOU RESPOND WITHOUT ACTUALLY READING WHAT I RESPONDED TO

I definitely misread that part of the post and admit being wrong.

(10-04-2021 09:37 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  Call it walk-ups or single game tickets purchased why limit the number of fans -----is it better for a sellout of 40-45K seat stadium ----or sometimes 50-55k+----in a 60k seat stadium-----we get in a power 5 with less cupcakes--we will need a stadium as big as MMS

But it's not a limit if you have a large amount going unused. We haven't shown we can potentially consistently sell out a 40-45k stadium. If you go to link I posted you'll see that a lot of Power 5 teams aren't drawing the attendance needed for a 60k stadium. And I know you mentioned Boise State being told by the Big 12 to expand their stadium. But I would not expect the number to be high. I posted this in your OCS thread. You can see the capacities of who were invited and who are already in the conference. Seven of them (ignoring Oklahoma and Texas) are around 50k and lower. And there are more than enough P5 schools with stadiums well under 60k to show we wouldn't need something that large.

THANKS --that showed you have integrity -----unlike another person on here that is worse than FONZIE at saying he was wrong LOL

You made some valid points

My contention is that when/if we get in a so-called power 5 ---with less cupcakes then attendance will improve --think OLE PIZZ game 60,241 SMU 59,506----imagine if we only had a 40-45k seat stadium--all the fans that would have been deprived

Supposedly Boise going to 53k

Both games are outliers that we’re not guaranteed to ever see again. Does Memphis even get near a sellout without Ole Miss being 10 miles down the road? Do you really think a Texas Tech or a Kansas are going to draw more than a Cincinnati/UCF/Houston? 60,000??

(10-05-2021 10:58 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:21 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  Do we need press box

A lot of ESPN broadcast are from their homes

That's a whole other issue.
Do we really need ESPN announcers, if they are watching from home?
I've already got my kids and dog watching from home and telling me what's happening.

What does your dog think of our defensive scheme?

Do we need a "rover" back?

Wait... I thought Calkins said the reason we didnt get in was racism?

(10-04-2021 02:03 PM)CRM114 Wrote:  Maybe I have a different perspective from most people on the board because I live in the city limits, so I'm both a university supporter and a city taxpayer. It does leave me conflicted on the issue of how much the City of Memphis should fund a stadium. The sports fan in me wants the city to finance nice arenas to get and keep nice things like an NBA team or P5 affiliation. The fiscal conservative side of me says that publicly-funded sports arenas are boondoggles, particularly seldom-used football stadiums, and the city's primary responsibility should be to me the city resident and not me, the Tiger alumnus and fan.

Either way, I don't agree that my city's government is constantly screwing my university. Apparently the stadium continues to operate at a $350-400K annual loss without the city demanding its primary tenant cover the difference. It put money into Tiger Lane and other upgrades. It's preparing to do more. It could tell the three tenants (UofM, AZLB and SHC) that they must accept rent hikes or it's closing the place, and that the university will have to build its own stadium if it wants to keep playing football; ironically, this exactly the kind of "screwing" many OCS proponents want to see happen! But the city has decided that it's of some civic value to absorb part of the operating costs without reimbursement so that the community gets the social and economic benefits of those games being played here.

That major upgrade or a new stadium are even being discussed at this point suggest that the university is viewed as an asset and/or is using some leverage.

Is it a loss or an investment? It has been reported that the LB game has a $25 million direct annual economic impact on the City of Memphis. The SHC is around $15 million. Overall impact is much higher. I don’t know where else the city could invest $350-400 thousand and see a ROI like that. And that’s for those two games alone.

A recent economic impact report by Applied Analysis revealed this:

From an operational perspective, the UofM contributes nearly $1.1 billion in economic activity annually, supports nearly $500 million in wages and salary payments for local workers and is directly or indirectly responsible for roughly 9,900 Memphis-area jobs.
https://www.memphis.edu/mediaroom/releas...onomic.php

(10-04-2021 02:03 PM)CRM114 Wrote:  It could tell the three tenants (UofM, AZLB and SHC) that they must accept rent hikes or it's closing the place

Not in this world.

(10-05-2021 11:13 AM)Alcalde2 Wrote:  Wait... I thought Calkins said the reason we didnt get in was racism?

This most recent time. The stadium is an issue for the NEXT round of invites.

(10-05-2021 10:58 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:21 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  Do we need press box

A lot of ESPN broadcast are from their homes

That's a whole other issue.
Do we really need ESPN announcers, if they are watching from home?
I've already got my kids and dog watching from home and telling me what's happening.

Damn dude. I wanna meet your dog and shake their hand. Might be a good guy to know for sound advice.

(10-05-2021 11:10 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 10:29 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 10:11 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 09:31 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  DID YOU NOT READ THE POST THAT I RESPONDED 2---THAT SAID EXPAND IN A COUPLE YEARS---REALLY DID YOU RESPOND WITHOUT ACTUALLY READING WHAT I RESPONDED TO

I definitely misread that part of the post and admit being wrong.

(10-04-2021 09:37 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  Call it walk-ups or single game tickets purchased why limit the number of fans -----is it better for a sellout of 40-45K seat stadium ----or sometimes 50-55k+----in a 60k seat stadium-----we get in a power 5 with less cupcakes--we will need a stadium as big as MMS

But it's not a limit if you have a large amount going unused. We haven't shown we can potentially consistently sell out a 40-45k stadium. If you go to link I posted you'll see that a lot of Power 5 teams aren't drawing the attendance needed for a 60k stadium. And I know you mentioned Boise State being told by the Big 12 to expand their stadium. But I would not expect the number to be high. I posted this in your OCS thread. You can see the capacities of who were invited and who are already in the conference. Seven of them (ignoring Oklahoma and Texas) are around 50k and lower. And there are more than enough P5 schools with stadiums well under 60k to show we wouldn't need something that large.

THANKS --that showed you have integrity -----unlike another person on here that is worse than FONZIE at saying he was wrong LOL

You made some valid points

My contention is that when/if we get in a so-called power 5 ---with less cupcakes then attendance will improve --think OLE PIZZ game 60,241 SMU 59,506----imagine if we only had a 40-45k seat stadium--all the fans that would have been deprived

Supposedly Boise going to 53k

Both games are outliers that we’re not guaranteed to ever see again. Does Memphis even get near a sellout without Ole Miss being 10 miles down the road? Do you really think a Texas Tech or a Kansas are going to draw more than a Cincinnati/UCF/Houston? 60,000??

I think like Loserville, at 42,000 with a horseshoe configuration that is expandable, is the sweet spot to start with. We only get 1-2 games a year with that many actual fans, it will create a demand for tickets, it will lead to fans not able to see the biggest game of the year to instead go to another game, and the stadium will still look great with 32,000 actual fans; which is the case for many of our games.

42,000 chairback seats with cup holders, and the ability to slowly add seats to the end zone at a relatively low cost.

(10-05-2021 10:34 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(10-05-2021 10:11 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  Most of the folks complaining about the LB are media members or school administrators.

Those folks experience the LB thru the press box, almost exclusively.

Updating the press box would go a long way toward perception.

When B-12 officials attend the LB game, they don't sit in the press box. They sit in the equally old & outdated suites. And once you price those renovations, they are still at the top of the stadium that is still owned by the city in a bad location. And the cost makes a big down payment on an OCS.

Correct. Sorry for not clarifying.

The press box and the boxes on the other side.

(10-05-2021 11:13 AM)Alcalde2 Wrote:  Wait... I thought Calkins said the reason we didnt get in was racism?

good point. sounds like someone is just grasping for straws and clicks

(10-05-2021 09:48 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:40 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Folks we avg 39K-40K attendance. half of them walkups. 45K is is more than big enough.

We'd sell a 45K joint out every week if we played TCU, Oklahoma State, ISU, and Baylor. All those schools travel, too.

Sure we would, except we can't even sell out OM & MSU, sadly.

(10-05-2021 10:59 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 09:04 PM)griffin Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:40 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Folks we avg 39K-40K attendance. half of them walkups. 45K is is more than big enough.

Physically impossible to sell 20K walk ups on game day.

Best they could do going full throttle w the windows they have open is maybe 3K - maybe and we do not sell 3K of walk ups on game day.

He was likely talking about single-game tix.
And that might be a bit over-stated, but I get the point.
Besides, true walk-ups don't need windows these days. You can buy them from your phone.

If they aren't season tickets they are walkups IMO. They can be any flavor of walkup, at the Tiger ticket office, Kroger, visitor sales, online or at the stadium. Even though season ticket sales seem to be never announced, I hear it varies from 12K to 22K based upon the schedule & prospects of the team.

(10-05-2021 11:49 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(10-05-2021 09:48 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:40 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Folks we avg 39K-40K attendance. half of them walkups. 45K is is more than big enough.

We'd sell a 45K joint out every week if we played TCU, Oklahoma State, ISU, and Baylor. All those schools travel, too.

Sure we would, except we can't even sell out OM & MSU, sadly.

LB is way too big.

(10-05-2021 11:13 AM)Alcalde2 Wrote:  Wait... I thought Calkins said the reason we didnt get in was racism?

Yep, that’s what I said earlier.

(10-05-2021 12:27 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(10-05-2021 11:13 AM)Alcalde2 Wrote:  Wait... I thought Calkins said the reason we didnt get in was racism?

Yep, that’s what I said earlier.

Actually, he did not say that.

Here is an exact quote from that column.
To be clear: I’m not suggesting the Big 12 is intentionally overlooking Memphis because it is racially diverse. Of course not. And there are good arguments to be made on behalf of all four schools being targeted by the Big 12.

Here is the link to the column: https://dailymemphian.com/section/sports...ealignment[size=x-large]