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RE: Calkins - talked deeply involved"- state of Liberty Bowl significant issue
There has never been an OCS built where the local municipal government didn't make some contribution. There are always utility considerations, code waivers, condemnations - some big, some small, surrounding infrastructure etc. where the municipal gov always participates and why shouldn't a local government contribute? A university event involving 30-50K visitors will increase revenues to the city directly & indirectly thru hotel stays, restaurants, other entertainment & related commercial development. The city makes money everytime our university plays FB or BB in the city. And I believe there will be many donors & alumni givers who will quit giving if the university agrees to fund LBS improvements-a rented municipal stadium. Amazing some here who continue to deny the reality of the need for our university to own its own facilities, to make a capital commitment to its athletics program. This had little to do with the condition of the LBS, as old as it is. It is location & ownership...... and apparently we'll do the city a favor to get them out of $300-400K losses annually.
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Do we need press box

A lot of ESPN broadcast are from their homes
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RE: Calkins - talked to people "deeply involved"- state of Liberty Bowl sign...
(10-04-2021 08:08 PM)tpaw09 Wrote:  
(10-04-2021 07:48 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
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(10-04-2021 05:43 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  .....

PEOPLE ON HERE SAYING MAKE IT 40K and we can expand it later LOL-----WE ALREADY HAVE A STADIUM THAT WE DON"T HAVE TO EXPAND LATER

LOL--yeah make it 40K and tell the thousands of TIGER fans that CAN'T AFFORD SEASON TICKETS --screw you we will expand 10 years from now so you POOR people can attend

Yeah, that's not how you do it. First off, it would need to be 45K. Not 40K. We have not had a crowd bigger than 45K except for 2 or 3 games over the last decade. I'm sorry, but that's the truth. So your "we would run out of seats for the poor" theory is not correct.

Secondly you build it to be expandable, but you don't expand it as soon as you get 90% capacity for all 6 home games. You wait a couple years to make sure the increase in demand is sustainable. THEN... you go up 5K max. Then you wait for the 90% capacity threshold happens again, and follow the same plan again.

I'm sure if this plan was explained to the BigXII leadership, they would all agree it would be a very responsible path.

And in the event that we do not get to the BigXII within the next decade, those expansions don't happen, and we will be in a much more appropriately sized stadium.

So you are saying 45K then expand 50K then expand 55K then expand ---each time we expand with inflation in building costs --$$$$MILLIONS MILLIONS MILLIONS$$$$$

I say stay at MEMPHIS MEMORIAL STADIUM but if we do build OCS --make it as big as MMS---because getting in a power 5 we will need the seats---and we DON'T ALIENATE 3/4 of our fanbase that can't afford season tickets that attend 2-3 games a year because we built a rinky dinky small stadium. I can't wait for the logic behind it when the school tells 3/4 of the fans----screw you --you either get a better paying job and purchase season tickets --or you just wait a couple years when we expand--because you the common fan wasn't important enough for us to make it big enough FOR ALL TIGER FANS TO BEGIN WITH-----If you don't like it spend your hard earned $$$elsewhere ----

If the stadium is not big enough for the average fan to attend when they have a couple extra bucks------then you haven't seen apathy yet

You are on a roll

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Folks we avg 39K-40K attendance. half of them walkups. 45K is is more than big enough.
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(10-04-2021 08:40 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Folks we avg 39K-40K attendance. half of them walkups. 45K is is more than big enough.

Without being in a power 5---and usually there are more there than announced ---and sometimes we come close to a sellout -----why buy into the cry of OLE PIZZ when they call us TIGER HIGH--why think small--HECK MAKE it 80K--

We need as many fans to attend as possible---don't limit the number----------BIG12 told BOISE to expand from 37k-----they are going to what 53 ?

Again I can just hear us telling BIG12----hey we want to make it harder for our fans to attend --thus we are going to limit the number that can attend
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RE: Calkins - talked to people "deeply involved"- state of Liberty Bowl sign...
(10-04-2021 07:48 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(10-04-2021 06:13 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(10-04-2021 05:43 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  .....

PEOPLE ON HERE SAYING MAKE IT 40K and we can expand it later LOL-----WE ALREADY HAVE A STADIUM THAT WE DON"T HAVE TO EXPAND LATER

LOL--yeah make it 40K and tell the thousands of TIGER fans that CAN'T AFFORD SEASON TICKETS --screw you we will expand 10 years from now so you POOR people can attend

Yeah, that's not how you do it. First off, it would need to be 45K. Not 40K. We have not had a crowd bigger than 45K except for 2 or 3 games over the last decade. I'm sorry, but that's the truth. So your "we would run out of seats for the poor" theory is not correct.

Secondly you build it to be expandable, but you don't expand it as soon as you get 90% capacity for all 6 home games. You wait a couple years to make sure the increase in demand is sustainable. THEN... you go up 5K max. Then you wait for the 90% capacity threshold happens again, and follow the same plan again.

I'm sure if this plan was explained to the BigXII leadership, they would all agree it would be a very responsible path.

And in the event that we do not get to the BigXII within the next decade, those expansions don't happen, and we will be in a much more appropriately sized stadium.

So you are saying 45K then expand 50K then expand 55K then expand ---each time we expand with inflation in building costs --$$$$MILLIONS MILLIONS MILLIONS$$$$$

I say stay at MEMPHIS MEMORIAL STADIUM but if we do build OCS --make it as big as MMS---because getting in a power 5 we will need the seats---and we DON'T ALIENATE 3/4 of our fanbase that can't afford season tickets that attend 2-3 games a year because we built a rinky dinky small stadium. I can't wait for the logic behind it when the school tells 3/4 of the fans----screw you --you either get a better paying job and purchase season tickets --or you just wait a couple years when we expand--because you the common fan wasn't important enough for us to make it big enough FOR ALL TIGER FANS TO BEGIN WITH-----If you don't like it spend your hard earned $$$elsewhere ----

If the stadium is not big enough for the average fan to attend when they have a couple extra bucks------then you haven't seen apathy yet

No one has talked about multiple expansions. We and most schools don't have an average attendance to justify needing a capacity the size of the "MMS". Only 37 schools averaged around 55k and higher attendance over a five-year period. We were a little over 37K. We haven't shown we need that amount of seats you're talking about. That 3/4 of fan base you're mentioning, during a run of winning, have had access to around 20k seats that are going unused.

What is your proof that there is enough of a walk-up crowd to need that amount of seats available? Seriously asking as it seems right now you are making an assumption and treating it as fact. Using that average we still would have 8k seats available in a 45k stadium. The 3/4 you are mentioning have yet to show they could fill that in the current stadium. And if they could we would see the numbers/averages higher than what they have been.
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(10-04-2021 08:40 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Folks we avg 39K-40K attendance. half of them walkups. 45K is is more than big enough.

Physically impossible to sell 20K walk ups on game day.

Best they could do going full throttle w the windows they have open is maybe 3K - maybe and we do not sell 3K of walk ups on game day.
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(10-04-2021 08:40 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Folks we avg 39K-40K attendance. half of them walkups. 45K is is more than big enough.

Of course it is. But even before that there's the question of funds. Where exactly is the money at? Then after that, where is the on campus land to build it?
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(10-04-2021 08:55 PM)Alanda Wrote:  
(10-04-2021 07:48 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(10-04-2021 06:13 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(10-04-2021 05:43 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  .....

PEOPLE ON HERE SAYING MAKE IT 40K and we can expand it later LOL-----WE ALREADY HAVE A STADIUM THAT WE DON"T HAVE TO EXPAND LATER

LOL--yeah make it 40K and tell the thousands of TIGER fans that CAN'T AFFORD SEASON TICKETS --screw you we will expand 10 years from now so you POOR people can attend

Yeah, that's not how you do it. First off, it would need to be 45K. Not 40K. We have not had a crowd bigger than 45K except for 2 or 3 games over the last decade. I'm sorry, but that's the truth. So your "we would run out of seats for the poor" theory is not correct.

Secondly you build it to be expandable, but you don't expand it as soon as you get 90% capacity for all 6 home games. You wait a couple years to make sure the increase in demand is sustainable. THEN... you go up 5K max. Then you wait for the 90% capacity threshold happens again, and follow the same plan again.

I'm sure if this plan was explained to the BigXII leadership, they would all agree it would be a very responsible path.

And in the event that we do not get to the BigXII within the next decade, those expansions don't happen, and we will be in a much more appropriately sized stadium.

So you are saying 45K then expand 50K then expand 55K then expand ---each time we expand with inflation in building costs --$$$$MILLIONS MILLIONS MILLIONS$$$$$

I say stay at MEMPHIS MEMORIAL STADIUM but if we do build OCS --make it as big as MMS---because getting in a power 5 we will need the seats---and we DON'T ALIENATE 3/4 of our fanbase that can't afford season tickets that attend 2-3 games a year because we built a rinky dinky small stadium. I can't wait for the logic behind it when the school tells 3/4 of the fans----screw you --you either get a better paying job and purchase season tickets --or you just wait a couple years when we expand--because you the common fan wasn't important enough for us to make it big enough FOR ALL TIGER FANS TO BEGIN WITH-----If you don't like it spend your hard earned $$$elsewhere ----

If the stadium is not big enough for the average fan to attend when they have a couple extra bucks------then you haven't seen apathy yet

No one has talked about multiple expansions. We and most schools don't have an average attendance to justify needing a capacity the size of the "MMS". Only 37 schools averaged around 55k and higher attendance over a five-year period. We were a little over 37K. We haven't shown we need that amount of seats you're talking about. That 3/4 of fan base you're mentioning, during a run of winning, have had access to around 20k seats that are going unused.

What is your proof that there is enough of a walk-up crowd to need that amount of seats available? Seriously asking as it seems right now you are making an assumption and treating it as fact. Using that average we still would have 8k seats available in a 45k stadium. The 3/4 you are mentioning have yet to show they could fill that in the current stadium. And if they could we would see the numbers/averages higher than what they have been.

You are correct, sir
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(10-04-2021 08:55 PM)Alanda Wrote:  
(10-04-2021 07:48 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(10-04-2021 06:13 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(10-04-2021 05:43 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  .....

PEOPLE ON HERE SAYING MAKE IT 40K and we can expand it later LOL-----WE ALREADY HAVE A STADIUM THAT WE DON"T HAVE TO EXPAND LATER

LOL--yeah make it 40K and tell the thousands of TIGER fans that CAN'T AFFORD SEASON TICKETS --screw you we will expand 10 years from now so you POOR people can attend

Yeah, that's not how you do it. First off, it would need to be 45K. Not 40K. We have not had a crowd bigger than 45K except for 2 or 3 games over the last decade. I'm sorry, but that's the truth. So your "we would run out of seats for the poor" theory is not correct.

Secondly you build it to be expandable, but you don't expand it as soon as you get 90% capacity for all 6 home games. You wait a couple years to make sure the increase in demand is sustainable. THEN... you go up 5K max. Then you wait for the 90% capacity threshold happens again, and follow the same plan again.

I'm sure if this plan was explained to the BigXII leadership, they would all agree it would be a very responsible path.

And in the event that we do not get to the BigXII within the next decade, those expansions don't happen, and we will be in a much more appropriately sized stadium.

So you are saying 45K then expand 50K then expand 55K then expand ---each time we expand with inflation in building costs --$$$$MILLIONS MILLIONS MILLIONS$$$$$

I say stay at MEMPHIS MEMORIAL STADIUM but if we do build OCS --make it as big as MMS---because getting in a power 5 we will need the seats---and we DON'T ALIENATE 3/4 of our fanbase that can't afford season tickets that attend 2-3 games a year because we built a rinky dinky small stadium. I can't wait for the logic behind it when the school tells 3/4 of the fans----screw you --you either get a better paying job and purchase season tickets --or you just wait a couple years when we expand--because you the common fan wasn't important enough for us to make it big enough FOR ALL TIGER FANS TO BEGIN WITH-----If you don't like it spend your hard earned $$$elsewhere ----

If the stadium is not big enough for the average fan to attend when they have a couple extra bucks------then you haven't seen apathy yet

No one has talked about multiple expansions. We and most schools don't have an average attendance to justify needing a capacity the size of the "MMS". Only 37 schools averaged around 55k and higher attendance over a five-year period. We were a little over 37K. We haven't shown we need that amount of seats you're talking about. That 3/4 of fan base you're mentioning, during a run of winning, have had access to around 20k seats that are going unused.

What is your proof that there is enough of a walk-up crowd to need that amount of seats available? Seriously asking as it seems right now you are making an assumption and treating it as fact. Using that average we still would have 8k seats available in a 45k stadium. The 3/4 you are mentioning have yet to show they could fill that in the current stadium. And if they could we would see the numbers/averages higher than what they have been.

DID YOU NOT READ THE POST THAT I RESPONDED 2---THAT SAID EXPAND IN A COUPLE YEARS---REALLY DID YOU RESPOND WITHOUT ACTUALLY READING WHAT I RESPONDED TO
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(10-04-2021 08:55 PM)Alanda Wrote:  
(10-04-2021 07:48 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(10-04-2021 06:13 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(10-04-2021 05:43 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  .....

PEOPLE ON HERE SAYING MAKE IT 40K and we can expand it later LOL-----WE ALREADY HAVE A STADIUM THAT WE DON"T HAVE TO EXPAND LATER

LOL--yeah make it 40K and tell the thousands of TIGER fans that CAN'T AFFORD SEASON TICKETS --screw you we will expand 10 years from now so you POOR people can attend

Yeah, that's not how you do it. First off, it would need to be 45K. Not 40K. We have not had a crowd bigger than 45K except for 2 or 3 games over the last decade. I'm sorry, but that's the truth. So your "we would run out of seats for the poor" theory is not correct.

Secondly you build it to be expandable, but you don't expand it as soon as you get 90% capacity for all 6 home games. You wait a couple years to make sure the increase in demand is sustainable. THEN... you go up 5K max. Then you wait for the 90% capacity threshold happens again, and follow the same plan again.

I'm sure if this plan was explained to the BigXII leadership, they would all agree it would be a very responsible path.

And in the event that we do not get to the BigXII within the next decade, those expansions don't happen, and we will be in a much more appropriately sized stadium.

So you are saying 45K then expand 50K then expand 55K then expand ---each time we expand with inflation in building costs --$$$$MILLIONS MILLIONS MILLIONS$$$$$

I say stay at MEMPHIS MEMORIAL STADIUM but if we do build OCS --make it as big as MMS---because getting in a power 5 we will need the seats---and we DON'T ALIENATE 3/4 of our fanbase that can't afford season tickets that attend 2-3 games a year because we built a rinky dinky small stadium. I can't wait for the logic behind it when the school tells 3/4 of the fans----screw you --you either get a better paying job and purchase season tickets --or you just wait a couple years when we expand--because you the common fan wasn't important enough for us to make it big enough FOR ALL TIGER FANS TO BEGIN WITH-----If you don't like it spend your hard earned $$$elsewhere ----

If the stadium is not big enough for the average fan to attend when they have a couple extra bucks------then you haven't seen apathy yet

No one has talked about multiple expansions. We and most schools don't have an average attendance to justify needing a capacity the size of the "MMS". Only 37 schools averaged around 55k and higher attendance over a five-year period. We were a little over 37K. We haven't shown we need that amount of seats you're talking about. That 3/4 of fan base you're mentioning, during a run of winning, have had access to around 20k seats that are going unused.

What is your proof that there is enough of a walk-up crowd to need that amount of seats available? Seriously asking as it seems right now you are making an assumption and treating it as fact. Using that average we still would have 8k seats available in a 45k stadium. The 3/4 you are mentioning have yet to show they could fill that in the current stadium. And if they could we would see the numbers/averages higher than what they have been.

Call it walk-ups or single game tickets purchased why limit the number of fans -----is it better for a sellout of 40-45K seat stadium ----or sometimes 50-55k+----in a 60k seat stadium-----we get in a power 5 with less cupcakes--we will need a stadium as big as MMS
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(10-04-2021 08:21 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  Do we need press box

A lot of ESPN broadcast are from their homes

I’ve wondered if much of the negative sentiment regarding the LB comes from press/media people sitting in a dump of a press box. I get the stadium being old has some problems but I wouldn’t call the general seating areas a dump.

Someone posted a while back about demolishing one half of the stadium at a time, rebuilding new on site. If possible, reusing existing foundations, water, and sewer for a little smaller stadium might be cost effective.
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(10-04-2021 09:31 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  DID YOU NOT READ THE POST THAT I RESPONDED 2---THAT SAID EXPAND IN A COUPLE YEARS---REALLY DID YOU RESPOND WITHOUT ACTUALLY READING WHAT I RESPONDED TO

I definitely misread that part of the post and admit being wrong.

(10-04-2021 09:37 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  Call it walk-ups or single game tickets purchased why limit the number of fans -----is it better for a sellout of 40-45K seat stadium ----or sometimes 50-55k+----in a 60k seat stadium-----we get in a power 5 with less cupcakes--we will need a stadium as big as MMS

But it's not a limit if you have a large amount going unused. We haven't shown we can potentially consistently sell out a 40-45k stadium. If you go to link I posted you'll see that a lot of Power 5 teams aren't drawing the attendance needed for a 60k stadium. And I know you mentioned Boise State being told by the Big 12 to expand their stadium. But I would not expect the number to be high. I posted this in your OCS thread. You can see the capacities of who were invited and who are already in the conference. Seven of them (ignoring Oklahoma and Texas) are around 50k and lower. And there are more than enough P5 schools with stadiums well under 60k to show we wouldn't need something that large.
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(10-04-2021 10:11 PM)Alanda Wrote:  
(10-04-2021 09:31 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  DID YOU NOT READ THE POST THAT I RESPONDED 2---THAT SAID EXPAND IN A COUPLE YEARS---REALLY DID YOU RESPOND WITHOUT ACTUALLY READING WHAT I RESPONDED TO

I definitely misread that part of the post and admit being wrong.

(10-04-2021 09:37 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  Call it walk-ups or single game tickets purchased why limit the number of fans -----is it better for a sellout of 40-45K seat stadium ----or sometimes 50-55k+----in a 60k seat stadium-----we get in a power 5 with less cupcakes--we will need a stadium as big as MMS

But it's not a limit if you have a large amount going unused. We haven't shown we can potentially consistently sell out a 40-45k stadium. If you go to link I posted you'll see that a lot of Power 5 teams aren't drawing the attendance needed for a 60k stadium. And I know you mentioned Boise State being told by the Big 12 to expand their stadium. But I would not expect the number to be high. I posted this in your OCS thread. You can see the capacities of who were invited and who are already in the conference. Seven of them (ignoring Oklahoma and Texas) are around 50k and lower. And there are more than enough P5 schools with stadiums well under 60k to show we wouldn't need something that large.

THANKS --that showed you have integrity -----unlike another person on here that is worse than FONZIE at saying he was wrong LOL

You made some valid points

My contention is that when/if we get in a so-called power 5 ---with less cupcakes then attendance will improve --think OLE PIZZ game 60,241 SMU 59,506----imagine if we only had a 40-45k seat stadium--all the fans that would have been deprived

Supposedly Boise going to 53k
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If they can do it right, I’m totally down with renovating the Liberty Bowl. TCU fixed up their stadium from a essentially a large HS venue to a nice place. It can be done.
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(10-04-2021 10:29 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(10-04-2021 10:11 PM)Alanda Wrote:  
(10-04-2021 09:31 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  DID YOU NOT READ THE POST THAT I RESPONDED 2---THAT SAID EXPAND IN A COUPLE YEARS---REALLY DID YOU RESPOND WITHOUT ACTUALLY READING WHAT I RESPONDED TO

I definitely misread that part of the post and admit being wrong.

(10-04-2021 09:37 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  Call it walk-ups or single game tickets purchased why limit the number of fans -----is it better for a sellout of 40-45K seat stadium ----or sometimes 50-55k+----in a 60k seat stadium-----we get in a power 5 with less cupcakes--we will need a stadium as big as MMS

But it's not a limit if you have a large amount going unused. We haven't shown we can potentially consistently sell out a 40-45k stadium. If you go to link I posted you'll see that a lot of Power 5 teams aren't drawing the attendance needed for a 60k stadium. And I know you mentioned Boise State being told by the Big 12 to expand their stadium. But I would not expect the number to be high. I posted this in your OCS thread. You can see the capacities of who were invited and who are already in the conference. Seven of them (ignoring Oklahoma and Texas) are around 50k and lower. And there are more than enough P5 schools with stadiums well under 60k to show we wouldn't need something that large.

THANKS --that showed you have integrity -----unlike another person on here that is worse than FONZIE at saying he was wrong LOL

You made some valid points

My contention is that when/if we get in a so-called power 5 ---with less cupcakes then attendance will improve --think OLE PIZZ game 60,241 SMU 59,506----imagine if we only had a 40-45k seat stadium--all the fans that would have been deprived

Supposedly Boise going to 53k

I wish I could feel the same way. Games like those Ole Miss and SMU ones are so few and far between that on their own they just don't justify a large stadium to me. When we played Ole Miss in 2019 the announced attendance was 44,107.

Let's flip the perspective around and look at Ole Miss and Miss. State. Both teams are in the SEC and both have 60k+ stadiums. In the article about the five-year attendance averages OM was 26th at 57,587.6 and MSU was 25th at 58,488. They consistently played better teams over that span and were short of their stadium capacities (64,038 and 61,337 respectively). For us to build new at/stick with something of the current size we would be expecting spikes in attendance or even better averages that are top 25-30 in the nation. I feel that is just too much to hope for and in turn build around.

I get what you saying in that regard, but I see that as overly committing to a random group of people that have shown a great amount of inconsistency in showing up. And I am not saying that as a knock on them as they all have their reasons why that I don't know about. But a business, in this case the stadium, can't be built around that level of inconsistency. Plus while I can't say this as fact, I would assume there would not be a goal of selling 100% of seats as season tickets. I don't see the walk-up crowd being denied from that angle.

My choice has been a 45k stadium potentially expandable to 50k if something new was built. I believe that would be appropriate for us based on history.

I found info about the Boise St expansion and this article goes back to 2012 stating their expansion plans and roughly the same amount you mention. Seems like that was always their goal, so maybe the Big 12 wanted to see how soon they would get there instead of telling them they have to expand to that amount?
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(10-04-2021 10:04 AM)jets521 Wrote:  
(10-04-2021 09:43 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  So there you have it --little left to the imagination - next move?

Rnew stadium in West Memphis, Arkansas

That’s helpful
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(10-04-2021 10:42 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  I thought we were told back in 2016 that we were in? More than 1 “insider” has posted that on here. Did the stadium fall into disrepair in the last 5 years?

Well it is 5 years older.
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(10-04-2021 10:29 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
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THANKS --that showed you have integrity -----unlike another person on here that is worse than FONZIE at saying he was wrong LOL

FONZIE? Man, I haven't heard that name in ages. I wonder how many youngins on this board even know who Fonzie is? 03-lmfao
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(10-04-2021 08:17 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  There has never been an OCS built where the local municipal government didn't make some contribution. There are always utility considerations, code waivers, condemnations - some big, some small, surrounding infrastructure etc. where the municipal gov always participates and why shouldn't a local government contribute? A university event involving 30-50K visitors will increase revenues to the city directly & indirectly thru hotel stays, restaurants, other entertainment & related commercial development. The city makes money everytime our university plays FB or BB in the city. And I believe there will be many donors & alumni givers who will quit giving if the university agrees to fund LBS improvements-a rented municipal stadium. Amazing some here who continue to deny the reality of the need for our university to own its own facilities, to make a capital commitment to its athletics program. This had little to do with the condition of the LBS, as old as it is. It is location & ownership...... and apparently we'll do the city a favor to get them out of $300-400K losses annually.

Well said!!
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