(10-04-2021 02:43 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Eigen Eagle is correct about SBC getting a little more Group of Five distribution of CFP money that year (about 2 mil split among all conf. teams). That figure changes every year and even includes bowl performance in the formula. However, the media contract and other monies are unclear with NO verification . The 990 tax info from each conference is the only other verified info and shows C-USA with more overall.

I just wish that info was posted somewhere else other than some guy on the Marshall board. I haven't been able to find it anywhere else. I'd just like to see it on a news site. Not saying it doesn't exist. Just that I can't find it.

(10-04-2021 02:43 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Eigen Eagle is correct about SBC getting a little more Group of Five distribution of CFP money that year (about 2 mil split among all conf. teams). That figure changes every year and even includes bowl performance in the formula. However, the media contract and other monies are unclear with NO verification . The 990 tax info from each conference is the only other verified info and shows C-USA with more overall.

100% WRONG. You might be able to argue the reporting is not uniform because there's no way Marshall received that much more money. The below came from 2018-2019 the last year for data like this on any site: Knight Commission on Intercollegiate Athletics

ABOUT THE DATA
The data in this online database are self-reported by institutions on NCAA financial reports and on reports required by the federal government (Equity in Athletics Disclosure Act and the Integrated Postsecondary Education Data System).

I'm fairly sure this is 2018 football (finishes 2018) and 2019 basketball(finishes 2019). The numbers match up more when you look at the schools that did not make a bowl game for CUSA. Its also the year ODU won in basketball


NCAA/CONFERENCE DISTRIBUTIONS, MEDIA RIGHTS, AND POST-SEASON FOOTBALL
Revenue received from the NCAA (including championships) and athletics conferences, media rights, and post-season football bowl games.

MARSHALL UNIVERSITY
$5,790,659

UNIVERSITY OF LOUISIANA AT LAFAYETTE
$3,668,831

APPALACHIAN STATE UNIVERSITY
$3,659,767

MIDDLE TENNESSEE STATE UNIVERSITY
$3,522,089

UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA AT BIRMINGHAM
$3,441,512

UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS
$3,424,713

FLORIDA INTERNATIONAL UNIVERSITY
$3,189,051

LOUISIANA TECH UNIVERSITY
$3,179,334

OLD DOMINION UNIVERSITY
$3,168,068

UNIVERSITY OF NORTH CAROLINA AT CHARLOTTE
$2,896,388

FLORIDA ATLANTIC UNIVERSITY
$2,816,308

GEORGIA STATE UNIVERSITY
$2,793,060

WESTERN KENTUCKY UNIVERSITY
$2,767,825

THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AT SAN ANTONIO
$2,727,540

THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AT EL PASO
$2,719,985

COASTAL CAROLINA UNIVERSITY
$2,710,414

ARKANSAS STATE UNIVERSITY
$2,679,408

UNIVERSITY OF SOUTHERN MISSISSIPPI
$2,650,963

GEORGIA SOUTHERN UNIVERSITY
$2,605,719

TROY UNIVERSITY
$2,222,426

UNIVERSITY OF LOUISIANA AT MONROE
$2,208,551

TEXAS STATE UNIVERSITY
$2,198,844

UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH ALABAMA
$2,143,351

Will point out the CUSA money include media/TV that had dropped to 200k each and the next year these figures should go up by 200k to 400k each school

(10-04-2021 06:27 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 02:43 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Eigen Eagle is correct about SBC getting a little more Group of Five distribution of CFP money that year (about 2 mil split among all conf. teams). That figure changes every year and even includes bowl performance in the formula. However, the media contract and other monies are unclear with NO verification . The 990 tax info from each conference is the only other verified info and shows C-USA with more overall.

I just wish that info was posted somewhere else other than some guy on the Marshall board. I haven't been able to find it anywhere else. I'd just like to see it on a news site. Not saying it doesn't exist. Just that I can't find it.

Dude. It's all public info just like all 990s. Go to guidestar or a site similar to that and look up the info yourself if you don't believe them.

(09-16-2021 11:54 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 08:52 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 08:47 PM)Noodles Wrote:  How is C-USA so much higher?

No idea, but that's pretty significant. In fact, I don't see any CUSA team paying $5-6 million to go to the SBC and make less money. Especially that much less.

Only thing I can imagine is more bowl payouts, more money from NCAA Tournaments in basketball?

Bowl payouts don't mean a darn thing. NCAA Units are the single largest driver of that. However, you need to keep in mind that NCAA units drop off over the years. There was a long period where CUSA was profiting off of Memphis old NCAA Units before those eventually fell off.

What you make in NCAA units right now is not what you'll make in units in 3 years.

Of course it does, especially considering how bad the bowl tie ins are for the Sunbelt.

The Sunbelt’s best team went to the New Orleans Bowl for a 825k payout

CUSA fourth best team went to the Independence bowl to play a P5 for 2.2 million payout

(10-04-2021 09:09 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 07:48 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 05:23 PM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 03:38 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 12:32 PM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  You forgot Georgia Southern. Or maybe you blocked that game from your mind due to the trauma. Bowl game tie ins for CUSA were established decades ago. Eventually things shift. We'll see in another 10 years if the CUSA can reclaim past glory or will the SBC continue its upward march.
One question regarding media deals, do they pay per team or just a lump sum and the conference figures put how to disperse it? It makes sense that the media deal is overall more for CUSA with 4 more teams. I think that changes with the new deal for the SBC, bit we'll see.

The per school total conference revenue (not just from media) is higher per school even with 14 members.

Bowl games? The conference has tie-ins with bowls that didn't exist decades ago in any capacity and has more primary bowl ties than the Sun Belt. In 2012 you only had two primary bowl tie-ins in the Belch, and Belch fans in Louisiana and Arkansas b****ed because 5 former members decided to leave--former members, who have been shut out of bowl season over the years with really good records for teams that were geographically closer.

That wasn't the question. At least for the CFP money the SBC gets more overall and per member. The media deal will also be more for SBC teams, the only advantage is the NCAA credits that will slowly phase out.

GS didn't even enter the SBC until 2014. So WE didn't have any bowls in 2012. So from 2013 to today the SBC went from 2 to 5. What has the CUSA done? It also doesn't change that most of the great bowls games were established when the CUSA looked more like the former AAC. And while some of those are in nice destinations, they aren't fan friendly. Hawaii? Bahamas? Sorry I like Orlando, New Orleans, and Mobile. Also 5he others are easy for fans to travel to for the day or weekend.
Again we'll see if the SBC can keep moving forward or will it drop back down. The CUSA has been on a steady decline and there is constant complaints from your members.

That’s just straight up false. It’s hard to believe these sunbelt idiots post these lies and actually believe it.

It’s a 6 year cycle announced in late 2013 running through 2020. Well after all the AAC formation and CUSA departures

The new bowl tie ins through 2025 still substantial better than the Sunbelt with many P5 opportunities

https://www.wlox.com/2020/05/29/conferen...gh-season/

Not really. A lot of rotation going on with the bowls you usually play in and then a long list of bowls that IF desperate could use a CUSA team.

So that desperation has led to CUSA to continually play in better bowls with better opponents. Got it.

(10-01-2021 08:00 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  How so? ESPN already owns the AAC and SBC contracts they would prefer to lure programs into those contracts than create another one.

The contracts are with the conferences not the schools.

Because there’s most definitely a clause that lets ESPN off the hook if they lose x number of y quality programs.

And one conference contains more overall quality than the other.

I will say, Southern Miss is a SB school, i.e. no basketball, only cares about baseball but fb is a plus for them, Gulf locale etc. Going to SB will definitely help their fb and attendance being able to play schools closer to them that they care more about (besides UAB and LaTech). Best wishes, sincerely!

I would be sorely disappointed if WKU went SB. Unless it was part of us going to AAC eventually and that’s how The Mouse wanted us to come into the fold, like a long-game.

Even then, CUSA East is more appealing than a depleted AAC about to lose Memphis (although it would be full of other CUSA 3.0 members so might not be THAT bad).

(10-05-2021 07:03 AM)BKTopper Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 08:00 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  How so? ESPN already owns the AAC and SBC contracts they would prefer to lure programs into those contracts than create another one.

The contracts are with the conferences not the schools.

Because there’s most definitely a clause that lets ESPN off the hook if they lose x number of y quality programs.

And one conference contains more overall quality than the other.

I will say, Southern Miss is a SB school, i.e. no basketball, only cares about baseball but fb is a plus for them, Gulf locale etc. Going to SB will definitely help their fb and attendance being able to play schools closer to them that they care more about (besides UAB and LaTech). Best wishes, sincerely!

I would be sorely disappointed if WKU went SB. Unless it was part of us going to AAC eventually and that’s how The Mouse wanted us to come into the fold, like a long-game.

Even then, CUSA East is more appealing than a depleted AAC about to lose Memphis (although it would be full of other CUSA 3.0 members so might not be THAT bad).

Southern Miss also has a $25 Million annual operating budget--second lowest in the conference. Not like that means much. It's the increased competition in recruiting that hurts them. In 1995 when CUSA first formed, Southern Miss was the most southeastern-based non-Power Conference school in the country--either them or East Carolina. Since they became a charter CUSA member the following additions of non-Power Conference schools south of the Mason Dixon and east of Texas were made to Division 1-A:

4 in Florida
2 in Georgia
3 in Alabama
1 in Tennessee
1 in Kentucky
1 in South Carolina
2 in North Carolina
2 in Virginia

https://orlandosentinel.com/sports/college

Here is a story dated Oct. 6th, 2021 showing each SBC school is only making $500,000--- NOT 1.2 million as some have said.

Quote--" The Sun Belt's media rights deal with ESPN reportedly pays each school about $500,000 annually."


What is the truth? SBC posters keep saying 1.2 mil.

Bad link. Maybe someone else can provide one.

Story title: Sun Belt Commissioner: We continue to monitor conference realignment moves but confident in future

Orlando Sentinel, Oct. 6th, author--Matt Murschel

Link

(10-07-2021 12:05 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  https://orlandosentinel.com/sports/college

Here is a story dated Oct. 6th, 2021 showing each SBC school is only making $500,000--- NOT 1.2 million as some have said.

Quote--" The Sun Belt's media rights deal with ESPN reportedly pays each school about $500,000 annually."


What is the truth? SBC posters keep saying 1.2 mil.

LMAO....here come the SBC posters with the "trust us bro" comments.

No proof at all, but they get pissed when you ask them to prove it.

BUMP. $500,000 NOT 1.2mil per article.

Burying the lead here, App St with a 78% winning percentage since joining the SBC.

(10-07-2021 05:19 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Burying the lead here, App St with a 78% winning percentage since joining the SBC.

Much easier when you play in the lowly SBC.

You would think you spent more weeks in the Top 25 with that kind of winning percentage, but guess the pollsters also see through it.

(10-07-2021 05:03 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  BUMP. $500,000 NOT 1.2mil per article.

The exact Quote:

Quote:The AAC reached a 12-year, $1 billion media rights deal with ESPN in 2019. It provides member schools with an annual $7 million payout. The Sun Belt’s media rights deal with ESPN reportedly pays each school about $500,000 annually.

(10-03-2021 01:11 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 11:13 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 03:03 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 02:28 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Below is the list of CUSA programs that have outperformed App since 2015:

Below is the list of App State Bowl Games opponents:

Ohio
Toledo
Toledo
Middle Tennessee
UAB
North Texas

No P5 or even AAC or MWC bowl games


Louisiana Tech Bowl Game opponents:

Miami
Illinois
Navy
SMU
Hawaii

Boom!

App State only has one win over a ranked Power 5 Conference school in the history of their program. Their only win over a Power 5 Conference school above .500 since their move to 1-A was in 2019 over UNC-Chapel Hill, who backed into a 7-6 record because a bowl win over..... Temple.

What's your alma mater? Since you felt the need to trash mine for some odd reason.

(10-07-2021 05:43 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(10-07-2021 05:19 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Burying the lead here, App St with a 78% winning percentage since joining the SBC.

Much easier when you play in the lowly SBC.

You would think you spent more weeks in the Top 25 with that kind of winning percentage, but guess the pollsters also see through it.

Our winning percentage against CUSA is even higher…

(10-07-2021 06:01 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(10-07-2021 05:43 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(10-07-2021 05:19 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Burying the lead here, App St with a 78% winning percentage since joining the SBC.

Much easier when you play in the lowly SBC.

You would think you spent more weeks in the Top 25 with that kind of winning percentage, but guess the pollsters also see through it.

Our winning percentage against CUSA is even higher…

Now do basketball.

(10-07-2021 05:43 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(10-07-2021 05:19 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Burying the lead here, App St with a 78% winning percentage since joining the SBC.

Much easier when you play in the lowly SBC.

You would think you spent more weeks in the Top 25 with that kind of winning percentage, but guess the pollsters also see through it.

There's a lot of truth there. AppSt isn't a bad program, obviously, but their repeated beating of chests about their winning percentage needs to be understood in context. Not only have they not beat any P5's of worth, they entered a Sun Belt Conference in 2014 with a mediocre FCS program (Texas St), two programs that had just started football from scratch (USA and Georgia State), three of the nations losingest FBS teams this century and beyond (NMSU, Idaho, and ULM), a Troy that was down, and only two solid FBS teams (ArkSt & ULL) and a solid GaSo that also moved up to FBS. Winning was easy for a football school like AppSt. They've maintained their winning ever since and that's an accomplishment but everyone knows they and GaSo had the easiest transitions to FBS merely because of extremely weak schedules. Their 163rd ranked Strength of Schedule this year is just an example.