(10-01-2021 01:20 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 09:57 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 09:27 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Someone is scared of a healthy debate or be called out on hyperbolic statements and half truths.

Perhaps you should pick a team to pull for instead of hiding in the shadows under a false veil of piety.

It's not a healthy debate because you're here to flame. Just be thankful you had the opportunity to host 1-A Marshall because 5 Conference USA schools made it possible for your school to be a Division 1-A team too.

Where is my flaming? Telling the truth is sensitive to some in today's world. CUSA will likely be picked, apart first by the AAC at the request of ESPN (and they'll take some great programs), then 1-3 remaining members will get an SBC invite which they'll take because they know if they don't others will.

App has never had the luxury of being given anything at each step of our journey, we were looked down upon because of our location (notice I didn't say market) which has proven to be a failed thesis.

There isn't a member of CUSA with 2021 hindsight that wouldn't go back to 2013 and add App over every SBC or FCS member that was added to CUSA.

And you still don't have a team, hide in the shadows...

You are definitely a troll but you’re still welcome here. Personally I would like the conference to lose a few members because I think it would actually benefit us in the long run.

(09-30-2021 10:22 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(09-30-2021 10:11 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  There's no doubt CUSA is by far the better conference. Yes, the SBC had a good year or two in football. These things are cyclical but as far as overall Conference strength, there's no comparison. There's a reason there are NO SBC teams on any conference's list to raid.

EXACTLY...if anyone thinks the SBC is actually better then ask why none of them are rumored to be poached by the AAC or MWC.

It won't surprise me a bit if we end up poaching them again if we need to or want to.

How much are those teams making on 'rumors'?

(09-30-2021 09:33 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(09-30-2021 09:04 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  What are you willing to bet at least one CUSA member announces they’ll join the SBC before 12/31? I’ll wager one month of no posting here starting 1/1 if you’re correct, and you can’t post on the SBC board for a month after the announcement if I’m right.

I've said I have no idea what So Miss will do and don't pretend to know what they will do. From an objective perspective, it wouldn't make sense or cents for them to move, but they might as it's a good geographical fit for them.

As for Marshall, we aren't leaving CUSA East to join the current Sun Belt. The only chance would be if SBC went to 14 and brought in Marshall/WKU/So Miss and either ODU/Charlotte/FAU but that's not going to happen, and I'm still not sure if we would go or not.

As for thinking the SBC is better, if you are better then why isn't the AAC poaching from the SBC instead of CUSA? The pecking order still exists...until it doesnt.

Good post, herd129. The sales job by Sunbelters on this CUSA board has truly been amazing. They've convinced many of our weaker minded CUSA fans that they actually have a better product and a better conference, which is laughable. If they are so much better, why aren't they being poached by the AAC?

(10-02-2021 01:13 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(09-30-2021 09:33 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(09-30-2021 09:04 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  What are you willing to bet at least one CUSA member announces they’ll join the SBC before 12/31? I’ll wager one month of no posting here starting 1/1 if you’re correct, and you can’t post on the SBC board for a month after the announcement if I’m right.

I've said I have no idea what So Miss will do and don't pretend to know what they will do. From an objective perspective, it wouldn't make sense or cents for them to move, but they might as it's a good geographical fit for them.

As for Marshall, we aren't leaving CUSA East to join the current Sun Belt. The only chance would be if SBC went to 14 and brought in Marshall/WKU/So Miss and either ODU/Charlotte/FAU but that's not going to happen, and I'm still not sure if we would go or not.

As for thinking the SBC is better, if you are better then why isn't the AAC poaching from the SBC instead of CUSA? The pecking order still exists...until it doesnt.

Good post, herd129. The sales job by Sunbelters on this CUSA board has truly been amazing. They've convinced many of our weaker minded CUSA fans that they actually have a better product and a better conference, which is laughable. If they are so much better, why aren't they being poached by the AAC?

I think it's a completely fair and reasonable question. I would love to hear their reasoning.

(09-30-2021 10:22 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(09-30-2021 10:11 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  There's no doubt CUSA is by far the better conference. Yes, the SBC had a good year or two in football. These things are cyclical but as far as overall Conference strength, there's no comparison. There's a reason there are NO SBC teams on any conference's list to raid.

EXACTLY...if anyone thinks the SBC is actually better then ask why none of them are rumored to be poached by the AAC or MWC.

It won't surprise me a bit if we end up poaching them again if we need to or want to.

I would argue that unless the Sunbelt schools want to spend the next 20-30 years in the Sunbelt, they need to cut out the "Sunbelt is best" rah, rah, bullshiiit, and be seriously looking for a stepping stone to the next level. And that stepping stone is right thru CUSA for most of them. If they have no desire to ever climb out of the FBS cellar, then they are well positioned to remain there with ULM forever.

(09-30-2021 11:28 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(09-30-2021 11:24 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 08:33 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  Here is my conclusion after reading over these numbers.....no one from CUSA will be paying $5-6 million exit fees to make substantially less money in the SBC. If anything, the CUSA will be raiding the SBC if we happen to lose teams during this re-alignment period.

Interesting. Why were specific schools paid more than other league members in certain years? Middle Tennessee in 2019 and Marshall in 2020, for example?

Because of NCAA Units and Bowl Payouts. I know that with NCAA Units the team who earned the units gets two shares. I think the bowl payouts are a little more tricky and it’s partly based off of ticket sales.

Either way, our top teams are making more than twice the amount of their top teams. These numbers tell you all you need to know in terms of the pecking order still being in place.

Not to mention we have better bowl tie ins.

Please read the BOLDED part above people. Some of you keep propagating the lie that the Sunbelt makes more money than CUSA. It's not true. Please get up to speed so those of us who actually know shiiit, can quit correcting you.

(10-02-2021 01:19 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 01:13 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(09-30-2021 09:33 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(09-30-2021 09:04 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  What are you willing to bet at least one CUSA member announces they’ll join the SBC before 12/31? I’ll wager one month of no posting here starting 1/1 if you’re correct, and you can’t post on the SBC board for a month after the announcement if I’m right.

I've said I have no idea what So Miss will do and don't pretend to know what they will do. From an objective perspective, it wouldn't make sense or cents for them to move, but they might as it's a good geographical fit for them.

As for Marshall, we aren't leaving CUSA East to join the current Sun Belt. The only chance would be if SBC went to 14 and brought in Marshall/WKU/So Miss and either ODU/Charlotte/FAU but that's not going to happen, and I'm still not sure if we would go or not.

As for thinking the SBC is better, if you are better then why isn't the AAC poaching from the SBC instead of CUSA? The pecking order still exists...until it doesnt.

Good post, herd129. The sales job by Sunbelters on this CUSA board has truly been amazing. They've convinced many of our weaker minded CUSA fans that they actually have a better product and a better conference, which is laughable. If they are so much better, why aren't they being poached by the AAC?

I think it's a completely fair and reasonable question. I would love to hear their reasoning.

While ESPN does have a major role in who of their conferences gets to be in which other of their conferences, it's also true that ESPN has no intentions of moving assets without acquiring new ones.

They won't move assets from the Belch to the AAC because they can't convince enough CUSA members to fill spots in the Belch that would be vacated. That's why most members are rumored for the AAC and why pretty much only Southern Miss has any real interest in the Slum Belch.

(10-01-2021 10:16 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 10:02 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 09:34 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 09:27 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Someone is scared of a healthy debate or be called out on hyperbolic statements and half truths.

Perhaps you should pick a team to pull for instead of hiding in the shadows under a false veil of piety.

That sounds like the SBC board. Anyone who disagrees that CUSA teams are looking to join the SBC are considered trolls and should be banned lol

There's just as good a chance that CUSA poaches the top SBC teams if it comes to that....history has a way of repeating its self.

As for ESPN, CUSA could have the same deal you do right now. We just prefer to play most of our homes games on Saturdays.

Yeah, the Slum Belch fans don't want fans of other schools or any non-Slum Belch affiliated college sports fan on their forum unless they're willing to kiss Belch ass in every comment. I don't post there anymore because being fake isn't good.

It’s just plain unAmerican, and their moderators (SBC and AAC) are too dumb to realize it. Differing opinions lead to different viewpoints and not one big unreasonable group think.

Just look at their boards (AAC and SBC). One big group think and it leads to irrational reasoning and thought because only the illogical points are promoted

I’m glad the CUSA moderators allow the SBC and AAC to post on the CUSA board. It leads to a much more rational and reasonable message board.

THAT'S why all the SBC'ers come over to this CUSA board. There's much more freedom for debate and exchange of ideas here. Censorship is never the answer. And the SBC visitors to this board only prove that even they get bored on their own board when you censor the visitors.

(10-01-2021 01:20 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 09:57 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 09:27 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Someone is scared of a healthy debate or be called out on hyperbolic statements and half truths.

Perhaps you should pick a team to pull for instead of hiding in the shadows under a false veil of piety.

It's not a healthy debate because you're here to flame. Just be thankful you had the opportunity to host 1-A Marshall because 5 Conference USA schools made it possible for your school to be a Division 1-A team too.

Where is my flaming? Telling the truth is sensitive to some in today's world. CUSA will likely be picked, apart first by the AAC at the request of ESPN (and they'll take some great programs), then 1-3 remaining members will get an SBC invite which they'll take because they know if they don't others will.

App has never had the luxury of being given anything at each step of our journey, we were looked down upon because of our location (notice I didn't say market) which has proven to be a failed thesis.

There isn't a member of CUSA with 2021 hindsight that wouldn't go back to 2013 and add App over every SBC or FCS member that was added to CUSA.

And you still don't have a team, hide in the shadows...

Who is this arrogant prick?

(10-02-2021 01:56 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 01:20 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 09:57 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 09:27 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Someone is scared of a healthy debate or be called out on hyperbolic statements and half truths.

Perhaps you should pick a team to pull for instead of hiding in the shadows under a false veil of piety.

It's not a healthy debate because you're here to flame. Just be thankful you had the opportunity to host 1-A Marshall because 5 Conference USA schools made it possible for your school to be a Division 1-A team too.

Where is my flaming? Telling the truth is sensitive to some in today's world. CUSA will likely be picked, apart first by the AAC at the request of ESPN (and they'll take some great programs), then 1-3 remaining members will get an SBC invite which they'll take because they know if they don't others will.

App has never had the luxury of being given anything at each step of our journey, we were looked down upon because of our location (notice I didn't say market) which has proven to be a failed thesis.

There isn't a member of CUSA with 2021 hindsight that wouldn't go back to 2013 and add App over every SBC or FCS member that was added to CUSA.

And you still don't have a team, hide in the shadows...

Who is this arrogant prick?

Ignore that App hole. Humility is not his trait.

Below is the list of CUSA programs that have outperformed App since 2015:

(10-02-2021 02:28 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Below is the list of CUSA programs that have outperformed App since 2015:

I know your world revolves around FB and that is the only sport you guys care anyway because well you ain't good at any other major sport. Back on topic Almost all programs outperformed App in Basketball and many of them in Baseball.

(10-02-2021 02:34 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 02:28 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Below is the list of CUSA programs that have outperformed App since 2015:

I know your world revolves around FB and that is the only sport you guys care anyway because well you ain't good at any other major sport. Back on topic Almost all programs outperformed App in Basketball and many of them in Baseball.

clt advises to ignore the appys.

(10-02-2021 02:37 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 02:34 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 02:28 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Below is the list of CUSA programs that have outperformed App since 2015:

I know your world revolves around FB and that is the only sport you guys care anyway because well you ain't good at any other major sport. Back on topic Almost all programs outperformed App in Basketball and many of them in Baseball.

clt advises to ignore the appys.

Trying but small ***** syndrome of these app fans is just too much to ignore for anybody.

(10-02-2021 02:40 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 02:37 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 02:34 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 02:28 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Below is the list of CUSA programs that have outperformed App since 2015:

I know your world revolves around FB and that is the only sport you guys care anyway because well you ain't good at any other major sport. Back on topic Almost all programs outperformed App in Basketball and many of them in Baseball.

clt advises to ignore the appys.

Trying but small ***** syndrome of these app fans is just too much to ignore for anybody.

clt says they would love to be odu

(10-01-2021 01:35 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 01:24 PM)BKTopper Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 01:22 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 01:19 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 01:07 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  So just based on CFP and NCAA Credit payouts the SBC teams are making more than $565,000 more each year than the CUSA teams.


That's not including media monies, or sponsorships, etc. Just payouts.

So how is CUSA getting more money overall?

Based on the earlier posted USM source on payouts:

https://twitter.com/wpmcgee/status/1438867836890460160


It shows USM got $1.3 million for CUSA distribution. Which is exactly what I posted above worked out to as well.

5 year average:

CUSA: $1,307,210 per team
SBC: $1,872,678 per team

I’m not familiar with CUSA distribution terms, but is it completely equal or can it vary based on the program?

The post you quoted is 100% wrong it actually shows S. Miss got 2.6 million from CUSA . You have to forgive S. Miss fans they either cant add or dont understand what conference revenue is. I believe if you added up the total in the below it would come out to with in a few dollars to what I posted above 2.6 million


Left off one other item
ConferenceDistributions of BowlGenerated Revenue$495,562
Input conference distributions of revenue generated by a post-season bowl to conference members.Note: Distributions for reimbursement of post-season bowlexpenses should be included in Category 19. Portions of distribution relating to media rights are reported in Category 11,NCAA distributions are reported in Category 12 and all otherconference distributions are reported in Category 13.

Big discrepancy there between the USM source and the 2.6m and yours is the number I’ve seen thrown around more.

Is all distribution equal or based on revenue the program makes the conference? Could USM be getting a smaller piece of the pie than FAU, Marshall, WKU etc.? I simply don’t know the answer or where to look for that raw data.

(10-02-2021 02:45 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 02:40 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 02:37 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 02:34 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 02:28 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Below is the list of CUSA programs that have outperformed App since 2015:

I know your world revolves around FB and that is the only sport you guys care anyway because well you ain't good at any other major sport. Back on topic Almost all programs outperformed App in Basketball and many of them in Baseball.

clt advises to ignore the appys.

Trying but small ***** syndrome of these app fans is just too much to ignore for anybody.

clt says they would love to be odu

Its sad that they have been playing FB for almost 100 years and they have to measure dicks with a bunch of decade old programs esp this saint guy i don't know what his deal is but ******* annoying like a pompous *****.

(10-02-2021 02:51 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 02:45 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 02:40 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 02:37 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 02:34 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  I know your world revolves around FB and that is the only sport you guys care anyway because well you ain't good at any other major sport. Back on topic Almost all programs outperformed App in Basketball and many of them in Baseball.

clt advises to ignore the appys.

Trying but small ***** syndrome of these app fans is just too much to ignore for anybody.

clt says they would love to be odu

Its sad that they have been playing FB for almost 100 years and they have to measure dicks with a bunch of decade old programs esp this saint guy i don't know what his deal is but ******* annoying like a pompous *****.

clt says hit ignore on any non cusa poster. Much better.

(10-02-2021 02:28 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Below is the list of CUSA programs that have outperformed App since 2015:

Below is the list of App State Bowl Games opponents:

Ohio
Toledo
Toledo
Middle Tennessee
UAB
North Texas

No P5 or even AAC or MWC bowl games


Louisiana Tech Bowl Game opponents:

Miami
Illinois
Navy
SMU
Hawaii

(10-02-2021 03:00 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 02:51 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 02:45 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 02:40 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 02:37 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt advises to ignore the appys.

Trying but small ***** syndrome of these app fans is just too much to ignore for anybody.

clt says they would love to be odu

Its sad that they have been playing FB for almost 100 years and they have to measure dicks with a bunch of decade old programs esp this saint guy i don't know what his deal is but ******* annoying like a pompous *****.

clt says hit ignore on any non cusa poster. Much better.

i like some posters from other conferences though they bring some good points to discuss and fresh perspective but these app guys are the worst. Always bragging about their FB which we all know takes one bad hire to go south. These mountain clowns are unbearable at times.