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RE: P5 Publics with Smallest State Support
(04-29-2021 03:50 PM)bill dazzle Wrote: (04-29-2021 06:47 AM)IHAVETRIED Wrote: (04-28-2021 05:57 PM)bill dazzle Wrote: (04-28-2021 05:04 PM)schmolik Wrote: (04-28-2021 11:59 AM)IHAVETRIED Wrote: Here is a full listing of all the states with P5 Public schools, in order by Population per P5 School, lowest to highest:
The States listed by Lowest Population per Public P5 University:
Kansas 1,470,432 (2,940,864 divided over 2 Public P5 schools)
Mississippi 1,481,958 (2,963,916 over 2 schools)
Iowa 1,596,204 (3,192,408 over 2 schools)
West Virginia 1,795,048 (1,795,048 over 1 school)
Nebraska 1,963,332 (1,963,332 over 1 school)
Oklahoma 1,981,758 (3,963,518 over 2 schools)
Oregon 2,120,751 (4,241,502 over 2 schools)
Kentucky 2,254,671 (4,509,342 over 2 schools)
Alabama 2,515,027 (5,030,054 over 2 schools)
South Carolina 2,562,357 (5,124,714 over 2 schools)
Arkansas 3,013,758 (3,013,758 over 1 school)
Utah 3,275,252 (3,275,252 over 1 school)
Indiana 3,395,142 (6,796,284 over 2 schools)
Arizona 3,579,462 (7,158,964 over 2 schools)
Washington 3,857,975 (7,715,950 over 2 schools)
Virginia 4,327,274 (8,654,548 over 2 schools)
Louisiana 4,661,468 (4,661,468 over 1 school)
Michigan 5,042,220 (10,084,440 over 2 schools)
North Carolina 5,226,978 (10,453,956 over 2 schools)
Georgia 5,362,637 (10,725,274 over 2 schools)
Minnesota 5,709,752 (5,709,752 over 1 school)
Colorado 5,782,168 (5,782,168 over 1 school)
Wisconsin 5,897,472 (5,897,472 over 1 school)
Missouri 6,160,280 (6,160,280 over 1 school)
Maryland 6,185,280 (6,185,280 over 1 school)
Tennessee 6,916,896 (6,916,896 over 1 school)
New Jersey 9,294,492 (9,294,492 over 1 school)
Texas 9,727,760 (29,183,280 over 3 schools)
Florida 10,785,264 (21,570,528 over 2 schools)
Ohio 11,808,859 (11,808,859 over 1 school)
Illinois 12,822,744 (12,822,744 over 1 school)
Pennsylvania 13,011,852 (13,011,852 over 1 school)
California 19,788,366 (39,576,732 over 2 schools)
Pittsburgh in PA so PA has 2 P5 public schools.
If we are discussing "fan support" potential, this is assuming that all public universities in the same state are "equal". In Texas, UT is certainly more popular than A&M and Tech (A&M is very popular, Tech lags). In Oklahoma, U of O is clearly the top dog. In other states, it might be more 50-50 (Arizona comes to mind).
Overall, Kansas is the #1 school in their state but in football we know they're pretty bad which makes Kansas State relevant (in men's basketball Wichita State might be more popular than KSU). I would think Iowa owns their state but it could be my Big Ten bias. I'd have to think Mississippi is more popular than Mississippi State but by how much I have no idea. What public university(universities) would have the smallest fan base based on population if you allot them "appropriately"?
Isn't the U of Pittsburgh a "hybrid" (part public and part private)?
Pitt considers themselves Private and does not release data as all the Publics do.
That's what I thought. Pitt receives some state funding to provide scholarships for in-state students — thus the "state related" designation. But it seems as much private as it does public. My brother-in-law's nephew is a UPitt student, who sees it as more private. Maybe it's subjective (to an extent)
Pitt and Penn State receive the same type of non-preferred state funding, both general and facility construction. Both are considered "state-related" instrumentality of the Commonwealth and can issue their own bonds..
That said, Penn State, being a land grant, has a longer tradition of being a public-type of university and closer affiliation with the state than Pitt, and PSU is more operationally like a state university with a substantially different board structure with more members appointed by the state or state organizations, and its employees have access to state employee programs unlike Pitt's.
Pitt and Penn State both play the public or private card depending on what is beneficial to them. Neither are obligated to state open records laws but both are subject to certain state reporting requirements.
Bottom line, neither are state owned, controlled, or operated which functionally defines private vs public institutions, although the state's purse strings can wield substantial influence. Both give in-state tuition rates which is how the Carnegie Classifications categorizes their binary choice of public or private universities which is why you see them listed as public in third party publications.
FYI, there is no such thing as a "UPitt" student. It is University of Pittsburgh or Pitt.
(This post was last modified: 05-05-2021 01:35 AM by CrazyPaco.)
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