(01-22-2021 12:10 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: Just because of your words, where you emphasize that white people voted for her, so how can she be racist.
Me suggesting that someone is probably not dark-on-white racist because a bunch of whites voted for her is
not at all the same thing as suggesting that dark-on-white is the "
only racism" (your phrase, not mine).
(01-22-2021 11:04 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: So now being against Jews is not racist. Good to know.
That is not what I wrote.
(01-22-2021 11:04 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: Being Hispanic is also not considered a race, so anti-Hispanic actions are not racist either.
I agree that it is not entirely technically clear whether being virulently anti-hispanic is a form of racism. But it is at least less complicated than anti-Semitism, as "Jewish" can refer to an ethnicity or religion. The same is not true of "hispanic".
(01-22-2021 11:04 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: The Wiesenthal Center rated this the 5th worst incident of antisemitism.
The Wiesenthal Center is
explicitly pro-Israel. Not clear to me how much their "pro-Israel" means they support the current government of Israel as compared to country of Israel. If they explicitly support the current Israeli government, then their evaluation of Tlaib's and Omar's criticisms of the current Israeli government might be clouding their evaluation of whether Tlaib's and Omar's criticisms were actually anti-Semitic or racist.
The distinction should be clear, as I know you support the country of the United States even if you are not a big fan of the current government in the United States. My point is that being outspoken against the current Israeli government doesn't make them any more anti-Semitic than you being outspoken against the current American government would make you a traitor.
(01-22-2021 11:04 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: Tell you what, I will continue to consider these antisemites as racists, and you can continue to consider them pure.
Just because I do not think it has been demonstrated that they are racists doesn't mean I think they are "pure". Also ... maybe use a word other than "pure" when discussing anti-Semitism?
(01-22-2021 11:04 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: Yes, I think most anti-Israeli sentiment is based on race/ethnicity/religion. It fits under the general umbrella of discrimination, like being gay or Hispanic or tranny.
Maybe you can explain to me how that is wrong.
Many people think the current Israeli government is engaging in human rights violations in the way is pushing settlements and in the treatment of non-Jews in Israel (primarily Muslims, but also Christians). About 10 years ago at our old church, they put on a program about the
persecution of Christians in Israel.
(01-22-2021 11:04 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: I think Israel has been one of the few allies we have in the Middle East, and now the Biden Admin wants to embrace Iran over them. Trump was making some headway toward Middle East peace, and now I think that is to be undone. But Biden is nice to handicapped journalists - when he notices.
You are, of course, entitled to your opinions. I don't really want to sidetrack this thread as I think we are already getting too far afoot (and I am curious what you think of Boebert, Greene, and Cawthorn). But I doubt you would find much factual support for the idea that Biden wants to "embrace Iran over [Israel]" or that Trump made "headway toward Middle East peace."