(01-25-2021 03:15 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 03:01 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 01:47 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 11:46 AM)mrbig Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 11:24 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Slut has a racist undertone? What race?

Slut is sexist and mysoginistic. I wasn't trying to say it was racist. There are certainly other words with racist undertones, I was just trying to make the point that "traitor", "liar", and "thief" do not have any kind of racist or sexist undertones. They are race and gender neutral.

It is just grand to watch older dudes defending the use of "slut" toward a woman.

Yep... watching the wagons get circled up in defense of calling women sluts is always something to behold on the Parliament.

Are there NO women who fit the definition of a "slut"? It sounds like you and Big think referring to ANY woman as a slut is wrong. How about the woman who comes up to your car in certain areas of town and asks if you want a date? How about the women who will come to your hotel room by appointment?

Those are prostitutes. Not the same thing.

Ok, I guess my vocabulary is not as precise as yours. What is the difference between a prostitute and a slut?

Also, are there ANY women who fit the definition of a slut?

definition

(01-25-2021 01:47 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 11:46 AM)mrbig Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 11:24 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 10:44 AM)mrbig Wrote:  Traitor, liar, and thief are words that do not have racist/sexist (etc.) undertones, overtones, or roots. Slut does.

Slut has a racist undertone? What race?

Slut is sexist and mysoginistic. I wasn't trying to say it was racist. There are certainly other words with racist undertones, I was just trying to make the point that "traitor", "liar", and "thief" do not have any kind of racist or sexist undertones. They are race and gender neutral.

It is just grand to watch older dudes defending the use of "slut" toward a woman.

Yep... watching the wagons get circled up in defense of calling women sluts is always something to behold on the Parliament.

I think it is more in defense of being allowed to call a spade a spade.

(01-25-2021 03:17 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 03:15 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 03:01 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 01:47 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 11:46 AM)mrbig Wrote:  Slut is sexist and mysoginistic. I wasn't trying to say it was racist. There are certainly other words with racist undertones, I was just trying to make the point that "traitor", "liar", and "thief" do not have any kind of racist or sexist undertones. They are race and gender neutral.

It is just grand to watch older dudes defending the use of "slut" toward a woman.

Yep... watching the wagons get circled up in defense of calling women sluts is always something to behold on the Parliament.

Are there NO women who fit the definition of a "slut"? It sounds like you and Big think referring to ANY woman as a slut is wrong. How about the woman who comes up to your car in certain areas of town and asks if you want a date? How about the women who will come to your hotel room by appointment?

Those are prostitutes. Not the same thing.

Ok, I guess my vocabulary is not as precise as yours. What is the difference between a prostitute and a slut?

Also, are there ANY women who fit the definition of a slut?

definition

My take:

A prostitute is somebody who exchanges sexual favors for money.

A slut is a derogatory term that has traditionally been used to describe women who are deemed to have a lot of sexual partners.

The term "slut" is always derogatory and often not applied fairly... men who have many sexual partners are typically admired.

I wouldn't refer to ANY woman as a slut personally. I know women who were quite sexually active in their younger days however I find no reason to demean them.

(01-25-2021 03:56 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 03:17 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 03:15 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 03:01 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 01:47 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  Yep... watching the wagons get circled up in defense of calling women sluts is always something to behold on the Parliament.

Are there NO women who fit the definition of a "slut"? It sounds like you and Big think referring to ANY woman as a slut is wrong. How about the woman who comes up to your car in certain areas of town and asks if you want a date? How about the women who will come to your hotel room by appointment?

Those are prostitutes. Not the same thing.

Ok, I guess my vocabulary is not as precise as yours. What is the difference between a prostitute and a slut?

Also, are there ANY women who fit the definition of a slut?

definition

My take:

A prostitute is somebody who exchanges sexual favors for money.

A slut is a derogatory term that has traditionally been used to describe women who are deemed to have a lot of sexual partners.

The term "slut" is always derogatory and often not applied fairly... men who have many sexual partners are typically admired.

I wouldn't refer to ANY woman as a slut personally. I know women who were quite sexually active in their younger days however I find no reason to demean them.

So what term is appropriate for a woman that screws anything in sight?

(01-25-2021 03:56 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 03:17 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 03:15 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 03:01 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 01:47 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  Yep... watching the wagons get circled up in defense of calling women sluts is always something to behold on the Parliament.

Are there NO women who fit the definition of a "slut"? It sounds like you and Big think referring to ANY woman as a slut is wrong. How about the woman who comes up to your car in certain areas of town and asks if you want a date? How about the women who will come to your hotel room by appointment?

Those are prostitutes. Not the same thing.

Ok, I guess my vocabulary is not as precise as yours. What is the difference between a prostitute and a slut?

Also, are there ANY women who fit the definition of a slut?

definition

My take:

A prostitute is somebody who exchanges sexual favors for money.

A slut is a derogatory term that has traditionally been used to describe women who are deemed to have a lot of sexual partners.

The term "slut" is always derogatory and often not applied fairly... men who have many sexual partners are typically admired.

I wouldn't refer to ANY woman as a slut personally. I know women who were quite sexually active in their younger days however I find no reason to demean them.

The main difference between a slut and a prostitute is a prostitute gets paid? I presume most prostitutes "are deemed to have a lot of sexual partners".

One thing that it seems that you, like a lot on the left, has missed is that women and men are different. Like other things that are different, different terms apply. Some attributes that are found to be admirable in men (manliness) may not be as admirable in women, and vice-versa. You see these differences as "unfair". Well, sure, I thought it unfair when I was subject to the military draft and women were not. But not every difference is unfair.

I don't think this word is that important. I don't remember the last time I used it - perhaps never. Actually, I would say that nearly every time I have heard the word used, it was used by a woman to describe another woman. And far be it from me to restrict the choice of a woman's words. I'll leave that to you.

Funny how word usage and meaning change. I just watched a History Channel piece on Burr/Hamilton. The reason for the duel - one used the word "despicable" in referring to the other. Apparently it had a much deeper meaning 300 years ago. But then again, I guess it was "unfair" that only men could duel, so glad that has been corrected.

To me, this whole debate has you and Big acting like kittens chasing a laser pointer.

I know women who have had a lot sexual partners in the past, and I certainly would not refer to any of them as a slut. But also, to the best of my knowledge, none of them engaged in sex for material or professional gain.

BTW, before somebody goes there, I would be in favor of the legalization of prostitution. After, it is not up to us to tell women what they can and cannot do with their bodies.

(01-25-2021 03:56 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 03:17 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 03:15 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 03:01 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 01:47 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  Yep... watching the wagons get circled up in defense of calling women sluts is always something to behold on the Parliament.

Are there NO women who fit the definition of a "slut"? It sounds like you and Big think referring to ANY woman as a slut is wrong. How about the woman who comes up to your car in certain areas of town and asks if you want a date? How about the women who will come to your hotel room by appointment?

Those are prostitutes. Not the same thing.

Ok, I guess my vocabulary is not as precise as yours. What is the difference between a prostitute and a slut?

Also, are there ANY women who fit the definition of a slut?

definition

My take:

A prostitute is somebody who exchanges sexual favors for money.

A slut is a derogatory term that has traditionally been used to describe women who are deemed to have a lot of sexual partners.

The term "slut" is always derogatory and often not applied fairly... men who have many sexual partners are typically admired.

I wouldn't refer to ANY woman as a slut personally. I know women who were quite sexually active in their younger days however I find no reason to demean them.

Who admires men who have many sexual partners? You suggested it so what might I infer from that? What does 'applied fairly' mean?

In the Big Bang Theory, Sheldon hypothesized that Penny had 31 sexual partners. Sheldon's girlfriend Amy asks Penny in the same conversation if, in light of her sex partners, she considers herself a "slut", Penny responds uncertainly, "No". My opinion would differ from hers, but I don't take my cultural leads from Hollywood.

Having an affair (aka multiple sexual encounters) with someone twice your age and currently married to advance your political career might be considered slutty behavior. Kamala was appointed by Willie Brown to two lucrative positions - unemployment insurance appeals board and California medical assistance commission. So maybe she's not a slut?

(01-25-2021 06:56 PM)MerseyOwl Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 03:56 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 03:17 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 03:15 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 03:01 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Are there NO women who fit the definition of a "slut"? It sounds like you and Big think referring to ANY woman as a slut is wrong. How about the woman who comes up to your car in certain areas of town and asks if you want a date? How about the women who will come to your hotel room by appointment?

Those are prostitutes. Not the same thing.

Ok, I guess my vocabulary is not as precise as yours. What is the difference between a prostitute and a slut?

Also, are there ANY women who fit the definition of a slut?

definition

My take:

A prostitute is somebody who exchanges sexual favors for money.

A slut is a derogatory term that has traditionally been used to describe women who are deemed to have a lot of sexual partners.

The term "slut" is always derogatory and often not applied fairly... men who have many sexual partners are typically admired.

I wouldn't refer to ANY woman as a slut personally. I know women who were quite sexually active in their younger days however I find no reason to demean them.

Who admires men who have many sexual partners? You suggested it so what might I infer from that? What does 'applied fairly' mean?

Ummmm... lots and lots and lots of people unless high school and college campuses have drastically changed in the decades since I was in that world. I'm not saying EVERYBODY celebrates it. I'm sure the Campus Crusaders were not that impressed with guys were were reknown for sexual conquests. There was (and probably still is if I had to guess) a complete double standard though. A guy who was known to have sex with multiple women was considered (by many... not everybody, mind you) to be a stud. A girl with an identical history was considered to be a slut.

Quote:In the Big Bang Theory, Sheldon hypothesized that Penny had 31 sexual partners. Sheldon's girlfriend Amy asks Penny in the same conversation if, in light of her sex partners, she considers herself a "slut", Penny responds uncertainly, "No". My opinion would differ from hers, but I don't take my cultural leads from Hollywood.

I don't think many women these days would like to be labelled with the derogatory connotation of the term "slut" regardless of their number of sexual partners. What is your cut-off for historical sexual partners before a woman is a "slut" in your eyes? Clearly it's < 31.

Quote:Having an affair (aka multiple sexual encounters) with someone twice your age and currently married to advance your political career might be considered slutty behavior. Kamala was appointed by Willie Brown to two lucrative positions - unemployment insurance appeals board and California medical assistance commission. So maybe she's not a slut?

Certainly "multiple sexual encounters" doesn't make somebody a slut. Unless all girls who are in committed long-term relationships and have sex on the reg with their partners are "sluts". I don't know what the deal was with Kamala and Willie Brown and I doubt you do either. She is not the first woman to have a relationship with a powerful older man. As for him being married I am under the impression that he was long-term separated from his wife and basically was known to operate as a single person for a long time prior to his relationship with Harris.

(01-25-2021 05:55 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 03:56 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 03:17 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 03:15 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 03:01 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Are there NO women who fit the definition of a "slut"? It sounds like you and Big think referring to ANY woman as a slut is wrong. How about the woman who comes up to your car in certain areas of town and asks if you want a date? How about the women who will come to your hotel room by appointment?

Those are prostitutes. Not the same thing.

Ok, I guess my vocabulary is not as precise as yours. What is the difference between a prostitute and a slut?

Also, are there ANY women who fit the definition of a slut?

definition

My take:

A prostitute is somebody who exchanges sexual favors for money.

A slut is a derogatory term that has traditionally been used to describe women who are deemed to have a lot of sexual partners.

The term "slut" is always derogatory and often not applied fairly... men who have many sexual partners are typically admired.

I wouldn't refer to ANY woman as a slut personally. I know women who were quite sexually active in their younger days however I find no reason to demean them.

So what term is appropriate for a woman that screws anything in sight?

I've never met (unfortunately???) a woman that screws anything in sight. I assume that you're asking me what term is appropriate for a woman with a history of multiple sexual partners. I'm not sure... I'm not sure if there really needs to be a term for this. I think one's sexual history is one's own business and doesn't typically need to be addressed. I guess "promiscuous"? "Sexually free"? "Sex-positive"?

Do you think #'s is suggesting that Kamala screws anything in sight when he calls here Kamala the Slut?

(01-25-2021 09:46 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 06:56 PM)MerseyOwl Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 03:56 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 03:17 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  [quote='Rice93' pid='17240948' dateline='1611605718']

Those are prostitutes. Not the same thing.

Ok, I guess my vocabulary is not as precise as yours. What is the difference between a prostitute and a slut?

Also, are there ANY women who fit the definition of a slut?

definition

My take:

A prostitute is somebody who exchanges sexual favors for money.

A slut is a derogatory term that has traditionally been used to describe women who are deemed to have a lot of sexual partners.

The term "slut" is always derogatory and often not applied fairly... men who have many sexual partners are typically admired.

I wouldn't refer to ANY woman as a slut personally. I know women who were quite sexually active in their younger days however I find no reason to demean them.

Who admires men who have many sexual partners? You suggested it so what might I infer from that? What does 'applied fairly' mean?

Ummmm... lots and lots and lots of people unless high school and college campuses have drastically changed in the decades since I was in that world. I'm not saying EVERYBODY celebrates it. I'm sure the Campus Crusaders were not that impressed with guys were were reknown for sexual conquests. There was (and probably still is if I had to guess) a complete double standard though. A guy who was known to have sex with multiple women was considered (by many... not everybody, mind you) to be a stud. A girl with an identical history was considered to be a slut.

Well it takes two to tango whether in Paris France or Paris Texas. I think you'd find those 'studs' aren't hammering virgin pine. I had a fraternity brother who fancied himself as a 'lady's man'. I had to tell him to go for a VD check as the 'lady' he had relations with had recently given the 'clap' to two other frat brothers. (I declined her offer.) It's not hard to push on an open door.

Quote:In the Big Bang Theory, Sheldon hypothesized that Penny had 31 sexual partners. Sheldon's girlfriend Amy asks Penny in the same conversation if, in light of her sex partners, she considers herself a "slut", Penny responds uncertainly, "No". My opinion would differ from hers, but I don't take my cultural leads from Hollywood.

I don't think many women these days would like to be labelled with the derogatory connotation of the term "slut" regardless of their number of sexual partners. What is your cut-off for historical sexual partners before a woman is a "slut" in your eyes? Clearly it's < 31.

I can't imagine that any woman at any time would 'like' to be labelled a 'slut'. And no I don't have a defined cut-off. Counting sexual partners on your fingers is one thing, counting on your fingers and toes is another, but needing a calculator? There is also the time frame consideration. Having a handful of sexual partners over a number of years isn't really the same as having a innumerous sexual partners in a week or a month or a year is it?

Quote:Having an affair (aka multiple sexual encounters) with someone twice your age and currently married to advance your political career might be considered slutty behavior. Kamala was appointed by Willie Brown to two lucrative positions - unemployment insurance appeals board and California medical assistance commission. So maybe she's not a slut?

Certainly "multiple sexual encounters" doesn't make somebody a slut. Unless all girls who are in committed long-term relationships and have sex on the reg with their partners are "sluts". I don't know what the deal was with Kamala and Willie Brown and I doubt you do either. She is not the first woman to have a relationship with a powerful older man. As for him being married I am under the impression that he was long-term separated from his wife and basically was known to operate as a single person for a long time prior to his relationship with Harris.

No I would never regard any woman (or man) in a committed long-term relationship who regularly engages in sex with their partners as a slut. Willie & Kam's affair is a matter of public record (read the papers if need be). I'm not sure their sexual tryst constituted a committed long-term (romantic) relationship? Willie may have considered himself 'single', but that doesn't change the fact that it was an adulterous relationship. You're right Kamala wasn't the first woman to have a 'relationship' with a powerful older man and no doubt she won't be the last one either. None-the-less the fact is Kamala, imho, whored herself out for political and financial gain.

Again, maybe she isn't a slut? Thanks for correcting me.

It appears 93 does not think any man should label any woman a slut. I wonder if he is as adamant in restricting the speech of women. Usually when I hear the word slut, it is a female talking of another female, often one who is trying to steal or has stolen their husband/boyfriend. Would 93 also try to hush and correct them from using that word? Or is it just men?

I would like a clarification, 93.

(01-26-2021 08:51 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  It appears 93 does not think any man should label any woman a slut. I wonder if he is as adamant in restricting the speech of women. Usually when I hear the word slut, it is a female talking of another female, often one who is trying to steal or has stolen their husband/boyfriend. Would 93 also try to hush and correct them from using that word? Or is it just men?

I would like a clarification, 93.

I love the idea that advocating against using a derogatory term is being branded as "restricting speech."

Are all parent's that tell their kids "if they don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all," restricting their kids' speech?

This is akin to Josh Hawley crying out about being muzzled on the front page of the NY Post.

(01-26-2021 08:51 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  It appears 93 does not think any man should label any woman a slut. I wonder if he is as adamant in restricting the speech of women. Usually when I hear the word slut, it is a female talking of another female, often one who is trying to steal or has stolen their husband/boyfriend. Would 93 also try to hush and correct them from using that word? Or is it just men?

I would like a clarification, 93.

Like Ta-Nehisi Coates says... words don't have meaning without context.

Similar to the question often brought up on this forum as to why black people are "allowed" to use the n-word.

https://youtu.be/QO15S3WC9pg

(01-26-2021 09:03 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Are all parent's that tell their kids "if they don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all," restricting their kids' speech?

Your point it taken, but one is tempted to observe that it has probably been couple of generations since this wisdom was a common bit of parental advice. Certainly most non-adults today (including, perhaps especially, those who are chronologically of legal age) would take severe umbrage at the notion of self-restraint in denouncing, condemning, and canceling others.

(01-26-2021 09:03 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(01-26-2021 08:51 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  It appears 93 does not think any man should label any woman a slut. I wonder if he is as adamant in restricting the speech of women. Usually when I hear the word slut, it is a female talking of another female, often one who is trying to steal or has stolen their husband/boyfriend. Would 93 also try to hush and correct them from using that word? Or is it just men?

I would like a clarification, 93.

I love the idea that advocating against using a derogatory term is being branded as "restricting speech."

Are all parent's that tell their kids "if they don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all," restricting their kids' speech?

This is akin to Josh Hawley crying out about being muzzled on the front page of the NY Post.

I love the idea that telling somebody they cannot use certain words is not restricting speech.

If the left was only as adamant about restricting other derogatory terms. But there seems to be a certain...selectivity.

In general for myself, I try not to hurt people's feelings. So I would never call anybody a slut to their face. But it is a proper english word, just like "homosexual" or "conspiracy theorist" or "auditor" or "racist", with a defined meaning, and if the shoe fits....,

We just had a conversation here on the term "calling a spade a spade" Apparently the left thinks "let's call a spade a a spade, unless it might be offensive to any member of a minority group as defined under US law".

Now we have three kittens chasing the laser pointer. Jolly.

Cleaning up the formatting with MerseyOwl:

Quote:Well it takes two to tango whether in Paris France or Paris Texas. I think you'd find those 'studs' aren't hammering virgin pine. I had a fraternity brother who fancied himself as a 'lady's man'. I had to tell him to go for a VD check as the 'lady' he had relations with had recently given the 'clap' to two other frat brothers. (I declined her offer.) It's not hard to push on an open door.

Ummmm... ok. You've taken this debate off the tracks. I'm not arguing for or against this point. I'm simply stating the (irrefutable IMO) fact that the general perception of a man with multiple sexual partners is more positive than the general perception of a woman with the same.

Quote:I can't imagine that any woman at any time would 'like' to be labelled a 'slut'. And no I don't have a defined cut-off. Counting sexual partners on your fingers is one thing, counting on your fingers and toes is another, but needing a calculator? There is also the time frame consideration. Having a handful of sexual partners over a number of years isn't really the same as having a innumerous sexual partners in a week or a month or a year is it?

Unless you are one of her sexual partners/a family member/a close friend why in the world do you care what a woman does behind closed doors? Who cares? You say you don't have a defined cut-off but you were able to label that fictional character a slut based on 31 and likely not much additional context...

Quote:No I would never regard any woman (or man) in a committed long-term relationship who regularly engages in sex with their partners as a slut. Willie & Kam's affair is a matter of public record (read the papers if need be). I'm not sure their sexual tryst constituted a committed long-term (romantic) relationship? Willie may have considered himself 'single', but that doesn't change the fact that it was an adulterous relationship. You're right Kamala wasn't the first woman to have a 'relationship' with a powerful older man and no doubt she won't be the last one either. None-the-less the fact is Kamala, imho, whored herself out for political and financial gain.

You are surprisingly omniscient regarding what was going on in Kamala's head back then. Are you open to the idea that she worked with a powerful man with a magnetic personality and fell for him? And it was Willie Brown who gave her those perks without any plotting from Kamala? I am open to that idea. I am also open to the idea with Kamala plotted this move and used sex to advance her career. I simply don't know so I'm not ready to condemn her like the right wingers on this board. When you say it is a fact that she "whored herself out" then we clearly have different definitions of facts.

Quote:Again, maybe she isn't a slut? Thanks for correcting me.]

I gave my definition of a slut earlier. What is your definition? How does Kamala Harris fall into the category of "slut" based on your definition?

(01-26-2021 09:16 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(01-26-2021 09:03 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Are all parent's that tell their kids "if they don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all," restricting their kids' speech?

Your point it taken, but one is tempted to observe that it has probably been couple of generations since this wisdom was a common bit of parental advice. Certainly most non-adults today (including, perhaps especially, those who are chronologically of legal age) would take severe umbrage at the notion of self-restraint in denouncing, condemning, and canceling others.

Was(is) this not good advice? And make no mistake, it was(is) advice, not a prohibition.

Kind of like the Golden Rule, many of these old, outdated (according to some), rules of thumb for living a good life have a lot of truth in them.

Here's another that Lad may find unneeded and outmoded: Don't criticize somebody until you have walked a mile in their shoes.

Oh, the horror!!!!

(01-26-2021 09:20 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-26-2021 09:03 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(01-26-2021 08:51 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  It appears 93 does not think any man should label any woman a slut. I wonder if he is as adamant in restricting the speech of women. Usually when I hear the word slut, it is a female talking of another female, often one who is trying to steal or has stolen their husband/boyfriend. Would 93 also try to hush and correct them from using that word? Or is it just men?

I would like a clarification, 93.

I love the idea that advocating against using a derogatory term is being branded as "restricting speech."

Are all parent's that tell their kids "if they don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all," restricting their kids' speech?

This is akin to Josh Hawley crying out about being muzzled on the front page of the NY Post.

I love the idea that telling somebody they cannot use certain words is not restricting speech.

If the left was only as adamant about restricting other derogatory terms. But there seems to be a certain...selectivity.

In general for myself, I try not to hurt people's feelings. So I would never call anybody a slut to their face. But it is a proper english word, just like "homosexual" or "conspiracy theorist" or "auditor" or "racist", with a defined meaning, and if the shoe fits....,

We just had a conversation here on the term "calling a spade a spade" Apparently the left thinks "let's call a spade a a spade, unless it might be offensive to any member of a minority group as defined under US law".

Now we have three kittens chasing the laser pointer. Jolly.

It isn't restricting speech - what power does anyone have on this message board that keeps you from saying these things? Someone giving you their opinion about the quality of your speech is a far cry from restricting it.

Now, if a moderator came through and blocked your posts, that would be another story. But even in that instance, there are some rules about posting on here that we implicitly agree to regarding decorum and civility (or maybe even explicitly, I can't remember what boxes are checked when you sign up here). So has a mod come here and restricted what you have been posting?

Again, it's akin to a sitting Senator screaming about being muzzled through a major news publication. Par for the course, though. Conservatives have become excellent victims in the last few years, and scream victim at the drop of a hat when people tell them that they're acting poorly, speaking rudely, or in any way hold them accountable for their actions. Conservatives have forgotten that freedom of speech does not mean freedom from criticism or consequences.

(01-26-2021 09:03 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Are all parent's that tell their kids "if they don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all," restricting their kids' speech?

Actually they're paraphrasing Thumper who is quoting his Mom.

And yes they are, to a degree, restricting their kids' speech. The question I always have is motivation. I believe Thumper's Mom wants him to be polite and not offend anyone.

The problem, as I see it, is when the truth offends someone. Myself being rated higher on 'Thinking' rather than 'Feeling' (Meyers Briggs modality / polarity / whatever), I have a strong preference to tell the (unvarnished) truth.

(01-26-2021 09:20 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-26-2021 09:03 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(01-26-2021 08:51 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  It appears 93 does not think any man should label any woman a slut. I wonder if he is as adamant in restricting the speech of women. Usually when I hear the word slut, it is a female talking of another female, often one who is trying to steal or has stolen their husband/boyfriend. Would 93 also try to hush and correct them from using that word? Or is it just men?

I would like a clarification, 93.

I love the idea that advocating against using a derogatory term is being branded as "restricting speech."

Are all parent's that tell their kids "if they don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all," restricting their kids' speech?

This is akin to Josh Hawley crying out about being muzzled on the front page of the NY Post.

I love the idea that telling somebody they cannot use certain words is not restricting speech.


If the left was only as adamant about restricting other derogatory terms. But there seems to be a certain...selectivity.

What terms would you like the left to restrict? Which derogatory terms does the left champion?

Quote:In general for myself, I try not to hurt people's feelings. So I would never call anybody a slut to their face. But it is a proper english word, just like "homosexual" or "conspiracy theorist" or "auditor" or "racist", with a defined meaning, and if the shoe fits....,

Well... I think it's clear based on this conversation that "slut" doesn't have a strongly defined meaning.

Quote:We just had a conversation here on the term "calling a spade a spade" Apparently the left thinks "let's call a spade a a spade, unless it might be offensive to any member of a minority group as defined under US law".

What does this have to do with left versus right? It's basic human decency.

Quote:Now we have three kittens chasing the laser pointer. Jolly.

Honestly, I find this comment annoying when I am trying in earnest to engage in a discussion.

(01-26-2021 09:10 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-26-2021 08:51 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  It appears 93 does not think any man should label any woman a slut. I wonder if he is as adamant in restricting the speech of women. Usually when I hear the word slut, it is a female talking of another female, often one who is trying to steal or has stolen their husband/boyfriend. Would 93 also try to hush and correct them from using that word? Or is it just men?

I would like a clarification, 93.

Like Ta-Nehisi Coates says... words don't have meaning without context.

Similar to the question often brought up on this forum as to why black people are "allowed" to use the n-word.

https://youtu.be/QO15S3WC9pg

I watched the whole thing. The message I get is that you think it is OK for women to use the S-word, but men cannot, similar to way he depicted usage of the word "*****" in the clip. Is that correct?

Lots of black men use the words "ho" and *****". Is this OK? Should they be shushed?