(01-26-2023 01:22 PM)umbluegray Wrote: AZ State Senate meeting regarding 2022 election irregularities in Maricopa County
The video shows actual examples of ballots and registrations that violate state standards.
no shite ... now, what are they doing to fix it ... oh yeah, not a fk'n thingy within their control ... whatever the ones trying to fight back in submission will be dismissed by their guvs ... they have their electorate by the cods....
hence, "gubernatorial races were more important" @>270EVs #muhMail-it-Inns
Get rid of all Dominion Machines, heck any electronic machines for votes...paper ballots, in-person on day of election only, hand-counting and verification in front of close and fully transparent monitoring by public, Valid citizen ID and any absentee ballots signature matched and include valid ID attached to it permanently (else, vote in person). Would be a start.
(01-26-2023 01:22 PM)umbluegray Wrote: AZ State Senate meeting regarding 2022 election irregularities in Maricopa County
The video shows actual examples of ballots and registrations that violate state standards.
no shite ... now, what are they doing to fix it ... oh yeah, not a fk'n thingy within their control ... whatever the ones trying to fight back in submission will be dismissed by their guvs ... they have their electorate by the cods....
hence, "gubernatorial races were more important" @>270EVs #muhMail-it-Inns
Get rid of all Dominion Machines, heck any electronic machines for votes...paper ballots, in-person on day of election only, hand-counting and verification in front of close and fully transparent monitoring by public, Valid citizen ID and any absentee ballots signature matched and include valid ID attached to it permanently (else, vote in person). Would be a start.
Hand counts are less accurate and hand counting would take significantly more time (especially if there was NO early voting), and you're already bitching about not having results on election night.
(01-26-2023 01:22 PM)umbluegray Wrote: AZ State Senate meeting regarding 2022 election irregularities in Maricopa County
The video shows actual examples of ballots and registrations that violate state standards.
no shite ... now, what are they doing to fix it ... oh yeah, not a fk'n thingy within their control ... whatever the ones trying to fight back in submission will be dismissed by their guvs ... they have their electorate by the cods....
hence, "gubernatorial races were more important" @>270EVs #muhMail-it-Inns
Get rid of all Dominion Machines, heck any electronic machines for votes...paper ballots, in-person on day of election only, hand-counting and verification in front of close and fully transparent monitoring by public, Valid citizen ID and any absentee ballots signature matched and include valid ID attached to it permanently (else, vote in person). Would be a start.
I'm not arguing solutions anymore ... I'm sick of the obvious ... it's currently a 10A issue ... and the fkbags are picking them off one-by-one....
hence, "gubernatorial races were more important" @>270EVs #muhMail-it-Inns
(01-26-2023 01:22 PM)umbluegray Wrote: AZ State Senate meeting regarding 2022 election irregularities in Maricopa County
The video shows actual examples of ballots and registrations that violate state standards.
no shite ... now, what are they doing to fix it ... oh yeah, not a fk'n thingy within their control ... whatever the ones trying to fight back in submission will be dismissed by their guvs ... they have their electorate by the cods....
hence, "gubernatorial races were more important" @>270EVs #muhMail-it-Inns
Get rid of all Dominion Machines, heck any electronic machines for votes...paper ballots, in-person on day of election only, hand-counting and verification in front of close and fully transparent monitoring by public, Valid citizen ID and any absentee ballots signature matched and include valid ID attached to it permanently (else, vote in person). Would be a start.
Hand counts are less accurate and hand counting would take significantly more time (especially if there was NO early voting), and you're already bitching about not having results on election night.
Great, start?
Its not the people who show up at the polling places on election day that are causing the delays in counting. Its the mystery meat ballots that are mailed in that (inexplicably) nobody seems to even know how many ballots exist (well---they dont know that number until they have a really good idea of exactly how many votes democrats will need to win). The soultion is simple. Mail in balloting ends the weekend prior to election day. If its not received by that weekend---it doesnt count. You can still cast a ballot on election day or you can turn it in IN PERSON at a polling place on election day---but the drop boxes and "Mail In" opportunities have passed if the ballot is not received by the end of the weekend prior to the election. That gives election officials plenty of time to get a full count of the ballots and to begin verifying them and counting them prior to election day. Voters will have had a month or more to mail in their ballot---if they missed the deadline---thats on them---they can still vote in person.
(This post was last modified: 01-26-2023 03:23 PM by Attackcoog.)
(01-26-2023 01:22 PM)umbluegray Wrote: AZ State Senate meeting regarding 2022 election irregularities in Maricopa County
The video shows actual examples of ballots and registrations that violate state standards.
no shite ... now, what are they doing to fix it ... oh yeah, not a fk'n thingy within their control ... whatever the ones trying to fight back in submission will be dismissed by their guvs ... they have their electorate by the cods....
hence, "gubernatorial races were more important" @>270EVs #muhMail-it-Inns
Get rid of all Dominion Machines, heck any electronic machines for votes...paper ballots, in-person on day of election only, hand-counting and verification in front of close and fully transparent monitoring by public, Valid citizen ID and any absentee ballots signature matched and include valid ID attached to it permanently (else, vote in person). Would be a start.
Hand counts are less accurate and hand counting would take significantly more time (especially if there was NO early voting), and you're already bitching about not having results on election night.
Great, start?
Its not the people who show up at the polling places on election day that are causing the delays in counting. Its the mystery meat ballots that are mailed in that (inexplicably) nobody seems to even know how many ballots exist (well---they dont know that number until they have a really good idea of exactly how many votes democrats will need to win).
And those ballots being mailed in en masse which don't meet standards are being counted rather than rejected.
(01-26-2023 01:22 PM)umbluegray Wrote: AZ State Senate meeting regarding 2022 election irregularities in Maricopa County
The video shows actual examples of ballots and registrations that violate state standards.
no shite ... now, what are they doing to fix it ... oh yeah, not a fk'n thingy within their control ... whatever the ones trying to fight back in submission will be dismissed by their guvs ... they have their electorate by the cods....
hence, "gubernatorial races were more important" @>270EVs #muhMail-it-Inns
Get rid of all Dominion Machines, heck any electronic machines for votes...paper ballots, in-person on day of election only, hand-counting and verification in front of close and fully transparent monitoring by public, Valid citizen ID and any absentee ballots signature matched and include valid ID attached to it permanently (else, vote in person). Would be a start.
You obviously don't remember that clown show in Minnesota that got the comedian elected. Paper ballots wtih pencil and pen are stupid in this day and age. It was like Carnack the Magnificent holding the ballot to his ear to divine who they intended to vote for.
(01-26-2023 01:22 PM)umbluegray Wrote: AZ State Senate meeting regarding 2022 election irregularities in Maricopa County
The video shows actual examples of ballots and registrations that violate state standards.
no shite ... now, what are they doing to fix it ... oh yeah, not a fk'n thingy within their control ... whatever the ones trying to fight back in submission will be dismissed by their guvs ... they have their electorate by the cods....
hence, "gubernatorial races were more important" @>270EVs #muhMail-it-Inns
Get rid of all Dominion Machines, heck any electronic machines for votes...paper ballots, in-person on day of election only, hand-counting and verification in front of close and fully transparent monitoring by public, Valid citizen ID and any absentee ballots signature matched and include valid ID attached to it permanently (else, vote in person). Would be a start.
You obviously don't remember that clown show in Minnesota that got the comedian elected. Paper ballots wtih pencil and pen are stupid in this day and age. It was like Carnack the Magnificent holding the ballot to his ear to divine who they intended to vote for.
Paper trail, but electronic machines.
Don’t most places have a two track system? The vote is logged in storage media which is electronically tallied, but the voter receives a paper ballot receipt that is deposited in a ballot box.
I think, but am not sure, that the deposited ballots are given a run-through and matched to not just a precinct tally, but even a machine level tally in Texas.
That system allows easy early voting balances as well.
For the record I oppose drop off and mail in since that too easily thwarts ID laws that I think are a good idea.
(01-26-2023 01:22 PM)umbluegray Wrote: AZ State Senate meeting regarding 2022 election irregularities in Maricopa County
The video shows actual examples of ballots and registrations that violate state standards.
no shite ... now, what are they doing to fix it ... oh yeah, not a fk'n thingy within their control ... whatever the ones trying to fight back in submission will be dismissed by their guvs ... they have their electorate by the cods....
hence, "gubernatorial races were more important" @>270EVs #muhMail-it-Inns
Get rid of all Dominion Machines, heck any electronic machines for votes...paper ballots, in-person on day of election only, hand-counting and verification in front of close and fully transparent monitoring by public, Valid citizen ID and any absentee ballots signature matched and include valid ID attached to it permanently (else, vote in person). Would be a start.
Hand counts are less accurate and hand counting would take significantly more time (especially if there was NO early voting), and you're already bitching about not having results on election night.
Great, start?
Its not the people who show up at the polling places on election day that are causing the delays in counting. Its the mystery meat ballots that are mailed in that (inexplicably) nobody seems to even know how many ballots exist (well---they dont know that number until they have a really good idea of exactly how many votes democrats will need to win). The soultion is simple. Mail in balloting ends the weekend prior to election day. If its not received by that weekend---it doesnt count. You can still cast a ballot on election day or you can turn it in IN PERSON at a polling place on election day---but the drop boxes and "Mail In" opportunities have passed if the ballot is not received by the end of the weekend prior to the election. That gives election officials plenty of time to get a full count of the ballots and to begin verifying them and counting them prior to election day. Voters will have had a month or more to mail in their ballot---if they missed the deadline---thats on them---they can still vote in person.
This is such bull**** dude, do better.
They know how many ballots exist. What you're likely referring to are places trying to give updates of remaining ballots on election day. In case you weren't aware, election officials are pretty busy on election day...so giving EXACT counts are time consuming and are like throwing darts with thousands of ballots being processed. Especially in a county the size of Maricopa, the second largest voting district in the country.
But yes, any state or county can put in cutoff dates earlier if they desire, based on what the voters want. But I hate to break this to you, a good majority want mail-in voting and they want it just about right up to election day.
And are you SERIOUSLY clinging to this complete and utter nonsense that only democrats would try to cheat? Can you ******* read anything? Almost every case of fraud from the 2020 election was a republican casting a vote on behalf of a dead relative.
(01-26-2023 01:22 PM)umbluegray Wrote: AZ State Senate meeting regarding 2022 election irregularities in Maricopa County
The video shows actual examples of ballots and registrations that violate state standards.
no shite ... now, what are they doing to fix it ... oh yeah, not a fk'n thingy within their control ... whatever the ones trying to fight back in submission will be dismissed by their guvs ... they have their electorate by the cods....
hence, "gubernatorial races were more important" @>270EVs #muhMail-it-Inns
Get rid of all Dominion Machines, heck any electronic machines for votes...paper ballots, in-person on day of election only, hand-counting and verification in front of close and fully transparent monitoring by public, Valid citizen ID and any absentee ballots signature matched and include valid ID attached to it permanently (else, vote in person). Would be a start.
Hand counts are less accurate and hand counting would take significantly more time (especially if there was NO early voting), and you're already bitching about not having results on election night.
Great, start?
Its not the people who show up at the polling places on election day that are causing the delays in counting. Its the mystery meat ballots that are mailed in that (inexplicably) nobody seems to even know how many ballots exist (well---they dont know that number until they have a really good idea of exactly how many votes democrats will need to win). The soultion is simple. Mail in balloting ends the weekend prior to election day. If its not received by that weekend---it doesnt count. You can still cast a ballot on election day or you can turn it in IN PERSON at a polling place on election day---but the drop boxes and "Mail In" opportunities have passed if the ballot is not received by the end of the weekend prior to the election. That gives election officials plenty of time to get a full count of the ballots and to begin verifying them and counting them prior to election day. Voters will have had a month or more to mail in their ballot---if they missed the deadline---thats on them---they can still vote in person.
Counting mail in ballots before Election Day is illegal in many states.
(01-26-2023 01:27 PM)stinkfist Wrote: no shite ... now, what are they doing to fix it ... oh yeah, not a fk'n thingy within their control ... whatever the ones trying to fight back in submission will be dismissed by their guvs ... they have their electorate by the cods....
hence, "gubernatorial races were more important" @>270EVs #muhMail-it-Inns
Get rid of all Dominion Machines, heck any electronic machines for votes...paper ballots, in-person on day of election only, hand-counting and verification in front of close and fully transparent monitoring by public, Valid citizen ID and any absentee ballots signature matched and include valid ID attached to it permanently (else, vote in person). Would be a start.
Hand counts are less accurate and hand counting would take significantly more time (especially if there was NO early voting), and you're already bitching about not having results on election night.
Great, start?
Its not the people who show up at the polling places on election day that are causing the delays in counting. Its the mystery meat ballots that are mailed in that (inexplicably) nobody seems to even know how many ballots exist (well---they dont know that number until they have a really good idea of exactly how many votes democrats will need to win). The soultion is simple. Mail in balloting ends the weekend prior to election day. If its not received by that weekend---it doesnt count. You can still cast a ballot on election day or you can turn it in IN PERSON at a polling place on election day---but the drop boxes and "Mail In" opportunities have passed if the ballot is not received by the end of the weekend prior to the election. That gives election officials plenty of time to get a full count of the ballots and to begin verifying them and counting them prior to election day. Voters will have had a month or more to mail in their ballot---if they missed the deadline---thats on them---they can still vote in person.
Counting mail in ballots before Election Day is illegal in many states.
Opening and curing the ballots before election day is illegal in PA. But the democrats did it anyway.
(01-26-2023 01:44 PM)GoodOwl Wrote: Get rid of all Dominion Machines, heck any electronic machines for votes...paper ballots, in-person on day of election only, hand-counting and verification in front of close and fully transparent monitoring by public, Valid citizen ID and any absentee ballots signature matched and include valid ID attached to it permanently (else, vote in person). Would be a start.
Hand counts are less accurate and hand counting would take significantly more time (especially if there was NO early voting), and you're already bitching about not having results on election night.
Great, start?
Its not the people who show up at the polling places on election day that are causing the delays in counting. Its the mystery meat ballots that are mailed in that (inexplicably) nobody seems to even know how many ballots exist (well---they dont know that number until they have a really good idea of exactly how many votes democrats will need to win). The soultion is simple. Mail in balloting ends the weekend prior to election day. If its not received by that weekend---it doesnt count. You can still cast a ballot on election day or you can turn it in IN PERSON at a polling place on election day---but the drop boxes and "Mail In" opportunities have passed if the ballot is not received by the end of the weekend prior to the election. That gives election officials plenty of time to get a full count of the ballots and to begin verifying them and counting them prior to election day. Voters will have had a month or more to mail in their ballot---if they missed the deadline---thats on them---they can still vote in person.
Counting mail in ballots before Election Day is illegal in many states.
Opening and curing the ballots before election day is illegal in PA. But the democrats did it anyway.
(01-26-2023 01:27 PM)stinkfist Wrote: no shite ... now, what are they doing to fix it ... oh yeah, not a fk'n thingy within their control ... whatever the ones trying to fight back in submission will be dismissed by their guvs ... they have their electorate by the cods....
hence, "gubernatorial races were more important" @>270EVs #muhMail-it-Inns
Get rid of all Dominion Machines, heck any electronic machines for votes...paper ballots, in-person on day of election only, hand-counting and verification in front of close and fully transparent monitoring by public, Valid citizen ID and any absentee ballots signature matched and include valid ID attached to it permanently (else, vote in person). Would be a start.
Hand counts are less accurate and hand counting would take significantly more time (especially if there was NO early voting), and you're already bitching about not having results on election night.
Great, start?
Its not the people who show up at the polling places on election day that are causing the delays in counting. Its the mystery meat ballots that are mailed in that (inexplicably) nobody seems to even know how many ballots exist (well---they dont know that number until they have a really good idea of exactly how many votes democrats will need to win). The soultion is simple. Mail in balloting ends the weekend prior to election day. If its not received by that weekend---it doesnt count. You can still cast a ballot on election day or you can turn it in IN PERSON at a polling place on election day---but the drop boxes and "Mail In" opportunities have passed if the ballot is not received by the end of the weekend prior to the election. That gives election officials plenty of time to get a full count of the ballots and to begin verifying them and counting them prior to election day. Voters will have had a month or more to mail in their ballot---if they missed the deadline---thats on them---they can still vote in person.
Counting mail in ballots before Election Day is illegal in many states.
Counting VOTES is illegal. Counting ballots should be done.
(01-26-2023 04:19 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote: Counting mail in ballots from people who are quite able to go to a polling place on election day should be illegal in all states.
What is wrong with absentee, in-person early voting, in your opinion?
If I can make up mind before election day, and can show up early to do so, what exactly is so horrific about that that it should be 'illegal'?
(01-26-2023 04:19 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote: Counting mail in ballots from people who are quite able to go to a polling place on election day should be illegal in all states.
What is wrong with absentee, in-person early voting, in your opinion?
If I can make up mind before election day, and can show up early to do so, what exactly is so horrific about that that it should be 'illegal'?
There's absolutely nothing wrong with absentee or in-person early voting. I never said there was. This bullcrap mass mail in voting leaves WAY too much room for cheating.
(01-26-2023 01:50 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: Hand counts are less accurate and hand counting would take significantly more time (especially if there was NO early voting), and you're already bitching about not having results on election night.
Great, start?
Its not the people who show up at the polling places on election day that are causing the delays in counting. Its the mystery meat ballots that are mailed in that (inexplicably) nobody seems to even know how many ballots exist (well---they dont know that number until they have a really good idea of exactly how many votes democrats will need to win). The soultion is simple. Mail in balloting ends the weekend prior to election day. If its not received by that weekend---it doesnt count. You can still cast a ballot on election day or you can turn it in IN PERSON at a polling place on election day---but the drop boxes and "Mail In" opportunities have passed if the ballot is not received by the end of the weekend prior to the election. That gives election officials plenty of time to get a full count of the ballots and to begin verifying them and counting them prior to election day. Voters will have had a month or more to mail in their ballot---if they missed the deadline---thats on them---they can still vote in person.
Counting mail in ballots before Election Day is illegal in many states.
Opening and curing the ballots before election day is illegal in PA. But the democrats did it anyway.
Can you link, please.
I can. It would be like the 80th time I've had to do it. If you were really up on this sh*t, you wouldnt need a link. Surely you, a man of the law, knew that PA democrats got busted curing mail in ballots whereas republicans didnt.
(01-26-2023 01:44 PM)GoodOwl Wrote: Get rid of all Dominion Machines, heck any electronic machines for votes...paper ballots, in-person on day of election only, hand-counting and verification in front of close and fully transparent monitoring by public, Valid citizen ID and any absentee ballots signature matched and include valid ID attached to it permanently (else, vote in person). Would be a start.
Hand counts are less accurate and hand counting would take significantly more time (especially if there was NO early voting), and you're already bitching about not having results on election night.
Great, start?
Its not the people who show up at the polling places on election day that are causing the delays in counting. Its the mystery meat ballots that are mailed in that (inexplicably) nobody seems to even know how many ballots exist (well---they dont know that number until they have a really good idea of exactly how many votes democrats will need to win). The soultion is simple. Mail in balloting ends the weekend prior to election day. If its not received by that weekend---it doesnt count. You can still cast a ballot on election day or you can turn it in IN PERSON at a polling place on election day---but the drop boxes and "Mail In" opportunities have passed if the ballot is not received by the end of the weekend prior to the election. That gives election officials plenty of time to get a full count of the ballots and to begin verifying them and counting them prior to election day. Voters will have had a month or more to mail in their ballot---if they missed the deadline---thats on them---they can still vote in person.
Counting mail in ballots before Election Day is illegal in many states.
Counting VOTES is illegal. Counting ballots should be done.
But that would mean everyone would know how many mail in ballots were outstanding, and you couldnt just keep dumping ballots into the system to get a desired outcome.
(01-26-2023 01:50 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: Hand counts are less accurate and hand counting would take significantly more time (especially if there was NO early voting), and you're already bitching about not having results on election night.
Great, start?
Its not the people who show up at the polling places on election day that are causing the delays in counting. Its the mystery meat ballots that are mailed in that (inexplicably) nobody seems to even know how many ballots exist (well---they dont know that number until they have a really good idea of exactly how many votes democrats will need to win). The soultion is simple. Mail in balloting ends the weekend prior to election day. If its not received by that weekend---it doesnt count. You can still cast a ballot on election day or you can turn it in IN PERSON at a polling place on election day---but the drop boxes and "Mail In" opportunities have passed if the ballot is not received by the end of the weekend prior to the election. That gives election officials plenty of time to get a full count of the ballots and to begin verifying them and counting them prior to election day. Voters will have had a month or more to mail in their ballot---if they missed the deadline---thats on them---they can still vote in person.
Counting mail in ballots before Election Day is illegal in many states.
Counting VOTES is illegal. Counting ballots should be done.
But that would mean everyone would know how many mail in ballots were outstanding, and you couldnt just keep dumping ballots into the system to get a desired outcome.
(01-26-2023 04:19 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote: Counting mail in ballots from people who are quite able to go to a polling place on election day should be illegal in all states.
What is wrong with absentee, in-person early voting, in your opinion?
If I can make up mind before election day, and can show up early to do so, what exactly is so horrific about that that it should be 'illegal'?
There's absolutely nothing wrong with absentee or in-person early voting. I never said there was. This bullcrap mass mail in voting leaves WAY too much room for cheating.
You actually complained about people 'who are quite able to go to a polling place on election day.'
For early in-person, I am a person 'who [is] quite able to go to a polling place on election day' as well.
I have zero issue with you being against mail-in -- I am as well. I think you are off base for making the basis 'from people who are quite able to go to a polling place on election day'. That also includes early in-person.
