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RE: Speculating What Scheduling in a New WAC Would Look Like
(06-21-2021 09:48 AM)TexasTerror Wrote:  As Todor shared, there's a tentative WAC basketball schedule out there which has been pretty much confirmed at this point and posted on these forums multiple times.

Also check out future WAC Basketball schedules thread

Thanks for sharing. Sorry I missed the other thread, otherwise I wouldn't have put up that post.
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(06-21-2021 12:48 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 11:13 AM)edinburger Wrote:  It's a bit unexpected: Seattle is with the "Eastern" division (SU, ACU, LU, TAR, SFA, RGV) and Chicago is with the "Western" division (CSU, NMSU, DSU, CBU, GCU, UVU). One would assume Seattle is a permanent assignment and CSU will be swapped out for SUU in 22-23. I propose we name the two divisions "Wet" (>20 in/yr rain) and "Dry" (<20 in/yr rain).

Where are you seeing Seattle with the eastern division aka 'Southwest Division'?

RGV is the only squad that plays home-and-away with Seattle. Sam Houston has GCU, SFA has NMSU, Abilene has Dixie.

To TT's point, there are no divisions. Or perhaps more accurately, each team is in a division of one, in the sense that it plays a unique set of six other teams home-and-home.

In Seattle's case those six teams are Chicago State, NMSU, Cal Baptist, Utah Valley, Dixie State and UTRGV. Seattle also has three single game matchups at home against SFA, Sam Houston and Lamar and three single game matchups on the road against Grand Canyon, Tarleton and ACU.

Chicago's six home-and-home matchups are against Seattle, NMSU, Cal Baptist, Grand Canyon, Tarleton and SFA. Its single game home matchups are against Utah Valley, Dixie State and Sam Houston and its it single game road matchups are against UTRGV, Lamar and ACU.

No team's schedule is the exact mirror-image of any other's.
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RE: Speculating What Scheduling in a New WAC Would Look Like
(06-21-2021 04:50 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 12:48 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 11:13 AM)edinburger Wrote:  It's a bit unexpected: Seattle is with the "Eastern" division (SU, ACU, LU, TAR, SFA, RGV) and Chicago is with the "Western" division (CSU, NMSU, DSU, CBU, GCU, UVU). One would assume Seattle is a permanent assignment and CSU will be swapped out for SUU in 22-23. I propose we name the two divisions "Wet" (>20 in/yr rain) and "Dry" (<20 in/yr rain).

Where are you seeing Seattle with the eastern division aka 'Southwest Division'?

RGV is the only squad that plays home-and-away with Seattle. Sam Houston has GCU, SFA has NMSU, Abilene has Dixie.

To TT's point, there are no divisions. Or perhaps more accurately, each team is in a division of one, in the sense that it plays a unique set of six other teams home-and-home.

In Seattle's case those six teams are Chicago State, NMSU, Cal Baptist, Utah Valley, Dixie State and UTRGV. Seattle also has three single game matchups at home against SFA, Sam Houston and Lamar and three single game matchups on the road against Grand Canyon, Tarleton and ACU.

Chicago's six home-and-home matchups are against Seattle, NMSU, Cal Baptist, Grand Canyon, Tarleton and SFA. Its single game home matchups are against Utah Valley, Dixie State and Sam Houston and its it single game road matchups are against UTRGV, Lamar and ACU.

No team's schedule is the exact mirror-image of any other's.

With an odd number of teams, no team conference schedule will be a mirror image of any school. Therefore, the final conference standing might not be a true representation of the team's strength against their peers; going on road trips to schools like NMSU and GCU are much harder games to win the going to Chicago State and others. If a team doesn't have to travel to NMSU and/or GCU, the is a built in advantage in conference scheduling; three WAC schools will not be required to come to the PAC (SHSU, Lamar, and UTRGV) this season and likewise at GCU arena (SFA, Lamar, and UTRGV). Both Lamar and UTRGV don't need to come to GCU and NMSU. Both schools might not be in the running for a WAC title, but it will be an advantage to finish higher in the standing than maybe Tarleton State who has to travel to both NMSU and GCU.
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(06-21-2021 05:04 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 04:50 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 12:48 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 11:13 AM)edinburger Wrote:  It's a bit unexpected: Seattle is with the "Eastern" division (SU, ACU, LU, TAR, SFA, RGV) and Chicago is with the "Western" division (CSU, NMSU, DSU, CBU, GCU, UVU). One would assume Seattle is a permanent assignment and CSU will be swapped out for SUU in 22-23. I propose we name the two divisions "Wet" (>20 in/yr rain) and "Dry" (<20 in/yr rain).

Where are you seeing Seattle with the eastern division aka 'Southwest Division'?

RGV is the only squad that plays home-and-away with Seattle. Sam Houston has GCU, SFA has NMSU, Abilene has Dixie.

To TT's point, there are no divisions. Or perhaps more accurately, each team is in a division of one, in the sense that it plays a unique set of six other teams home-and-home.

In Seattle's case those six teams are Chicago State, NMSU, Cal Baptist, Utah Valley, Dixie State and UTRGV. Seattle also has three single game matchups at home against SFA, Sam Houston and Lamar and three single game matchups on the road against Grand Canyon, Tarleton and ACU.

Chicago's six home-and-home matchups are against Seattle, NMSU, Cal Baptist, Grand Canyon, Tarleton and SFA. Its single game home matchups are against Utah Valley, Dixie State and Sam Houston and its it single game road matchups are against UTRGV, Lamar and ACU.

No team's schedule is the exact mirror-image of any other's.

With an odd number of teams, no team conference schedule will be a mirror image of any school. Therefore, the final conference standing might now be a true representation of the team's strength against their peers; going on road trips to schools like NMSU and GCU are much harder games to win the going to Chicago State and others. If a team doesn't have to travel to NMSU and/or GCU, the is a built in advantage in conference scheduling; three WAC schools will not be required to come to the PAC (SHSU, Lamar, and UTRGV) this season and likewise at GCU arena (SFA, Lamar, and UTRGV). Both Lamar and UTRGV don't need to come to GCU and NMSU. Both schools might not be in the running for a WAC title, but it will be an advantage to finish higher in the standing than maybe Tarleton State who has to travel to both NMSU and GCU.

Might now, or might not?
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(06-21-2021 09:31 PM)Todor Wrote:  Might now, or might not?

Must have been a typo, I’m pretty sure he meant might not.
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All I know is NMSU will beat Tarleton by 20+ on January 13th.
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(06-22-2021 04:23 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  
(06-21-2021 09:31 PM)Todor Wrote:  Might now, or might not?

Must have been a typo, I’m pretty sure he meant might not.

...mite knot... :)
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Take a look at what the Southland is doing this upcoming season

“The unique Southland Pre-Season Tournament is new for 2021-22 and provides a glimpse into the league's postseason tournament inside the Merrell Center.”

“ The Southland Tip Off Tournament is scheduled for January 6-8 in Katy, Texas, home of the conference championship. The Merrell Center will host a non-conference tournament featuring the eight league participants.”


https://unoprivateers.com/news/2021/6/24...edule.aspx
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(06-24-2021 01:02 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Take a look at what the Southland is doing this upcoming season

“The unique Southland Pre-Season Tournament is new for 2021-22 and provides a glimpse into the league's postseason tournament inside the Merrell Center.”

“ The Southland Tip Off Tournament is scheduled for January 6-8 in Katy, Texas, home of the conference championship. The Merrell Center will host a non-conference tournament featuring the eight league participants.”


https://unoprivateers.com/news/2021/6/24...edule.aspx

I'm confused (not unusual). Will the SLC tourney games count as conference games? Am I not understanding the tourney correctly?
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(06-24-2021 01:12 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(06-24-2021 01:02 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Take a look at what the Southland is doing this upcoming season

“The unique Southland Pre-Season Tournament is new for 2021-22 and provides a glimpse into the league's postseason tournament inside the Merrell Center.”

“ The Southland Tip Off Tournament is scheduled for January 6-8 in Katy, Texas, home of the conference championship. The Merrell Center will host a non-conference tournament featuring the eight league participants.”


https://unoprivateers.com/news/2021/6/24...edule.aspx

I'm confused (not unusual). Will the SLC tourney games count as conference games? Am I not understanding the tourney correctly?

I would be fairly certain it has nothing to do with the regular season title. The Big 12 when it was the Big 8 had a pre-season tourney every year way back in the 70's. It was a guaranteed everyone played three games bracket. Then they had the regular season followed by a post season single elimination tournament.
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(06-24-2021 01:12 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(06-24-2021 01:02 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Take a look at what the Southland is doing this upcoming season

“The unique Southland Pre-Season Tournament is new for 2021-22 and provides a glimpse into the league's postseason tournament inside the Merrell Center.”

“ The Southland Tip Off Tournament is scheduled for January 6-8 in Katy, Texas, home of the conference championship. The Merrell Center will host a non-conference tournament featuring the eight league participants.”


https://unoprivateers.com/news/2021/6/24...edule.aspx

I'm confused (not unusual). Will the SLC tourney games count as conference games? Am I not understanding the tourney correctly?

The 3 games? Would count as non-conference games. Hard to imagine that many fans will travel to this tournament. Oh well, I guess we will see how it plays out.
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(06-24-2021 02:07 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(06-24-2021 01:12 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(06-24-2021 01:02 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Take a look at what the Southland is doing this upcoming season

“The unique Southland Pre-Season Tournament is new for 2021-22 and provides a glimpse into the league's postseason tournament inside the Merrell Center.”

“ The Southland Tip Off Tournament is scheduled for January 6-8 in Katy, Texas, home of the conference championship. The Merrell Center will host a non-conference tournament featuring the eight league participants.”


https://unoprivateers.com/news/2021/6/24...edule.aspx

I'm confused (not unusual). Will the SLC tourney games count as conference games? Am I not understanding the tourney correctly?

The 3 games? Would count as non-conference games. Hard to imagine that many fans will travel to this tournament. Oh well, I guess we will see how it plays out.

But the tourney is SLC teams playing SLC teams?
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(06-24-2021 02:34 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(06-24-2021 02:07 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(06-24-2021 01:12 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(06-24-2021 01:02 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Take a look at what the Southland is doing this upcoming season

“The unique Southland Pre-Season Tournament is new for 2021-22 and provides a glimpse into the league's postseason tournament inside the Merrell Center.”

“ The Southland Tip Off Tournament is scheduled for January 6-8 in Katy, Texas, home of the conference championship. The Merrell Center will host a non-conference tournament featuring the eight league participants.”


https://unoprivateers.com/news/2021/6/24...edule.aspx

I'm confused (not unusual). Will the SLC tourney games count as conference games? Am I not understanding the tourney correctly?

The 3 games? Would count as non-conference games. Hard to imagine that many fans will travel to this tournament. Oh well, I guess we will see how it plays out.

But the tourney is SLC teams playing SLC teams?

Correct
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(06-24-2021 04:56 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(06-24-2021 02:34 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(06-24-2021 02:07 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(06-24-2021 01:12 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(06-24-2021 01:02 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Take a look at what the Southland is doing this upcoming season

“The unique Southland Pre-Season Tournament is new for 2021-22 and provides a glimpse into the league's postseason tournament inside the Merrell Center.”

“ The Southland Tip Off Tournament is scheduled for January 6-8 in Katy, Texas, home of the conference championship. The Merrell Center will host a non-conference tournament featuring the eight league participants.”


https://unoprivateers.com/news/2021/6/24...edule.aspx

I'm confused (not unusual). Will the SLC tourney games count as conference games? Am I not understanding the tourney correctly?

The 3 games? Would count as non-conference games. Hard to imagine that many fans will travel to this tournament. Oh well, I guess we will see how it plays out.

But the tourney is SLC teams playing SLC teams?

Correct

The regular season is defined by the schedule the conference puts out as regular season games. In past years in both basketball and baseball after the conference put out their schedule a few teams scheduled non-conference games against conference schools in both sports.
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(06-24-2021 05:05 PM)FirstandGoal Wrote:  
(06-24-2021 04:56 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(06-24-2021 02:34 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(06-24-2021 02:07 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(06-24-2021 01:12 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  I'm confused (not unusual). Will the SLC tourney games count as conference games? Am I not understanding the tourney correctly?

The 3 games? Would count as non-conference games. Hard to imagine that many fans will travel to this tournament. Oh well, I guess we will see how it plays out.

But the tourney is SLC teams playing SLC teams?

Correct

The regular season is defined by the schedule the conference puts out as regular season games. In past years in both basketball and baseball after the conference put out their schedule a few teams scheduled non-conference games against conference schools in both sports.

IIRC, Wake and UNC scheduled a non-conference football game with each other as well. Not unprecedented, but weird.
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Interesting
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A glimpse at how volleyball will work.

Sam Houston State announced its volleyball schedule which includes a 'Phoenix pod' of the WAC crossover with games against GCU, NMSU and UVU. SFA similarly announced its volleyball schedule and is in the same pod which has games on Thursday, Friday and Saturday in Phoenix.

Last year, NMSU, GCU and UVU were 1-2-3 in the WAC volleyball standings while SFA and Sam were 1-2.

Wondering if the crossover is being constructed to pit the presumed top teams in the west and east based off the prior year's schedule? Would certainly make sense!
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Soccer tournament will be a 'six-team' field.

Quote:ACU also has won the bid to host the 2021 WAC Soccer Tournament, which takes place the first week of November at Elmer Gray Stadium. The six-team field will all be in Abilene for the week-long tournament to decide the automatic qualifying bid into the NCAA postseason.

SW Division features ACU, CSU, Lamar, SHSU, SFA & UTRGV - all postseason eligible; the west features CBU, DSU, GCU, NMSU, SU and UVU of which I believe DSU is only ineligible.

If it is a six-team field, the only thing that would make sense would be to have top three from each division make it. Presumably the below is the field with the West #2 and East #3 meeting in a quarterfinal with the winner facing East #1 while West #1 would await the quarterfinal winner of East #2 and West #3.

W2 v E3 (vs E1)
E2 v W3 (vs W1)
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(07-16-2021 03:50 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  Soccer tournament will be a 'six-team' field.

Quote:ACU also has won the bid to host the 2021 WAC Soccer Tournament, which takes place the first week of November at Elmer Gray Stadium. The six-team field will all be in Abilene for the week-long tournament to decide the automatic qualifying bid into the NCAA postseason.

SW Division features ACU, CSU, Lamar, SHSU, SFA & UTRGV - all postseason eligible; the west features CBU, DSU, GCU, NMSU, SU and UVU of which I believe DSU is only ineligible.

If it is a six-team field, the only thing that would make sense would be to have top three from each division make it. Presumably the below is the field with the West #2 and East #3 meeting in a quarterfinal with the winner facing East #1 while West #1 would await the quarterfinal winner of East #2 and West #3.

W2 v E3 (vs E1)
E2 v W3 (vs W1)

Its always been a six team field. Even when NMSU hosted it and didn't qualify.
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