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RE: MLB 2020/21 Hot Stove Thread
(02-16-2021 04:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
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(02-16-2021 10:49 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
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(02-08-2021 01:30 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Yeah 3 and then in a lot of ways Buehler is just as valuable.

I told someone on another board- I think we're more likely to see DH in NL in 2021 than we are to see pitchers batting in 2022.

It sucks, but universal DH was always going to be the future. I disagree with Wedge though, if your the owners I don't think you should just give it away, but I don't know what concession you could trade for it.

The problem is the owners want it pretty much just as much as the players.

Think it's going to be really interesting to see here in the next few weeks if MLB goes ahead and does the DH for free. The time to watch would be in spring training with pitchers starting to bat (first 2 weeks or so they don't).

If that is case then you're correct. But that begs the question of why it's taken so long to implement the DH in the NL? The owners desire to keep pitchers off the bases didn't come up in 2020.

I think it's been there for a while and it was coming up in the CBA in 2021. The virus moved things up a bit.

I just think the owners will look at it- dh in 2020 and most likely in 2022. How smart is it to have the pitchers bat in 21 where it's a good 18 months since they did any batting at all.

The owners want it more, so why should the players give something away in exchange for it? If my teenager knows that I really really want to get pizza for dinner tonight, it's not going to be very effective for me to tell her that we will only get pizza if she cleans her room first.
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RE: MLB 2020/21 Hot Stove Thread
(02-16-2021 05:06 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-16-2021 04:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(02-16-2021 04:08 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(02-16-2021 10:49 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(02-16-2021 10:45 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  It sucks, but universal DH was always going to be the future. I disagree with Wedge though, if your the owners I don't think you should just give it away, but I don't know what concession you could trade for it.

The problem is the owners want it pretty much just as much as the players.

Think it's going to be really interesting to see here in the next few weeks if MLB goes ahead and does the DH for free. The time to watch would be in spring training with pitchers starting to bat (first 2 weeks or so they don't).

If that is case then you're correct. But that begs the question of why it's taken so long to implement the DH in the NL? The owners desire to keep pitchers off the bases didn't come up in 2020.

I think it's been there for a while and it was coming up in the CBA in 2021. The virus moved things up a bit.

I just think the owners will look at it- dh in 2020 and most likely in 2022. How smart is it to have the pitchers bat in 21 where it's a good 18 months since they did any batting at all.

The owners want it more, so why should the players give something away in exchange for it? If my teenager knows that I really really want to get pizza for dinner tonight, it's not going to be very effective for me to tell her that we will only get pizza if she cleans her room first.

oh yeah for sure.

I suspect MLB might wait for another week or so to get all the free agents done and then do it.
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RE: MLB 2020/21 Hot Stove Thread
(02-16-2021 05:06 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-16-2021 04:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(02-16-2021 04:08 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(02-16-2021 10:49 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(02-16-2021 10:45 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  It sucks, but universal DH was always going to be the future. I disagree with Wedge though, if your the owners I don't think you should just give it away, but I don't know what concession you could trade for it.

The problem is the owners want it pretty much just as much as the players.

Think it's going to be really interesting to see here in the next few weeks if MLB goes ahead and does the DH for free. The time to watch would be in spring training with pitchers starting to bat (first 2 weeks or so they don't).

If that is case then you're correct. But that begs the question of why it's taken so long to implement the DH in the NL? The owners desire to keep pitchers off the bases didn't come up in 2020.

I think it's been there for a while and it was coming up in the CBA in 2021. The virus moved things up a bit.

I just think the owners will look at it- dh in 2020 and most likely in 2022. How smart is it to have the pitchers bat in 21 where it's a good 18 months since they did any batting at all.

The owners want it more, so why should the players give something away in exchange for it? If my teenager knows that I really really want to get pizza for dinner tonight, it's not going to be very effective for me to tell her that we will only get pizza if she cleans her room first.

I clearly missed the owners disclosure of that fact. Definitely a negotiating faux pas.
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RE: MLB 2020/21 Hot Stove Thread
1 thing we have to remember with the owners- so many of them are new. I mean just since the last CBA- 3 are new- KC, Miami, and now the Mets. I think more look at things as assets and they don't want pitchers hurt not doing their primary thing, which is to pitch obviously.
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