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Was ODU's decision, right or wrong
If we are the brokest program in CUSA, then we are in trouble. Also, just another reason Wood has got to go.

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(09-04-2020 07:19 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  If we are the brokest program in CUSA, then we are in trouble. Also, just another reason Wood has got to go.

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Gonna need O'Shane to hit it big with his next contract so he can make a nice donation back to the program.
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(09-04-2020 09:41 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(09-04-2020 09:23 AM)bluelight Wrote:  Covid-19 has hit this country in great numbers. Presently the state of Virginia is treading stable. After seeing two weak C-USA football teams play on CBS, I wonder if we pulled too soon. With the rest of C-USA playing (states hit hard by covid19) would we have been better playing with small crowds, but drawing big revenue from national T.V.? Note: In this morning's paper the AD of North Carolina, has reduce salaries of all coaches and staff. I think the ODAF will take a hit this year and time only will tell. Mean while where is our multi deficit coming from?

What National TV revenue? CUSA isn’t getting a new TV contract just because the big ten and pac aren’t playing. Now, the value of the potential exposure were missing out on is worth considering.

Raleigh sports talk radio, normally ACC centered, was talking about Central Ark and UAB game. But it was more sarcasm than anything serious. No doubt they would have been talking a bit about the WF-ODU game today had the game been played. But again, it would have been more of how Wake should roll rather than anything positive about ODU. So, bottom line, "exposure", unless you win, is not all it's cracked up to be.
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(09-04-2020 05:53 PM)The Flagship Wrote:  
(09-04-2020 12:03 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  I don't know if any of us know right now if the decision is right or wrong. I think we'll have the benefit of hindsight by the end of next month.

Just my opinion, but I said from Minute-1 that this decision was about money. Our athletic department net loss will be less by not playing vs. playing. And that does not include the risk of lawsuits in the future from players contracting the virus. Harry's first blurb was about it being about the safety of the players. But let's be honest. How much more of a risk is it compared to being an average college student? I think it's more, but not that much more.

So was the decision right or wrong? The virus spread was/is an unknown. The financial loss was known and nothing could change that. The lawsuit liability was unknown. I think based on these factors, the decision was right.

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How many on this board are still working remotely? My building is mostly empty with the majority of staff working remotely. If that doesn’t answer your question then nothing will. Said differently, if you are working remotely and think the season should be played - then you should show up for work in-person next week.
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13 out of 14 cusa teams playing 3 out of 4 va schools playing. You tell me
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(09-04-2020 10:28 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  How many on this board are still working remotely? My building is mostly empty with the majority of staff working remotely. If that doesn’t answer your question then nothing will. Said differently, if you are working remotely and think the season should be played - then you should show up for work in-person next week.

You are comparing a completely different set of circumstances, and I know that you are smart enough to understand that DJ96.

Although the central focus of this forum, athletics are subordinate to the overall mission of running the university. In the face of Covid (which in my own view is more overblown hysterics than actual fact), the school has no choice other than to make in-the-moment decisions on what accommodations are necessary and appropriate and what are not. The decision on whether to close down sports for the fall season is one that no one on this board has all the necessary facts to say for certain what was the correct move. And none of us will know for sure until long after the season is well behind us.

What our gov’t leaders have done to private business, to our school-age children, and to our vulnerable citizens who rely on community services, on the other hand, is a completely different question. We all are better positioned than Governor Moonwalk to decide what is in our own best interest in dealing with this disease. The gov’t is, in most instances, completely unqualified to make the correct call on what functions are best handled remotely and which must be performed in person. It would be as if we on this board were commanding the university to play football this fall - - something we may have an opinion on, but at least are aware enough to know that we don’t have the final say on the matter. The gov’t, on the other hand, is more than willing to play dictator.

And what is worse, these from-the-top decisions are being made without the least bit of humility. I could not care less whether Nancy Pelosi got her hair washed and whether or not she chose to wear a mask. That’s her own personal business. But what makes that offensive is that she is part of the gov’t that decreed that whole segments of our private sector must shutdown, unless they get special recognition from unqualified know-it-alls as what is and is not an essential business.

Neither you nor anyone else are in any position to insist that someone else go into in-person work - - because you have no idea what their work situation might be. Neither does Governor Moonwalk, who (like Pelosi) is delighted to insist on mask-wearing for the masses but considers himself to be too important for that. But you know who does know best? The employer and the employee.

There used to be a time when our gov’t was “by the people, for the people”. That time seems to be no more.
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I hate us not playing, but, what a messed up year. I was so excited about seven home games and two ACC home games.

I like us taking a year off. I think the uncertainty will end up getting kids injured needlessly. Taking a year off gives us a year to develop our kids with the new coach rather than get our butts kicked this year.
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(09-05-2020 06:53 AM)ODUODUODU Wrote:  I hate us not playing, but, what a messed up year. I was so excited about seven home games and two ACC home games.

I like us taking a year off. I think the uncertainty will end up getting kids injured needlessly. Taking a year off gives us a year to develop our kids with the new coach rather than get our butts kicked this year.

If we actually use it for full helmet to helmet practice. I haven’t heard a single report from any “practice”. Get out there guys. The clock is running and this time is valuable.
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Way too early to answer this question. Let's wait and see how it all plays out.
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(09-05-2020 03:58 AM)jaybird44 Wrote:  13 out of 14 cusa teams playing 3 out of 4 va schools playing. You tell me

Right or wrong, I do think it hurts our brand. Every other FBS team in state plays while we sit at the kids table with the FCS teams. Certainly adds fuel to the argument that we can’t hang with the big boys and should have stayed FCS.
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(09-04-2020 10:28 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  How many on this board are still working remotely? My building is mostly empty with the majority of staff working remotely. If that doesn’t answer your question then nothing will. Said differently, if you are working remotely and think the season should be played - then you should show up for work in-person next week.

This is a great analogy. My office has about 130 people. Of those I’m the only one that comes in daily. There are about six that come in for a few hours spread out over five days. We are in a nine story building downtown and most of the others in the building are the same. We may start bringing a small number of people back into the office voluntarily towards the end of the month depending in the trends in Hampton Roads. The full return to the office will not be until “January at the earliest”. We are not an outlier in the January time frame either.

I get the frustration and disappointment. I should be nursing a sore throat and watching GameDay right now. I’m not though so I just have to make the best of the situation and look forward to the resumption of Monarch football.
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(09-05-2020 08:51 AM)monarx Wrote:  
(09-05-2020 03:58 AM)jaybird44 Wrote:  13 out of 14 cusa teams playing 3 out of 4 va schools playing. You tell me

Right or wrong, I do think it hurts our brand. Every other FBS team in state plays while we sit at the kids table with the FCS teams. Certainly adds fuel to the argument that we can’t hang with the big boys and should have stayed FCS.

How in the world does it equate to that? Every area has different restrictions.

We are sitting at the table with the Big 10 if you want to spin it.
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(09-05-2020 10:21 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(09-05-2020 08:51 AM)monarx Wrote:  
(09-05-2020 03:58 AM)jaybird44 Wrote:  13 out of 14 cusa teams playing 3 out of 4 va schools playing. You tell me

Right or wrong, I do think it hurts our brand. Every other FBS team in state plays while we sit at the kids table with the FCS teams. Certainly adds fuel to the argument that we can’t hang with the big boys and should have stayed FCS.

How in the world does it equate to that? Every area has different restrictions.

We are sitting at the table with the Big 10 if you want to spin it.

We aren’t in Big10 country and frankly this is hurting them too. They’re losing ground to the ACC as a result of this. But at least they made a decision as a conference. It’s not like Rutgers said we can’t hang with the rest of ya’ll, we’ll sit this out. Have fun. We literally are the only FBS school in Va or NC to choose not to play. Also, the only school in the AAC, CUSA or Sun Belt to not play. Meanwhile the CAA shut down and we joined them in that decision rather than acting like Liberty, ECU, Marshall, Charlotte, Temple or Navy, much less UVA, NC State and VT. It may be the right decision (or not), but either way, it looks terrible.
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(09-05-2020 03:58 AM)jaybird44 Wrote:  13 out of 14 cusa teams playing 3 out of 4 va schools playing. You tell me

Well, you can't point it out any more clearly than this....can you?
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(09-05-2020 11:48 AM)monarx Wrote:  
(09-05-2020 10:21 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(09-05-2020 08:51 AM)monarx Wrote:  
(09-05-2020 03:58 AM)jaybird44 Wrote:  13 out of 14 cusa teams playing 3 out of 4 va schools playing. You tell me

Right or wrong, I do think it hurts our brand. Every other FBS team in state plays while we sit at the kids table with the FCS teams. Certainly adds fuel to the argument that we can’t hang with the big boys and should have stayed FCS.

How in the world does it equate to that? Every area has different restrictions.

We are sitting at the table with the Big 10 if you want to spin it.

We aren’t in Big10 country and frankly this is hurting them too. They’re losing ground to the ACC as a result of this. But at least they made a decision as a conference. It’s not like Rutgers said we can’t hang with the rest of ya’ll, we’ll sit this out. Have fun. We literally are the only FBS school in Va or NC to choose not to play. Also, the only school in the AAC, CUSA or Sun Belt to not play. Meanwhile the CAA shut down and we joined them in that decision rather than acting like Liberty, ECU, Marshall, Charlotte, Temple or Navy, much less UVA, NC State and VT. It may be the right decision (or not), but either way, it looks terrible.

How is the B10 losing ground to the ACC?

Who does it look terrible too? There are plenty of people that agrre and support the decision.
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(09-05-2020 03:37 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(09-05-2020 11:48 AM)monarx Wrote:  
(09-05-2020 10:21 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(09-05-2020 08:51 AM)monarx Wrote:  
(09-05-2020 03:58 AM)jaybird44 Wrote:  13 out of 14 cusa teams playing 3 out of 4 va schools playing. You tell me

Right or wrong, I do think it hurts our brand. Every other FBS team in state plays while we sit at the kids table with the FCS teams. Certainly adds fuel to the argument that we can’t hang with the big boys and should have stayed FCS.

How in the world does it equate to that? Every area has different restrictions.

We are sitting at the table with the Big 10 if you want to spin it.

We aren’t in Big10 country and frankly this is hurting them too. They’re losing ground to the ACC as a result of this. But at least they made a decision as a conference. It’s not like Rutgers said we can’t hang with the rest of ya’ll, we’ll sit this out. Have fun. We literally are the only FBS school in Va or NC to choose not to play. Also, the only school in the AAC, CUSA or Sun Belt to not play. Meanwhile the CAA shut down and we joined them in that decision rather than acting like Liberty, ECU, Marshall, Charlotte, Temple or Navy, much less UVA, NC State and VT. It may be the right decision (or not), but either way, it looks terrible.

How is the B10 losing ground to the ACC?

Who does it look terrible too? There are plenty of people that agrre and support the decision.
You haven't been paying attention if you don't think what's going on in the Big Ten is a complete cluster****.

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(09-05-2020 03:37 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(09-05-2020 11:48 AM)monarx Wrote:  
(09-05-2020 10:21 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(09-05-2020 08:51 AM)monarx Wrote:  
(09-05-2020 03:58 AM)jaybird44 Wrote:  13 out of 14 cusa teams playing 3 out of 4 va schools playing. You tell me

Right or wrong, I do think it hurts our brand. Every other FBS team in state plays while we sit at the kids table with the FCS teams. Certainly adds fuel to the argument that we can’t hang with the big boys and should have stayed FCS.

How in the world does it equate to that? Every area has different restrictions.

We are sitting at the table with the Big 10 if you want to spin it.

We aren’t in Big10 country and frankly this is hurting them too. They’re losing ground to the ACC as a result of this. But at least they made a decision as a conference. It’s not like Rutgers said we can’t hang with the rest of ya’ll, we’ll sit this out. Have fun. We literally are the only FBS school in Va or NC to choose not to play. Also, the only school in the AAC, CUSA or Sun Belt to not play. Meanwhile the CAA shut down and we joined them in that decision rather than acting like Liberty, ECU, Marshall, Charlotte, Temple or Navy, much less UVA, NC State and VT. It may be the right decision (or not), but either way, it looks terrible.

How is the B10 losing ground to the ACC?

Who does it look terrible too? There are plenty of people that agrre and support the decision.

Because the ACC is playing, on TV, getting press and looking like they are tough as nails football teams ready to go win some games and not tuck their tail and get scared of some adversity. That may not be what’s really happening, but that’s the perception. The people that agree with it and support it are largely acadamia, politicians, and older populations. Football players, coaches, players parents, younger folks and football fans in general either disagree or are on the fence. Obviously with some exceptions. Last I looked we were trying to recruit athletes, not future professors. So this decision hurts our brand amongst potential recruits, coaches, parents and fans. Basically the people needed to have a successful program. The rest of CUSA is taking advantage of the opportunity. 2 CUSA vs G5 or FCS games have already been added to ESPN2 national broadcasts.Our Wake game surely would have been picked up for a national broadcast. You really don’t think this is going to hurt us on the recruiting trail? My hope is CUSAs gain will help us, but it will be tougher to climb out of the basement now. Just hope we can keep all of our good recruits with no games for them to come to.
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No, I do not think it will hurt our recruiting. I havent heard of any recruits either from 20 or 22 that have back out.

I honestly have not seen an ACC team play yet. I wi have to go see who Has played. I dont view them as “tough as nail” and no one that I know does....but we all run in different crowds.

I habe not heard of one instance of this decision hurting our brand from potential recruits. Of course, if you believe we should be playing then maybe you feel like that is the case.

The B10 isnt gonna be hurt by skipping a year and neither will we. There is also a chance that teams play in the spring (which would actually be better for exposure since there would be no NFL

If we somehow decided to play (not sure how that is possible with 50 person limit), we would have had fans or recruits in the stands. I doubt other teams can have recruits in the stands either.

Your viewpoint of the virus is naturally gonna sway whatever viewpoint you have (all of us). If Im a parent, Im thinking “damn, ODU actually cares about its athletes.”
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I hope you’re right Giles. I really do.
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