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(09-11-2020 07:33 AM)monarx Wrote:  https://247sports.com/college/nebraska/A...HbTtopxwX0

This is part of what I don’t get. OHio St coach comes out in favor of playing in part because he’s standing up for his players wishes. ODU wants us to believe that in spite of all these other schools playing, and the players at other schools not playing being vocally upset about the decision, ODU players are thankful and united in the decision to not play. So much so, they are writing letters of appreciation to the admin. It just sounds fishy that our guys feel so differently from the players at other schools. Players usually want to play. I can understand being told no, but I’m shocked our coaches and players seem so agreeable to it and embracing the decision..

Difference, in my opinion, is we don't have independent media covering this. We have Baghdad Bob and a newspaper without resources to do anything but publish the company line. Ohio State could not get away with that narrative. Their QB led the nationwide charge to return to the field. Seems like our guys are posting nothing either way. Who know what is going on behind the scenes?
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Whether playing or not playing is in your opinion the right thing to do, if our players really are united in not WANTING to play, we have a culture problem. I would expect college level athletes to be upset about being told they can't play. I am not condemning our players, because I think what has been communicated is more spin from the admin than the actual feelings of most of the players, but if...
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(09-11-2020 07:33 AM)monarx Wrote:  https://247sports.com/college/nebraska/A...HbTtopxwX0

This is part of what I don’t get. OHio St coach comes out in favor of playing in part because he’s standing up for his players wishes. ODU wants us to believe that in spite of all these other schools playing, and the players at other schools not playing being vocally upset about the decision, ODU players are thankful and united in the decision to not play. So much so, they are writing letters of appreciation to the admin. It just sounds fishy that our guys feel so differently from the players at other schools. Players usually want to play. I can understand being told no, but I’m shocked our coaches and players seem so agreeable to it and embracing the decision..

Wood and Broderick said that some players weren’t comfortable with playing. Wood specifically mentioned some athletes from Europe being uncomfortable with playing and were reticent to even coming back. But that doesn’t mean all feel that way.
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(09-11-2020 08:31 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(09-11-2020 07:33 AM)monarx Wrote:  https://247sports.com/college/nebraska/A...HbTtopxwX0

This is part of what I don’t get. OHio St coach comes out in favor of playing in part because he’s standing up for his players wishes. ODU wants us to believe that in spite of all these other schools playing, and the players at other schools not playing being vocally upset about the decision, ODU players are thankful and united in the decision to not play. So much so, they are writing letters of appreciation to the admin. It just sounds fishy that our guys feel so differently from the players at other schools. Players usually want to play. I can understand being told no, but I’m shocked our coaches and players seem so agreeable to it and embracing the decision..

Wood and Broderick said that some players weren’t comfortable with playing. Wood specifically mentioned some athletes from Europe being uncomfortable with playing and were reticent to even coming back. But that doesn’t mean all feel that way.

Where are the stories or even tweets from players wanting to play? Why are they being muted (assuming they exist)? This is the culture that sunk Wilder (players have no voice). Now that Wilder is gone, I'm pretty convinced now that it is coming from Wood. He is the common denominator.
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(09-11-2020 08:36 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(09-11-2020 08:31 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(09-11-2020 07:33 AM)monarx Wrote:  https://247sports.com/college/nebraska/A...HbTtopxwX0

This is part of what I don’t get. OHio St coach comes out in favor of playing in part because he’s standing up for his players wishes. ODU wants us to believe that in spite of all these other schools playing, and the players at other schools not playing being vocally upset about the decision, ODU players are thankful and united in the decision to not play. So much so, they are writing letters of appreciation to the admin. It just sounds fishy that our guys feel so differently from the players at other schools. Players usually want to play. I can understand being told no, but I’m shocked our coaches and players seem so agreeable to it and embracing the decision..

Wood and Broderick said that some players weren’t comfortable with playing. Wood specifically mentioned some athletes from Europe being uncomfortable with playing and were reticent to even coming back. But that doesn’t mean all feel that way.

Where are the stories or even tweets from players wanting to play? Why are they being muted (assuming they exist)? This is the culture that sunk Wilder (players have no voice). Now that Wilder is gone, I'm pretty convinced now that it is coming from Wood. He is the common denominator.

If i can add to that. That and terrible coaching is what sunk him. He can't recruit and coach at FBS level and i don't want to call him out because he was the guy who got us here but he has a history of making some dumbshit calls when it comes to his staff and on field play calling.
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Saying 120 18-22 year olds speak with a unified hive-mind sounds fishy to me.

Do we have players who want to play this year regardless? I absolutely believe so
Do we have players who opted out and others who were poised to do so? I absolutely believe so.
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(09-11-2020 08:31 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(09-11-2020 07:33 AM)monarx Wrote:  https://247sports.com/college/nebraska/A...HbTtopxwX0

This is part of what I don’t get. OHio St coach comes out in favor of playing in part because he’s standing up for his players wishes. ODU wants us to believe that in spite of all these other schools playing, and the players at other schools not playing being vocally upset about the decision, ODU players are thankful and united in the decision to not play. So much so, they are writing letters of appreciation to the admin. It just sounds fishy that our guys feel so differently from the players at other schools. Players usually want to play. I can understand being told no, but I’m shocked our coaches and players seem so agreeable to it and embracing the decision..

Wood and Broderick said that some players weren’t comfortable with playing. Wood specifically mentioned some athletes from Europe being uncomfortable with playing and were reticent to even coming back. But that doesn’t mean all feel that way.

I doubt we have many (if any) Europeans on the football team. Many schools are playing football, while not playing other sports.
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(09-11-2020 10:40 AM)monarx Wrote:  
(09-11-2020 08:31 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(09-11-2020 07:33 AM)monarx Wrote:  https://247sports.com/college/nebraska/A...HbTtopxwX0

This is part of what I don’t get. OHio St coach comes out in favor of playing in part because he’s standing up for his players wishes. ODU wants us to believe that in spite of all these other schools playing, and the players at other schools not playing being vocally upset about the decision, ODU players are thankful and united in the decision to not play. So much so, they are writing letters of appreciation to the admin. It just sounds fishy that our guys feel so differently from the players at other schools. Players usually want to play. I can understand being told no, but I’m shocked our coaches and players seem so agreeable to it and embracing the decision..

Wood and Broderick said that some players weren’t comfortable with playing. Wood specifically mentioned some athletes from Europe being uncomfortable with playing and were reticent to even coming back. But that doesn’t mean all feel that way.

I doubt we have many (if any) Europeans on the football team. Many schools are playing football, while not playing other sports.

When they talk about not playing, they’re talking about all fall sports. And we have a bunch of Europeans in our other fall sports.
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(09-11-2020 10:33 AM)Grommet Wrote:  Saying 120 18-22 year olds speak with a unified hive-mind sounds fishy to me.

Do we have players who want to play this year regardless? I absolutely believe so
Do we have players who opted out and others who were poised to do so? I absolutely believe so.

Bingo.
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(09-11-2020 08:30 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Whether playing or not playing is in your opinion the right thing to do, if our players really are united in not WANTING to play, we have a culture problem. I would expect college level athletes to be upset about being told they can't play. I am not condemning our players, because I think what has been communicated is more spin from the admin than the actual feelings of most of the players, but if...

This is abolutely insane. Why would there be a culture problem if the players did not want to play? We have a culture problem if the players care about themselves and others.....the bastards!
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(09-11-2020 11:15 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(09-11-2020 10:33 AM)Grommet Wrote:  Saying 120 18-22 year olds speak with a unified hive-mind sounds fishy to me.

Do we have players who want to play this year regardless? I absolutely believe so
Do we have players who opted out and others who were poised to do so? I absolutely believe so.

Bingo.

Bingo.

And now we believe ODU admins are supressing Twitter to keep the athleses voices muted? What kind of nonsense do you believe in?
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(09-11-2020 11:46 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(09-11-2020 11:15 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(09-11-2020 10:33 AM)Grommet Wrote:  Saying 120 18-22 year olds speak with a unified hive-mind sounds fishy to me.

Do we have players who want to play this year regardless? I absolutely believe so
Do we have players who opted out and others who were poised to do so? I absolutely believe so.

Bingo.

Bingo.

And now we believe ODU admins are supressing Twitter to keep the athleses voices muted? What kind of nonsense do you believe in?

Absolutely no evidence of social media suppression at ODU. I would love to hear anything from this board to prove otherwise. The opinions of athletes is similar to that of general American citizens. Some believe they can/should play, and want to play. Other, don't feel that any mitigating strategy or "bubble" is enough to free them (and their loved ones) of risk. Taking everyone's personal/political beliefs out of the equation, THIS IS HOW THEY FEEL. In an age where we are trying to give student-athletes more of a voice (and "seat at the table") and "we should listen to how they feel", once they do then folks chime in to "pipe down." Just because we don't see a social media presence from ODU student-athletes (like Clemson/Trevor Lawrence), doesn't mean that they don't have those opinions or are as passionate towards those opinions.
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If you’re missing football so far the sportsplex in Va Beach is hosting Zohn Burden 7 on 7 league for the next 10 weeks. Last checked they have 25 high schools playing on Friday nights.

https://twitter.com/gameacademynow?s=21
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(09-11-2020 06:22 PM)Nukesquad Wrote:  
(09-11-2020 11:46 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(09-11-2020 11:15 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(09-11-2020 10:33 AM)Grommet Wrote:  Saying 120 18-22 year olds speak with a unified hive-mind sounds fishy to me.

Do we have players who want to play this year regardless? I absolutely believe so
Do we have players who opted out and others who were poised to do so? I absolutely believe so.

Bingo.

Bingo.

And now we believe ODU admins are supressing Twitter to keep the athleses voices muted? What kind of nonsense do you believe in?

Absolutely no evidence of social media suppression at ODU. I would love to hear anything from this board to prove otherwise. The opinions of athletes is similar to that of general American citizens. Some believe they can/should play, and want to play. Other, don't feel that any mitigating strategy or "bubble" is enough to free them (and their loved ones) of risk. Taking everyone's personal/political beliefs out of the equation, THIS IS HOW THEY FEEL. In an age where we are trying to give student-athletes more of a voice (and "seat at the table") and "we should listen to how they feel", once they do then folks chime in to "pipe down." Just because we don't see a social media presence from ODU student-athletes (like Clemson/Trevor Lawrence), doesn't mean that they don't have those opinions or are as passionate towards those opinions.


Plenty of evidence... granted no proof.


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What evidence?
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(09-11-2020 09:46 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  What evidence?


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(09-11-2020 06:22 PM)Nukesquad Wrote:  
(09-11-2020 11:46 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(09-11-2020 11:15 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(09-11-2020 10:33 AM)Grommet Wrote:  Saying 120 18-22 year olds speak with a unified hive-mind sounds fishy to me.

Do we have players who want to play this year regardless? I absolutely believe so
Do we have players who opted out and others who were poised to do so? I absolutely believe so.

Bingo.

Bingo.

And now we believe ODU admins are supressing Twitter to keep the athleses voices muted? What kind of nonsense do you believe in?

Absolutely no evidence of social media suppression at ODU. I would love to hear anything from this board to prove otherwise. The opinions of athletes is similar to that of general American citizens. Some believe they can/should play, and want to play. Other, don't feel that any mitigating strategy or "bubble" is enough to free them (and their loved ones) of risk. Taking everyone's personal/political beliefs out of the equation, THIS IS HOW THEY FEEL. In an age where we are trying to give student-athletes more of a voice (and "seat at the table") and "we should listen to how they feel", once they do then folks chime in to "pipe down." Just because we don't see a social media presence from ODU student-athletes (like Clemson/Trevor Lawrence), doesn't mean that they don't have those opinions or are as passionate towards those opinions.

This post makes two important points - - one of which is wrong and one of which is right.

On the more important point, you are absolutely right. ODU is a university first and only secondarily an athletic program. Unlike the NFL, NBA, MLB or any other professional sport, in which paying fans have a right to say “shut up and play, or else lose our interest”, the student athlete has every right, and in fact should be encouraged, to express his or her own opinion - - so long as the form of that expressed opinion does not involve intimidation, destruction or violence. We as fans do not have to show up to games or donate to the program, but we have no business telling a student athlete to “shut up and play”. Only the coaching staff can do that. And I hope that if they do so it is only in the least restrictive manner necessary.

Where I think you (and others) are wrong, Nukesquad, is in the overbroad statement that “there is no evidence of social media suppression at ODU”. I don’t believe that for a minute. The “cancel culture”, which is particularly rampant on the left, is I am sure just as pervasive at ODU as it is at any other large institution or organization. Do I have specific evidence of that? No, but only because I refuse to go looking for it. I nevertheless suspect that if you were to publicly state something critical about the BLM movement (just for one example) on the ODU campus or one of its sponsored boards, it would face immediate condemnation, and a severe backlash. We’ve got posters on this very forum (not Gilesfan, b.t.w., that’s an unfair charge by Ever) who are quick to throw around charges of racism or white privilege if a poster dares to state an opinion with which they disagree.
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Reports are that UVA vs VA TECH game postponed a week before it was supposed to happen due to COVID-19 issues. There should be no more argument about ODU's decision. Crystal clear now for those not wanting to see the light. Much kudos to ODU Management!
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That game is offically postponed.
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(09-12-2020 06:21 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  
(09-11-2020 06:22 PM)Nukesquad Wrote:  
(09-11-2020 11:46 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(09-11-2020 11:15 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(09-11-2020 10:33 AM)Grommet Wrote:  Saying 120 18-22 year olds speak with a unified hive-mind sounds fishy to me.

Do we have players who want to play this year regardless? I absolutely believe so
Do we have players who opted out and others who were poised to do so? I absolutely believe so.

Bingo.

Bingo.

And now we believe ODU admins are supressing Twitter to keep the athleses voices muted? What kind of nonsense do you believe in?

Absolutely no evidence of social media suppression at ODU. I would love to hear anything from this board to prove otherwise. The opinions of athletes is similar to that of general American citizens. Some believe they can/should play, and want to play. Other, don't feel that any mitigating strategy or "bubble" is enough to free them (and their loved ones) of risk. Taking everyone's personal/political beliefs out of the equation, THIS IS HOW THEY FEEL. In an age where we are trying to give student-athletes more of a voice (and "seat at the table") and "we should listen to how they feel", once they do then folks chime in to "pipe down." Just because we don't see a social media presence from ODU student-athletes (like Clemson/Trevor Lawrence), doesn't mean that they don't have those opinions or are as passionate towards those opinions.

This post makes two important points - - one of which is wrong and one of which is right.

On the more important point, you are absolutely right. ODU is a university first and only secondarily an athletic program. Unlike the NFL, NBA, MLB or any other professional sport, in which paying fans have a right to say “shut up and play, or else lose our interest”, the student athlete has every right, and in fact should be encouraged, to express his or her own opinion - - so long as the form of that expressed opinion does not involve intimidation, destruction or violence. We as fans do not have to show up to games or donate to the program, but we have no business telling a student athlete to “shut up and play”. Only the coaching staff can do that. And I hope that if they do so it is only in the least restrictive manner necessary.

Where I think you (and others) are wrong, Nukesquad, is in the overbroad statement that “there is no evidence of social media suppression at ODU”. I don’t believe that for a minute. The “cancel culture”, which is particularly rampant on the left, is I am sure just as pervasive at ODU as it is at any other large institution or organization. Do I have specific evidence of that? No, but only because I refuse to go looking for it. I nevertheless suspect that if you were to publicly state something critical about the BLM movement (just for one example) on the ODU campus or one of its sponsored boards, it would face immediate condemnation, and a severe backlash. We’ve got posters on this very forum (not Gilesfan, b.t.w., that’s an unfair charge by Ever) who are quick to throw around charges of racism or white privilege if a poster dares to state an opinion with which they disagree.

You make some good points. I have no idea Ever accused me of anything but thats not surprising. But, I'm not sure this relates to what Nuke said.

Posters (or a poster) believe that footballs players want to play and would be criticizing over twitter but ODU has controlled it.
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