(08-17-2020 08:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-17-2020 05:53 PM)UofMTigerTim Wrote:  Florida, North Carolina and Pennsylvania are the key.

If Trumps wins all of those it is over for Biden. If Biden wins one of those it will be hard for Trump to win.

Math is not your strong point.

If Trump carries everything he did last time except PA and nothing he didn't win, he still has 286 electoral votes.

The point, is if Trump doesn’t carry PA, then he’ll have a tough time winning the rust belt state of Michigan & Wisconsin... which he narrowly carried in 2016.

(08-17-2020 08:30 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(08-17-2020 08:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-17-2020 05:53 PM)UofMTigerTim Wrote:  Florida, North Carolina and Pennsylvania are the key.

If Trumps wins all of those it is over for Biden. If Biden wins one of those it will be hard for Trump to win.

Math is not your strong point.

If Trump carries everything he did last time except PA and nothing he didn't win, he still has 286 electoral votes.

The point, is if he doesn’t carry PA, then he’ll have a tough time winning the rust belt state of Michigan & Wisconsin... which he narrowly carried in 2016.

why AZ is so important...

It's kinda clear Biden a slight stutter and dyslexia. He's also 77...he's old so things that happened in 1975 probably feel like they happened 25-30 years ago when in reality it's far longer.

I don't think he's anymore senile than Ronnie in his second term.

(08-17-2020 09:26 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  It's kinda clear Biden a slight stutter and dyslexia. He's also 77...he's old so things that happened in 1975 probably feel like they happened 25-30 years ago when in reality it's far longer.

I don't think he's anymore senile than Ronnie in his second term.

Amazing, you know deep down he's got the mental acuity of a bag of hammers and you'll still vote for him.

(08-17-2020 09:50 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(08-17-2020 09:26 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  It's kinda clear Biden a slight stutter and dyslexia. He's also 77...he's old so things that happened in 1975 probably feel like they happened 25-30 years ago when in reality it's far longer.

I don't think he's anymore senile than Ronnie in his second term.

Amazing, you know deep down he's got the mental acuity of a bag of hammers and you'll still vote for him.

Says a lot about his opponent, doesn’t it?

(08-17-2020 09:52 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(08-17-2020 09:50 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(08-17-2020 09:26 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  It's kinda clear Biden a slight stutter and dyslexia. He's also 77...he's old so things that happened in 1975 probably feel like they happened 25-30 years ago when in reality it's far longer.

I don't think he's anymore senile than Ronnie in his second term.

Amazing, you know deep down he's got the mental acuity of a bag of hammers and you'll still vote for him.

Says a lot about his opponent, doesn’t it?

No.

I find it interesting as hell that liberals put stock in any polling after their 90+% chance to win in 2016. It’s one reason they still can’t come to grips with fact that Trump won against the odds.

I also think it’s interesting that liberals seem to forget the goings on since said election and the 4 year hissy fit they have thrown during that period. From day one. It’s still going on every day in the media and in the streets of our cities. Cities run by liberals. People see that.

To think that moderates and fence sitters don’t see that is pure nuts.
Liberals have killed their chances. And they dig that hole deeper by the hour. But they can’t see it, which is unreal. Turn on the tv. It’s everywhere.

The silent majority is going to brutalize the dem ticket. And, again, they won’t even know what hit them. And therein lies the deadly problem of the left. They’re so arrogant they just can’t see what they’ve done to themselves.

(08-17-2020 01:06 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(08-17-2020 12:22 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Its not that simple. (Besides 269 / 269 will still go to Trump.)

1. Biden has to has to hold on to states like MN, CO, NV, NM, NJ, NH and VA. All of those states are vulnerable.

2. Biden has to win back PA and MI, AND flip another state, while running the board on the above states.

Thats a lot of defending he has to do. Not easy when you are restricted to your basement.

an electoral tie goes to the House; and the Democrats control the House.

Dema do have the house, BUT the vote for president in the House would be 1 vote per state delegation.

Per this UVA review IF things go strictly by party lines the GOP has the advantage. GOP had the majority of Reps in 26 states. Dems have 23. PA is tied with 9 GOPers and 9 Dems and DC would not get a vote since they are not a state and thus don't have voting members of the House.

https://centerforpolitics.org/crystalbal...e-endures/

FL has a paper thin 1 vote majority for the GOP delegation and I could see psrty lines being crossed if Trump doesn't win there states justifying a delegation vote for him. But if a tie were to occur he would likely win FL anyways. OH, WI and NC are other states with a stronger GOP delagtion but would be hard pressed to vote for Trump if he lost their state popular vote. Of course all those states are must win too for the possibility of a tie

The Dems also have AZ by a 1 vote margin and the likely red state IA. They also have MI because of Justin Amash or else that would be a 7-7 tie. Of course in a tie Dems would vote against their state popular vote because the national popular vote would give them cover and Dems are less likely to buck party lines.

A tie would be far from ideal but Trump would have the advantage

(08-17-2020 08:30 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(08-17-2020 08:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-17-2020 05:53 PM)UofMTigerTim Wrote:  Florida, North Carolina and Pennsylvania are the key.

If Trumps wins all of those it is over for Biden. If Biden wins one of those it will be hard for Trump to win.

Math is not your strong point.

If Trump carries everything he did last time except PA and nothing he didn't win, he still has 286 electoral votes.

The point, is if Trump doesn’t carry PA, then he’ll have a tough time winning the rust belt state of Michigan & Wisconsin... which he narrowly carried in 2016.

Biden ain't flipping PA.

(08-17-2020 11:25 PM)450bench Wrote:  I find it interesting as hell that liberals put stock in any polling after their 90+% chance to win in 2016. It’s one reason they still can’t come to grips with fact that Trump won against the odds.

1) the polling said candidate A was going to get 2.9 million more votes than Candidate B...I totally understand them picking how they did.

2) I would say the Biden camp totally sees how Trump won and is focusing on PA, MI, WI, AZ, and Florida. That's a smart strategy.

3) Biden is far more likable than Clinton...hell, Kamala is more likable than her.

4) Biden won't give into name calling just to give Trump sound bites to use.

(08-18-2020 11:56 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-17-2020 11:25 PM)450bench Wrote:  I find it interesting as hell that liberals put stock in any polling after their 90+% chance to win in 2016. It’s one reason they still can’t come to grips with fact that Trump won against the odds.

1) the polling said candidate A was going to get 2.9 million more votes than Candidate B...I totally understand them picking how they did.

2) I would say the Biden camp totally sees how Trump won and is focusing on PA, MI, WI, AZ, and Florida. That's a smart strategy.

3) Biden is far more likable than Clinton...hell, Kamala is more likable than her.

4) Biden won't give into name calling just to give Trump sound bites to use.

1) Obama and Trump both energized a large portion of America in their first election.
2) Romney/Biden campaigns seem more focused on negatives of their opponent instead of what they can or will do for the country.
3) Biden picked Clinton 2.0 as his VP
4) Biden is incoherent for serious discussions lasting more than 30 seconds
5) Biden is not likeable like Obama was (I'll give Obama's overall persona is presidential even if I disagree with his policies or how he handled foreign leaders). Maybe more likeable than Clinton. I would say he is just not unlikeable because people feel bad for his health.
6) Your probably not even voting for Biden. Your probably not even voting for Kamala. Your voting for the DNC.
7) You need moderate votes to win elections

DNC flubbed on Bernie twice. He had a campaign that seemed to have energy like Obama and Trump. Oh well F socialism!

Biden was Mr Personality's VP...Obama made him 'Rayban Joe' drinkin' beer with the Prez and gettin' medals hung on his neck...moderates remember that.

and Clinton 2.0 as VP is far better than Clinton 1.0 as Prez.

(08-18-2020 11:56 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  2) I would say the Biden camp totally sees how Trump won and is focusing on PA, MI, WI, AZ, and Florida. That's a smart strategy.

I disagree

(08-18-2020 12:26 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Biden was Mr Personality's VP...Obama made him 'Rayban Joe' drinkin' beer with the Prez and gettin' medals hung on his neck...moderates remember that.

and Clinton 2.0 as VP is far better than Clinton 1.0 as Prez.

Yeah well we'll see if moderates care about drinking beer and eating ice cream or actual policy.

(08-18-2020 12:29 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 11:56 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  2) I would say the Biden camp totally sees how Trump won and is focusing on PA, MI, WI, AZ, and Florida. That's a smart strategy.

I disagree

Biden is so focused on WI that after the DNC decided to hold their convention there, Biden refuses to show up.

(08-18-2020 12:33 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 12:29 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 11:56 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  2) I would say the Biden camp totally sees how Trump won and is focusing on PA, MI, WI, AZ, and Florida. That's a smart strategy.

I disagree

Biden is so focused on WI that after the DNC decided to hold their convention there, Biden refuses to show up.

Where is Trump giving his acceptance speech?

Let me tell you what the ground game in PA has been thus far from Team Biden.. Remember Biden is a Scranton boy.

If you requested a BLM sign, they sent you a Biden sign as well.

I've see a few yards with the BLM signs and a Biden sign.. But I've seen more yards with just the BLM sign and the Biden sign in the trash heap.

For every Biden/BLM sign I've seen (meaning if it was a combo or one) I've seen 10 Trump yard signs/flags.

For every Prius with a D sticker, I'm seeing 4-5 trucks for Trump.

For every liberal professor here, I see 3 farmers...

Farmers ain't voting Joe... PA is a very rural state minus Pittsburgh and Philly.. Once you get out of those areas, it's pretty red.. But those areas are turning purple quick.

(08-18-2020 12:48 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 12:33 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 12:29 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 11:56 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  2) I would say the Biden camp totally sees how Trump won and is focusing on PA, MI, WI, AZ, and Florida. That's a smart strategy.

I disagree

Biden is so focused on WI that after the DNC decided to hold their convention there, Biden refuses to show up.

Where is Trump giving his acceptance speech?

Willing to bet the Oval Office.

Is Biden doing it in his basement or back yard?

(08-18-2020 12:48 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 12:33 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 12:29 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 11:56 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  2) I would say the Biden camp totally sees how Trump won and is focusing on PA, MI, WI, AZ, and Florida. That's a smart strategy.

I disagree

Biden is so focused on WI that after the DNC decided to hold their convention there, Biden refuses to show up.

Where is Trump giving his acceptance speech?

WHy dont you ask him. You;ll find him campaining in WIsconsin today.

(08-18-2020 12:48 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 12:33 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 12:29 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 11:56 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  2) I would say the Biden camp totally sees how Trump won and is focusing on PA, MI, WI, AZ, and Florida. That's a smart strategy.

I disagree

Biden is so focused on WI that after the DNC decided to hold their convention there, Biden refuses to show up.

Where is Trump giving his acceptance speech?

Wherever the hell he wants.